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Show PACH'lC NOll'l;lL'l.J<.:Si'I~lLi.-J SKl LiS'.l,'li.UC'l'Oiili AS:.::iOCIA'nmr 628 Horth 182nd st: bill Lash, Chairman lISA Ski 'lleachers Certification Committee Dear Eill: Seattle 1). Wash. Don B.hJ.:2ehart, Directo r lnter-Divisional Reltns. PHSIA January 5, 1960 Enclosed is a check for seventy-five dollars in payment of the shipment of thirty books tAn Outline of Ski 'l'eachinp, r,lethods). 'l'hey were made available in the Sl:lattle Rec'.ion '''It Ski Instructor Clinics, rmd throu/{hol1t the division by being offered in our column in the Northwest Skier. . Ive no'" have a wai ting list for the book, so I'll appreciate another shipment at your earliest convenience. l'm gratified to hear of the financial solvency of the instructors associe. tions in other divisions. '1'his was one of the principal reasons for the instructors wantin~ an independent assodiation in our division. We felt, a.s you, that money raised by the instructor progrNll shoulr. be used to promote that program. At the first general meetinG of the elected j50ard of Directors in September, r·larion I/hi ting, president of the PNSA, offered an advpnce of five hundrp.d dollars to the new association with which to beP,in operation. One stipulation of this e.dvance was that the first expenditure should be the 64¢ per active instructor assessment to support the NSA Ski 'l'eachers Certification Committee. ]!c':lever, by the time the check for this adv ..... nce WAS issued, sufficient dU90 had been paid to begin our opeJ'l!I,tion. Heecllofls to oCly, our finR,nclal Rhoo must be fi tt :d very cprElfully this first year. At this, the half-way point, thin~c;s look soli(1. 1n the future we may be Able tC' Allot 1". 1l'11'/:er 9:'!TH'ndi tll rc fo~ ~lblicity and rep~ccBntation. 'l'he PlTSIA Instuctor Clinics h?ve had a. Great response 8.1 TO!"Cl.y this ye",r. \.:1 th one handred. And two" novice instruc'tors hctvinr, 8ttended so f~r. 1 feel we h'O'.ve '0'_ red hot .'!r1uc?,tinnrt] :pro:-r?m in t:lis division, which in part 8.ccounts for the large number of ch.ssifien Pl-iSI~\ Instructorc. YOUT hook "Outline" has, alan?,; wtth five others been rer::ommcndocl (IS eriucn.tionA.l r€lr.ldin'~ f'or clini~ ~nQ eX"J1lin".tion rg·rtieip~.nt3 f',!" ~Tell as PNSIA In;:t.ructorc. So 1 '11 JI.}Tprccln.te rcceivin.r:. more book~ "3 soon as possible •••• 1 hear you'r n havinr; terrific con(l1 tions ••• • \-18 '1'u pretty short on snow so far this year. but lots of sunshine •••••• co: Harlacher Case DR/tr Don H}1inohrtrt "- i,"~:"'" IKI UNION 01' '"1 :" .. ,AhlllIlCAI ,,' :' , i AMATIIUII ATHI.IITIC UNION Ol','HI U.I. h"",THIl U.I. OI.VhlP'IC ;,:. ' ,~,~ A •• OCIATION' ,~ J/,."'''' , NATIONAl. . ,:.: COUNCIl,' :,,,~ .\.~> )"< t 130 SIXTEENTH STREET DENVER 2. COLORADO' Ft' ~~~ 12, l)bU ,f~ 'ImI"' : f " ~,'I To ;:e;'1bers of lISA Committees of t.he Certification Group: i'i Well, another ski season is o.lmo~'t half over; 1vhat has cecn li€tccomplished in your committee? Certainly i:.he Olympics have kept other activitiE)s to a minimllm but, nevertheless, somethin~ Hort,huhile should be acc0J:lpliLilod IJY each conufti t Leo durinG this season. If you feel that, your comittee has not accomplished some of the objectives that it should, write to your committee chairman or to Il\Ysolt', N~,A Certification Co-ordinator and let's try to :nake up for some lost time during the month of Harch. The Alpine officials committee should definitcl~y ~;ive tests for IlSA Cel,tif Lcd officials this t>eason. Request materials from your c:la ~rm:n, Gerald Gros1iold, and let's get the project underway. The Ski Teachers work is pretty well outlined and taken care of but each divi[iion should be thinkinG about tllo clinic o.nd COIlUllHtee mectinl~ to h' held at IjriGhton in ::a:i • I l:.elieve Bill Lash said the dates vJO~re the 13tl1, 14th, a.nd lSth. I am open ~ correc tion on ttl" date, as I ccLnot find tie memo I made. You ski teachers have [/ the nucleus of a we:", organized association a'1d I, personally, hO~,',~ ,'" that. ;you'll see fit to remain a pa . ',I C'Ji the lISA at least by affiliation and, alsolH:.hat you ,-lill requer. t the representation in t.he NSA which you certainly deserve. kl;::~ i ~ ,~! The SY.i Coaches committee may have a real active job lined ~p for itscU in conjunction with the skiinG in the schools cOITlPlittee. I am sure that i'lalt Taulbee, your chairman, ",ould like hearing from you and learning any suggestions that you may h2ve in the ~y that this co~'littee may be of t;rsatcr ['er'Vice. The Nordic officials conlnittee is doin; a great job a.ld certainl.y very active. l·:Y onl;:," request here is that corllni ttee members fuUill correspondence dutie1" p·o:npt.l~'. A:;ain, let's hear your r~rj.pes and s1.p;sestions. 1:Trit(~ to YO'.lr cO'l1J11ittnc chairman a'1d send a carbon COP.! to l1.y~(.'li. Yours for better organized skiing, Chuck Hibbard nSA Certification Co-ordinator CHI/vb CONTRIBUTIONS ARE DEDUCTIBLE FOR FEDERAL INCOME TAX PURPOSES , • NATIONAL SKI ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA TO: Certified Ski Instructors 6811 South Meadow Drive, Salt Lake City 17, Utah February 15, 1960 FROM: Chairman, Ski Instructors Committee, N. S. A. A/filia/td wilh .KI UNION 01' THIit "MlltltlCA. AMATEUII ATHLETIC UNION 01' THE U ••• THIit U ••• OLVM,.IC A •• OCIATION INTEIINATIONAL .KI I'IItDIltIlATIDN SUBJECT: The NSA. Ski Instructors Commit tee Meeting and First Annual Ski School Directors Meeting, Arapahoe Basin ~ Colorado May 14, 15, 16, 1959. The attached report represents the minutes of the Arapahoe meeting. Most of the minutes of the on-the-hill disucs51ions have been eliminated for the sake of economy and because much of the content was lost in the recording and translating. Special attention is directed towards Paul Valar I s special national Ski School Congress held in Poland in April 1959. Certified Instructors of the United States. report on the 5th InterPaul represented the Your attention is also called to the section of the meetings that discussed the feasability of forming a national ski instructor s association. As the minute s indicate, this was an important consideration of the meeting, but by no means was this the prime purpose as was indicated in a press release, this apprearing in a leading ski magazine in November 1959. The subject of a national instructors association has been a matter of controversy for years. Misconceptions are many. But many leading instructors continue to promote an affiliation of the present divisions for the purposes of promotion, coordination, and gathering and disscenination of information of mutual interest. It is my personal opinion that the United Stales needs a National Ski School Congress or Association as found in other ski countries of the world . The Arapahoe meeting was considered successful. However, the divisions of the Western United States were generally poorly represented. The East and the Central Divisions were strong while unde r the handicap of having the greatest distauce to travel. The Certified Instructors of the respective divisions should demand that your ski school directors and association officers make every effort to attend the 1960 meetings. The Arapahoe meetings were conducted as follows: The mornings were devoted to demonstrations on the hill by all divisions ( except the PNSA who was not represented. ) Each division presented its various techniques. The afternoons were spent on the CONTRIBUTION'; ARE DEDUCTIBLE FOR FEDERAL INCOME TAX PURPOSES .. PAGE 2. group discussions outlined in the report. The evenings were used for the NSA Instructor Committee meetings. Entertainment was provided by Cocktail Parties sponsored by the fOllowing: Roby Al.bouy, Head Ski Company, Larry Jump, Poma Lifts, Inc., and WiUy Schaeffler, Arapahoe Basin Ski School. The meetings success can be attributed to the preperations exhibited by the following: George Engel, Rocky Mt. Ski Instructors Asso., Pres. Willy Schaeffler, Eric Windisch and Phil Clarke, Jr., of the A-Basin Ski School, Larry' Jump and his A-Basin Staff and Max and Edna Dercum of the Ski Tip Ranch at DiUon who were our \i onderful hosts. Credit is due to Miss Coral Hoff of the Denver NSA office who voluntee red her time to take shorthand of aU the activities. TRENDS OF THE 1959 -1960 SEASON: The USEASA Certification program will be tightened. Instructors will be asked to attend annual rallies to maintain certificates. Examiners will reviewability of the instructors. Where teaching ability of members h~s fallen below standards, the intructors will be subject to re -ce rtification. The CUSSA Examiners of the Certified Instructors Committee reviewed abilities of half of their instructors in December, the remaining half will be reviewed next Dec. The examining board revoked several ce rtifications, many teache rs were reque sted to be re-examined ~t the next emanination. The Intermountain and the Far West Ski Instructors Association will begin the problem of review of Cert;ification of Individuals at the spring clinic s. After observing the Central USSA examinations in December 1959, the chairman iH convinced that Central Standards are equal to any in the U. S. Cooperation between divisions has had favorable results. At the Intermountain Ski Instructors Association examination in December 1959, a six man examining board was used with 3 from ISIA and 3 from the Far West Ski Instructors Association. Indications are that more divisions will make use of inter-division examining boards. My thanks to Jall of you who took the time and expense to attend the meetings. S1:/4~ BILL LASH, CHAIRMAN, SKI INSTR UCTORS COMMITTEE, NSA Mr. Bill Lash 6811 South Meadows Salt Lake City, Utah Dear Sir: A copy of your book "An Outline of Ski Teaching Methods" was recently brought to my attention by Mr. Hal Codding. I would like very much to purchase a copy, as I believe it would be an aid to our Reno Junior Ski Program. We have 75 instructors In our ski program and the book would be an aid to each instructor. Enclosed please you 1 n adl)(tance, ~.i.·, , ~.: I ':1 (I,; , NOO:bb find a check In the amount of the book. I am, Sincerely, RENO JUNIOR SKI Thanking Norman O. Olsen, Director Mr.. John Harbert Assistant ~eaionnt Forester Lands en~necrention Olbd.en l1egional Offic·e u.n. FOrent'Seryiee·Dldg. Ogc1en, Utah l>eal' . Joim: .'. , , ., . FJlcl.osea~~ 16 a . list· of 1nd1vS.&.tMG.· 14\0 have b&e~ GreJlte4' tf'~rary , ... . teaching permits in accoriJ.iialce \lith the }!Olloy of the' ISIA •. i'emporar:r pernrJ.. ts are' issued Oll requeat ·of' the .jni1~v1dual. in those instances ...... ' .. i .that .J."e.ql1ire Bpea1el consideration. ~11f.1 policy tluatllates accor(ll0l; to the 1ndividllBl, the area ~d:·the ski, 9c11.o01 director.;'! Usuall.,. . ~: .. teuportt.rY ",perJ111t o I:\l.-e i~eu~d on the sole rocomatendat1on' ot the ~k1" ", school director, . results of past examinations, records or 'p9,O"t atten", iJancfl at cl1zl1cs and teacllUl(£ ept1tw!e ere used to lteln 4e~11e .. ', \1hetller. or.n. ot _. per..o U.t . is to be 1lJoued. .. ... . .. ' . ' Reference is' made. to · +J1e Df.a.~cb, '1956 meeting' of the irs&. eertitlcat ion .. : ot BU·teaeberB' 'Comtnittee Qt Bun Val.ley. The policy of oertifieation' .in w.aell Veek~end n:."ellD· w..s d1seussed. 'l1le interpretation or that mefJt~ .ing WaD that spetJ1a1 cOnQil\~'rat:101'1' be', given thene etnsll veek-end areas· . unt~· quDlit1ed;'cert:tf1ed 1nGil~CtorfJ: ~·.be. l'ecruitecl. and ,tre.1l1ed •.. ' • • + ... 'For 'the:past' thNe ~arm ,the':mm 'hM Pro~o'tea Q 1'K>11cy ot conducting·', tra'!n.inG clinics: In the '1ntennou~o.:tn ro:ea.· ·!L'be resultll~' have been vert .successful and it is felt ·that·mlUty·people are nov be:tter· qual1ned to un(1ert.okG. tQe(.~IA ~t1t1ca~1on ~o.1nat1on. ,: .. YOu might' malta rafe-renee ·to our letter· QQted.1I1nrch 3,' 1960 tl1S.t reports : the f"OrthcOlU.ng certification :·ex~.nat.ion in Jaeknoll, 'f.vo:n!ng ~rarc.ll 26 ~~()'21,,: 1960. The spr~g exam'ana. .clinic that has, b~-n 8ponnored in loabo' '~this yeE\r 'shovld hrr.re Pl~viacd ample. opportu.1;l1~1 fO", aV\\11O;bU1ty~·to '.1ntsreuted :Pf!ople. ... . • * .... .. , • I 110pe \Ie earl te..1k to· 'YOU",concerning iutU1--.e policlea for the'l96<)' and 1.S\S1. ·s~GlJon CD tenporR%7 :perlU1ts and tJle ISIA certification p!6l1 .... It appears .. 'thBt tllG tittle hes corno tJmt we should all cooperate toward InOre, QStr:ll~rutt.· ~m:orcement. Of .•. c~1rication 111 outlyini··elti arC&3. . • .• ..,..... :... .l1li' ....... Sincerely .. . . :om taoh, ,~eqi(lent .. /IIIIA".U. A'"'''' Tli;.. ...... 0 .. 0" , .. ( ... , ... If,. o&'t ..... ~ "'._C:' .. "Uilli Nl\TlONAL SKI ASSOCI}\~F1~~ERICA ... '7 •• ".1'tO,...&. •• r nllHl""'''M''1'' ~.r,1" ",.l" 'l . ,~",.": " ,t' "j. ~l' 1'1" Of'1C1 Of 'MI HlUlon4' ;+~\ l,,"d( 1.«II~Wf"" ,f~·4"'U .. # ~"; Ap,..tl .s, 190G /tl,..CM,.lu H. ::>0.1/1, Jr •• P,.,.fd.rd, 'J.S*Xa.t.,.n SIf' ,A",,, S tow. '" r,,. tAO". t l'ho.nJu ftH' Jleur l.ft,,. 0/ N",.oh "Jat, anll th, tnuftattol1 to atf'fld you,. contl.ntCorl. Pr, •• ~t plan' cell /Q" MAI,.ll ~~d V,rnG to l.av. h,r, on Sgturdav, Apr!! 2$, ana will a,.,.'I'" (1\ spo~an.lI.~bou.t noQ.J.." 011 Chllt delli_ 1" /II'.J/t ~ ''''~ Lila!), Spoklol/\, }(ol1dall, rtJJ\t a/ff,. nO"11 al1d J1V to San 'pane'eo,. ': ' ':~": .LeulJ. ,3UI'\ Irtl'flc(b~' TI4"daJl, Ap,.t) I!~ ,bJl J.t::t, W\uh(nctoP1" D. C. to ,dt,nd a h,a.rln.g 01\ ,. h. tax ,.;c''''pt .Cattu 01 th, NatIonal SIC' A •• ocfut(o", to b. J\,lcJ on rhu,r,dc.l.JI, Ap'!1,iJ8. 'I W,uhfnghp\ D. C. t. '.1kJ ror~ on nlursd4,v Ap~tl ~8, abou~ ~oo~. 811 .ur/ac. tran.po~tat'on to Albanv. N.Y. 0" Ap,.fJ Rith /01" J'cu' ... n cont,." ct.". ""."",:'.:."",J{ond4i11' )(QII' I,. to ,.80,,&8,,: f",.ol'\'o,. Chtoage, D.~v.,. ( ••• t Afta • L.dd.~.) to Sult L~4. CttU. 1",11 I .... ( .". t, I I.', 1'1\ • ,.., IoJ tl1 b. • 0.. a f II'" 1 t 1\ ., • 0 h, 0. u 1. C h<Hl Q ... c1l.Ap,.fl 14th, .,P\'ch c,.. not ""e ovat1abJ •• "h'l1 th'1I, a,., I ~tll g'v, wou IJfghe "u.b,r QI1J ft ••• 1/ th,r, t. an opportul1ttJl to h,lp on c~t, m.~b.~'htp prOvraM pr(or to uour con~'ntto~, I would b. ao.t hapPJI h d. ••• I 1oIG. t.l\'''k(n~ _/ th, Wa,hfngtoJ'\, D.C. club, N.J" .'n" Cou,I'I\.!(l, .tc. I will br'"~ w(th ., .~ O~ 800 It. 01 ld __ • • ,ut" 01 fh, 01~~ptc, (about 25 .'nut.,) unO. il (1"1IOn. alonp th, le,,- c. (""r,.t,d I will b, harPJI Co proj.et thla. N OF At"1ERICA 1130 SIXTEENTH STREET Dear Chairman: SI" UNION 0" .. HI ,A.M...l.f R, ICA• .': ",: ;" .. ' ANA',.."" AYttUtTH:: .. ' i, UNIO.N Of' TM.If u.• • .. We are counting on recaivinq your committee report for the National Convention so that all the delegates will have the opportunity to become aoquainted with results of your years work. If we receive your report at National Headquarters before May 16th, we will reproduce it in quantities and distribute it for you at Glacier. We must have your list of committee recommendations in order that we may publish them in our f~rthcominq Convention News Bulletin. WaJll naeevda iylaobulre h teolp t hine sceoenivnegn ttihona t dea1lelg atceo~m,_m\ itteIef wree pcoarnts be of'I'" service in any way, please let us kn01ti· . I , Since,ely yours, RC:dp Rita Cavnar Secretary CONTRIBUTIONS AU DEDUCTl,llE FOR FlOfRAL INCOII.,u 1'AX PURPOSfS ----------- " I J l c. u. S. S. A. CUrl it 1m SKI INSTRUCTORS 3505 ADM!)