Keith M. Engar, Salt Lake City, Utah: an interview by Everett L. Cooley

Transcript (52 pages) of interview by Everett L. Cooley with Keith M. Engar, professor and dean of fine arts at the University of Utah, on April 30, 1984. This interview is no. 116 in the Everett L. Cooley Oral History Project, and tape no. U-116

Engar (b. 1923) recalls his background and career at the University of Utah beginning with KUED and KUER, later chairman of the University's Department of Theater, followed by the deanship of the College of Fine Arts, 1950s-1980s. Interviewer: Everett L. Cooley

It Ry KEITH M. Salitilake An L. City, Utah interview Everett Everstt ENGAR Coolsy L. Oral by Coolsy History U-116 Apriles 05 S8 Marriott Library University of Utah Salt Lake City, Utah Progject THE UNIVERSITY OF i EVERETT L. SALT LAKE CITY, OTAW Batt2 ‘ UTAH COOLEY ORAL HISTORY COLLECTION o I willingly 19 fif’/ to scholarly my testimony of the and usable contribute the Library recorded University of on Utah "Mw// %C/) /to be used purposes. / Open Usable with the after my following review. restrictions: Fuld . [ Intervie\@ee | /%//wu(jf ” f %zfi% Interviewer for Table Early Life/High Started to Military Return Days Contents . College. sl Service. to Started Helped School of Civilian Working Life/Continue in Establish Television Educational Sk +20 . Television Chose Elsewhere/Theater -39 . .50 A Look Back . of .25 Television Go University . Educational to on College. Utah. KEITH M. 30, 1984. BE: ENGAR INTERVIEWED INTERVIEW #1. Today and is Dean April 50, Keith Engar, We're Collage. of out, Keith, your early Salt my mother, 1 attended moved I from years the in tell us in got the city. on Went start something about some and born my and 1923, 2, the first folks moved and teacher music in interestad I graduated reading. from School We Roosevelt Distriect High. the before Thanksgiving, day well. And same one age sixteen Glade the manager I and year. and West At day, Rocco graduated didn't like West from graduated started then Siciliano then I We and Junior East to to Granite the to like then a was Granitel very Bryant went well. 1940. the the Arts Eccles spent I and me on, that at I at Fine the April on Provo father My Professsor in were Provo. to in life city remember Bryant. High we'd APRIL life. moved Sehoovliiin two very and you when early your places enrollad that to you Where, early very into I interview City. lle mencary and this my of various 1936. conducting of Lake to lived Department, Library, ON interviewing itnl 'R reisitonjeelidaho, years four COOLEY Arts thereafter shortly we're L. Fine life. woisesbairme S KE: EVERETT and asking by details the of 1984 Marriott the Room BY working at KSL Radio. R Was Earl KE: Not at J. that time. He hdd then? been replacesd in, as I recall KEITH ENGAR '57 or went in #1 '38 to a EE€: I work Ivor Sharp was KSL Radio as at daily which by and children's was written the a show by manager studio that guide, called, Luacine at time. and acting "Storytelling Clark Fox, and I Time," produced Baer. Parley remember Parley Baer, prominent in the theatrical circles. KE: That's from an RE: right, age and sixteen on, was I a great earned my experience. bread in And radio. so Became nineteen. age at announcer that Whare? At the NBC station--and worked there high school at from graduated the the service; and the Ordinarily thz2 between there in us sent they were the malpchcdEe class. Rt ROTC Junior to one senior and and hundred They a held us alls 2 but it was five go way a to went into camp of that, for to I as us, blaring. up summer Roberts. Camp of April Roberts. instead convocation the was duty Camp at time at as seventeen, and I 1947. until oh, active wEcelwvar awil thebands truckrandiEeuekeds KEPX, year--but training basic went into would students I ROTC memorable 2 then into inducted were spent I and 1543, we for, age got I And then. custom was 5, LTtst now "fatllli,: the in® YKDYL coMwork Ya L and there summer a Spent Ogden. in KLO us; Put Fert And recall, we and us in Douglas a KEITH RC: ENGAR #1 to induct and then Well, let's being full time "The Pickwick Fox I was a on come didn't a2 became I speech sway the participate of know, group called Luacine Clark a of some Ward--and experience. shows-- I in the in the And lived. the church. theater? You leaders, Lila very first and-- Brimhall Yes. under did you campus, forty, produced up the you where bound life--was at difficult very wonderful ward the in shows on? play Twentieth teacher, music 2 as life--early my here and father, variety of much KE: that that little But old in my same this the active Actually was there Camp training so and working, church--in my was was that a had I at Nineteen 1940. I However, Players" in Roberts, the freshman And because with radio and