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Show I TERVIEW: Cuellar Page 24 seems like one of the requirements be that they have the ability to move around, the ability to be able to afford a telephone or station wagon. And most of the leaders that were mentioned were either self-supporting like Dr. Garcia or like Judge Hernandez, paid civicly or in something that is considered to be a little more objective, than just being paid by the federal government. Is there, do you think that, then there is also I remember a claim made during '60 - 1964 - '65 when OEO was getting started, a claim by certain Chicano leaders from different parts of Texas, that had they, they were doing the best they could under their own personal circumstances and the federal government, leading up to the question if the federal government could provide some sort of backing to enable them to do their work, perhaps the concept of the CAP program trying to involve the grassroots, and that their efforts in orga~izing would increase. I'm wondering if that really happened or did it hurt or did things rem9in the same? RC: No, they had not remained the same. Absolutely not! Now, whether the input of the federal government has helped or not. I think overall you might say that it has. It would be pretty hard to prove it or disprove it either way. But first of all, let me say this: historically speaking, the leaders that have come up in the area of social reform, in support of the poor, |