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Show In 1921 , 1 ( -was was was ) with Mr . 140 Wimmer on the lower Colorado when he was carrying supplies to the survey party . We made several river trips from ( Hall's Halls ) Crossing , generally ( carry carry- carry ) ing four or five hundred pounds but at times as much as a thousand or fifteen hundred pounds on the boat . I ( ac- ac ) companied my father on his trip with the Galloways from North Wash to Lees Ferry . During my boating experience on these rivers I have never had any difficulty with ( non- non ) power boats except the work incident to coming upstream . There is no need of getting stuck on sand bars if you follow the channel . With the power boat on the lower Colorado we encountered no difficulties at all . At Bull Frog Rapids I had to help the motor boat with the oars , but that was the only difficulty we had . On several occasions we went up over Bull Frog Rapids with that ( two-horse twohorse ) power engine . ( R . 4637-40 , Vol . 26 . ) I have not been on the Green River in a power boat except right around the bridge , and in the other boats in which I have taken my downstream trips I ( don't dont ) recall touching bottom at the riffles or bars between town and the mouth of the San Rafael ; we may have scraped a rock at some place but not because of shallow water . When coming upstream on these trips we may have struck a sand bar because you usually take advantage of the back water when you are rowing upstream and will continue on even though you know there is a sand bar there with the hope of getting around it . Those are the only sand bars we got on during my trips . ( R . 4640-3 , Vol . 26 . ) Most of the time on the lower Colorado we would have to help our motor boat up Bull Frog Rapids , but some times we made it up over those rapids without helping the boat . ( R . 4645 , Vol . 26 . ) I do not remember any place in the river where there is a ledge of rock clear across the stream near Lake Canyon ; I have ( heard hea-rd heard ) of it , but we did not touch bottom there , ( R . 4647 , Vol . 26 . ) Mrs . H . T . Howland testified : I am a sister of Mr . Joseph Ross , and was on the trip with him when he went down to Valentine Bottom to bring out the Valentine family . I recall no difficulties with sand bars on that trip , and my recollection corresponds with that of my son and husband as to the 1910 trip to Indian Creek . ( R . 4651-3 , Vol . 26 . ) George ( R H ) . Franz testified : I am a freight contractor at Green River , Utah . In 1921 , ( I 1 ) went to the junction and |