!::. LANE NORTH MINNEAPOLIS 22, MINNESOTA April 16, 19bO William R. Lash 6811 South Meadow Drive. Sa.lt Lake City, Utah Dear Mr. Lush: The books I promised are on the way. The mov1~a will be sent shortly anci I know that you are going to enjoy them. Enoloeed is my oomlnittee report to the Central for 1959-60. Last week I was re-elp,oted a director. Big deal. I had trouble with 90me area operators on this "Ski Club Instruotor" deal and wonder what you think of it. It is.ciesorlbed in my report ----·.-I-·i.;~;·~; -;~~- copy of the meeting ann:uncement ~n~-) last year's minutes ~o would appreOiate your sending some oopies r~E_t __ . .?1Y~_ _---__ j Ae I told you, I have Borne ideas for the promotion part of our program. One is a ski school - 9ki lesson recoriing that can be played ov~r the speaker sY8tem at any ski area. If made available nationally, it could perhaps be recorded by a instructor personality like youreelf or Paul Valar or Stein Erickson. I h~ve wUitten to V\'ar.rell Miller and Jay for the1r comments and suggestions. ~y plans are not eet, but I will let you know. I would like to fly out with my wifs (but whe.re I'll scrape the dough together is something elae). Say hello to that wife of yours with the sexy ~o10 e. ·f ... 5-13-60 Paul Valar, "~echo [Iem. ,eam Tech and li.eLhod Dear Colleages: l ., ' I am were I can reach you all.As a seag:rrent,i was pretty good at it. Vlhat we aregoing to do this morning he,s 1,een se t IIp as folIO'."r~~ 0 Yirst :.', technical clemor,s, r:-, ien. " :;1,:..:' hI"~ " C :-..J'l, C( 11:'(; 211 0 E ski teaching method and go thru the whole cf it and go thru the methodical approach. What we \liould like to do is show and find out as many as possi'l-.le of the exeroises that is heing used to ach~ive the finalresul ts •. which we call the technical appearance of \ the terms we are teaching~ of course thoro ar~ n //" " ache i ve this goal and we know it "'u t if 'Ne ~-to technical part together its often very diffucult lot n ways ~o methodical and I to separate the two) and the discussions always 'l-,ecome very lengthy ~ and not always to the" ~ ,: \ .' first. I want to callout one of each diylsion and they will do the demonstrating 8s1 call it out. And this place here, I chomse it ! ' hecause I felt we could do the side slipping, Slem christies, , I l' " , ( paraliel~ christies and weddlen and, then we prodeecl (lo'/.n the f,'ully , were YOLl see a knolldown there were we do the S110W plow, stem ~urns and all the rest of i::t:x the methodical part. Now i would like those I have already talked to to stay here fLncl i)hen the other half of the group will go on the other side and Lurn around and face here. Strin;lout in single line[3 so that everyhody can see what is going on. Alrieht please move. A'~'out half the group oyer there turn around. Alright Jim,traYers and keep it flat. Do you notice the angulation , with his shoulders facing down the mOlPltain and. that the arms I~~~! t)f( slit';htly raised. hU t no t to a righI, anf,'le arr1 the hip is not ',locked hack far enough to 'l-.lock the lower part of the " ody an(1 mxkx freeze it and make it immo'l-.ile. '1'ho r:enorn,l nPfironch oeems \'0 'l-.e relaled and not oyer done. We go to a travers-christie up hill. One more. Here we again haye a very Similar execusion of two (lif'ferent divis'ons the S[1.me n s (lone 'l-.efore,Lllen n sli,",ht lift, sinkinl.~ motion, then FI. 1 ift turning o~ the sLits to heel LhruG t;. ,. \.i /' \ This same christie inLol,he hill L ... alDO (ione wi Lh a ninking Iuot.ion alone. Will you please do Lhat DouC. The . ,) 1 high and. rulaxed, sink and return. that is it. That is the other version of the christie up hill. General speaking in the alps o~x and in Europe it is apparent more and morethe lif-l; is "'eing used., "'ecause in the ~; . \ ~., , ~ h' " .' lo.wer forms inhe stem christie and the J'ftrallel there is a lift for the introduction of our turn. Alright Max do a travers side slip. Well that is a very important demon§tration do the same thing ~ut J1t, s tart ~r '8. travers. ThE:x 'ro show the release. '''ravers siele slip. Alright one more pleDse. And then go inLo :ravers side slip. Alright we hold the steerage "'y aneulation with Lhe skiis to the normal anele of the "'ody as the hipS go in the up hill edge ~ites more if I take thisangulation off, I get into a side slip. I can do this again "'y up motion as well 8.S (lownrnotion. Act,:wll,"lhn.t hnppon!J 1n thntJ tho J knees and hips come slightly out and the ski position and edge posi tion ch~mees accordingly. Alright who is up. ~ill stem Christie. That is the finished produc t. 'rhat is all ':Je are dri vine at. It is a stem christie in the final form. "ravers stem swine. Dont go to far, • One more Go a little higher so that you don't g~t that far down. please. stem christie with a down hill stem. Coulll we llnve one morc Mnx. The way you teach it in your <livison or in your school doesnOL make any difference. Gomentar;;r on the stem chris tie. Generally SI)eakinp; j '; ~ \ ... I ! I ,1 think it is' safe to say that' the up hill 8 em is 'e inG used. There is\ as we will see latJer in the methodical approach there are places ,n _:> (~ ~km' CV-/ "'!- L,nd times or pupils ~~ an ahstem 1II'ill "'e JasierJ~"'to achieve might he hetter to what we are drivine at, . hut international tocly- the c . \1" ',I ,\\'~ final resul ts is s t.emil10 the ill) h~ll ski \, fl. sliCht lift) ;;hif ting , n , ~ '~11!" S of the weiGht, aneulation and f.o-l-low-in,>:;, Lhroll,.h. ThoLle of YOll Vlho / \' ; -: / l~ ,. have seen recent movies of Europe muy hnve noticed thnt I pr~edioted last year has come to PflSS has 'l-.cen very true thnt eene!'n.l\~8peaJcing ,,,I ........ -) ,.r /'7'" .J . .... " ,/, r' ". /'., ," . " ";. " , (, /'- I, ' ('( , It is very apparent that they us~ very li~tle lift which nn a smooth slope of course is very simple to do. You remem~er however, that the gr~ater the resistance slush or deep snow the more resistance on the sJdis themore they will have to ' e unweighted. Those are factors that we should not disregard. l\"ow the next I,hing I would like to get is 8. christie from the fall line. ~efore we go to the par~al~l. Can you do that Dean. Parallel from the fall line. You go straight down and turn ej:~ eIther WDy. Well yUll. know, you. In irht f;O L nOHlO monoy from clearing a new trail. Thats it. and Turn. The reason I asked for this is for the release of the turn. A parallel christie from the fa~ line is the ~est introduction to a complete turn. And it does show all the necessary phnqses that we find later on in the finished produc-t Alright, next One. Comen tary. on this p.ar. ..~. 11eJ. fall line c.i1ris tie is veryevident there is a sinking motion a lift turning of the skiis and a sinking thru a ~reak. Ipurposely try to avoid rotation we-F-e- tJ-'1/ heal t~lrust or those things that we are still al odds with or may "e using differet ~m~'~ with, to a call the same thing, 'ut that is still "eing worked on. '1!e will get up to that in the met odical apr1roach. Now, a full parallel christie. Whose next. Make two. Christie up hill an then turn. Come half way up • Alright Doug, would you kindly do one v/ithout the christ up hill. Vihlit do they call that. 'Che Southern California special. Good. The reason 1 asked for this second Lurn is that las t year none of the Alpine nations used any more the approB': (! to parallel that they used "-efore, "ut that they Simply skL~d into it. All of them had to turn up hill, pole or no pole, turn up hill setting the edge to provide a platform and then turninp off. which of course is qui te a change of the old school "llhere VIe ' ellcved that skiinG into a turn and was that they tried to , , ~', . t- \ " {~ \ not &1dJ.}}g af,ainst it. '?ut the ~aiJ1 reason 11/, r d ((" used this as 8D approach to Weidlen were you have thtis form of heel '(hrust at the eml of' i,he platform for your lift to the next I urn. noV! this is a1-.solu tely oncl gener[1,l,ly 8ccep ied. ',':hich suprprised me q, (\~l i te\~-< ~,a f 1\ 0\ <t', ..~ ,t, '; Th1 is i\s' ; a, s• ',.\ f~r~, 6"S termino• loG"J is concerned, you have ~ hc.ve a travers 1-.etween 1[··1",-( L·;:,· /:';'//1'1. I. ) ." ) ./ /.... .. '.' '" 'J.() ( \ ,,' ,\ ~ , I .-;y!. l ./ 1,/. ( --':',' l i L., j "f, • I. . iO (/f,. J' If Y0U keep your 1-.ody motion then it is cQtled ',.e·idlen. It is not a paralle~ chris tie any more. How l11ax would you d.o two more like this a christie up hill and as slo,y as you can. There. It is very true ,h" that in this form of execution Vie can demonstration and do practical skiing parallel turnD at fJlowc1' upeod. Lhll.n wo uOl.l,ld 'I-;o1'oro. And it has tremendous udvGntages especially vihen you. ski wi th pupils. This turn allovlS you a quicker turn on :mE leas terain and at less speed. The reason I asked Max to ski slower in his last demonstraton Vias I.his I wanted to demonstration on the snow that when you "'rea k your speed off, you set a platform and you turn the other way, your certainly going to pull YOUr tail end off some just as you do in your hop to weidlen approach that the tail end is 'heing moved ~d displaced which of curse is "'eine: us ed very often when you hit 'had snow or when you hit a very narrow gully.You have during t: e first phase of the turn to turn your skiis around very quicJcly This cannot 'he a ruad e and it cannot 'he over the tail s it has to " e over the tips. rrhis is phys icully an imposs i'h iIi ty for in slush the farther ~ack you get the more likely you are to get hooked.in the 'l.,a~k.I huvent seen one yet thn.t would try to pivot Lhe skiis when they get in mush. Now Jim, would you do a christie up hill in a sequence. One is the sinking appr08ch, the other one is the /{i I /j ".,~., •• {/ " ,'/ f,," down up dorm appro[~.ch. Al~'if,ht "RN.X, 'ud, four ~';e,idlen turns. l'hen the fir[3t one hop and i,hen you can ~}ki Lhe rc:-;t any vlay .YOll want to. I actually produced every thing. Hop turn then 8. smooth execution and in the end a extreme pivot ."'. \ with a very exposive plac:.ement of the snow as you will see in recent Austriat movies. You will se a very explosive motion in their feet. Themain thing in this is that the explosive motion in thepivot that means you turn Ihe skt llndor tho "1ndlng "ot,h , parts of the ski move. You can't'lunder the "incling 'ecause as you now thflt is not very sound to try. All right ~ill Weidlen. Just ski it. No hop no special form Just a finished form. Just ski it. It is of course found. that different pe ople will produce this k-ind/(I of skiing sliehtly different as well as it make' a difference what grade of a ~ant you are on.You don't want to "reak you just want to keep an even speed this depends on the grade you are on. If you are on a fairly fla t s~opc you may s till want to Vie idlen you can do it and you' can and you look for acceleration in your turn • In a real steep slope your course is evident again. You have to turn quicker the "reaking phase is some what longer and it changes the general approach of the motion ""ecause of the up and down movement is much more apparent. }/[8.x. 1~0 don't come up here. '"e have got to come .:lovm. 'He cnn go W[lY down for the rest oJ' it. All right Mu.x. Jus t go down 1.,he hill 1,:e idlen. There generally doesn't seem to "'e to much difference to the apI)roach this form of skiing as I said today there are a lot of things that have somethine to do with it. Differences in exe(:u tion vlill 1,C fonn(l in wri tine, will "0 found in ) • , I' teaching andwill "e found in pupil its self. So far this is I want to do on this plewe on the hill. The res t of it SnOVll)low stem turn and. then I wrmt to go vlfly down on Lhe other rJid.e of tho chair lift. And then vie will go into the methodical pnrt 2. ~efore we leave here does anyone want to come and demonstrate I mean please lets not get into the li[;tle thing or nnyLhinr, like ""u t jus t the differences in the Le chnicD 1 (arm. Any' ody in Lhn t line. V/onderful Ie ts go.' For a demons tra tion you have to prepare the slope, you have to groom it ancl you have to face up to certain difficult;tes of the snow.I have seen the Austrial teo.m very fussy a""out smoothing a slope out.Ther0 is a certain d.egree that we should he a1-.1e to hand'!y. Alright then lets co. (JUli..w IS CUT OUI' HSR£.) "'eoause like in mODt other sports the motion should ""e total for the form of the -""'ody and it looks "'etter for the eye. Next snow plow turns. Go d.own 10 yards. 1'urn slow. '['he transi tion is much more solid thnJb. tll at up here. One, is a pe:rpa tory motion , ~: t the other the reversing 8S the turn proceeds. Th~\main thing is notas much hovl we prepare to turn' u t th at we as well as in stern and snow plow shift the weight toward the turning ski and not on top the turning ski. ~e only should shift toward the ski ~ecause when you get on top of that (end of tape) iape 2. 1m Carl IIinderman, ~ig Mt. Montana. Hi. The only difference ... : ::z::=-_" .. and I am sure others in other schools use it to, is from a traversing position as you come to the other side of the hill you have to skate up the hill and give quick ski movements from one ski to the other in other words this.From a traversing position you come to a stop jus t another dr1 ve in the faa t movement .1). V. 