Political text-book for 1860 : comprising a brief view of presidential nominations and elections, including all the national platforms ever yet adopted ... with the most notable speeches and letters of Messrs. Lincoln, Douglas, Bell, Cass, Seward, Everett, Breckinridge, H.V. Johnson, etc., etc., touching the questions of the day : and returns of all presidential elections since 1836

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180 .A. rOLITICAL TEXT-IJOOK iOR lSGO. lngly g~ad to s~e Slavery 1~bolished in the District or bdicv . Ool.umllla. I believe that Congress po:s::!esscs the COJJSti- C e, ~hat thos~ rc:~olutJOil3 were n ever p s 1 . tutJO:Jal p ower to abolish it. Yet a~ a mcnJbcr of Co onvcutloH helu Ill Springflclcl. It turns a.~e, In auy grc>~r~, I should not, with my prc~e;lt view be in favor ~f were. uever pa~sed at any Convention ~>.u that they lln/fe"vorill(J to a.boli~h Slavery in the Vil!trict of Co- ~nee.tl.ug that llll~cl lillY part in. I bt:lievc i~ t a J.'Y public luul iJla, uule~s it would be upon these condition~ . . l!''J• ·t .tddaCou to nil tills, that then:: was not iu tl • ~1\11' nut In that the abolition shoulu btl gradual Seoond. th~tt ~~~~Y onventlon h olding a session at·~ )1' . Jc .''I of 1 54, ~h<t..ald l>e on a vote of the majority of.qualiOeJ ;otei:S 1.1 at:;elf a Republican State Convention. ~cit '1.';~-~"held callin~ tl • " ' 1 •·• • 1 T.'' · ,, 11 was 11 Conv •u' · 1 te v i~ l l<l ! 301 ti~t'u-, that COiliJlellSation should ue . e oiO~, or assemblage of ·m' en • ~~I t. rut tl Jt.r c Iliad .: l<liiii ii'IJiaug owner~. With the:;c three condition~ I selves ~ Convention, at ~pl'ingfield that d~~ hug thcnJ· confrs.; ~ would be cx «eedingly glad lo see Con ,: ~~ ~~~ol.ut wns. llut so little uicl l rcl;ll knol' pa~s Mma Hhol•~h ;,lavery in t.lu: Di~trkt uf Columbia, nn<.l ilf t~;~ ~.;ccdaugs of that Convention, or wlm{sct o~ u.f, the pru­L• Il!{uage of ll t:nry Clay, .. sweep from our Capital th t I th ·y had passed, lhou~h having a gcner· I ~csolulJOIJ~ roul blot upon our nation." u tnut there hac! been such an ns , 11 . ' 1 nowlc1l~c I liLa~n r egard to tile fifth intcrrogat o l·y, I mus t S'l I • . that when J ullge Dougl:lt~ reau' ;~~~~ ~ ~~p;e or men th~l't, as IO th..: qucstiou o f the ai.Julitiuu of thc.sl;;~.:.t~.~~~: d ill n ot. know l>ut they h ad been the ~·.~I ~IIIC.lll~, I really ltctwcl'll the <lilfcreut States, I can trul ILIISWt:r aa·< e t.hen awd there. I <.lid n ot question thllt~~:. uta~J~l·S· )>a~sctl lmv.e, that r. a.m plecl{Jed to IIOthing :t~out it '1t .il I sol~ttaon~ ndop ted. .!<'or I could n ot brin Y ".:lc the rc· Mth; cct Lu wtuch l have not given that. llli<Lu rc c~u ·i .'~ a. pos~ that Judge Doup;las couhl sa wh·t g UJy~clf to sup. I lOll tiiiJt wo uld make me feel authorized to ~tate~ dl~::: suh;ect without knotrH'n(J that it ;'vntl ~,\:~e dad upon th li twu o a:; to h old myself entirely hound I.Jy it I ltl , mysel f, on that occa sion with tlcnyi " . . I l .cnutcntell word:;, th;tt question has never beeu JH'omine~tl n o Jcr all cuntlectlon with th~m n ot dell"! .ts tluly could, hefore me to induce me to invc~tigate w!Jether :.ec~o~g 1 whe ther they were passed 'at lrin !J\'/g o:· ullirmlng ha.ve the cons titutional}JOwer IIJ uo it 1 coull . ~ally out that he ha<l vot h nld or solllle g e II.. Now it turn~ t f 11 .