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Show 4171 McDonald- D 2191 along the sides under the running board; they would float if you tore the bottom out of one of them; with two thousand or three thousand pounds on the they would float, nine or ten inches high; that is the way they were. An old sea- captain came and looked at them at Waukegan, and said he wouldn't be afraid of anything with them boats, they were life boats. I told him we were going among rocks and sandbars -- THE SPECIAL MASTER: Strike that out. BY MR. BLACKMAR: Q Let's go on down from Crescent creek to Lees Ferry and compare it with your first trip through there. A It was a good deal like the first trip; we got on quite a few bars, we got on quite a few rocks, and at Bull Frog rapid we had to lighten the boat up, because we had to work her through the rocks; we couldn't go in where the big boulders were and run her -- none of the boats -- without fear of losing them. We worked them through the rocks close in shore, just worked through and portaged the stuff across, so they would be as light as possible to handle. Outside of that we got on to quite a few bars. When we come to that flat where that ledge runs across the river there, we ran on to that before we thought of it. It is |