in was. it directed Camp activities do the Wilson radio. in to your to in was Hyde shows in time about speech in I guess I forty-one, down something all. at Robert under U, have went U. what having been we the now, they Nothing No. then to see Did you'd that And returned Roberts? KE: us. class I speech major, and--and was Speech I took taught the by Hyde Robert Wilson. B I see. Bt a L alny ¥ specch’ ldutdnisestalkes speech class, as I recall, 3 at in high Granite schoel. Junior, I took under KEITH ENGAR a #1 fellow mother years as of a going and unique celewantiat hurry to do to fit West. Well, we just g cnl either the Idanho, forms like it two full High. don't three in And know pencils shorthand. High there, through took West my but and didn't transferred was--tried have you live very to be much a chicken money, farmer, and my and clothes and-- at this time? B T Bt e Aviennel B and East or ision il couldl chawve jgone o West. farmer out there? Chaitawas nloneneor resumed He living from: and teaching, at up went 3100 South, to Inkom, and-- yes. In 1936, at any I and was put And way my--I L% brief I and doing but my So East, time. that? shabby, East. work attendedsBast didn't of ol Nagmes at adily, to have clerk. e chicken Oh, was didn't did Ninth or father kind Whers A Why my were in, have way of Iewaseurilousihthatiyou to didn't and shorthand Sisl to a I to stenographer had thi's seem £ a was of together EC: I typing kind £ Larson--but thought school I named a as a rate--oh, had master. band been cheerleader I don't kind and of He know--I a big very I was 4 was a was shot teacher. wonderful a at sensitive Bryant, interested in But youngster know. I athletics. I you KEITH ENGAR can #1 remember have I kind was--I made the but of only ten was so of me. I had one ane Ehiel was worth But ‘cappella the was whole that two-thirty. surely The was great Lyle time there. Then at at was at foday?s Or? —= Oh, yes. It wonderful. And who that were you Well, can some of think of? I.can only outstanding, history. was a but he It seems and by also, that I that time was was as I major be there left. But cosmopolitan wonderful. outstanding tsacher teachers he if you remember him or oh, was that another And And I and Curtis. me. silly East. Bradford, at High. that and twelve with argue I'd I that remember I there, would him Nellie call taught not. a He lot; Pugsley, typing. indicated stimulated at Joe know And was was over like it that stimulated shorthand had one liberal, flaming they guess reason your didn't Bryant. remember don't I in you've and I another It that warm-up-suits, demanded at asittE s s was But KSL East West at experience under Jjob and had squad. choir that body I uniforms--10 miserable student East, hypersensitive. my So at prestige basketball I I B cheerleader least--and at KE: a same factor EC: was the players, EC: I the quite man yesars the an at interest West 5 I've when High? in ztalked history. to Was you, this KEITH KE: ENGAR No. #1 I've I EEG: KE: two volumes some talents? chose? @hs yes. a I can't think I and I EC: as well. We didn't a large the I'm can remember by directed as Dad, that and a a was members a lovely woman on these wonderful of But was it say,--put I in was play. and time, career title, the the about the I remember z2nything at develop expsrience family. How Partridge. And your you? were seven. of youngest I other about speak family I And ward the in shows variaty And then Enceiand Jessie named And There the to did.: eleven experience. wonderful gave ward. to contributed Lovely. about was the Lincoln. people this remember even of Mormon the in young for feel Lookin' called play was Mother biography activities surely L Yeshs It have. there you Do history. sixteen, Sandburg always your opportunities in was I Carl read, to wera you interested When the indicated you Now, in loved just been mother. my of doing me always s=se. EC: I KE: And my my oldest Rhad a brother City. sister, Maybe Norfia, George, you can who married remember 6 musician. professional a had who Truman dentist, a was Karl brother was married sister oldest a Grant dance band Liston. in George--George My Salt next Lake Engar--and I KEITH ENGAR he #1 passed and a away sister, in 1969. Anna Laura, vdidn&' mentiont wasalre sl the theater. Did you And is, then and I I have me. loved And in when you sports in one tennis. oelkiaisalteenaiger, participate a brother of I the loved additien things sports. to I lowving university? the to got Byron, No. at West; and West team, the a was fifteen, had been some of those? Yes. Dick Rick Arner, on was when some in Actually and got C, discussion to wanted I and or speech had U, the to I was i you number was much pretty one. decided theater? go interesting where He yes. Rick, with came you No. a