• 1 . . . · 1 Investigate C . " reso nllons . " d I I lllu sul .tcaent time, to bring 111y~clf to a conclu ·i li~me onventwn o r public meeting in t{ · , ·c p.t~~e ut up on th;tt. s uhJ t!Ct i but 1 have not done so nnd I s·a :s o.n WI II .to say here, t bat I <.lon't concci v .ule . uun ty. I trunkly to y ou l.lere, and ao .lud~e l>•>uglas: 1mus~ ~at!O ~~ncl ;ust mind this d i,.;covery relieves ~llt.ha~ Jt~lany fuir lwwcvcr, tllat If I ~hould he of opanion that C t . ~· JUSt ns much to do with the Conveu'io e a. II . 1 hall docs pn~scss the cou:<titntiona l )lower to al ~ uglc~~ ILS tha.t at Springll •ld. l ;un ·ust· • n In •h.;wc .County Rlave· trade 111110ng the dllJ'creut 'a at cs I shoul~~~.'tl;l the t!Je resolutio ns at I{ane Cou;ltv -~~ ~\IUL~ ~tsp~lll!.Jblt. ft•r be Ill favor of the cx eJ cise uf tllllt :ower tllJ ~ I not tl.le amount of the r esp onsibilia • b, .~ ,'ose ~Lt .~prln.ghcld, ~wnJu. con~er.vative prin t:iplc as 1 conce~ve lt. aki:~~~ ~)~~~ e athl'r ca se : no tnorc than tlaca~e '~~~~7 t~a~tl:r.I.Jotl.llllg lu ~'+Ia I.e ::.aul an r elation to tla: a bolition o f Slaver . v:;: set of r csoluLions p assel! in Lhe mou I J..: llllcguau to a UJs ara ct of Columbia. Y 10 e I allude to this extraonlinar ~i, .. :til~ an:>~l'er as to wlt ethe l· l cleRire thnt Slaver shoul!l for some further purpose tlaa~t ~~~~'t'~a\~.~. ~~~ .tl•~s cun~ass IJc Jll'llllbatcd In ~Lil tltc 'l'urito rics of the Unit J St Juu.ge Dougla~ did not mt~ ke his styt~ g .} ct .LtlvanceJ. ~~ l ull u lid explicit within itself and cannot \e at~s, cas JOn a:; matters that he belic~',t~H;ult upon that OC· clcara l>y 1\rJy comlllents or· mlne S I ma . e stated theru round! as b . , t: . o lc tnat:, t)ut hu rc~.Lr<.lto the question whether r am o.ppos~d tos~~~~~~~? pledge his veracit/ for tl~~~~Cl f:.~,t~' 111 -\~~~ell fo;-m AS to ::. at•on of II.IIY more te rritory unless Slaver . 11 . . a- matter turns out us i't d ocs . lt'O t Je who!~ ~~i~)J( ;~ t h~rem '.my an~.wcr i~ sucla that I Jo~~d t~~~ p~~: Judge ~ouglas is-that he i:;' ~~~Jis~::~ge~~~~e fll~~ldcr who nng >y w.Ly oftllustra.taon, or making m selfb t the United States-that he h · . Jet euator or st~>d, t.ha.u 11 the. answer which I ha vc pl;ced i~ ~:t:i~~~er- years ns such-that his clulract~~ i~~::,~~~1t1~\1 \1 Y 1~w1dn ll\1' Ill a tins, the Jutlg~:~ hn.s me a.nu he has m . an ordinary Seuator o f the Un't ' ' am el as t.he /;cconl. I . suppose he ll ;ul flatter~d h imself that lew~~ name has become of world-wiu~ ~~no~~~e~~tb.ut thut his :,~1~t~e~n!~~l1~~i~~~t~~~:et1~~e opi 1 nions for one place aud ~ro~O:~t~~;~~ ~llat he s h ou ld so far for~et~ll~~~~~~~!g: :•t one plltce what I utter~d at ~~~~eir Wl\~tf~aiiu to say self, as [o v~n~t~~e a:Jl~~~~r~ary, o~ of prudcnce to him. ug here I suppose Is· • . m am say- sli It, t . . e a sgertaon of tlmt which tht Lending to Abolitionisn~Ya!oaallYv~st .• ~udaen.ce as strongly fa!~~ eEl, lcunvestiglata on would have shown hilnto be wholl, Ill ' · .lUul cnce Ill tlac State f • n ou Y accouut foa· }1' h· · • 1 00 ~~~~~~;sf~~~ t~ ~~~~c~>~r~:~~~~ ~~~~it:~ th;H wh~ch, if it '.vou~d ~~~~ s~;~~~~~sltio~ til. a~ th.a~ evil ge~:~us :~:~~11 \~~~~c ~~~c~[;~~ lllysclf, would be olll:n ·i ve to perso~:~di~ t;';cm ~.nenue:; to lng prosp!