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Show 664 " Q. You did see then in a number of places where there were no evidences, so far as you observed, of a path or other way up to the rim? " A. No, I don't think we did; I think there were always places where they could get out; that is my recollection; you would find these hand- holds, remnants of the hand- holds and foot- holds. " Q. In some places you have found such things? " A. Well, almost invariably where you find the ruins. " Q. You any there are some places where it had been washed away? " A. Not entirely washed away; you couldn't use them, but you would see the evidences of these hand- holds; sometimes you could use them, and sometimes you couldn't." R. 1594- 1595. ( Attention called to Photographs No. 59 and 60 - Exhibit No. 77) Further Examination: ( R. Vol. 9 pp. 1595- 1596). " BY THE SPECIAL MASTER: " Q. Just one other question. Did you have any map or survey of the Green river and the Colorado when you took this trip? " A. No. The way that happened was -- |