'J'hon try n 0 Olll" inn. tlon to two exercises of travers. I think most teachers teach a travers ~efore they teach a t:r:R christie up hill. If you don't have a natural run off like we do here shot them here right u.p to the other side you can m[tke them step arol1nd '''eC8.U8e you already have h8.v:e, the 1-.cgi:mnin{( cll1.33 you alrendy htlve I.hcn n LepinE: OIl L of· Lho tracks step:ping into ; he tracks. ';'here shonld l'e 8. certain 8,1-. iIi ty and a certain ease there that of ~)tepping up hill in a travers is visi1-.1e. rrhis of COU' se Goes riGht hack to linking Ber~ises and continuation of movement which is very good and 4~ especially if you are forced to use some sort of 8. stop it is much easier th8n 8. snow plow in thi:=, posi tion any other faults? Question, Is there e.:ny kind of . . . . . . in the school Loday. , p.V. I think today if a guy advances a foot, history is "eing called, he had trou"le, do you .Jee what I mean it is apparent " f" ' that the stance is half 1'1-' •• " ~j'e do netd a lead, you can see vlhy we ah, the stance io short if you go up or if tho l)ujlil I~OO[J n.orono the slope whith the up hill ski oposite ski as much as one solid shoe ahead he isn't skiing nny more he is acutally hanging on. primarily, not matter what approach you use,th~Dretically theone ski shoudel "e sli~htly ahead and slightly to the outside of our toe. Vie operate on something that is in motion.And I think in l,er,chine especially in the lower graele,we don8t have to emphasie when ' leaning "aCE on the ir heels "elieve me there are there and. you all know it.I t ink that we always should emphasize a normal stance '"'ec8.u~je if you are not slichtly ahead of your runing ski you aren't rela xed. rrhere is not sitting trace involved in this \ t'" ~ traver what so ever. You have got to "eon top of your ski and you can even use a liGht hop appror,ch once you ee t a Ii ttle more effic io nt. r-mt just make sure thnt yon cnn do that hop.ane1. relAX. Alri(:ht Lou. There is a great deal lost here. Every once inn while he is saying something 8: out the shoulder slirhtly over, and. use the normal position. I can8t get anything else for a while.)) There is a girl talking her and askins que::~t;ions in Lhe "Rck ground. P.V. Alright a~ything else. Question. VIe found that, v:i th our "ceinners the terrain of appreciationis one t:ing vIe try to get to them. And. we found that wi th the snOW1110\, turn, the s tern turns there i~l nlways n ten(lency on the part of the '"'eginner to '"'renk his speed all the time so that every turn is a hard edge turn; ',':e found thu t this ye ar rather than to coneintrate so much on tho"t turn inc; wo will tn.ke the ',c{,;inner who is not content with the rope tow to take thorn up the lioft end we try to S}lO\', them thnt to tln.ver~~e is more important than the turn insofar as the Ilngle of the tr[lverse izx~E.lOXR::rx:2:d. across the slope ,is concerned. This is in a matter of controling speed. in showing them that slope appreciation that if they will .look at the slope and not at their skiies and chaise the proper angle across thehill then their skiis will not excelerate continuously that the skiis will Get so fast Dnd thats 1:111 they will [';0. Then Lhe,! learn running 'J...elance across the hill Vii th that we can take a 'hegilimin<'1 skier and he nan ski any slope then 'J...y making long long traverses. '" We found this wry then he is more relax~d when Vie are ge t tine in Lo turns.Again we have thestep turn to stop and we have fall stop. P.V. I thiruc much more emphasis o~ixxx a good traverse positioA much more emphasis on exercises again and again with the skiis to gether 'hecause a traverse position is impossi'l-le unless we have /"1 ,.. ... I ~.'1 ...~ - L· ••• i •••• ski position. ~his is quite definite. If you think not 'ry to execute a reverse shoulder turn with your skiis slichtly separated and YOll will find out. This is one of the 'hasic principles of the reverse shoulder skiing. A small ski position allows us to mo~e the ski is quicker nnd ansier. Now letn go to n traverse side slip. Question. I cound noL eet. Answer. On a parallel exercise no. On a straiGht running exercise yes. 'Recause if you separate the ski your change of edge or anything like that 'hecomes much more delicate. It must 'he harder then to edge properly and if you go 5 - 8 inches you vlill find that the ski1s won I t reopon(l individually. Therefore I personally feel if you use a~ old parnlle approach keep it that way. 'l'raverse- 'L'raverse sid.e slipping Oh I remem'her the days when we had our h:t:px system of wide apart elld that was very good as long as you skitid slowly. ';:e figured if we couldnt do it why shoudld the pupil try it. nut 1-asically I think it is 'hetter to ski as we call it parallel I),sition. It. i~) easier La hlmdle I' the ski then as one ·:ni~. ~\-'-:c~iDll~" Jc n got to traverse, t,raverse side sliT). 5 We have had the technic~;l demonstration and. we S[L'W that there are two ways to do it. Let me quickly ShOVI hoth rI":n:in. Latteron is a 'hetter time for that. yOl1 ge t this in to early and they micht lock the 10'A'er "'ocly. cramp up thehody the lower ..... ody so that they loose the 'ha.:th a'h11i ty to handle the skies easier. Is there any other wny of releasin I a side slip. Doug. ~rhis mattter dconserns in part a concept of sequencial I development. If you have any good skhool teachers here you know what I am talking ahout. The nat10n£tl education asso has conducted such re search, such as in arithmetic • At what time shoQld you teach the 'place ment of a zero, the trf:lllsposi tilDi of fip;ure8 A.nd 80 on nnrl vlhn.t p;rR.c1e level. Vie have "'een trying to discover these things in our school when you should inttroduce side slipine;, up down and so on. VIe all know tha t these things have to he done hut wha t we vl.onder ~w :(, when i B th,i;· . .... --~-.-. 'hest time to teach them andin teaching our christies we found that in f / " I; our purposes that introd.uction of the f.,ictioneravi ty way of turning is the cas ies t appronc h. '1'his c onc erns the firs t ~dd c sli ppinr, slrnply a matter of going across the hill accentuatine eht forward knee now releasing the edges so whenthe front of the skies vlhen leaninG forward will allow the "'nck edts-os to s.lide. thero' y givinr': the rd;ll.oen I, Il. {';TOflt deal of confidence tolearn that when he is p,oing this way, my gosh, J a {\ ·\t.1 r\' r ' he can very Simply s~urn into the hill. If we feel that one of the fir s1 ~< ohjectivesJ ~~ rather than teaching specific skills you find that in ~he osequencial developernent we stress the development of confidence as these wtwo go hand in hn.n(l. 'Then once ~hey hllvo thlu vw eo on to t;110 approaches demonstrated here. r.v. AlrichL, thnnk you llOtlt'.;. Q. Another approech that is leading in popularity in the crouded area with maSs instruction is first that rather than using a "en.utll'ul slope like this or a open area which is not availa'hle to start and ini tiate the first a~ili ty to side slipe ;.he skies and feel the edge I control from a rather than a trnversing posit.ion. Even to the extent of using "oth polesin 'etween your s ance B.nd learn to relense the edges ih a ver;! slow easy faltlillDon. Another one is to utilize a small rise thather that,;the"sloI)Y 'hecause of the introduction of side slipping and ed,ge con trol far earlier in theyear s experience to over come the pro'hlems of the fear of the slo~which are usually selected and the students enn slide on them may' e ~ or 4: feet after they clim'h up on the top of it and it.. isgradual.and they can get the initial side slipping feel. Then go into Lhe forward motion with the side slip. p. V. This is of c ourse ~ true and the first side slipping Course ,./ ,< " shoudl 'he on a sharper knoll 'hut a much less [; teeper vne. /,1.'6 -wfHFt WI mean a high one. Vieare willing to get t he feeling that if they fall they will slide way- down slow, 'hut generally speaking of what I have seentoday l' ~ !~l ~ ,I 'f ,. I ' it seems to me the travers side slippin~s used more . today. Then the fall line side slip. Usually i '~elieve that the traverse side slip may 'he introduced in this manner as you say with ;/ l your pole to help it is easier in this execution thnn this phane. Then you h8,ve the other appronch to christie up );1ill. Traverse down up down The 'h ody is in motion in an upw,r-rd in--the mot ion turn the skies ~(r"i 'Ioc>'!!f then push -+he hi""rl st-op amI sink ngain.) There rnip;ht "e a thrid way to do it. It would 'he the sLraight pivot. ~ith oLher an apparent lift, maY',e just a Ii ttle hounce which you see today inrnodern European J ,~/ films. A very definite ahrupt motion, coming entirely ..o,f· th~ lower part of the hody, with very little lift. fhose are the general 3 app roaches used. I VJould like to say rnothoc11c lly to this, thntfor o.ny way of te[~,chingyou shoulcl use one or two i +;wo is nlready "ettor thun one, sinking in the pivo:", definitely somethinc that does fit in with your tenchiY4': sequence lnter on. DeCftn: e if yon nsc ollly t,ho sinking motion it will not tie in with the \1'(' lift latter on in the \, stem christie. Personally I feel that all t.hree of them have their place. As you all know, themore exercises you use in teL',ching the more in te-resting it is for all our pupils. One thing you have to o You have to 1-,e careful that the~r dOB't Get mixed up. If ;you use morethan one approach. Andhere is 8 500~ place to say it could he safer to use one end then add another one a Ii ttle higher up the way) In order to avoid confusion, I),ny conments to christie up hill. A " traverse christie up hill. I think those three thin s cover it more orless.' l'here is one attid.ue on for this it is a maneuver or ezerol to he used with the up or down, t is is more important wpen you develope ',' ! ' I, t d, I (, \ 'i ~ ~ .-, ' this in the fall line chris tie hecar:se more of t'he {}h'o-t04 elemmnts of a /' ! :,1,: k' ". full turn ore there. 'hut if your teaching the lift as the end of the ~rn then the s inkinc (10wn iomore npproprin t,e. l\V. ';'1ell as you know it is a fxxx impossi'llty to teach a full angle and you all know we use a, I don8t know what you call it here, you can take a slope you know, carve it up nicely, traverse, little steepe Ii t tIe steeper, then the fall line and. the s arne thing the 0 ther way. Rieht. Lhen you get some sort of a pattern. 'Rut I don't see any reason this pattern up there should. "e any different than theono from theTall line. ~ecause you are looking for the same results only to a d.iffer entllegree. Unders tand that· Thats wat I meant when I s aid you have to 'he a little careful ofthevariut ions oi'thoex.e (mt1on "" y int,roducng them, ""eCause it depends on what we do lr,tter on. Therefore, we teach theone with the lift, in our school the lift. And we make no hones ahout it that there is n difference. A difference in motion and J a difference in muscle movements in our "ody. QU8Gt. Vihy can't you \ " eleminate that thine; of' up motion v/hieh \wunlly corneD' efore n. " '\ ;,ransi tion and. \',hen your Le .'ching that do your wec1lingardeln.nd to get your down up down .P.V. ;'-ven then you cftn hnve two motions. In a 'iledlin Garlond you can do it wi th ft sink, .Y ou c (!n do it vii Lh !:1 lift. Q.l£ither way you have [l,n up down. r.v. Up <lOVIn ye3. Q. My po¥:kint is teachine down up down in !:1 finish of a up hill christie its not in a up hill christie, andits only in a Lransltion turn that you have to chf-lnge your vie icht on your e<lce. P. V. Then what , novl wait, you see what I am dri vine at is this, an up motion and . ] a 81n\:i11(;' motion Ilre nol the 3' An 1 ' • dIae. d cannot produce the same results.Q. All you want to do i eo ' 1 1). V.Hot .) re ease the ddges. necessarily •. 1'his is not tl exac y mrue, hecasue in I an upmotion on the to f . am in p 0 the r1se , with n s Ii ~ht rotnton r I turn the ski. And then the () my h1.p heel thrus t comes 1 ·tt Q.that RhOUt heel thrust. a er on. transition p V I d . • •• on' t claim this started wi th a Itis finished vith h 1 I a ee thrust. This here is a heel thrustnow t t ose are not the same thing,s •.~- nt·I re 1 y not. You can produce it that wa.y. l'ut as lin 1nLroductlon, n:J II llleLhotlcn.l nppronch 1n a complete christie it can '1-,e used, see what I mean. The methotical appro[lch. Wedon't teach the heel hrust until vie come to the wedlin. Your name please.?? Q. ;,'e teachtheheel thrust in the advance snow Dlow turn then we also teach it in the up hill swine """y steppine up and thrust. steppine up thrust. Like t 1il.is. p.V. You have heautiful hip rotaton on that one. Q. "':el1 thats "8.sicall theideu. ~ut'then if you put it, Its really toflat to do it good here, hut then when ~·ou put it traversing, down motion, its necessary to release edges just sa slicht reverse of the down hill shoulder, in your down. P. V. I don't think there is any use we argue this for anot,her half an hour, we have done that quite extenSively and I personally thin~ to he frank ah out it "m:tx either appron.C h cn.n ~ e appllecl ' utI pe r'sonnlly definitely see a definite difference in the two. One 1s n christie up hill one is a heel thrus t or a '-reak. I don't want to pu t them in the Snme pan 911d cook it for hnl1' on hO\lT [1n(l nnmo 1 t, t.ho :111ll\(l thin 6 As I said "efore, we should une "oth "'oC~Lm.~O hath .t'orrnshnvc thoir pinoos Lets just elahoratore. that far. Its just as definiately p08si',le that I do the same t ing from the fall line. I s till can produce ,[ chris tie hy sinking alone. No wait, Let me talk first. One at a time. I caid I vl-G·n.:-t_. to e leah orate. I c'ot the floor Ie t me finish. \';ha t I applied here is What I did in a sinking motion. I make Lnrnn like thjs j!!.5-20 7 years ogo. Down forward dirve on your ski tips and hope for the ~est. And it worked. ',';emade parallel :;hristies allover thei1ill. Across the fall line with a forward dive there wnsno lift. Just drop and let her n[i=c;k:: ;Hw:o -. ::L 11 £ .-- \ ! I showed three forms in the ~eginning. ','hree forms. Heel thru3t, ,,' \ : sinking and pushine. Displacing of the heel. I shovled the one wi th the ~\).. . lift. Vsea slight rotat: on, sL1k and push. And i showed 1.;he ones you see today and some '.,,;; ~l"which is a hiCh s.Lance rH'1Xm pivot. you simply snap Lhe skies I1rouncl. i'lot much of D. visa']e way at, all. Those areth~ three that are present and. I said said' then, make sure that you use theone that fits ~ou~sequence. Alrieht lets keep going. \ \, \ Today it is all more andmore a i;r'elaxed form of skiing thru a hieh explosive quick [lction to the end. VIe will come to that when we come to parallel Rnd the different approached to thnt. Alright now stem ,t (','~'. " , , turn. There" a.re two sehools of throguth. NEX One is to pick up the skies clean the tllEll otheris to keep yout"sld in line wi th your, t ' t 08'. ~_,'\,' , ,.' , 1 It seems pretty apparent that the snow conditions have a lot to do wit~ it. If you are on a good slope a sliding motion is as good as any if you are on soft snow, and even later on a stem christie even a good skier is tempted to put the ski out a liltle ~i t hitu, h so he doesn't .uo :e·t c nuhet. One nppronch, c1efin11ie stfllldnp; of 'tl1.e up hill ski one appr03ch, terminology t once more 'eC8.use I have ~een asked, once again, if you s ',em one ski i tB a s Lem if you s+em ~oi;h skies its f'. snow plow. InLernaLion recoe-nition of "oth phases, it is wron",: to call a stem chriL;Lie ' •. hen yo· U8e 'oLh ;lLics ~u t of course you c an use : ' •••• as a stern christie usin~ this ski. As lone ns one s].:i i f, illvol vell its n s l,orn us illi: ' a th i Lo n snow plow. And there fore lead.s La 8. snov; plow chri:::; tie which is taucht in many schools. Q. Does it have to 'l-,e simaltanious to stem with hath skies to 'he a snow plovv christie. P.V. '['hats rieht. Don't tell me you stem "'oth, one and then the other. Q. c~'hen thnt is stjll [' stem christie. F.V. Yes, that is still a stem christie.It is a crooked one 'hut it is still the su,me. You '2ay, as I said "efore, the terrnin ology does it on the strrtine. not on any position, "ecause very often you arein a posi Lion that applieD very dlfforont tfH'rnfJ. r,e do "-reak down t.he different parts Ilnc1 t hen try to assem"le it cccordingly. For one reason or another, most schools seem to per€er th start on the en~ O~f a turn just as we do most of us as in a stem chris tie. Anrl then 11il(1 i 1, up and Chen look for a finished pDoduct. This definitely is not a method in i~present form and it is very often proved in ski inst. ex['m, you asked them to go out and do a stem christie and they go out a produce a complete turn. Ho inSiroduction no exercises no nothinc. A pupil certainly can not learn a turn in this form. Anything else to stem turn. I think then we covered that its the differences are very' slight and are mainly visi1,le in the firs\phases of the turn. • •• Up hill ski steroing throuchout wiLh one very smooth motion shifting of the weight ~o the steming ski Alright then Ie ts eo in 1,0 s Lem chr is tie. Alo t. af schools ;,oda.y teach what they call a snow ,plow christie. And so do we 'ut we only Leitch ~t\\: ,~ it from the fall line. I tried to~'~ •• \)~; the confusion "et..ween stem ing one ski and two skies au t, of Lhe traverse so ~pproach is a lot of side slipping and christies into the hill from a steeper 'InC.le do !leain, in Lh~~ II Ui1C)V[ Il.lO\\' ehrL: Lie. G',i.I'n. other two forms that we showed in a christie up hill also apply to this. You come out of a hiGh relaxed position, sink a '-it or you can just stay where you are ana jUf3t turn the skies. Here aenin, you have those three forms which we have elresdy shown in an uphill christie. ux:t noth accepta'hle and "oth certainly all three can ""e used as a met odieal 3,ppro!3,ch. Ana very hap:nily or very likely they might just fit the individual. ~ -·.