~:t~ass~~~· glva;gl to 111111 an appan:nt a stonish· f LIOIV proceed to JII'OpOUild tO h IS !lU( .ICDCC. doubt tJ • '· I llS 0 ea.tl very many good men tO Wnes, so far ·ts I laav" ft·" II I \,tie J udgc the lllterroga.. sAy I c '•et e llJe lllg any ad v;mtagc in virtue over vice-1 Wl~rd a n ew in• stallmeuv t wh..e 1n e t1 geaet 1nri ae I w.~' l. l Ib l.i· ng t·o :- e"v il gen:.inu solJnU ys aact cI·o unt f ot· I· t or~ the~uppo~it ion that that bnng th em forward 110 \Y o nly I' .. ·I . , m I e:u y. I will And I o\St maue up ItS lllllld to for::~ake him. 'l'he fir~t one is. , c.L~.; ltlag to nuual>cr· four. of tl J d may add th:tt another e xtrao rd inary feature • ae u ge's conduct· u · Qnesaion 1 If the c • ord inar b . . . 111 113 ca nvas:~-nntde tJJ(li'C extra· llrt'ly unobjc·caionabl!h~~~r o?tc~>;?sns shall, by means en· almost~~~ ftl this l~lca:lent-is, that he is in l ht: habit, In l!lltudon, and ll.!lk admission into t~~yec~~~· adopL ~State <J~HI- upon h is f e~eec!~es he makes, o f charging falsehood ~~~rt/~tvtlli:.~~~~~s:~ro~~~~~~~e0\l;~1:~~~~;~~~ .~f~~~c/·ui~~g ~~~~: ~~~e1 tl~cr l~e nts ":~r:~~c~~~~~~~e~n;~~:~~~ti11~~~· Ju~~~0 ~[.r~~~~ a ,tmlt them t " you vote to u , .or m~tancc, has Rltid or 1·n . 11 tl · tl t ·1 h Q. '1.. <Jnu the e 1 , said n. ·ustifi .. · . ' • .t Y n11g lit dYe lawftll way ngflu~f ~h~f '~I pnl~~d Slat~~ Territory, In any this 'ins~ance cttiO~: .tt nll compared with what we have, lu Ht;ntes, ex<·ll;de 1'\I:Lvcry from j 1 1 f. ttny citizen of the United • or JUt ~ort. o r vulgarity. ot a ~tate (Jouslltut lo11 t 11 units prior to the furmation Q. 3. If the ~upreme Court of til U l Uul.t ::!ta les cannot exclude Slal' . . cf· n ted Stales shall tlecide lo fa1·or of acquleRcin lu a. crY 1,0~11 th<:lr llntlls, are you CUllun as a r ule of pollt~al act?~~~i.Jig ,\lid lullowlng such de· dll>(.!l'.c 4g.n rAdr oc f yhoouw lsuu fca.l1l •oa.rc oquf i;~qu i r 1n g ad.tlillonal trnllOJ·y, In Sl.arery (luesl.ion y 0 11 may nfl ccl lhc uallou ou tile A.11 introuuetory to these int r , . Douglas propounded to me at 0 e/o~aton es which Judge solutio n:~ which he said Jud , ~ .aw,t, he read a et of r c­J• llrticipated in adopting ~~ j1ru1 ~~~~11 1 11 nd my~elf harl Oou ventaon, held nt Spt~ingfieluc . I s~ . t epubllcH_u Sta te insisted that I anu Jud re " I Ill c tobcr, ISM. He enUre ltcpublica.n party g Irua~a~ull, aud p erhaps the tnnes contained in the .,;e~ :~r~e~~~~JtfusllJieh~or the doc­and I understand that it 0118 w ach he r ead thaL he d educed the inter;o~!lu.[~~i~~ tllf~ ~e~ of resolution~ to me, using these re~:~oluti oa w liC 1 le Jlropounded }Jropoundlug tJlose questious ~oa~, a ao~t of authoril.y for tln~ thn.tl do not an~wcr his i . e . ow I say here to­lh ~ar springing at all from tha.t'~~etri~atorlea b ecause of r.e•ttl. I a.nl:)wered them b , o I esolutlons which he tiL Lo a sk them. I do not e~a.use Judge Douglas thought 1WY responsibility u 00 01 ow, ~or never <.lid, recognise Wlu~u 1 replied to l~m ou'~~~lft In tha.t set of resolutions. tliu t r n ever had an th' a occasiOn, I assured him Jrcre t.o-day, that I ne~erwi~ to do with them. I repeat IJ.~tug Lo do with Ulat eeL, C any posilble form, had any-o reiolut\ona. IL 'urna out, I ~11~. DOU ~LA REPLY. urJo. . AD1I It\ S A.N D .0 F· N1'Ll'.''al l••'•"• '.