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Show - \ --~~--~~~~~~~~~---- 5s ACh4rgeintheStar-Ghamher, again} William Talbot· May it pleafe your Honourable go1J Lordfhips : Concerning this Dotl:rine ofSuarez, 1 do perceive , by what I have read in biJ Boo~ that the fame, dDth concern, Matter of ' :) r.. . Faith ; Th~ Cotztrotz~erjit growing, upon Expo.titlon of ~criptures, and Co~nc;els; Wherein,.(being ignorant,and · not ftudied,) I cannot ta~ upon me, to judge :But I do fubmitmine Opinion therein, to the Judgement, of the CatllOlick Roman Church, aJ in all other PointJ, concerning Faith, I tlo. And for Mauer, concerning my Loyalty, I do ac~<.!.zowledge, '111) Sovera1gn Liege Lord King James, to be lawfull, 4nd u11doubud, Kiug, of all the Kingdomes, a/England, . Scotland, and Ireland; And I will bear, true faitb, and Allege~tnce, tQ biJ HighnejJ, during 11ty lift. NOw, (my Lords,) upon thefe word~, I charge William Talbot, to have committed a great Offence ; And fuch an one, as if he had entred, into a voluntary, and malicious, Publication, of.the like writing; It would have been, too ~reat an Offence, for the Capacity of this Court. But b~caufe, it grew from a fl!!cflion, askt by a ceuncell of Eftate ; And fo, rather feemeth, in a fa· vourable Confirutl:ion, to proceed, from a kind ofSubmiffion to anfwer, then from any malicious, or infoleqt Will, it was fit, according to the Cltmency, of thefe Times, to-proceed in this maner, before your Lordjhips. And yet, let the Plearerr, take theft· things right; For certainly, if a Man be required, by the Lords of the Councell, to deliver his Opinipn, whether King Jamu, be King~ or no? AD:d He deliver his Opinion, that He is not; This is, High TreAJon. But. I do not fay, that thefe words, amouat to that; And therefore, let me open them, truly, to your Lordjhips; And ~ therein, open alfo, (it may be,) the Eyes, of the offender Himfelf, how far they reach. My Lords, a Mans Allegeance, mufi he Independant, not provifionaH, and conditionall. Elizabeth E•ton, that was called,the Holy Maid of Kent, affirmed; That ifK. H. 8. Did not ta/ze, Kat he- . rine ofSpain, again, to his Wife, within a twelve moneth~ he foot~ld be wo King ; And this was judged Tlt'eafon. For though this Act, be Contingent, and Future; yet Treafon, of compaffing, and imagining, the Kingr Defirufrion, is prefent. ~nd_in like manner, if a Man fhould, voluntarily .publHb, or matntam ; That whenfoever a Bull, or Deprivatio1f> £hall come forth againft the King, that from thenceforth, he is no Ion ger Kin?.,; 1 • A Chargt, in the Star .. Chstmber againft William Talbot. Kin<.i;- Thi~ is oflike Nature: But whh this, I do not charge you nt:irher: But this, is the true Lt1tit11de of your Words; That tf the Dollrine)touching the Killing of Kin,~s)be Matter of Faith,that you fu::mit your felf,to the Judgement, oftheCatholick_RomdnC};urch: So as nowlto do you rigbt,)yourAllegcance;doth not depend fimply ,upon a Sentence, of the PopuDeprivation, againft the King ;But upCt>n another point alfo; If the[e Dcf1rines be already, or fhall be declared, to be Matter of Faith. Eut my Lordr, there is little won in rhis: There may be fome Difference, to the guiltinelle3 of the Party; But there is little, to the Danger of the King. For lhe fame fope ofRome,may with the fame breath,declare both.~o as fbll 3 upon the matter, the King i) mad~!l bu~ Ten.nant a~ 'Will, C?f his Life, and Kingdome.r; And the A_lleg1a!'c.e of. hts SJ~b;e{]s , IS pinn'd upon the ropes Atl. And Certamly, It ts Tune, to Hop the c111·rent of this Opinion,of Ackaowledgement of the ropes power, in Temporalibus; Or t lie 2 it will fupplant, the Seat of King f. And let it not be rr~ifi~ken, that Mr. 7 t~lbotJ Offence, fuo'Uld be no more then the R.efufing the Oath of Allegiance. For it is one th:ng to be Glent a11d another thing to ~dll 1 m. As for the Point of Matter ofF;ith or not of Faith ; To tell your Lordfoips plain, it would aftonifl; a Man, to fee the Gulf of this impiyed Beliefe. Is nothing excepted fr\)m it? If a Man fhould a~k Mr. Talbot, whethczr he do condemn Mnrthcr, or Ad~tltery, or Rape, or the Dolfrine of M11homet or of Arilu, 1n fi:ead of Z11ari1u; Mufr t.he Anfwer be, wilh this e.;ception,that if the ~e1rion concern matter ofF2ith, (as no quefii.on,it d<;>thlor the Moral Law is matter of Faith)~hat therein hewtl fubmtt htmfelf,to what thee burch fi1all determine?' An no' doubt the Murther ofPrinces)is more then Simple M11rther. But to coaclude,('falbot,) I will do you this Ri~ht; and I will not be referved in this but to declare that, that ts true; That yo\i came aftel'wards t~ a better mind; Wherein, if you had been conftant, the King, out of hh gr~at goodnelfe, ~as refolved, not to have proceeded with you, tn Courfe of J ufhce: But then again, you starl~d ttJi.de, li~ a BrokJ;n Bow. So th~t, by your Variety, and P ae~Uatron, you loft, the acceptabl~ tlme:~ of the firfi Grace·; which was, Not to have con vented you. Nay, I will go f.nther with you. Your lafr S~miffion, I conceive to be sati(fa&ory and Compleat; But then tt .was too late; The Kings Honour was upon it; It was publifh.ed, and the Day appointed, for Hearing: Yet, what prepar~tton, th~t may be~ to the Second Grace of I' ardon; that I know not: But I know, my Lordr out of their accuftomed favour, will admit you; not only to y~ur Defence, concerning that, th~t hath been charged; But to extenuate, your Fault, by any submiffion, that now, God iliall put, ioto your mind, to make. I 2 The |