---'-----:=------_c.u •. ---••••••• 2. H That doesn't seem Lto "e a"'le to grasp the other one. Generally I think it is entirely wrong to put ;yourself in a rut and say this is the only way it C.';l,n "'e done. l'eclmically we do that. 1,Ve want a defini teform we want a defini te produc t. Me t/\ odic ally I don't think it should 1-.e done. This lesson is up to the imaeinn,tlon of theinstrllotor. Q. Would you say what you think is the d.isatvantaces of noth, the upper stem and the lower stem and the snow plow for the stem christie. F.V. Like in most other sports, it "ecorne· a (]Ue~1t.jon of mnj;ion. The tendency today is to do it in the easiest posi"lp- form. I think at least for my money, to teach,an *stem is harder that to teach an uphil s tern. To s tern the lower ski se tt ill!~ is much harder that' teaching the up hill stem 'ecause we are still in a phase where most pupils are s till slow moving. 'Ilhey still hJ-ve to produce gentle forms, not so much explosive form8. therefore, Lhe motion 01' I (VI: ~"\"t" •. , /_ '" , ~ , this s-±ow uphill stem ski ixx leanine into the turn makes i$ easier ,thrust, setting loolcine for a platform that we do later on to get o1;f into the turn., A snow plow is hit'~'h1y d.lsputn1-.1o when you are on an icy slope. necause "'y distrP,uting your weight on noth edges you loose ±±.a certain amount of ~ite which you have when only usinG one. You can hold this edge and get prepared in all kinds of terrains I1ni surf! ces which you v/ill not "e o.',le to do if you do this. The momcn t yon alld e Lhc lov/(~r nk 1 11, han qul to a tendancy to kee:;:> sliding. Q.ln faster skiing ~ac8;eeper slopon isn't it more difficult for them to sLem Lhe uphill ski than to open "'oth of Chern. I).V. I think tJw.;, r;oes 'noJc to "n~,l(~ Dchoolinr:. 1 lion'L say that somethlnc: i::) wronC. I suid in Lhe tech1lical demonstration there mi{Shthe fJ. pupil that defini tely cmmot stem the uphill ski 1Lethofdically we should use every phase we have got in the final deviate evouGh to products hut don't ~8-€ thEm:: confuse them. UnCiersl,aI1Ci what I mean. You see its the same thine [tS some',ody said. la~' t night. I run into a heauty They call this a dO'J.'·le a" stem. Gentlemen. lhis is not a (!ouhle fJ.h stem. $ a = Q. That is what they used ~;o call il. 1).V.Yes, they might call a dou~le parallel a dou~le stem. This is sinFle a~ stem, this is a dou'hle a~ ~3Lem. I am gcLLinl~ Lhir::;Ly. Villo WI),TI',n to do tho i,n.lkJIlf~ now. Q. C8n I 'hring a paint out. At the symposium at ~hi~e Pass in the IJorthwest :Divi ion last week in relation to the upstem and m down stem the down stem or 8,'h stern as you rall it,has a tendency l-,ack years e.~, and I think that hurt the ArY"'erg technique more than anything, s teminG was always done "y pushing nnti the we igh t never got on to the ski • hY.thats what most of them did, they sternad that ski out l-,ut stayed on the up hill ski. They weren't suppose to 'hut they would always do it. So ~y using the up stem with the proper l-,ody position you eliminate one movement you know the weicht is on tho down hill ski were on he d own hill s:~em nine times au: of tern t;hey won 1 t ge tit on the down hill s 1.,em. ':'hey won 1 t ge t a pln. Lform. So tho. t is ' ~~tS ically If YOll don 1 t have a pood [)la ;,form, ne i therone of them arc any eood. ~u \., the theory then too, doini'; an a' stem especially wi1..h a 'eginner their timing is wrong ix they will holt!. it to long anll they will loose the ir fall line anll come to 0. ;; top then they have to step around to get started again. P.V. r;ill you :please come forward and state your TW .. me. Q. no'h l-,eck. Horthern Hoc}:y Mt. Ski M3sn. 1'he point I Vloulrl like to 'hring ~up an(l I am sure all of us hnve seen i \; is the 'hcginrwI' goinC down the hill who has had no instruction as apposed to what ha'S 'heen stated here, the DosiLion of n'" ::0,ming, you hove noon a thousand of them doine this. ~; t.nrt dO'Nn t FlO moun Lain f1TI(l they "renk this vlay. How :,hi8 is no' hnro to do this ::md not n. hnrd position to get into in everyone can do it. nrcnk up here. There pushing this ski down, ·,·;i th ;~his i(l en, now why csn 1 t you say now you have cot this posi tion, now relax in the YJlee, slip this ski out here, and yOil have got, this "'reak. You havse-ot every thing you need to go 1'ack to the old. a" stem. That is my point. F.V. ~ow the main thing here is fear of the slope. we shift our weight • J\ccordin'J: to this our B Lem Viili~uCh smaller. This time I sink when I stem the skI, come up, turn an(i fl.nish. Then continue the motion. Q. I think the only difference perhaps in the way we teach a ""ecinning stem christie we teach ""ody movement in a dOVIll slope movement. Nov; we teach a Ii t tIe more in the "eginning phases, a lateral movement to he.ve the skirlinp; come sooner tothA out si(le ski. See whal, I mean. pv. neg-innine; ;1\'em chrisLie. You don't hold you stem to the fall line. Q. Hot in this phase. 'I.'e want themo to come out sha.rper. pv. Genera.lly speaking it is pretty ohvious you will admi t the speed is according to the sno';: l'li'fEx offered you There are a lot of othe r forms that you have to ad.just the skiing that your runnine on. l'he finished produc t is showed. q. In the standard form you close at the fall line, actually the firstone you close at the fall line, the next one your close on the fall line and the finiched on you clor~o ""eforo tho fall 1 ine. pv. Rih t. 1.: thero any school that teuched en entirely different stem hhristie. Q. I know of some. pv. That is true. ~ut as you know I only thought that some""ody here would demonstrate the final form and may""e one or two f:i.md: exercises l-.eCf\use we hn.ve to s tart scraping n Ii ttle '. it and I know 8. 10 i, of you 8.re jut: t, nr: in\,(~rc;: Lea in ('\. pnrnllcl n.ncl a short ~wing tho. t is goinc to c orne ins t.encl of ru' "" ing this thing around any loneer. Q. In the meU.oclical approD.ches, we haven't eot J into any exercises preceding a stem christie. r.v. llot nIl the exercises. This is ano I;her me thad ical Dj) pronch. How t ere c amos the question, what is tho finished form you are lookinc; for. You use the pole in the finished form or don't you. You see. Some do. Some schools use the pole right down to the snow plow. I heartily disagree, ""u t as lonG' we keep the pole th the m thodie al a:pproE'~eh and not a crutch, take the poles B.way from the pupilo once in n whlle when you find. that 75 % of your pupils do ""etter without the poles than when they have the poles in their finGers. If gives them certain freedom Rnd certain I '. e lieve we have t.o es tal-. lish fl. nn turl11 9 'J.1his usually e08 s 'hac k to the 'hcginnc rs slope. You see, if you ge t a pupil who is rel~axed, in the normal position t can eo on a terrain which is up to his' [\hility. If we get a pupil on a run on a:'j! Do terrain that is not up to his a'hility and. a Ii ttle 'hit 'heyond his a'hility to early these defense posItions will come in. There will 'he no que~tion a~out it. It justhappens. Q.I don't 'helleve that the up, s 0em here is the normal posi tion, "-ecause then he is ,'-raced up to the mountain, P.V. Yes 'ut if he is goinr to fall he will come out of it exactly the other way. Look like this, now don'L let him allow to rotate the '-ody 'ecause L.he - ody is not 'I.'eing moved 'hy the momentum of the run, will ~e, Q. I am not opposing thatpoint. The point that 1 am ropposing here is the initial remark made a"'out the a'h stem 'l.,eing hard to teach and I definitely think it has a part in skiing. P.V. I XREXR never learned it, I never skied it and if 1 had to produce it I would really have to e onsin tru to. I c an produce all other kinds of' thinGS and tricks just "'y s±6At sieht unseen I feel like I lmow it 'hut this I, never learned it. Result wise, you will have to aeree that If i :a..on'·t want to turn down the slope why do we turn up hill firs t. r,'e have an answer today of course, the parallel. 'ihen your uphill nnd yon. try 1'1 J'P-verne shoulderposition in 8n a' stem, then you t.:rf0fi:h~'vl position 8f,ain in a different position entirely again.Q. I would like to see you demons tr"a te a "(ery "egim1ing s tern chris tie. Then advanced stem christie.pv]'rankly, you have to admit that a stem christie is one of t e most'important phase and is definitely one of the forms that the averace school learns.Now on he nter'1 eh:r'h:tle, we U~lO n different fythem thzla thn.n in the finishecl procluct and we call this d'\~i \~-,' the stem christie. 1:;hen we 'tUrn the ski out we stay in a hieh position we don't sink. ';;e stay inx wny l1ir~h position we (1on1st flktn, we nink in the fall line, then go. Now in the finished product, with a litLle more speed involved, we a'.'e not loo}::ing for the snow posi tion in the fall line position a.t all, ·therefore VIe keep O'lr ' ody in moLion a.nd .J.... \.1. ". ! • 'halance. And I don't want my pur:'ils to llepenci on ne polen to much. Q.Can't we solve - ~,\ this l~y sayin,s;, \ the t:hx stem christie in the "asic thing, we are teaching a stern garland which we use the uphill stem and can't we clarify this hy saying inasmuch 8S we are teaching this stern garla.nd, we can teach the stem chrl13tie with an uphill steib. p,., I./ pv. No not necess8,rily. ',';e are not h.e.a,r to say vrha t has to ,~ e a,one we want to see thepupil gets a methodical approach in the finished product and we use what ever we can to get our finished product. /,.j and to do this, this iswhat is happening the"divisonal level alre [?,dy, that we ge t closer to ge ther land streamline our teaching in a more technical form w .. ich we all should do alike. Q. I agree, 'hu t \iha t 1 am trying to s r:.y is, ( Sorry, end of tape.) 3rd. tape. I would rather have a slight turning motion aGainst the turning ski already there 'hecause in this form this i8 del'lYl!ttely VlhaL Vie are A}.AJtJ doinG'. 'NE change the shoulder not 'hefore the turn 'hu t durin,:,- the turn. Q. Now why is thisnot done in a stem turn. pv. Let me finish, ple ase. '['he ski turns one way the shoulder turns the oppos i te way /l( \/"' ((1 ) ,<'Ifi I' keeping the center of our hod.y in '\.'alA-nce. 'l'hi[~ uJJl(ll{)w8Y-~)\1 to ski dOVin a 'humpy course just playing around. nec ause if you turn you ski this way and you shoulder the opposite way, then whether or not .your skies respond doesnot make ,a darm ',it of difference.Your oLill , ( on top of them. Q. Nowwouldn'ti'he more logical to ski the same way in a stem turn and a stem christie. pv. If you do it, you should have to force your self to do it. A certn.i:l nmonnt of the Rction of t.ho ski is.r:'hsolutely natural. "But of course, heee we corne again to the phhse that we discussed, now you cannot all the sudden exJpect your pupil to do some thing he never done 'hefore. YOll seeVlhat I me an. ~4,JJ./../ You can s-ay this in-the turn, therefore, we Cf'n stf'rt it in this POS~i tion, 'hut in the parallei(j~'~~r '~ody posi tion would 'he entirely different. So you will have to go way "D.ck down, ami "\lild iL up Q. 'Nhat I wnnt to get at here, is Lho 10/.;icnly UO(lu.oncc here in the development here how do you overcome this, what is the exeroises pv. '/.'e try to have a se quence in our te::ching. wi thou t to much of an a'hrupted change in our skiinG' How tAere is a diference. Now the Stein :2rickson motion is certainly the norInal seq',lence to it. I think it is just as di~,ioul t a form as I have ever tried my self. neca.use 0. very I p~~ people can rotate into the slope like this or reverse with out having t'he lower ski swing away wi th them. You oome up and try it. Come 011 up some one try it. Q. :My explanation to keep continui ty of the shoulder action in this turn'~in the 'hreak down t;hru steming into paralleLof course , so 1'-<t' he stem turn )the up hill ski, you chunee lead and also the shoulder movement and when you do a jump christ ie you change the shoulder position and your lead in the air. the pv. You have 'he gun , no ac tllally you dElRJ'J. don't. c}\ anf~e thele ad ski un 1;11 you start. Well now you see here. This is a hiehlylegit4mtte prO'hiem here when you come to the different sequences of tenching. Q. In themany years I ha.ve heen an examiner, we have always ~een very disapointed in the ahility of the people to tench JI!.llJ1l. purall~l skiinC. They are great on stern turns, which you don't wanL people 1,0 do ony \'. DY, you. don't want them to do it all the time, ' u t. then when you want them to corne to the t~ans i tion, eve ry .... ody says you d,on' t w¥i:A ~--Qiftt -k\ move the shoulders. You tnke it from there. ? pv. Tteor~ticallY, even if the shoulder is ••••• it is only a 'hlock"ZI'hecause of the action down 'helowso you could even hold the reversing against your motion.If you move tho ski, it is tho sta'helizer, you wouldnot have that.)you oouldnot turn ,",ack.ln every division you have a parallel ski) though we do have to have a way to teach it, '"'ut in the turn of the continuity of n. pnrl1llel \'ledeln turn this •• i'.. is not '1-roken cl own at nll.ltis 8, smoo 1,h Ino i; ion. You c anno t ) now I think the only way to turn it up is at the fall line.At the fall ~ line the 'hody is at the right 8.ngle and as ~TOU turn here, you have a slicht reverse, you have a shoulder more or less here. 11. and you have to huilcl it up from there. I think in a moment we come to parallel skiint"S. Now we ski J)nrallel ou L of the traverse posi tlon )1 we hring our pole in, and thisis enough preparation to get in a right posl tion. You wedlen that way too. You see the difference. 1/1here is the sequence. ':his is ver;! similar. 