• I am gI ad that at last I have defi~~~ ;ti:la . 1:1 ~1Co lu to th ~ con~l~~:~ion that he had better ca.lle<.l hi~:~ ~~tt1 ~ 11 on cerl am polttacal q uc~t ion~ to which I sition n . e.ntiO.u at Ottawa. lie there 11h011 eel no llispo· idle • ,0 !u c llll a.tw~l, to auswer th eau. I die! not prc~en\ t . 1 qu 1 es 1 h ?118 for lum to Ulli:)Wer merely fur 'llY gratitica-on . tuu the fo ·' · · 1 • unu.ltw n for tho~c iut<·ITOg'tlor:es by s 10 w1ng that th . · • · · • h , cy co n ~>tatut ed the platform o f the !>arty twh aots Ie h naodm tlll lee. h e I·: :! f or t 11 e "o cnate. I du. l u ot prlll!llOlA 1 sl d tl 10 riJ;ht to catechise him as I saw p roper unless plu.~~~~·~n a 1 ~t Ius. p :u·ty, 01· a 111aj ority of' it, stood uJlOll the m . n wet e 111 favor uf the pro posit ionH upou whlcb . y qucStiOilll were uaseu. I d e:;iretl slmnly to know ~~~sm~~~~ as he ha.d been nominated as the ti r.:;t, last, and plaiform ac~ . 0~ Ins party, whether h e con curred In the t 1 w lac that party had adopted for itt~ govern· men · n a few moments I will proceed to review tbe 1 answders which h e has given to these Interrogatories· but :h?~h ~ t~ relieve his anxiety I will first r espond to haes~ se t c as presented to me. l\Iark you he has not pre· tlonn e~ ~~~errogatories which have ever rdcelved thesano­ha 0 e party with which I am acting and hence be ;1~9~ 0 1 theJ f~undat.ion for them than lli11 'own curiosity. form 'ole 03 1 ares to know If the people o! KausiiS shall a onst tution by means entirely proper and unob· MR DOUGLAS' HErLY. 1:n jectiona.hle and a.~k a.dmlllslon into the Union as n State, before they have the requisite p opula tion fo r n member ofOongrC$~ wheth<'r I will vote fo r that admission . \\' e ll now L reg;ct ex ceedin gly tllnt he did not answer tha t \nte;rogator.v himself hcforc he put it to me, in order that we might· untlcr::~tantl, ancl not be left to infer on 11 hich side he is. Mr. 'J'rumliull, during the ln.t~t se slon o f congrc~s, voted fr0111 the begin ning to the end against the ,.dllli~sion of Oregon, although a free !'-lta.te, becnn~c: Klic lutd not the requi:~it e population for <t lllCtlllH'l' of Con­~ rC$S. Mr. 'L'rumhull would not consent, uradcr any ·i r­cumstance~, to let a Stale, free or slave, come 1lllO the Union until it ha<l the requisite population . As f>l r. 'l'rumbull ls in the 6cltl, fi gh ting for 1\lr. l..inculn, I woultl like to have Mr. Lincoln nnHwer his own question and t ·ll me whet her he i~ figh ting 'J'ruml> u ll on t lin t isHuc or not. llut I will answer !Jis ftuest ion. J n refe r ence to I< :t11sns, \L Is my opinion , that us shu h a.s p o pula.t ion enough to .:onstltute It slave ::;t:tt e, she has p eoplu enough foa· tt l1'1 ee State. J will not make Kansas an exceptionable ca~e to t.hc other ~tates o f the Uulo n . l h o ld it to be a t~ouud rule of universal applica t ion to rcquil·c a 'l'erritory to <:onl!dn the r r qnisitc p opulation for a mcOJbcr o f Con­gre~ s, heforc It is n.dmitte<l as a tate into the u ion. 1 made that proposition in the Senate in 1 5G, and 1 renew­ed it during the last se8sion , in a. bill providing that no Territory of the United ' t a.tcs l:lhould form a. Uoo~:;titutlon and a.pply for admi~s i o n until It l1ad the requisite p opu­latio n. On another occasion I proposed th a t n e ither Kansas, or any other Territory, ~ho uld be admitted uutil po~ccl tllat h ~ wouhl be ashamed to p re6s that ()\..