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Show Simon Frank 6-28 p.ll December and she was--to visit my sister for the holidays and she was home only due to the fact that she was at school in New york and her father died. This was in 1925. Otherwise, I mean, when you consider all of the things that had had to happen for me to even meet her. So, as I say, if your a fatalist like I am, believe in fate, that's one of the convincing arguments. My son, mu older boy, the one on your right, who's very very bright. He was graduated from Hodgkes, and Yale and Stanford Business School, MBA. Stanford he was 3rd in his class. I think, at Yale he was 13. And Hodgkiss he wnly went two years. He~pent the firt two years here in high school. And they --the headmaster at Hodg. who was very prominent in the world of education, at the graduation exe rcise, y came to me and $t said that the most important award, the name of which I've forgotten, he said would have been Fred's except for the fact~~' J \ .,_ ~ for another young man who has--whose credentials were equally ~' but he had been there 4 years and Fred had only been there two, so he gave it to the other young man. I/ But I felt just telling me that was very very nice. LF You made a statement about kids being prim and proper .... SF In my day in highschool, we'd go to each other's home and our parents would $-efia chaperone LF For dinner, did you go for dinner. SF Rarely for dinner. Evenings, you know. Friday evening or ~aturday night, whatever. And I --don;t even ask me what we did. I've forgotten. But as I say, we were very prim and proper and the parents were always there to chaperone. LF Played games .. SF I'm sure we did. I rememeber playin~ost office when I was 7. And that was a great wild, experience Great girl too, who had the party. Birthday party. LF Was she a jewish girl. SFN No, no. I never went with --other than Joe Rosenblatt is the only jwish person I ever went it with in Salt Lake, Urn. Until we were married. And then we went with a Jewish group. No, my exprience w:as completely wi_~~hrist_ ~~~_:_~ -CiliA growing up. - - ------- w· h LF Was there any coming together of kids, maybe after services/ tfie synagogue ... the place to meet ... SF As kids, the only thing I remember in going to sunday school--and I was confirmed also at the age of 12 instead of 13 then I guess, or 14)then subsequently it became sixteen before they confirmed children. But I never had any friends in Sunday School. that. Nor did we remain -- we have very few close friends from LF Did you go regularly to services when you were growing up. SF Oh no, after I was confirmed? No, hardly at allJbut then when I got married, I toldyou we did 1because |