1,';e use the pole \,h13 VJo,y. Anrl that' way. See never wi 1,h I,his. Now parallel. };OW we do that and then the uphill stem and get into position for the preparation and get in position for our turn .Now all we do for the prepara~ion is this. Q. ~.ow aeain, I do not chanee the shoulder posi tionf Until I change the foot position. The foot position is not chaneee.. until after the unwe':'ghtine. Sothe movement of hringing the polo forward is done with the arm movement hut not a change of hody position. pv. If you hrine thepole in this way theway most pf you do in wedlen, your position is likely •• :' •• ~this weight is Inthe center und Uliu nIl goos \'lJ,ok to the first. You got the sinking motion, you got the lift or the • • • • l;ow 1 think'those forms have a defini Le use and a defini, e place. ,~ I personally do not say that one of them alone is way makefl you happy.There a re a few pro'hlems on every slope, in all snow and in the steepnes30f the terain.'l'here is a slil'>;ht ro Latlon, mainly t.o die pivot, hut he is a lit tIe more on Lhe tips 1..11n. 1.. Doug Pfiffer. Theoretically, 1 think most of the schools todn.~T use the hop to the wedlen • Now a sli~ht hop to it with a displacement of the skiesin the J hack. Do it again. stay riGht down there. HOI) to wedlen. See they move to the side very ensy. Actually Lhe ski turns over to the tip. nut we seen so far, suggests that you can turn over the tip, hut you c an not turn over the tail end. ',':hy should ~hc })oor pupils try to wreck their legs .1 didnot say it Vla~(:'leChniC[}]JfviSi'hle, "ecause I hav" seen worse that turnin{; the ski over the tail emI "'u t for a te:lching ~.) I'" Ql')rO :ch 1 ::j~;- n·). 'Qut if you drew D ric Lure ,;{OU viill find 90 percent will hit in the 'hinding, l'ut not 'hehind. nut it. doenot c',B,nge the pictures of the forces involved. Q. Yef3 is a_oes. pv. My answer is • - when you stand on a level you are In a riCht angle to the surface you have to ~e in the same positiov when you ~o into a steep siliope if you are, your head ""eine way off the'~ind. t.he resulting of the line of the center of gravity will "'e "etween the "inding and -{- :~ tip and not the ' ind ing any more. If you try to ,v1 jU:J t YOllr posi t10n and hit the "inding your skins will go out from under you. If you can hang on in this position, your legs are stronger than mine. I mean this is just the easiest explanation if you ever run into this. If you are on a steep slope you ~ody should he on a rieht angle to the slope. Then you are relaxed,. Q. 'llhis is true, ""u t also when you come to demonstrations, I think Paul. I may have misunder stood you, ~ut you s aid it is very difficult to teach turning from sitting on the heeili.pv. Not henefical to any thing. That is my opinion. '1'he pupil is i,n a 'haok stnnce 1,0 ~e~1n wl th .An(l whllt; do Vie do to get them out of it. Q. J would say in powder snow, or in hea.vy pack 9r deep powder • pv. VIe already agree that we ndjust our running position to the terrain of snow involved. The only thing tha t 1 Vlould like to mf),ke c] ear is thn. t the eenel.'nl o,ppronch I to ski teaching I think it is a highly delted-te sUhject. Q."Rut again paul. here we are some of the hest professionals in the world or in this country anyway and we spend our time doinG detail analysis of things which are transitional anyway You cant keep a pers on in a snov; plow turn forever, and we could 8n~lysi$- these things until thehlood drops OUD of our ears, eye a.nd, nose , pv. well, what do you w8nt to [malys is. q. well, when we r;e t to the advanced things then all you do is this. pv. when I carne to \.hi8 meeting. I said. to ..-) Kurshaugh"'. for three years all I d.id w~'s parallel, wedeln and there was a need for it '\.ecau~;e there were a 10L of "oys who havent seen it and didn't know how to go a"ou1, it and so , why should we just ~ring it to them those in smaller schools, '\.ut were does the cash c orne in, why should we spec iali ze '.'"hen vie do one se quence 'vvhen the money js mf'dc in {he four t'Ync1eG in our ~;Jd ;:ch()I)l , J)' J ;: and if we thlnk in 'heyonc1 us Lhf'n we sho1l.1d d h~C\l8S there pro'h lemD or I think we are highly mis taken. ';'hats all we did for thelas t three ye aI'S and I made, an effort to ge t aW8Y' from it. If it was wrong then I take the 'hlpme for it. ~ut we did nothing 'ut that. Q. That is true l)a,ul, How the idea here is for the s tud.ents who can make a fairly good parallel when they eet in deep snow, the o'hjecti first is of course if it is really deep, is to get the tips up. This you do 'hy getting a platform, rather than ~.~~ e.n edge. You shoudd drop down here withou~ releaseing your edges,in the turn your heels eo down, you tips come up. Now the next pro~lem is to get the head of the skies into the turn, and with out a lot of power. l~ow that is down 'hu-rsimply letting the weight 'hack like tmc this here. Thats all it is incluc1 ing.Q...ohn,nge of· edge. P.V. Yes, now you see what happened here. I've seen you s1:i many times and I have never seen you have as much trouble xa as you did in those three turns. You say that greater resistance you have the more you have to sit on the tail end of the ski. Now if I ski like this. Q. No, not that. P.V. You try to move the tips, I Lry Lo move the tail. You see. Now that is a different approach 'hecause if I go 'hack and I have toturn down the hill I incrtease the resistance acainst the ski~ aea:Lnst the ski , then when you get 'hack into the turn thats when the ski doesn't e.R.t let go when you turni~. When there is to much pressure in the tail end of the ski) I think even in the deepes t, pow del' n,nd I como) from where ther'e is deep power and I used to do a lot of exe1"cises without the' enefit of a me tal ski) that you can still ski a natural s t.em and. ye t you feel a certain s tr~lin in the upper pn.rt of your lees 'l-·ccu.use ~y nature you compensate against that increased friction. You com pensate for it. nut to diffin4elY state that you try to pull the tip out of it I can't see it. Q. Viell, this is the way I do it and I think there is a lot of other people that do to and mind / ... you, you don't c e:tnh -t.1:tI.rr, the 1 ongo r L II r' w; • 1:. V. ~u l is i i "e t, ter thon whn I. on a steep slopeyolJ. increase yon WP nre ~oin~. I Gny no. Q. I soy SIIt'cc1 (lec\ldedly ('_,0 ,( ~r\'C t,l'i \! ) P.V. I say if a 1'8.cer is going down 'uhe slope and "';~ and he wan t..s to f~e t f1 p;a te, he is s tri vin,o; he is going at high forvl8rd, right. Q. do it and Jr. (Ioen tS and ~l() do fJ 101, of' other poople There is no use quarline a' out it. QQ. ,hen'renk it off. dri vinf: at is the final res~ll ts. If for my money I P. V • All I am ~ ~{'HI;';' {'L," to have a certain amount of tip($;:.us.hing t' want to make a turn I have if I am racing a,nd want to ma1ce a g'1te. If I dont, the ski up front will 1-,e to loose, the grenter tho speed the more I am going to drift away from that inside track. When you enter a dlrnxx turn you go forward that allows you on 4J; end of the turn to go "ack. Now Who. t I am referrine: to is th'l,t you showed he end, what you shonld have showed was the se quence. llow on the end of 1 t. I Know 1 L comes out like this. Q. Now there is a difference there Pnul. lhere were three things involved. p.V. The first two were excellent. 1-,ut the third I think was a little contiversial.Q. The third it was spelled out, v',as theoretically that this waF; the ltastest 'Nay to go into a turn. ~ijell that L; good that we hnd this out. YouKnow your position ['nd you know mine now.VJe have a nice discussion. I just want to wrap it up 'hecause we hrtVe to go d.own now. Now ski fas t.. and 'he careful. There is now hurr,~ '.'fho is goinC to leo.r1 clown • fape tI 2nd side: The mthodical part that we have La adjust our teaching and explanation to fectors that jnvolve fill those turnD. Is there nny 'I.'ody here that produces an entirely different stem t;nrn. You only do tha.t on the end of the metLodical part or I think some of it will come out in the methodical part. So we can eo through the teaching end of if at the same ~ime. It saves duplica!ion. Any questions. If not we will close this phase It has '3en a technical demonstration, a finished product 0' out the form that you expect when the candidate comes to take an exam. We asked for fOl1r linked turns of some sort and we want the finished product. Alright I still need the demonstrators. At this time we will x:txE.x start right of frolJl were we left off. O,K, Mux, Make a strll.ieht snow plow and stem only one ski. Now we go to the methodical part. correction ,of ExC'rc ise is he ine used for mcehcddao.a. errors. Vlh.'l. t do we do in order to get a different position. No. I personally don't like a snow plow, from a traverse. You see, I wanted fl snow p10w. In tho fall line ~ut you will stem only one ski. One of the often seen mistakes. You see, one will track, the other will plow. 'J'hats it. Alright ~< ~ I'8!I'liJi:;, produce the same thinr: in the 1'nll line. One trfl.ckinr:, ono plowine. Alri~ht now, this is one of lhe~nsic pro' lems when we start a skier out in a snow plow. It is very evident, that Max did it going across hut when ~ill did it going strniRht down, it is evident that J he is entirely on one ski. In the '\.,eginner in the snow plow class we face that pro'\.,lem '\.,ecause every skier has a favored_ leg and its natural that you can follow this all the way through his skiing Thats were that famous~ good turn comes in. lhe other side is zero. So his weif;ht is mainly one ski, fUld this produces this form. Don't come up any hiGher. ;.;tay rif;ht down Lhere. 1 only stay up here now '-ecuusee.veryone C811 see '-etter fI.n!l ever,v one cnn heDr 'etter. 'To get a pupil out of th18 p,tt"onc ninon nldin",: ~~ll()W plm' e:r ilnV(1 put more wieieht on the ski that is trRckin~ strni~ht. In order to do f, ('1"\' this turn around in a snow plow ;Jtanding still.rut them in a snow plow facine straight down, make sure the skies are in x the same ,'.J angle then tell that you know hi~ right leg is the good one, tell them to put a Ii ~tle more weight on t.he left ski. Try to force tho.t ,t I-left ski keep thnt heel pushing. Get a strict em:nhasis on that and even if he tries to go in to v/ha t he did 'efore , keep after him and his trou'-les will ' e over. O. K. ~ill, An.y 0 ther me thodical approach to get some'hody ouL of this mistaJ::e. Yes you can change your weight 'hE-sically. You coulel do it ""'yedging.No not entirely. You see what happenls. -:Coday we want to control the edge position from the methodical pOSition. Less and less schools teach their pupils to operate wi th the ir ankle. 'l'he knee and hip whioh e1 VOl) you more ~\,C'( ttC!V leverage to the edge 'hut never the ankle. The leg from the knee dOWl i'\.:'o·),L should ~e straight. If you ~ a modern high 'hoot, you couldn't even use the ankle if you wanted too. It d,efini tely is edge control in it and I feel that vie approach it in n 'ody position we are safer thQn we are safer that if we ~}1y start ~J, "'eginner around plnying with his edges. Q. Paul, I myself am completely opposite. p.V. Yes I noticed that in your first demohstration there, which was a"'solutely straight edge. Of course as I say, you can nse every approach in the 'hook now why don't you start out in that one sided stem and show how you do it. Q. ~e don't teach the snow plow in t.he early stages as a 'hrea.king manuver.The snoVl plow is used to oddly enoueh to develope side slipping and we do that with a diferential exercise side sli~ . s 0 that the puptl nc tually Ie arns to ~JaS:.W 'hefore he Ie arns to snow plow. Of course there is variaLions of this .P.V. Of course this can 'he done • ( there is some cut out of her. ) It has 'heen 'hrought out with different snows that use a up and dO'v'1ll motion, snow plow turns, is a definite sinkinr, when you turn up. See l up) t'trn, sink. into your firr;Vexecu1;ion, t,hn1. c1ofJnidl.ely developes \'., ,,,~,.V..".''h7 ,en r! ou~ go ~ tJ" JI I, ,. f '"IY') \' '" FI ry .. the.m. As yon 8,11 ren.li 7.e (: 'f; that ryLhl'lm is a very importo.nl. thine; in skiing. For the snme renson 8S ~,he me thon icn1 nnpronch we use more 14 and more linked exercises in teachint;. In sLeDd of makinr; a christy up hill if Vie have the proper slope ,vie mil~h t ms,ke two. J ouay ~;~il if you have the roo¢ and the plnce to do it, it is very aQ.vnntageo\ls to use this exercise in sequence. Of course you have to go 'hack to ~ snow l)loVl were we are, it is very se loon that we te ach a sintSle snow plow today. Vie certainly tec;ch a straight snoVl plow and we micht ad~a turn one way on the end hut mostly it is much hetter if you hnve a natural run out and if you don't yoa all know that a pupil gets into a very tense position and he will not rela~ and the results /: is always 'had. \','e have to make every effort po8"i ',Ie in the 'heginning of ski teachine; to mll]<:c the pupil relmc and thoye shoulc1n' t, 1'0 ono ski school area thHt doe~lll't have a natura.l run out. In my opinion this,is a'hsolutely '~asic. If they get into those cramped, up positions they will i-e there for n long time. Any thing in a snow plow turn. Any entirely different execution and methodical approach. Q. Does ') any',ody still ~xxxHXte!lchi~xx: n wind up flwlng nplll'oHOh. P. V. In a *snow plow. Q. No all the way through. 1'. V. }'ollow thru with no rotation. Q. I unders:,and Aspen is. Is allY one else. P.V. Would some one m-1[l[XlX demonstrate it. }J.V. This I want to "e frank nhout. Je1nti This is a work house and we want to find exercises and see every posihle form "eing used. It is not a question on weather to do somethine different or not, 'ut when it comes to the method of teaching, we are allowed to use every trick in the hook, no matter were we fincl it, we should tU1e all the forms and exercises to get to their fi.nished product, ' e(~[l.use thereis always a pIneo for UD to use 11. no maLter whnL kind oj' tct:lltllque you do. AllY other. Q. ~~orne of our schools up the Horthwest, up in the .. :·ea1.,tle are a, use it this v/ay. Vie don't use. it this way, we ski in a l10S i tiol so thD.t they use the vlhole \ oay , ' 11 L VIC une Lhe movomcn t, t.h:i.:~ VJfl..Y. Use the movement to the turn, and not sliehtly against t};le turn. l'he reverse. F.V. l'lease demonstrate. What is your name. Don Rtnehart, Pacific HorthVlesi Ski School. P. V. Defini te up and a own rno Lioll. ','he ' oay He tllnlly followed ~,he turn. In her execution there V!asnt Any appCTen t execution in the lean or drive in the outside shoulder tjireceedine the turn. There is one thing which is of course very definite as long as you use an all0"'lllation in your ikkiCS, your own weight is one of tho main steerihg factors. The edge position is the other. You can com- 'l-,ine those two to very smooth execution ana it is always advantag eous in k:e:JQI±l'J6X teaching in this that right fror.; the very heginning v,e try to teuch~ to avoid very explosive motions as least this is my personal opinion. TI,ecause the~' {"et into trouhle in explosive motion. \,fhen the stier hils n 11 t. Ue more oOllJ'idonoe B.nd OUll h8ndle the skies, they can produce these motions all ny them selves. "Rut as you have seen here, and weather there is up down mot-ion or not, you should use a very smoothxIDrrE coordinated motion. Q. We use a very different form in our advance snow plow, we use the heel thru[~t to Get the necessary IUlculaLion. P.V. Fino, now would you please demonstrate What you mean. Go straight down. Yes, it can he done with a heel motion and definite thrusting push from the knee dovln. It is used as an introduction as a motion in ~the sLit Actually we have much less edge position in this' form and the skies are much easier. Theonly thing I have to say on this is that 1 don't think that the heel thrust tho.t slope was any"etter t:md:ill. than this. 