• '-linn furth er. li e 18 11 lawyer, ILIHI ha~ h ·en a member of C'•HJ gr(•ss, 11ntl hat~ occuph:ll his lime lllltl nmuRc<l) ou \1y t t·ll· lng you al>out parliamentary p rocce1lin r~. li e ou,:l:t tn llav<: known !Jetter th an to try to t>alna uiT his 1nis1 rul.Jr.· li~po~lt i on:~ upon tills intelligent audkncc·. The ~C'l1 r ;u·l,a h1ll l'rovid~tl that tile legblativc pov• ea· UIJII authori ty nf tl,t· !>aid Territory slaould e:x tcntl to all rightful ~uhj• 1 1~ < 1 lcl'blation, conHh;tcnt with the org~n lc act anti the: Con~ti tulion of the l'nitcd ~ late~. 1t did not make Hll,Y l' :>. r·• pt:1111 ltR to , lave1·y, hut gave all th(' power tha t it wa~ 1 <•,~I Illi' for Cnngr l'HK to gil·c, without violati.og the ('on~\itn t i c. t J to th • Territoriall .. c(.(i~lature, with 110 C.\t't.:)ltion or lill ·itHt'ioll on the ~uhj ect of ~lav t· ry at ad!. '1'\Je la t J~u a •· c nf 111al 1,111 which l have quott•tl, gave the full power an~l tl1c full :111- thority over the suhj ·ct of f:lavcry, ullirmatil·l'l) a utl 111·­gat I vely, to introduce Jt or t• :xclutlc it, so fur n:, t ht· Coa•H it~a ­t ion of tile l 'nitcci f\latt·s would permit. What JJllll'l' t ould Mr. Chal:)e give hy hiH ame1Hhncut '? 1\olhln~. li t• oll'en.: rl liis n.me n dmt~ nt for the lei •nlical Jllll'JH>He for w!.it'h ~I r. Lin colo is u~ing il, to t•nal>le <lemagogucl:l in the couul rv to try llnd deceive the J>copl<'. · II is amcudment was to this ciTt•ct. It pro>i<leri tl1at the Legislature ~!Jould lHt\·e tlic power to e:xclu·le '-lavu·j : and (lt:ne ral Ca~s suggl·~tcd," \1 hy not give t1JC.' power to lntrodurc as well as e:xcluclc '!" The> answ r wa , thl'y ha 1 c· the power already In the hill to do hoth. Chase 11':1" afraid his amen dment would be auloptt·tl if ltc put the altl•mutive pr opo~ition and so 111:1kc it fulr holla "a)~. hut 11 oultl not yield. He ofi'l: re cl it for the purpo~c of h;tvlng it n ·j t ctecl. lie oiTerc<l it, as he ln1::1 hirm;df ll\ oweci o\·cr anti 01 n again, silnply to make capital out of it for Uw ~t\1111]1. lie expected tlmt it woultl be capital for s111all politican~ in the country, and that they woultln1ake nn etrort to dPct'ivc the people with it ; anti he If as not miRtakl'n, for ],in coin is can·ylng out tlie plan :ldllllr;tiJly. Lincoln kuowH thnt the Nebraska hill, without Cliast•'s atnt•aHimcnt, gil\'(: 11 11 the power which the Con~titut io n would JH' rmit. Could Cou­r-: rcss confer any more? Coulcl Con~ress ~o IJeynnd U1e Constitution o f the country? \\' t• ga1·e all a full f: rnnt. with no e:xcept iol1 in n·gard to. lavery one way or the other. " 'e le ft that question, as 11 e left all other:<, to IJc de­cidccl by the p eople for tlacmHeh·ts, juf(t ns they plc:aRed. 1 will not occupy my time >n thi~ qtll'~tion. I ha \'e argued it hutllhe re(Juisite population. Congress did not adopt tUIY of my propositions containing this general ru le, but ;lid make an exception of Ka.nsas. I will stand by tbat 'xccption. J•:ither K ansas must come in ns a l<'ree State, 11•ith whatever popula