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Show 4324 Loper- D 2344 Q How long did you stay with the expedition? A I stated with it until they finished; that was in December. Q Did you make any more trips down to Lees Ferry? A When I got back on that trip I continued down that time; that was the las trip I ever made until this month. BY THE SPECIAL MASTER: Q Before we get off this particular place, did I understand you to say your greatest trouble was at Last Chance creek? A Yes sir. Q Is that at the Crossing of the Fathers? A No, that is the next big loop above the Crossing of the Fathers. THE SPECIAL MASTER: Have we any pictures of the Crossing of the Fathers? MR. BLACKMAR: Yes. BY THE SPECIAL MASTER: Q For the purpose of the record, I don't recall that any witness has described that place,-- What is the crossing of the Fathers? Is it a ford or do the banks come down low there? Just describe that, if you know. A The creek comes in from the west -- Q What creek? A It is Kane creek, comes in from the west; the point |