'Pecause in order to ge t any resul:,s, you have to have a lot of pressure on it. You heel Lhruflt wns only nppnrent in h the second :kIxx turn, it was not in the first turn. You see, it takes a certain amount of drive to make it really nppnrent. This is 'etLer in a smooth snow plow nut I think this wouldhnve . een hetter for the pushing. Any other approaches or forms. Q. 1)aul, there are two .ideas on edging on traverse. P.V. ~e haven't started on traverse yilt. \\e started snow plow, snow plow turn and. then we eo to trL.verso. You see, I told you we have to take i t p~tce "y piece in order and. if there is any question then we take it [t!, that time. 1! ~ • Q. I would like t.o [I~k ;,[1'. '.l[~lar 0, Clue:; t..ion. 11'1 ruL;,rd Ing a anow plowyou were talkinG a' out hip and ankle on edginc, and ahout the ~~ defini te heel thru~~t. On this posi tion is this an v.. .n gulation of the hody or the ankle. ,p.v. _'rhere is two schools of thour;ht First, one is that the skies are turned hy shiftinG the weight towards the turning ski in n smooth fadshion that the eQge is simply natural according to "ody posiLion with the other approach, you get th~ edge control on t.he ankle. You release or increase the anele of the ski in regnrds to the surface we are skiing on. In' oth forms you cnn I1clliove Lho n11d ing of ~ the heel or the slight apparent motion of the heel motion or the heel thrust, ~ut I think that personally I go for the smooth &pproach. I think that the ski edee should always he handled from a 1-,ody posi tio /'~,-~ and not from the ankle alone. Now the reason for this is simply that we feel leverage in the ankle from the leg is not h ig enou(:h thn t latter on in high speed it will not keep the skies from chattering. If you hold ihat edge out of a 'hody position with the stiff line fr(om the ]mee into the ski straight, the angu12,tion on the edge is a 10;' hetter. rrhats why I try to avoid the ankle roll. ~oth approach are he ing used and have a phl~e r$:' me thod ically I think you should use hoth hecause you always find people that '-e ]mock need, and their skies are S imply in like this. 'rhey m8.Y FlS well have skaE5es on. You would he s-ayine roll those [lnkles ouL, roll Lhem in, Il.nd we 'rinr: out those things to you in order to see no matter what form, that you or I ski, what other approach we CI..ln teach them to the 1-,est advantaG~ 1-,ecaase a pupil will always 'l--e an inc.Lividual, and no matter what works on one won't necessarily work all around. Do you want to say something Q. 'rhe edge control should 'he (],Qwn there t in con:rlCntion vii th n. l~OOc) posi tion. Q. V;eight is fine, 'hu t when you move your hody, your knees .'-') move to. P.V. Yes, ~ut I think the •. ! ... out edee control and lutter on the turning power is to our skies, the more we are on con~rol. You see so many t,hin{~s toua.y, t110 young people d.o this, nnc.l Ghey completely forget ahout the edges. They are to fur awny from their .", movSment on their skies. The closer we Cftn do it to our skies, closer to our ankles the more we have control. Our hody must have hnlance, the center of tc;ravi ty • Q. In trav3rse you defil'li Lely use angulation. P.V. It you xu get into a steep frozen slope. A.1ld you try to hold the action on your ankle Blane, ' oy you reDdly get in a '- oiling action. You have to have the ~al~nce of grsYity in the right place and the release in your ankle e.ndknee3 for edee conLrol. I think we need "oth. Any .other ques Lion. Q. Eric Vlindish. Can we take the fU traverse and side slip ri~ht in it.~Metohodically we hashed most -.. .... ~ ..... ,-- of it out hut exercising of course we get into the phase were we do a little more exercisinD of a diferent nature. Traverse, as we said up top, there is not to much technical difference. The final form must of us agree on VIe slightly fnce olIt, our urms ure sliCp.tly angled. up hut we do not (10 this.Forms that have "'een seen in foreign magazin8s and hooks, it is my opinion that " This is the end of tape 1 side 2 • ......&. .....- -------~~~ "IE WILL NOW HEAR FPOM JIMMY JOHNSON, CENTRAL UNIT[D STATES CEPTIFIED SKI INSTRUCTOP: " ON THE CENTRALS PREsnn TI ~1E WE HAVE 147 I NSTRUGifRS, COMPOSED Of 104 FULL. CERTI F I ED, AND 143 ASSOCIATE. JUST TWO YEARS AGO wr srNT TOTHL TWO CLASSIFI,CATIONS A~D THAT TIME ALL THE INSTRUCTORS THAT HAD BUN CERTIFlrD UP TO THAT TI~lE WER£. MAOE FULL, SO THAT THE ONLY ASSOCIATE HAD BEEN 'CREATf:DSINCr THAT TIME. THE COMMITTEE HAD TWO EXAI~INATIONS THiS YEAR. WE HOLD OUR EXAM 'IN THE FALL OF TH[ YEAR., IN DECEMBER., ,. WE HAVE THE PROBLEM OF LAKl MICHlIGAN, SO WE HOLD UNE EXAM ON THE EAST,SIDE OF. LAKE MICHIGAN AND ONE ON THE WEST. ~lT. TELEMARK, WIS. IS ON THE WEST ANP, PT., "IT. I S THE LOCAT I ON OF niE ONE ON THE EAST S I DE OF LAKE M I CH I GAN. PT •. MJ. BEl NG IN MICHIGAN. WE REQulHE A THREC D/,Y PRE-EXAMINATION. \ol[ HC(JUIII.F: AlT I, NUANCe. AT A , THREE DAY PRE-EXAMINATION CLINIC, ANO UE HAD A 2 DAY EXAM. A F I V[ DAY , PROGRAM, FOR CERTIFICATION, AND THIS YEAR WE HAD 79 INSTRUCTORS WHO APPLIED F()R!CE.,RTlrICA1:10~. 33 WERE MADE ASSOCIATES; A LOT OF THEM WERE MADE FULL AND 35 FAILED. OUT .O. F THE ," 79, 8 OF THOSE \.JERE INSTRUCTORS HHO WERE HELD ASSOCIATES WHO WLPE TRYING.FOR FULL., ON SCHEDULE FOR NEXT YEAR IT wiLL BE PARTLY THE SAME. WE WILL HAVE,OUR,EXAMS IN THE FALL OF THE 'rfEAR. ,,'E HAVE HAD THIS f'ROBLEt1 LIKE EVERY DLSEPTION HAS HAD OF THOSE \OIHO WERE CERTIFIED IN THE PAST BEFORE WE. GOT THE POINT OF,ORGANIZATION WE ARE AT NO 1·1 , AND WE HAD FELT THAT REQUI RING ATTENDANCE EVERY 2 YEARS. AT THE 2 DAY CLINIC, AND BY REQUIRING THE DUES TO BF PAID EACH YLAR. THOSE THAT WeRE NO LONGER TEACHING WOULD NOT COML EVERY 2 YEARS, AND WOULD NOT PAY THE DUES AFTER WE GAIN A LITTLE MOMENTEM, AND THOSE STANDING INSTRL'CTORS HHO HAD BEEN CF:RTIFIED IN THE PAST HAD MADE AN EFFORT TO COME TO THE CLINIC, BUT THAT HASN'T BEEN ENOUGH. THiS YEAR WE REQUIRED AND ARE REQUiRING IN THE NEXT 2 YEARS, THAT EVERY CERTlfl[o SKI INSTRUCTOR BE "ECERTIFIED. THIS YEAR viE SAI~ ABOI'T -t THE CERTIFIED SKI INSTRUCTORS THAT HAD BEEN CERTIFIED IN THE PAST. 'r.'E. RAN IN THROUGH AN EXAMINATION MUCH. THE SAME AS \':E WOULD RUN AN APPLICANT THROUGH. HE TOLD THEM HOW THEY WOULD HAVE DONE IF THEY WERE ACTUALLY TAKING AN EXAMINATION THAT WE WERE GIVING THE APPLICANTS AND IF THEY DID NOT MI"ET TH[ r,TANDAI!l)S THAT \-iF FTEL WE HAD lJfVilo"rn HlfY WrH[. GIVI N A YLAII5 PROBATION AND WOULD TAKE THE E.XAMINATION AGAIN NEXT YEAR. WE HAVE ABOUT 14 INSTRUCTORS WHO ARE IN THIS CLASSIFICATION FIlUM LAST SEASON. WE FrLT A NI:ED FOR CREATING MORE INSTRUCTORS, ESPECIALLY IN THE CENTRAL. WE HAVE A PROBLEfl, \,'E HAVE SO MANY SKI AREAS, AND THEY ARE. ALL RATHER SMALL RATHER SHORT SEA~CNS. WE (;AN'T PLACE AN INSTRUCTOR WHO HAS BEEN TLACH I NG E I THLR I N EUROPE OR SOME. OF THE l ARGr:I~ AHLAS I N THE EAST OR THE ~IE5T. THIS SPRltlG Wi' HrLO ? TWO nAY CLINICS, AND INVITftJ /dlYOW .11-10 IS ItlTrprSTffl III BECOMING A SKI INSTRIJCTOP TO ATTf:NO. Wl: HAD API'ROXHIENTLY 20 INSTRUCTORS ATTEND EACH OF THOSE TWO. WE ANTICIPATE THAT A GOOD NUMBER OF THOSE WILL BE APPLICANTS, AND OUR NEXT YEARS CI:RTIFICATION. THATS ALL. w[ ~'ILL NOW HEAR FROt,1 PAUL VELARD. / "<I .. / Itl THE FI RST PLACE ONE OF THE THINGS A CHIEF EXM11NER LEADS. WE RUN THReE ~ EXAMINATIONS A YEAR ONE IN rlEW YORK STATE, ONE IN NEW HAMPSHIR( AND ONE IN VERMONT. SECTIONAL [XAMINATIONS TO FACILITATE THE ~VAILA8ILITY OF SPOTS FOR THE PEOPLE COMING TO EXAMINATIONS. THIS YEAR Wl HAD THR[E I XAM NATIONS •• APPROXIMENTLY 74 APPLICANTS TAKING THE EXAMINATION WITH APP"OXII-H NTLY 24 P/SSING. WE HAVE ONLY ONE GRADE, FULL INSTRUCTOR. YOU EITHER DO IT 01: YOU DON'T. OUR WHOU: EXAMINATION PROCrEDUR[ IS fll"J BY THE PROFESSIONALS THEMSfLVES. THrr,E I S ONE GfNTLFMFN WHO IS TH!: flEPRESENTATIVE OF HIe [ASHRN CERTIFICATION COMMITTLE. HE COMES TO EVERY EXAMINATION, AND HE HAS BEEN COMING NOW FOR THREE YEARS or LONGER. HE SKI IS QUITE WELL HAVING TO LEARN TO SKI IN THE EXAMS. HIS JOB IS BASiCALLY TO TAKE THE MARKS OF THE THREE EXAr~IN[RS AND PRODUCE A MASTERMARK, AND TO KeEP TH"" REST OF US fROM KILLING ONE ANOTHER WHEN WE DISAGREE. WE HAV!: A RALLY EACH YEAR. THIS YEAR WAS AT WiLD CAT. lARG!:ST ONE EvrR HELD. 200 on so INSTRUCTORS THr-RL. IT STARTED OFF WITH DEMONSTRATIONS AND BROKE UP INTO SMALL GROUPS GOING OVI R DlfFLRINT POINTS. THrnl '5 NO CHARGE FOR THr HALLY, THe ONLY CHARGE O[ING rOH DINNEIl IN nil r.VINING. Till COCKTAIL HOUR IS USUALLY DONATED BV THE AREA. THIS YEAR WILDCAT HAVING THE RALLY AND THr DINN[R, BIING AT MT. CONLFY. THERE APE MANY THINGS THC INSTRUCTORS THfM-SELVES EXPRESSrD AT THEIR t1I:rTING, ','HICH INTliRN IS PASSE.!) ON TO HIE AfAATUIlf: CERTIFICATION COMIIITTCE. IF YOU WISH TO CALL IT THAT, BI-CAUSE THEY ARE AMATlJRES. IF THE INSTRUCTORS SO DECIDE, PRACTICALLY A MANDITOflY VOH. ALTHOUGH IT IS RUN BY A GROUP OF AMATURES THE INSTRUCTURS BASICALLY \·/HAT THLY WISH TO MAJOPITY, VOTE IS CARRIED. YOU MUST GO TO A RALLY ONCE EVEIN 2 n.ARS. WHrflE IF YOuR SKIING IS NOT UP TO rAR, BY OBSCRVATION, YOU WILL BE SO GIVLN THE WORD AND TOLD TO 111PROVE, "SHAPE UP, OR SHIP OUT". THiS RCQUIREMENT OF MAKING PEOPLE GO TO A RALlY HAS ALREADY COST US 30 INSTRUCTORS. Go OAK TO ONI P"OALEM vrl,Y QI1ICKLY. WHEN AN INSTRUCTOR GOES TO ANOTHrR AIIEA OR PASS, Hf. USUALLY CARRIES A LETT(R FROM HIS SKI SCHOOL DIRECTOR, WHICH \~ORKS VERY SIMPLY. THIS IS OUR MJSI.JER TO THE QUICK SYSTEM OF US, NG A BADGE FOR A liFT PASS. EACH A' CA HAS THE I R OWN SYSTrf;1, BUT USUALL Y WE TRY MID SI:ND LCTT[RS, AND FOR ANY OF YOUII OUT Hr fH:, I F ANY OF OUR INSTRUCTORS COME OUT, YOU VilLL FIND NEXT YLAR THAT THEY ALL WiLL HAVE LETTERS. IF THEY DON'T YOU HAD [If:TTCR CHECK THE MASTER LIST. THAT Is ABOI)T Dun SET UP. (IUR EXM1INI:RS Am: PAID t20.(;U AND NOlllNAL [XprNSfS. \VH1L! THlY AI.JAY, NATUALlY THE MORE THE EXPENSE. THAT IS TRAVeLING EXPENSE. (SPEAK(R) You MENTIONED LACH TIME THAT CLINICS HAVE TO BE ATTENDED BY MEMBfRS AT LARGE. DOES THIS ALSO REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE TAUGHT DURING THE YEAR IN ORDLR TO REMAIN INSTRUCTORS IN YOUR ASSCCIATION? (ANSWER) No. THEY DO HAVE TO GO TO THE CLINIC rVI RY 2 YEAI'S, BECAUSE THI"R[ AR[ TIMES WHEN THEY WILL NOT TEACH IN THE YEAR. THEY SUDDENLY DECIDE THEY ARC GOING TO USE THEIR COLLEGE EDUCATIONS, AND THEY TIN IT FOR A YEAI< AND COME nUSHING BACH TO TEACH SKIING. Mr, Gene Simpson Gene.ra t Mana9.er A tp ine l..ody,., Inc. Br(ghton, Utah Dear Gene: NSA SJ(I INSnUCTORS COUf1ITTEE 6811 South Meadow DriV. Salt Lake C Uy 17, Utah Thank you 10" your oonlirmat ion 4)n price for the f~60 meeting of .fh. NationaL Ski In4truotor$Commifte~. The prfc .• ' is agr~eQbtft Q'nd v~ry tJ;IUO~ appreciated. It · is real.ized that this i. far . beloW. .the normal rater ,I am aure th.at the ski schoot directors o' ,: the ' UnitedSt,ci~es wUl .find t,haf Brigh ton and the A tp ina Lodge wi It be the mooS fhcsp Hab hf ,host that we have "0 far enco.unt,,,"ed. .' The meeting da.h q.nd pLace (l3,.ig/?ton; has ,been announced. "wit( 'Iot.'Low up '!Ifth a quotation of your, price. 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Hilt: Oil !'I'CI:nr( t.hot,. :'Cs i .Wo1I11I- sa:r, that. by ,'/''1 1 'COllJltR, yr)Hr In~t li'f'p.ting of't.lI€' I'l',:;' ijlfltrllctor-l~ (11' ·AI~(,t'i,'c·/l.· "m~:' ·t..IH~ h~~t,. lIv .fnr. I ' 1\111 I:i!n~ 0. '~.I·PI\ t (Inat of ~n!olf ' {'p,·1 i 't·I.~ ,,:I ~. "lwl',,,l,·,·,·., '( I' \'(!I'pt. ';0" " ff',r i (~'II.;1 {.f'11 mi:wr' (l1citlcn~!:~ hut.. .11";1'1, .,Ipt L'H'll, I!:o lo .roll'· il".",I) •. ¥')1U' J;o ~d .. s. 're)~r !11·,pe :rb~ 'Illt 'UII' ·wt' .'- ,!!iu-It till' line. I. (lo'n't hclirl'(~ 1 ','e.(~\"f'r I.\tt('IlIl~(l' 1\ 'h(~it(~' 1' OJ·'~lllii7.f'(' . c~·II·':· I'Jlt..i I,,, •. I l(I\o~' fllil "rl·q:oll~ihility for '·!l'U.·ll·: t!tinhr-: (!! ic!e i~ r"1)·", ","I'll'I(·'1'I'f01'''; P'lRR (\ . J'€'I'l'llution f'r:JI'l l:ly "Lncl' to ~;!l1!1'!'l of '·;xc('l.ll'nt .iflh c101\p.. I !lIn-C' R;.(,llt nt If'rn~t.. n. ~ol i.fl ~n't-', !';oi.nr, OVf'r ·thr ·nffn.iTEI of l:'';···:!Jt. fiild r~"ch i:; "ut of nrclcr. ;'\t'tr.r II 'Y"H" i'l 'office, I frct I h .'lVC finn,lb- 1tndrrl:t· ~of1 . i.hl' i,1·j~r-r01::tcdnc;.~ of ollr" .j .\~~ ~:~ A!'H;oci~.ti.:)n's·prohl~mri nlle"":1 Ftd,'in~ t,jl~:>lv0 tv: rmny c:f thl'm . t" (-J" ·n.s·! c·,m. In my firnt hlll1c::itin for tld.~ )1':1r, . wl!ich '\\'iLl hr . scnt to .yon ,dthin n' coapl~ 'fl'('!u;, :"011'.11 ~~t .nn iclp.n of ,yhnt. I'm nfter ••• mainly, f!dmillistr:: tiv(' hon.:eclcn.nillr, • .1'·or in~tti.lIcc, I .1tJ~t l~ i rlll"d, hy !1l\:l()llil\r~ th!"l'l~o:Il nle! .t'i.l~~, :' IHl hl,,'in !~ OUl,· In,~''y''r 'cl:('c~, "ii-h the ~;t:-t, f', . thot -thf' l'':':')lA i~ 1101, (,·Y(,I\ il1~O'·- . rnrr.tr.rU·· :lft('r n lot nf tl'/ : c'd'!~:: 1101';11, fonnll we ',n.d hc-'.c!I, I.l\!~ nobody '~Y"l' p"i(l . cilr:l'trI' fcc,::' , t. ·.Et:'S, rte., ltncl '\'~ lOfl~ it,· on.1 lJ~Cilll~P 11"(' h:'d !J!l ; l'rl~"lw"t :tt'·lJ·(,f':sj .... (. cOI·l,!. lI')t he II ,ti. f'ied . ,,~; ~~ "} \V ~ (J~ u- j \I. . rt.t-f . , .j ·.tl'1j~ t':nt 0111' cli~rt('r · hncl h0cn r0yo'~1',1. . . : And F-pnC\"int~ of n.'!'!l'Cf-:~~!'l •••• 'J' IlP,r sC'crf't· ' r~·, !lill ~;ti'iddl~ n(l, '\i , ~i !tn.r! !tnff p'rcp.:'r('(l for mc n. n:d 1i.1I1~ l. il:t ""ich !tr Co!1I!·,ilecl fror.l· his '· ':l r~c(\rtll'l • • flc l!nll .flnnI'V·ill{~ .tih:e "71) !H~'!:lI'fl t')!l it! Yet 'l'rc:U!'lrCr \:'~. Lim 1I :·s only Uh'111t IB5. ~~ ft~r cJ:('c':in~:, find thr.'t Olt!' 1'1'81'. h"s VI' not I~(lt n !J~-stell1 for lw~ ; 'illp; r~corciR ~tr~·jght, or 'Ulnt if I,co (tl)('s, th~ r~conls tll'C !Io.t pal'l!H'cl on to t.hc Sf'CI'ct"r:r to £>ntcr ' iIl'OO hi~ nffn i r~ ·: f 1'1' cn rr~ • I h:'.vC! n I'WI' ti ng tId j'; J'ric1ny n i. tr ,d th tll'Y-' nne! t'l~ !;('cr('tnry to tr)- to nt.l·ni::r·htnn t"inr;s out • . ~In ,rant to ~ct n vn,lid r::f'·:,hC'l·nl'ip "o:d-r,' "'11, !IOon. SIH'''t(~ lo t' (lhl~ to '~rt onr to .Y.O U b,. - n lit·t,l~ I1ftl'r till' ,/11111' lbth ·. .. hich· " 011 I·co·llrst('rl • ~ .U'I 1;111'£> ~'t)n oJ ..... r('ac\"~ llllv£> l-'t'Vf'J'lt1 l · CC"II'!~t.R 1'0 1: sn.rlh , ~i'lcf' T TII'v.c· ' · ·'ot! n ~W'. .' ''lhl)"t tlw hllclt-ll-hC':ul for ill~:tnlr.t :H'S ••• :I.," ';'I'ttinr': ~t.ntic Illl {;,,,,t . 1H!OI'C. l.·'ec·l ·:"·,,tt. ·.· nUl'" 1 ' Cll" t~('t i t., :!o~··('\'f·J·, hllt not il-'nl'(liatn hr. ])0 V :Il! Iu:,'(' £>lHll!f,"l tn I :.o!( I' rt.(',,· Yllm' f''Y'l~lI:-:CS no','! 1 (~m. : ; I'~~:I'_;'in1':' n ' n(lt~ t.o p;o I)'; f .• ':i th nil I 10t;i 11 trIP. ·:it·tT.lf'S nt' J"1!I" .c'l';l"J;ttr:c" :,.: tl1;:t. 111~11:, Vt~ (l . )fl~h. !I ,., .. ' t t ') B .E T T E R S E R V E .< THE SKII NG PUBLIC :,r Mr • .James .Johnston, Chairman Certlflod Instruotor., CUSSA 3505 Adm(ra' L.ane North Mfnnea.p o, b 22. Mtnn •• ota. . ' '%~ 1 , . ',Dear S (rl':" ' .. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx::xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 6811 s. Me~dow Dr-tve, SaLt La/<e City 17, Utah .July 11, 1960' t' "'. Your report and orH (que of the Srigh.on oerHf loa t ion-examination were due "une~15. 