John E. Osguthorpe, Salt Lake City, Utah: an interview by Becky B. Lloyd, June 24, 2004: Saving the Legacy tape no. 667

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JOHN E. 0 GUTHORPE JU 24 2004 would say 'we ' or I d give credit to somebody else. The government even though I had that much money, never knew what I was doing. My boss, Herbert Waters, had been th administrative assistant to Hubert Humphrey, when he was a congressman. He was now my boss in Washington. He said, "John, don't make a mistake because I can't help you." He said, "You are so far advanced in this work, I don't even understand what you are doing." He said, "Never make a mistake. If you do, I can't protect you." So I went celibate. Though I had many acquaintances, I had no friends. I could not trust anybody. I had so much money someone was always after me to try to learn what I was going to do. I controlled so much money that any company that learned from me personally what I was going to buy beforehand could use it to their advantage. This was a half a billion dollars a year. So I had many acquaintances but no friends. I could not let anybody ever into my apartment. I never told anybody where I lived. I never told anybody where I was going. I never told anybody anything. It was the lonesome-est life in the world because I could absolutely not talk to anyone. It was terribly lonesome. Like I say, I was invited to the highest level parties in Washington. I remember one where I was invited. Of course, I was on the diplomatic staff there in Washington and we were being invited to all of the cocktail parties, the big parties. There was one big major party. The ambassador from Brazil had the biggest party and I went there with my daughter. Finally she came to me and she said, "Dad, what's going on? Everybody's coming up to me and saying, 'Now remember me to your father.'" She said, "They'd ask me to go here. They'd ask me to go there. They'd offer me trips on their planes. They'd offer me trips on their boats and stuff like that." She said, "What are you? What are you doing?" I said, "People, when you go to big parties like this, look your name up and they 5