Spanish speaking peoples in Utah, oral histories: book 13, numbers 135 through 146

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INTERVIEW: Lujan Page 30 DL: This must have been in 1968, '67. This was when this Chicano activist were just starting out, when it was the thing to do was to disrupt ... sensitivity studies they called it. Of course, many of us that had been used to the form of debate that we were as union officials we figured that you could say your say and then we would come back at you with our say in a rather disciplined method. When then was no recourse you would take other methods if necessary, but what we seen here is to try to win by disruption, sort of speak, and ... to use people that had absolutely no education for their own end and means, was contrary to, at least my thinking, and I proceeded to tell them so and actually advocated many of the cases thatthese fellows had grown to the point that .•. ! remember one case l$ked this friend, I said it is fine for you to make all this noise now, but who is going to take care of these fellows this summer when you go home. In my opinion most of these fellows, they were doing it as past time, rather than being seriously involved in helping people, they might have made them feel good but, one thing in that we had learned over the years was .•. the very poor have enough problems of their own without somebody exploited them for the sake of themselves. There are so many people out there exploiting them, not because they want to help them, but because they want to use them for a purpose. This is how you start many of those OEO program, use for the lack of a better term, these