1960., i· Current L{st. 0' your,oertifled Instruofors were due .JuLy 1. 1960. Your proportion at $1.00 per instruotor for CUSSA ... cortifi.d Instruotors was due .J~'y 1, 1960. Plea.e advise at onqe when the foregoing obLigation will .be fuL,(f Cl ted. " Finane ial"statemen twit l fo £low. qordla t ly, .. ', ..... Witti,fih, R. Lash, 'Chairman Nat ion'al SId Inafruc:fora COmlnittoe WRL Lt " 'r'., M,-. Dav. Ham" ton Pres iden t, NRMS fA Wh(teft~h. Montan~ Dear Dave: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXKXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 6811 S. fvfeado'/'f Drive, Sal t La/<. ci'y 17, Utah Ju ty 11, 19GO Your report and oritique of the Brighton Cartifieation-eKamlnaHo,'-'were duo June1S, 1960. Current t'st. of your certified instruotors were duo JuLy 1, 19GO. Your proportioh at 81.00 per (n~trvctorfor your division. we. due July 1, 1960. PLeas. advta. at one. when the foregoing obligation wi" be fuLfilled. A finanoiaL atatement witt fo(Low. SLIL L COl Karl Hinderman SincaroLy; BilL LO$h, Cha(nman NationaL Ski Instructors . Commi tt •• Mr. Georgo Engel, . Jr. P. O. /301( 55 Winter Park, Colorado Dear Georgel xxx.'{xx; ~xxxxxxxxxxx,'(;(XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX:<xxxxxxxx 6811 S. Meadow Jriv~, Salt Lake City 17, Utah JuLy 11, 1960 We were aCt sorry you oouLd not attend the [Jr{ghton convention. ' From atL indications it was the bast meeting we have aver had. Over 7S peopLe waro in at tendanoe. I hope you have met wi th £rio and flax who roproson tocl )lour group. I need immediately a new list of your instruators. Tllis was due on fho first of July. We are in 0'(1'1) need of fllnds. I" (lot the committee is operating at a daficit. · The oommittee (lsHod lor and received at the gnnmr'a.( meeting of direofors at Orighton a $1.00 por instructor oontribution to the NSA Ski Instructor.sCommittee for a.dministration purposos. No doubt many of your instruotors wiLL protest as tlJoy hovo in oth~r divi3lflns. 1'10 wilt haVf~ to do a little selting. Actually, thi3 is a 3matl COfJt pOI" inatruotor when . one considers the headway that has beon aocompthhcfd. Maybe $ince all indlviduu. ts received a roport, it will help. Please do your best to t'lko aotion on this immediateLy. Reproduotion of tile summ<1ry of the Brighton mee t ing carlnc·f b~!J in un tiL funds are race ived. A financial statement wiLL (t)ltow soon • . Dest pef·.scmf.lL regard., •. SinoereLy, Dill Lash, Chairman Nat ional SId Instructors r;ommittl~e BLII. 7-18-6'1 Dear HAsr . pL"ar shin: str'lctions frO;1 Dave Hanilt on, Presicl.8nt. 0" l.1,e mmSIA, I .am enclosinr=: '·?25.no Uf': c', consitit'ltes ollr :'\1. r'n per head aSSeSST'lfJllt for mailing of the s"nmarios of tho recent nat~.onal inst Tllct.or's meetinr;. '''lso, I Has instr1ctod to send YO'l a c~lrrent. list of instr"ctor's certified in the lior.thern Loc~7t Ijol1ntain S"i f,ssocintion. This too is included. "~·W· 10:807 f~s(' r1.5.nd, 1117' sth Ave. \lnlnn:l! \ '11,d,[\1\[\ r>lease me '·nOH. J,.-.. . .' ------- ; AssocIAnON OlP ANmuCA. H,.. ., , •• ,.. If. Lea •• ,... VCo. ~~.'d"" L .... ,. H.,.,.h.,., 'I,... 'fO £g.t $pt~ 'fr..' II .. ,.,..~. 11_· rerlr 0..,. H,.. L •••• ,.' rh.,.. y.u ,.,. y.,," ,.f'.,. Q"~ ,..11,. ''''''''.' :M 0.,,, • ..,.c H... r ••• 0' ,h • • ,.C,h.OII ... u,., ., ,It, -.UMe' a, IIt.fl""".;" C_fU ••• ,.. 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Ov.r th. ~ce"t· fourth 0' "'u'y ..... nd thore ~re ov.,. 120 drowning. (n tho Unitod Stat... Tho .Ie' 'nfluatry "o.d. p,.. .. of'." ., . tit. laot that akf' ng oan bo .af. and f. fun and .a.y Co aOClrft prov'd'"g that tho bO"~n.~ ·'.ar". proper'y'lIItdar tho oompoten •• upe,...,lalo" 0' ca" In'i""oCo~. Th •• tud.,.,t who hal an Injury or~booomo. d(aoourae.4 booaua. cf 'Mp,.op.~. (n.Cruc"o" eoutd 'vory w." bo a '0.' forevo~ Co tho .n.,re.'n.u.t~. At Br(,hton Ch. eOMft'U •• dlaou ••• d to a .. ,.",llt tho u •• 01 .a/o'y .'ogan • ." lnQ4iIf.~tlfl#.n" ,~L.eClm.f. ~, "'.'y~ ,""_~.GH,~t .•, .,..;_.I .. .; .! '.. J .... , ... ,.. J .... OI!~ .'ogana .'3ht tond to aggravat. ih. p.t.nC'a' ~'ur'. f •• ,... It o.r~CI'n'y oreat ••• · .. nfa' btook. '0r a~ .Cudeft' •• The.tlt .... f onoouro, ... ". to take a ' ••• on an. hcave 'lilt and t. ~rov. en.'. ~Cln, ""'t¥ _e,h. olfer ••• 't.~ approaoh. On ••• aIt. 0' ·pro.oUon by tlte .anu'"'u,,, 0Gft .. dfr •• tty t • • h • • Ie' ,,,.t,.&IOtor. Tho 'n.tructo,. ,. probably o, ••• ~ •• b .. '4ft'ng'alcC.~ •. on~ a" •• 'e~ •• lton OIly oth.,. 'aoC'ow ., 'h. 'ndu.t~l. The ""~a p~"o re.p.oC. hi. judgement an~ cad.(~ •• It'. alel'ng Ab','ty. T ..... p.op'., and fo oh".~, ,he reap •• f . approGoho. hero .or.hip. The ,~.tr&IC'o~. th.refor.. h •• • ~ .. '~onf (nlluo"o. ovor fho ,Ie'.~'. deei,'on to pureha •• Oqu'~~t. Hund~de 01 " ... , , hov. b.o" a.ked whGt •• , •• teo" 0' booh, pan'. QI'W'.1r fa to "ul' " the ,,,,.,.W to~ . r •• p.oh tho prot/IIC' and ha. tho p~op.~ ett,INJ ..... ·,. •• U' Ito" •• U ,ha' p,.oduo'. Th. po' loy of Ha~t • , __ y.a". ago t •• on4 ""out broohu~ to al' '".Crv.t.~ • • xpla'nlng th.(r advort'_',., pro,raM an~p."cy .onoom'nl .• ~,,,, , ••• on. 'ro. cortf fI.f!. 'n,tr&lO'o~. wea. vory lcaYorob'. ,,... tho 'n.tructo,.'. po (nt .f v fow. La.f Doo.-b.~ "" __ y'Johnlfon and I dl •• u •• ed w'th Ha,.f the p ••• ,.",.y .1 wr"'", ~ ,,,.,,.uof'.,,a' book '0,. ".glnnln, .tud.~f • .no ptan to .• ~. ' ••• on. ,in •• ~,. eo,. •• 4 ••. , Thh _u'~ ....... "~,., .• ",. ...•• 'C,.'UM •••• MP'.,,a' 'on •. ~,_ .. and drClW'nl1 •• It wou'd b. d.",n." a, can 0'. to-,he .,.C.,. Clltd a. on CIII',..Oduot'on Co tho 'port •. You .ltov. ,,~ "oubt ••• n 'hf. typo '01 boole'.f b.'"g u •• ~ Cn th •. ,0U '"du.Cry .y vo,-I.u •• anufGot.,,...,... Go" Up" lo~ •• ~,., " a boole'.t 0' th'. type. W. ta'~ed 'ha' fhl • • o~t •• • l,h. ".·att.ohed '0 .'Cvo.~,y.. nT.A p. a"',". u01l . H. tar,it" '~~, No f:1 1o..'4t1. i.~..'.~ .U;-• . W;O. V-"H"i"t"C,t .«• . f .4 "'p.t.~_'b u,t.C,O. Ita 4wtYo.u~'Ud. •'n•., p. o ...T. he '~.a wei •• re.uU ., .,. 'liqu'ry .y. HQ,.t • oow,·' •• ~ y.ca~ •• ,e. T. '''''vo. flltll Ma" .out ... "ua' 10' •• , 'n"ruotor.·."t't'.~ ~Aft ~ut'fn. e' ~( '.oohf~. H.thod.- that I It.- .~'if.ft I •• ""d."'~ .. nd'~. o~,(..,.t.ry GOp' •• to .voray. CO,.," 'ed 'n.t~ucto~· e" .tho U"Uett ,tcif... Noth',., .v.~ f.",u'Q.t.~ lroll tlte. (d •• • inc. tho .o~ ... a'ready 'n ~ht~'.uUOll. But tho hlea .'ght have po •• 'b"'t'... . If haa bo." .ug,o~tod by .~ .hl acltoo' lllreotore 'hQt we app,.ooh _Gnufao.u,... r. to oo".'d.~ h.tpfng tho NaHMa' 'ndrue'or, C ... IUe. Ifnono. ·U,./I ·,..product (.ft and dhtr.fbut '0" of the en"ua' ,..po~f 0' the a.trt echoo' dl,..otor • ••• tin" f •••• tho B~f,hto" M •• t,",. Laat yoar tho repo~t ran 4Z pago. an" wa. dCaCrCbufod '0 evory 'n.Crucfo~ 'n Ch~ Un'Cod ~CaCe ••. "op •. T,.,... Ju'y"2f, "~60 Wo",~ ,. • ."..eUOlt', '. '/~. IIdr:t ... t.Jtat".1,:-. •.• : .,.~.,-..t." Cn U,'. 'yp • • , ,P"" ;.,Uo" Gltdad".,..t.'hf· to t;' • . t"dt;'hluaC· .-i·' .. at,...,cto,..., .'ght aug, •• i, . .. 14,.. '\1. •••• ,.','. '''a(lou oo"tcao" R.,."t.· Gu.Ur,' '0' §J!.! 1.J.!JtJ 4f 1t1nC"c,. ... a( PubUa";"'. 'nf,·GII. Db,,.'bvU,,. Co,.po,·aUM. 117 &'aat· 31.« lit,...,. NtiW Y.or. f'. New YOM. ROlf" I •. WeI .. fit; t1,te,;lJ,."hfo" ... U", Qtd ."" ~Ift." ~,_ou".t __ .:·QcN.,.U .. ,,., ",.OIIIot (0"" ,.,.·0"',. ouaU t •••. ; ".n,,'. 'aGt f • .,. cd' the ...... '0" •••• l":fiJhtOit altd' 'pG'd pa,.Hou'G,. i"t.,...ffo:· f" .. · •••• C.,.: ... ·ow ..... " ,,,,.}~~.t CM: oM ooo"."o"o,,:.U.h ..,.u'oo,frI,..,. .... ~.H.~; ,p"'.f~·. t.t 01. t ..... · ttdil'Iti1.,~·to. 'o:',,. ... t " ..... ,. 0": .Jr' ao"'.f·d,,..ot.~,, '."_.:'1,, •• ,..,.,.,. ..... '.," ..... ·p.,..onn.r·--.· ";' .flre It. ha .. ........ ,.0. 'd.~.. . . . ". .. , .'. . . NOIf~ .haltlca •. I ...., ... .,.,...,.t. 1KHI.~'''iI .'I'>li4.1i ~,...,.i.l,o. IIl./ , '- LESTER HARRISON, INC. ADVERTISING 21 }~. Bill Lash,Chairman National Ski Instructors Committee National Ski Association of America 6811 South Hondo\-! Drive Salt Lake City 17, Utah Dear Hr. lash: 22, N. Y. • PLaza 1-2820 August 9, 1 Thank you for your detailed letter of July 26 regarding possible areas wherein our client, Hart Ski Manufacturing Company, might help the N::;A in their work. He like, particularly, your instructional book for beginners. who plan to t[lko l03sonD in a oki school. I want to go into this more thoroughly with Hart and Harry Holmberg. Meanwh.:ltlo, it is good to lmoH that our efforts in fur-the ring taking l~'lOns from certified ski instructors is apprec~ted~ We are co"inuing this policy in 1960-61 advertising. Iii,$m going to kee~!'in touch with you as soon as I have something :~ore specific and hope that VIe can Hork out a nru.tually beneficial a*angement. GRL:er { ~ j " Coroinlly, LESTER HAHlUSON,INC. Gilbert R. Losser Vice President '- AFFILIATE OFFICES IN 26 MAJOR CITIES THROUGH NATIONAL FEDERATION OF ADVERTISING AGENCIES' CARLI!> LF.'~A~AnVF~ \ .. ~RWEST SKI INSTRUCTORS ASSOCIATION T 0 i,',r. n iJ 1 1'1 :11, , P r ~ sid ~ !~ t , I, I i\, () 811 0 f} U t 11 J" CH2 Cl1" D l' i v ~ Selt lnk~ City J7, Utah. Dear Bill, P.O. l~OX 918 rUG FJ';t,n 1 AlE r; Ii 1 L \' \; J' I'J 1 r, .• T}v~ best '::0:'" to start out tlis ]~tt~r is 'iiith a direct (11 ote frOM t-.})I~ v"r'T first s~nt~nce of "Tour last rrood Jl"'tt~r Lo ~~(" ••• "It '~H~em9 t;',nt I ,qr'1 f) li'ttle late \~ii t 11 tr:y ] I'" t t ~r . II Your Jnst J"'tt,~r '"HS 1)cen sit-tin{'; on UH' top of r.1:T to-hc-anS\""r~d hox for nui te n 1011.1"': ti.T'·"e. Been fluttinp; off ar,SWt~rirl;': i j 1mtil I rnd alI t"" nmfor"1I1tion t'-lr}t 'lOU needed, l)ut ti "1'1'" l~R.ve br-en oth"r ° n f] u~nces against m;:r answer in(': too. T}'~ rna in one he i nr: TTl:.! extl'~rne elisa Dpoin tment ,upon rerf'acUnf the P}-(JPO',ED l:, c:" F'.:;. le] 1,;]1 FOF, SKI SCHOOLS. That really infurintl"'ri ne. ~hat rolicy in no vmy wYatsoever rccorrni7.cs the :r~rtr3 of ',\'01'1<" Ulnt reoI'll'" ~J u c h a 8 :: 0 U n n d L }, • I V e cl 0 n I'" , UI I" :: t, d. v i rlf' (,(' t.1 H" 1. n n L r 11 - coors thcmsclv~3; l~S f~r 88 tr'ut T'rOrOS~(J rO:JiC;T i::J con~ cerncd, certified ski 5.nstructors ]11ir-};t ,i1]st as w~.ll forr! e t the IN h ole d arm she b R Y' 0: • Th'" r r i 3 l' 0 T' n 1 n t t 0 (1' e t tin r certified. rrl,"'r~ is rlO "oint t h1'T~nrr f1.l\I" orr[lT'iz'ltion. "~ie nip:}>t ,iust as o,orII rorr~t t}l'" ",I ol~ hlsin~~,18 ond P'O into the J ift bU2i'1~sS and hire 8n7!on~ i·.'f'Ol>l,,()'~ver ','!e 8~;011Jd nlease. Certifi(;c1 ~iki inst.ructor3 O(~cupy n very !'t'inor n1,ace in t'be sl:-i world, nne1 i. f t'h1s pol ic;! hn,s R.n7t~· in~ to rio witr t)"'r1r fU~o1Jr~, f,h~:r ':.,UI lioJr'l no pJnc~ in t,b~ n~:xt few "Tenrs. In s}'ort, n0tJ'inr in my careep HS a ski teacher 1'us ever c]jnrl'\Jstec1 nnc3 4iscournr:eci me more,. 'I'r,~n to top tbe w110le t1-rinF~ off, only LJ'lree of tr'e twenty one ski sC\i©~l (1ir~ct()r~ ',;'\.-'OM I t;rr:~cl to 21Jbp1it t:h~ir renctton to U'B rles1'icnt)le T'O!i.cv !'RVe l'(,l'licci. 'l'beir sentiments ec'ho !"1ine. To ('lJotl" one', tilt is inr1("l"ri f\ sl'nme U"l\t t1,~ U.S,::'",:'., l' t',~l' 'hlJn eoopeJ'ALiIT 'iUl tl'(' Cel't.ifl.l"Cl S'rllnstructol'~ 0:' ilrner'ica, are forcinrl' j,hem to D conrse of action t0at n~it0cl' '."Jill like, thl.t of unionization." (1 nother co In"l, 11 J~ tootll] C 3 3 (~Oc u"~lI:JD, of 1rno U 8 e vih~ t- 30ever to ski i.n~1tl'Uctor8, and n :'it~T'l'lrW buck of th~~ pror:ram 1'7." n t J"fl ~ t t~n ;Tcnrs I 11 /111~ nno ,,'.-~r comrn,.bn, II(Vis :-'oJic7') ••• ,::1]1 C]'1cournrc hl1'c1S)'iflS sr:1 havoc [\~'onF" t::-1~ t:r('~;~nts1~i :",(" 0,'1:1 :liJ'~ct,.lrs, f\Seoc:~,qU ons, nnr1 th'" ru:'.!ic for ,,1("'1.'111 of \13 -;:ark. 1I CLt<('I"", __ Ph\,c.L.'/" ,\,<~)r' _ )711 /A..)'-( ('L-.(\'l..rl~'1' L" h."t .. ..-C{:\), PI,o'II,',,' 1";'1 l((I~ h (('lie, /,e .. , BET T E R 5 E R V E THE 5 K I I N G PUBLIC ; r Bil] Lash lio\\'~vl'r, tllOCl~ WOllnc1S hlve now !,enlcc1. Once af-ain I rl''1 workinf': o.t t}lf' old rrindstone, rlanniY'f" for tJ'e c OM in£': s ~R S (In.. Did I tl'll "'Ill tr'nt U'", n~!,'lo(:I'ltl(Hl (l"'(:lr1~rl to n,..nrJ (l1r~,~tl;' to :TOll fOT' th~ir mnnllnln, T''l,th'''r L1 1 f1n hlve n repeot of tht'" nf',..dJ"'ss hAssles 1l\T~'"t''' 11110 i,n 1;hl'" pn8t within our own f1880cintion? If not, such is the CRS~. I hODe- tllRt I'll be Rble to rr-.t you thl'" !'1oney froM our Associntion within two Months. I will try to pass a bylaw y,it}l m~T next bulletin to nermit us to vote by mail on mRny issues. If t~is passes, then we will ~et you a vote in the affirmative for your buck A hl'od the very next thing. I tried to rass at our last Board meetin~ but our usenl bJ ockers pushed the T'oint tho t tbe Board cm ld not spend more trnn $lo~.OO lump sum for nny~ one item. 'I'he membershi n mus t 0 pT'rove r:reo tel" expendi tures. I fe~l 1 t to be my f,oo¢f tha tId id not p'e t you th is money soon~ because you ('lid notify Me durinf': our cofllv~ntion. Only trouble thour:h, had I lirour:ht it un at the time, I could well have been turned down flat. We have a couple of ski school directors out here how make no bones about being ap;ainst national17;ation. ','/hen n mnil "ot~ 1;, tak~n th~lr infl uence wi 11 not be fe 1 t nearly 8 ° 8 t:r'ongly. I was v~ry inter~3ted in Jour rl.i8cl1sion fof "our by-laws. I would very much ltPprecJa te you s~ndinf! me R copy of tbcs e which you nre rresentJy llfling. ',Ve r'1\lst do a con~iderable ,iob on our8'. I was 30rry to 0ear of ;T'our fir:ht over your expulsion bylaw. Ho\'!ev~r, I did anticipate thRt you would meet trouble. In fact, I '.vas haviY'[': one of the 1aw studdts at law school c~cck into the Utah law for me 30 t~at I could perhans send :,rou n f~w words r~ro:~,~'cljn(? votlr nrop()~~(~ action. Such a by-low as "au had ori~inally nroposed would have been i]lega]t~x~~x in California, siY'ce any exnulsiohs must permit the person under question to present his case before any action is taken. Beleieve th~ same to be true in your nec'.{ of the woods. So, t1'c R.ction which was fina.lly tnken b'~ your p:roup, t:oll[J'h faiN~r thln r~auired, T'ropably (]oes meet '''itl' 70ur stnte's rer:ulations. Once ap.:ain, would aT'T'rl'"cinte a cory of ~.'ollr curT'ent re~ulRtion:1. For one U'ing, BS you suar:ested in ;Tour ]~Ljt letter, I would t}'en be able to make our flS close as possibJe to ;TOlJrs. in read~ngbetween the lines of y~Jr Jetter, I note that you to at the time of its writin~ ~~re kinda down onth your thankless 'ask. Am sure t~ou~h that you've bounced back to vour usual optimistic self h:,\T t:his time. AS r~r:nrds my critique of the n!'if~liton j';t'{ominntl.ol:l: t}lOI 'aht I ha n 3 ent :,r011 same a bout UI" fir ~l L we ek 0 r mune. Ilacl prepared 80methinrr anywny. However, cnn't f'ihd any carbone of anythinr:, so [J'uess you are rip:ht. Got to rack my memory a little ••• It was rlifficult for examiners from other rlivisions to ~valuote th~ bor~~r]ine cases since th~y coulrl not ask allest:ion~. Had they been prermitted to do so their final scores ~ight well have been dlifferent. On ttle otrer }lnnd, this rr8.ctiue (lid [J'ive . \ • I BILL LASH 1/3 ; . '. ' vis is ting examiners a chancei;to see how vonr exams were c ondoc ted fro ln 8tart ,' t 'o !f ini~h. ': Buc.k Mart in,' lTo ' Mol' l-J:; lnc,:, , and m:is'elf were d i sapp'01n~ed 'a t · the 10 ck of knowledp; , ~ e · .:0£,' ,y~nr Ic ft'9dida te s , ,wi tho r'ep,'~ rds 'i~o : how to '"i mprove /a · p~r.