Harold S. Madsen, Pleasant Grove, Utah: an interview by Benjamin Bahlmann, September 6, 2002: Saving the Legacy tape nos. 530-532

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HAROLD . MAD EN P MB R6 2002 have anything to make for Christmas presents, so we tore out some of the sh l ves that our fruit was on, put the fruit on the floor and then cut, designed a little rocking horse for me. My mother painted it. So, see, we made do that way. BB: In your small boy memory, was that normal to you? Or could you tell that you're not making much money in the family? Or is this common amongst everyone around you? HSM: It seemed to be common amongst everyone around us. BB: You didn't feel too different in any way? HSM: We didn't feel different. We were amazed that people could buy an automobile. We wondered how that could happen. And we heard about people taking trips to Los Angeles on a train, or to San Francisco, and it just amazed us that there were people that had that kind of money. We just. . .it was really a very interesting and satisfying time in many respects because we made do with our own, what shall I say, we created our own entertainment. We used ... milk was delivered in bottles with bottle caps, so we invented games where you'd throw bottle caps down to get other bottle caps that others were throwing down, etc. So we invented games like that from these little caps, we would put them on our clothes, we put the cork behind, like a badge (laughs). So we just did all these kinds of things. It seemed like a perfectly natural sort of thing to be doing. BB: So your father would walk down the hill down to the Hotel Utah, so you did not have a vehicle then? HSM: We didn't. A few years later, after the third child was born, he somehow got enough money to pay for a Chevrolet. So we were all still in amazement at this wonderful thing. 5