ti on sh e may have, or th e rule must JC a.p plletl to all the other t e rritories a like. I t h e refore &nswer at once, that It having been decided tha t Ka nsas has people enough for n. Slave tale, 1 h old that she has enough for a l<' ree Rtute. I h ope Mr. Lincoln is satisfier! with my an ·wer; 11 nd n ow I would like to J:;et his answer to his own Interrogatory-wh eth e r or not he will vote to admit K ans:t~ befor e· sh e has t he r e quisite popu lation . I want to know whcth~ h e will v ote to admit Oregon before that 'l'erritory has the requi itc population. 1\l r. i'rurnbull will not, and the same rl!ason that commits Mr. Trumbull ;tp;ainst. the admission o f Oregon , commits him 1\ga.inst 1\a.nsas, eveu if she should apply for admission as a ~·ree ~t.atc. H th ere is any sincerity, any truth, in the ar~umcnt o f 1\fr. 'l'ruml>ull in the Sen ate, a gainst the admissaon of Oregon bcc:wse she had n ot 98,4~0 p eople, although he a· population w:H! larger than tha t cf l( a nsas, he stand:~ pledged a g;tin st the admission o f boU1 Oregon ~nd K ansn~; until tllcy have 98,4~0 inhabitants. I woulu li~e ~Ia·. Lincoiu to a nswer th is question. 1 would like hun to l :1ke h i!! own m edicine. lf h e ultrcrs with f>l r. 'l:rumbull let him answer his argument against the r.dmis­Sion of Oregon, instead o f poking q uestions H.t me. it before nil o ,·ct·lliinois. l ha,·e :argm·1l it in t!.ls hc:aut.i­ful cit.y of Free]>Ort; l li:\\ c argnttl it in the 1'\orth, thu 'outh, the ~:ast, anti the \\'est, avowing the satnc !:! ·nti­menl! and the same principle!!. l liavc not been afra~d to avow my scntlmen t::; up here for fL'ar 1 wJtdtl he trdiecl down into .I<;I!'Y J>t. 'l'he third ~ucstioo which ~t r. U ncol11 pre~cntecl i~, if the Supreme Court of the \ ' nitl'tl!'lates ~hall decide that 11 ~tatt' of thi~ Union cannot cxclucle ... l:tvtry from It~ 011 n limit~, wlll 1 submit to it ? 1 a an am:tzl•tl t hr~t Lincoln shoulrl H!:'k such a. question. (" A Hchool·h oy knows hl'llcr.") y ,.~, a school-hoy does know lwttcr.) 1\l r. Lincoln's ol •j,·ct is to cast nu imllutation upon the flupreme Court. lie \..nows th at. there never was but one man in .America, claiming any ckgrec of Intelligence .or dt'('CI~cy, who ever for a. tnv­mcnt pretended such a. thing. It IS trnc tLat !he" asl•· !ngton Cni on In an art ide puhl\:,hHl on the I tth of lu~t December dhi put forth that doctrine, aud 1 dcnnuntt>ll the artie!~ on the floor of the l' t nate, In a ~pe1·..:h 11 hkh Mr. Lincoln n ow pn·tcncls was ngain~t the J'rc~ilk t.ll. The Cnion had claimed that ~lavery ha ti 11 ri~ht to go w­to the free StaleH, nn<l that any provL~ion in the C'onl-litu­tion or latws of the l<'rcu !'LatcH to the contrary w~:rc null and void. I dc uouncetl it In the Scnatte. as I said hcfon•, n.nd 1 w,\!:1 the tirst mnn who did. Lincoln's frit·ntl~, '!'rum­hull and Sewar<l and llalc, and Wil!~on, and the whole Hltt~ k Hepuhlican' side of the ~tnatc, were silent. The.> left It to 1nc to denounce lt . .A nti what was the r .:ply mudc lo m ·on thatt occa ·ion ? f>lr. ToomhH, of Georghr, ~Ill up and unde rtook to lecture me ou the ~round that 1 ou j!ht not to Ita ve deemed the 11 r ticle worthy of noticr, a ncl (IUJ!ht •wt to have r epli ed to it; that tht•rc was not one n.a n~ wu· man, or child !'onth of thl' l'otomar, in .any ~lnl'e .l:'tat ·, who did not repudiate an~ :;uc:h prct enston. 