~oris . . ah ility to ma~e paralJi:eh.turhs.Of l:ourse,the F,WS1:A' was '>for ye.ar,s strongly exp osed ,. to making, people' ,18k 1.' by: ',the 'i"par'alle 1 method, ';: so ·~)h,g. t . . ~ven boday, thog~h ~ the'. same 'nielJ[)~ds 6~' teaching are :~~o:' :J .onf-:er used, many' ·· of 'f.~the :·:s~~~: .exercises, COI're'Ctions, ·· etc; .. ar~ ' 8till, used. I .r .ecal,l, "l!1flking the same comment ; ~b.o~t ::;;vour ~x ~ma.t ; Al;t;ti ~n:' ~he £sI1. , Wh~t I'm trying,.to sa;r.;;"'~ itls ' one t h ing to .~no.~ the ,th~, Dry of wede.J.p and ::, ~~tt!~sbhwine;en, bi.l't.f~t ( a q'p,1t~ another to ~)eable to > p.;,~;r a · p~~spn .:;' ~o / do . it" ~;{tla1to ' ,90rt"c,.t 'tl1 e l'r rni i:J ta ke.s ." " Your s fmn] ~fi ed flC Dr ing. n:v:stem : l~good, ' and we already Adopted . something simila~ . 1il fou,I'_ plans of las t y ear.,~vi th ., fuI,' ther ',,;,. Ddl :t;':1ofl,~t~pn· for n.ext . se'ason. '1 ~·am .• sure tIm t your ,.. group ,wouldbe ' di sa ppoint'ed ;wtth 'Qur ~·fellov! s ·7 krowle9-ge oJ the , f hcts about , avftiAnt1 h~~, d fDr :ins:ta~nd, ' a nd about :;:;the ·~~ ,J,a'ck of Rbi~it:r' ,: tD ' h~nd"l~ >" th~~:';" .;~,el~e ,s. · 'we n i n de~p(? s!l~ow: . Wha t th is'" point s ' O\lt f;r 1f1;:f,t.~(llt ' we ~\tnust finds waY "so : that reciprocnl }\'~ilR:tinN1{xorllJli exchanges .. of in8t~uctors can be : arranged for , pro'l1idedi :th~f.mee;t. , th~(!xtra ' demands :ot each ' division~ ;. That " is~ ': ) that ' lieach division requires of any transf~l'r.ee ' 't .hat ihe< Dr ,she pa ss 'a teat in avalanch~s, :' in 's~ep show sk,i irig'; : or ic eski ing, or . rescue wor k, or parala.a.~ · 'ski ing, 'or ' wh~ t ",have': you, 1;:>~fo'r'e ' they . eRn be Hcceptedaas 'a :full· 'trans·fer. " , . wt th . re rnr d to th e. whole' me e t i np; ~ ~. fe 1 t ". tht!, t . you d id-' a b e tt ~ r than ever, Job .on .the planninr" ,organ1-za ti()rl a~ndoonduct OL on of t h is : one Bill." W~al)1 impres~s ,~d. 'oun :b-§ts , 'i'I : :know. Was . sor.ry' tha.t . \ye ~ didn' t <' ha ve · ~ Dr.;e~: thail~ ' the,~ · s. ix . or seven that' \ vere . there. But I wonder:':ilbout 'the ·:~" f·oll'owitTlg: . ,arc';' we ., not :per}1aps 'spend inp; , .too~uch-:: t.ime; oriT~~e,~,',,~ki11ng / ertd . of · ·: th~figs , ' · .. ~nd ·n9t ·'. enqup:;!; " or:~~~.~~~.~~f ~r'';' , ning . s'ta~es~ , I knDw why . ;TOU Are dlHing it .t he wa;r: YDU . dre,'~~' and ',,; I ~gree with ' the :idea of ' ~ett i n g .. e~erybody .. tD , part+cipnte is exce_l l,ent. And it is necessary. ~ Bu,t"\at the. :same ~",:t. im~ ,r : wonder , if a;f chanc~mi ght · 'TIot . ' be , better<:l.n o.~(t~~·'~:'~.TllRt;; is, ge t 1iback to ' th.eorigina J. " , :,smal1.': m~.~t:tll ,g~~.upr:'rn~ .e ,ttb p; Df .. the C otnmi t :tee members ' only, ,.,to ,.,f.utther , f: .6n;mula t 'e " pol <toy , till, lay plans " and : to .foll w· tl:;lem ',,;.through. J -d,Jer, get';' marry' idea s from your px:oduct ion , las t,:~; ye~;r,~.!,., Id~as wht'ch.,·:r ; sha ll put into-' effect this 'yeRr at ' our ~ ge:t':"to rtetl? s, l;>ut', ;r can'I the lp wDnd er ing if th,e vllri 0 : s '.exce llent .panel;· .d1.sdussimns wrlich y ou had don!t 'really helDnp; ',:tp ', each , ,diX~:'stoj1" und not to al . mee~ing :.; 0.f . ' aIJ div. l~ion9.~ :I?,D 'Y:OU; \mdersta!1d ' what I I m t,r :rr ~ng :to get ~t : here? ·1 ',mnDt :try1ng to knock last :Tear's shoVi, ",beca.useit· was indeed gODd,' Qt.t.. I ~ am wDnd~ring If it strives : for the right godls~ " I ~,sh~l ,have ,to .gJ ve 1> is rna tt ~ r '; more ',· t hought : before" l ,c ommi t , rrry~ self:'·. t'D ·i art Dpinion,'-'as to:'w:tiat "'shouid ' be ' done :f.or 'next spring. I'll try ' todo· .. thil,t , 'wtthin. the, next ,month.: MeanWIlile, I'-mus t p:e·t · back to Tn;r s torv forBDb Pa'rker 'rihich is', sevI"' r al days overOue. ' B ~ n t to ~rot1 a l l ••• D OU f~ NA ASSOCIAT10'N~'O'F ~MERICA IKI UNION O~ THI "MlltlC'" AMATEUR ATHLIE11C UNION 01' THII U.'. THE U.'. OLY""I'IC ""OCIATION INTIIRNATIONAI. .KI ~IIDIIRATION NATIONAl. COUNCIl. ' 1 130 SIXTEENTH STREET DENVER 2. COLORADO', Mr. Bill Lash 6811 Meadow Drive Salt Lake City, Utah Dear Bill: 3eptember 21, J9GU Congratulations to you again on the terrific job you did on revi sing the OUTLINE OF SKI TEt\C~!NG METHODS. ,~ need s~m~ ~n fo~ma tion f rom you, c~ncElrtping . the dates.of. the dIvIsIon Instructors certIf1cat1l<.:p. n SItes and dates for 1961. Can you furnish us wi th';~his information?' We have had reouests for this inforrrl~tion already and if we have it here, we can possibly save you the bother of beinq contacted by some of tlw:.;e people. Best regards. Sincerely yours, CL: jw CONTRIBUTIONS ARE DEDUCTIBLE FOR FEDERAL INCOME TAX PURPOSES NAillONAL SKI ~lfiliatiiTwilh II<I UNION 0" THII AMIlRICA. AMATIlUR ATH~ITIC UNION 0 .. THI U.'. THE U.S. O~VMPIC ASSOCIATION ;:;,"::~.~ •. 'i '.111 ~ , '" ~ ji:, 'I ~ OFFICE OF THE PRESidENT Mr. Bill Lash 6811 Meadow Drive Salt Lake City, Utah Dear Mr. Lash: November ~, 1960 You have been reappointed as Chairman of the Ski Teachers Certification Committee of the National Ski Association for this coming year. I am sure that the National Ski Association, through its effective committee structure, its firm foundation, and new spirit, can look forward to increased membership and stronger and firmer programs in all phases of organized skiing. iif I can help you in any way, or if ou;I.National Ski ",sociation office in Denver can be of 'i,rvice, pleaal~ do not hesitate to calIon us. ill If I do not hear from you to the contrary by November 14, I will assume that you accept this appointment. Best regards and much success to you this coming season. Sincerely yours, } Y , .Je/'f~. / li<-y t/ff (1 / Sepp Ruschp, President CONTRIBUTIONS ARE DEDUCTIBLE FOR FEDERAL INCOME TAX PURPOSES Mr.'Ch.Lton Leonard Executive Oirecfor x:<x,'(XX)(;(XI(XXXX:(XXX:(xxxx:(i:x,:<x. ~x;<'~'~'~xxx:(~xxx~k.X)( 6811 South Moadow D"ive, an Lake City -17, 'Utah November 10, I, ,$.Wb . National Ski Association of America 1130 Sixteenth Streot Denver 2, CoLorado , I am sorry that I can't give you more information on tile in.tructor.', certifi-cation sites and dates for fhe coming year. The Far Weat Sid In.truoto-r. Association have their faL' board meeting Deoember 10 and ". at Mammoth Mountain. The Paolfic Northwest Sid Instructor. Asaociation have- the'r. the .ame date. in Wall., Walla, Wash {ngton. At th is time the sites and dates wi Ll no doubt b. s.Leoted. The Cnformatio~ I have available is that the Intrrmountain Skiln.tructors AuociaHon. . Wil'" h. otd their examination December 10'ond 1, . at Brighton, 'Utah, and the North.. Rocky Mountain Sk i Instructor. Aa.ociutiiVt wU L hold their. th~ threeday.~i, mmedfatety after Thankagivlng in Dillon, ~tana.··· I . The centra'~un;':~e~ States Ski A •• oclation have two exama -.;t~~v'ted in December a~ different iooatlona, howevor, the exact dutes and pLaoe' huve not be.n de. termined-~awaittng the condition. of snow. GeneraLly speaking, the P~oific Northwest, the Central and Eastern have severaL examinat ion. at diffe"ent . (ocati ~n.: through the season. The Intermounta in and Northern Rocky Houn ta in usually have one In the falL whiLe the Far I'.'eat and Southern Rocky Mountain hold thefr examinations late in thr spring - April. ~ ,< , It wouLd be app~ciated if you wouLd give some thought to the subject 01 the beat manner we can collect and corre.late information of thes from the divisions to a central Located office. In oth.er words, Denver. In the past it has been the policy of the Denver office to transfer aLL correspondence to me. Thh necessitafes a Lefter by me to the individuaL and usualLy a further transfer of the L~fter to the division concerned. A great number of inquirie. COMe in every year ooncerning cert if ic~tion examinations and tile application 10,. teaching jobs. Since the divisions are all separate entities, and five of the divisions are controlled and run by indep~ndent instructor association. - Incorporated in many diff('rrnt states, it fs_difficult for me or the Denver office to hav£- at hand this information unt!'ss it is compiled and correlated ahead of time. I have attemptr.d to U,lfhf'r inforlnrttion of this n<1turo, IHIVO it r.,>roduoed und sent to aLL divisions incLudiflU til!' natiol1,ll office. rho faLLacy of course exists that Vlhen I makt'! a request of inform,ltion to my committoe - it does nof aLways come in, and in ma.ny cases nev"r com('s in at aLL. This is an unfortunate situation, but I'm afr<lid it is on(> thZlt we are going to have to Live with Mr. CheLton Leonard November 10, 1960 "'t~w~awhi La because of the nature 01 thp sId 'traching rrof(tssion and the p'i>grophic areas that the seven divisions cover. ;~. , I wilL incLude~~" our rrquest for dates and sitp.!l for certiiica,tion and aLL cfl,.vision pLans in'y next Letter to the committee. If this'n(drmation couLd be gathered, corr';'ated and disseminated through myself and "~~",,.r' office - it wouLd aLLeviate a gren:t dnaL of inconvenience to the siding pUb'~I'c and the instructors' div is ions - and cerli f icut ion comm i ftees concerned. 'L' someone does not send the information in then the program wilt heIVe a weak, ;:fnk in the ahain. , ~ '< { , I am open for suggest ions on th is prollLem. I wish you wou'd give it some thought on how we Can better utiLiZe the Denver office to heLp expedite and aLLeviate some of our probLems deaLing with correspondence. In the meantime, I suggest that you send any r,.quest for information of thh nature dir.at to the certification chairman or division association president concerned. ,It's confronting to know that we now have an executive director who understanda some of th~ probLems involved in skiing - both administrative and practicaL. I ;,feeL that we can now better utiLize the Denver office. I would arpreciate it 'if you wouLd go through the, cert(lioation and,)nstruotors committee fiLe for the past three years and study the progress and some of the probLems we are faced with. ' You wiLL not. that the Last two years at both nation~L instructor meeting convent iona a:,~,:,'",at the Nat ionaL Ski Assoc (at ion convpnt iO,r, ,., a, great deaL of (n.", terest was pL;. d, on the fact that the instructors feLt ttat we ,shouLd finance and controL th,/,/unds of our own committee. This is no t1.,fLectton upon the NationaL Ski A •• ~ciation. We mer~L,y feel that we shouLd "tabLe to finance our own affairs.' After aLt, the anstructors convnittee is .rfmariLy composed of professionaL ski teachers deriving an income from the :iport. You wiLL see the trend of this thinking in the committee reports for the past severaL years. Ny job, of course, as committee chairman lsvotuntary, And w.ith or without funds I do not have the timp. necessary to manage alL the detaiLs requIred for adequate committee function. Therefore, I am wilLing to turn as much of the detaiL work, oorrespondence, maiLing and answering request. as possible to your office. Nay I offer my congratuLations on your appointmt:'nt as executive director. I feeL for thr first tim~ in the history of the NSA - we now have a staff of s/<i professionaLs that Ctln better evaLuate and direct the ski industry interpsts and the NSA for brnefib of the ski interestssand the skiing pubLic. Dnst regards and good tuck with your new venture, I hop~ to be in Denver for srveraL days in the nf"l(1.r future - aLso hope w. oon s/'Pond some tim,.. tonetl,or. PLease contact me for a.nything thut I can do to heLp. SLIL SincereLy, DiLL Lash, Chairman Nat ionc.1L Sid Instructors Committee NationaL Ski Association Mr. Bill Lash Chairman NRMSIA 1945 Clark Avenue Billings, Montana National Ski Instructors Committee . Dear Bill, November 14, 1960 I have your bulletin conc~rning Finance of NSIC. I "as under the impression that "e had paid our assement as decided in Brighton. We have had the loss of a secretary, but our annual clinic is on Thanksgiving week-end, and I will see to it at that time that our check is forwarded to you. Sorry for the delay. ~s for the Forest Service Ski School Policy, I know that you have our report on this. I "ant to add an !lAmen" to your feeling that the Nsrc has made vast strides in the last five years. I would say that it is through your personAl efforts far more than anything else, and we of the NRMSIA are deeply appreciative of the time, effort, and talent you have given to this. When I sent you our report on the FS Ski School Policy, I asked whether or not you could attend our annual clinic and meeting on 'fhanksr:iving week-end at Dillon, MSouo nndtaanye Naosv eomubre r g2u7e.s t. THhowe deoxeasc ty douart eslc ahreed unleo olno, okF rfidoary t hNaotv emtimbeer i 25 Ifth ryOouug hw onno'ot n, be able to make it, can you forward anything that you would like me to cover or start in connection with the Spring meeting at Whitefish? I am going to set up the committee for this at the clinic, and would like your advice or suggestions as to what early action is necessary. You also mentioned in your bulletin to forward to Chelton Leonard our exam and clinic dates. We set our exam dates at our clinic, and I will see that he has this information as soon as it is settled. Bill, I would like to add my personal invitation to you to attend our clinic at Dillon. I haven't seen you in over three years, and hell, lIve learned to ski in the meantime •••• I can still out-drink you tool1 Dave Hamilton President NRMSIA •• I'hol1o ~TTOl1d'-Bmrc1r -.t566- LIncoln ~2-JI6)~ P. N. S. A. CERTIFIED INSTRUCTORS LeaJII CdllMdlk/ GJli"lIlld dOG/Me GaplyalllPkaG/Me * .lll Wont WOLh St.. 't8{)1-5fl-rrrAvmTm,,1't:W. Soattlo 77, Washington November 19, 1960 Hr. Bill Lash 68li So. Meadow Drive Salt Lake City 17, Utah Dear Bill: Sorry I was not in Seattle to return your call. I called Rheinhart's this evening, F.riday November 18, to determine if you may still be in town. My intention was, at the Walla Walla meeting, to recommend that your book be accepted as the PNSLA manual. As you know, the acceptance of the National contribution was approved without resistance which left no time for discussion. In fact, it was read by the Chairman with no actual report from the Committee on Inter Divisional Relations. My conversation this evening was with Tonio She agrees, your book should be used which Don also thinks. Toni will write Jack Simpson whom we are sure will approve. The report from this Committee will be the acceptance of your manual by the PNSLA. The thought is that our members be extended the $2.50, plus tax, price; sale of your manual to others to be $4e OO; and the balance to go. to the National Program, as I tmderstand it. We of course have to sell this idea to the directors of the various activitieso Bob Brombach, who I think is in charge of Education, may be the hardest to convince. He presently is in the process of making a manual for his Ski School and I believe he has aspirations to publish it as a book. ·1 don't think Bob would be as general in his thinking, as is your manual. I think the easiest way to develop a unified teaching system in the U. S. is to educate all instructors on the variations in · . |