1\lr. J.mcol11 knows th;tt that r<•ply was muilc on the ~pot, ami ~:tt now he asks this c\u estion. lie mil(ht all well ask m,e, i'~appo~e 1\lr. Lincoln s JOUlll ~h·al a hor~<C, would T J>!ltlCtwn 11 ; 1111d it would he as genteel in me to u8k h.im, it: the l'Vt'llt he stol • 1\ horse, what ought to be done w1th lum. lie .l·:n·ls 1111 imputat ion upon the ~upretliC C?urt of the, llll,ltd States, by 8upposiu J! that tlH'Y woul.d n olotc the l on.~t al •.•­tion o f the rnite1J f'tatt•H. J tell h Ull lh:\t HUCh a lhlll!! I~ not p ossible. lt would he un act of moral trct1Ho11 ll.tat uo m!ln 011 011 the b ench could cv ·r dcscen<l. to. 1\l r. Lmcoi11 hhnself wou lrl nc,·cr, In !JIR partl.snn fcchn~s, so far for~~oct what w~s riJ!Ilt as to he J!UIIty of such an a ct. 'J'he next. quc~tion prop ounded to me hy J\lr. Uncoln il'l, can t1.1c people of the 'l'erritory in any bwful way, n~aln~t •.he waHhe~ of any citi'l:en of the Pn.itcd l:'tatcs, e xclude ~la.\'Cry from their limits prior to the formation of I\ St :tte oon~lltut.ion? 1 answer emphatically, a.s Mr. J ,lncoln has tle~r~ me anl'lwer a hunrlr ed timl!s from e\·cry stum p in IlhnoL~, that In my opinion the p eople of a 'territory can , hy lawful ml·.am;, exclude ~lavery from their limits p rior to the fol'llwtaon of a St;tte coustitution . Mr. l-Incoln knew that lli:td un!!werctl th:tt question ov~'r and over a.gltin. lie heard rne argue the Nebraska b ila \111 .that principle 1tll over the f-\tate iul M, in 18M, and in 180G; anu he has no excuse for pretcntUng to IJe io d oubt as to my position on ',hat question. It m n,tters not what way the Supreme Court may hcr e:tfter decide as to the abstrac t qu estion ';hcthcr Rlavery may o r may not go into a Territory un­der the Constitu t.ion; t he p eople have the hLwful means to llltroducc It or exclude it as they please, for the r e ason LhH.t Slavery cannot exist a tla.y or an hour anywhere, unl~ss it I<~ supported by local poilce r egulations. 'J'ho:c~e J'Ohcc r egulations can ouly be estal>lish<:d l>Y the local le~lslature; tmd If the p eople arc opposed to Sill very they w~l elect r cpre:;eutati vcs to that IJody who ''ill hy un­fnendly l<'!ll:;lation etrl'Ctua.lly prevent the iutroductlon of It into their mltlst.. If on the ~.;ontmry they ttre for It their 1\'l{blat ion will fa~or itil cxtensiou. ' li e nee no rnat~ ter wha t the <leci~ion of the Supreme Court m'ay be on Lhat uhstmct question, !It ill t he ril'ht of the people Lo make a t!lave Territory or ~~free 'l'c r ritory iH p e rfect and com­plete untlcr the N ehmska hill. I h ope Mr. Uutolu deems Uly IU1~Wt'r ~ath<f;Lcl OI')' 0 11 that p 0i11t. , In tiJI~ c:ntmect.inn, l will notice the cliiH~C which !1e Ia as llltrNlnc!'ll in rl'lali<tn to Mr. Chase'!! amendmcut. 1 tllou.:ht that I had cha sed Un1.t tu ne nclll1t'lll out of Mr. l..~uc.nlu'H. ltn.tln at Ottawa; !Jut it seem.,; that ~;till haunU! IUs unagumllon, and l.le b not y et ~ati..sfied. I had sup- 'l'he fourtll c1 ucst lon of Mr. J.in co~ n 1~, a re you In favrr o f a cquiring additional t erritory, Ill .clsr cgard as,}o how such acquisition muy a!f11ct the Uu10n :>u the -.lavery