I. perhaps? career a and Bennion Dick behind than older somewhat contemporary was Well, KE: state, the in eight I when and West; at number what--just along You I team I boysltennis. in B tennis ranked was I my badly. very ankle sprained the on regular Wwas I but on resgular a been have would I think I squad basketball the and East at squad basketball the made I But talent. the have didn't probably And Yes. mostly? working were You time? have didn't You into law. thing--I advocating And I tried Latin participated a point of in view KEITH ENGAR and #1 I got welll, ‘boy, batter then my clobbered really narrative they didn't have say and then No. We EC: Oh, I KE: And then-- EC: As KE: Yes part of €0 'go" ta I see. I so was b my a back I than chose theater, that, speech. was And Dr. Lees. In of in the fall class back to the U. us, to so Camp I They they-Roberts and inducted here? summer doing basic training. see. ROTC back Lees the program? redlly not Candidate I done lovely to part of ‘the ROTC. to send us, We had School. U. And to the U he have who place the play previously; important any myaediaiEes, didn't Amy, have came first sicas T me s very So thought, that send taken better I mention ROTC to didn't us Dr. had to And ses. student. I place "itWwas thesy in up this 'Officer's brought that me needed were the Welly; And about the I any fired brought see. argue else. any spent opposition. something I you the can't brought You KE: I choose what '43, EC: 1f by to I later quarter directed. me. tof aet forty hours had ball became to 8 just the a my like that wife. year and And a they sameg Minnesota; had'time" work was from sver I so that so so for a the collepge week, which quarter. And I it Met was KEITH ENGAR BE s And KE: Yes, #1 Lowell Lees yes. EC: how sort So model chats was. for you? and was he was just--he'd excited really involved so became I how He me got Jjust he a and he that's and of walks charming fire. on A theater. some have he Did Plummer? Gail about How long theater the the in have know anybody about what? We'd a--well,--you set became influence upon It took you? KE: I wasn't me years But the it no, could I a was was and theater; Lowell was, interpretation the strong suit of Lila Eccles se=2. Let's were all Yes, yes. And this Brimhall, Now at combined, They was Yes. Actually, when I first time, and speech with Howe. Hill drama page, theater--they they? were until separate Lowell Joseph Louise Redd, studied I've department. Marion that didn't under ths printed the of into depart- the in class interp every took me attracted who Lees fine about question no man, wonderful really Gail's appreciate That ment. EC: he And qualities. that. I before Lowell. to was I as Gail to close as F. 1962. Lees? Smith chairman was of the department started. ses. BEC: L KE: And '42. then he was called to be a patriarch--I guess in KEITH ENGAR RC: And KE: Well, I KE: #1 then succeeded no. see. Now, did you On April ROTC. Gail when no BEC: went place And 1943. to what ROTC send us you to we we do go lon the full '44--all Roberts, then, back here then, And then the the inducted 19435. and to into were 5, When military? inducted April came military. time all of Camp so in were class to chairman. being litary down did interim about When SRullIS CimeSmi we Lees? university had--the intomshe was spoke the 5, Lowell Plummer you leave We by thatis they had U. as part of this =3 (] program? Took an This was Yes. Sure. I was they engineering forced skipped ailifzebipa (52 R baffled a KE: by V-7 Gake night Wdid at me from take a the particular hours. until the IWncver And the eighth first: 'dild took eighth grade six ‘eatchl I trig. grade. into or on. course? To Then the eight And ninth weeks this day, of I am algebra. so much Program. Wcoursest mare wvery math missed Wand sounds Navy ol L you--to Twenty-three good grade;vand" It upon Sure. always course. for well" I in like my left here trighand me. in®Trig. E¥sce. 10 carser. in all See, '43 this, also. and I was in the And we had it was Jusc KEITH KE: ENGAR #1 Blte=—aindE in the and first at West U U. do So your and a the is I you office, Born "Well, I in then went I was on me tha thgek' graduated from cracking with me. have. no charm quarter hardly let that's my first away could on much that at So I didn't And of course excuse. the military. And in field artillery in the ROTC, way to fight that that had ARSI A n Selon intol ST he to time what 12, il to the ofifice. was a my: 1944, your Candidate My £father into father the was "Yes." check. You're to the.air app/lication Tisaid, I Sill, citizen?" loyalty WaSe into Fert called was I =oliidyWilVie s, WEanuary Transfer Officer's do Saldn S Tst a in maturalized a no go to "Engar, said, sergeant 'Is requested 1869--and in was orders on calllled’ Norway haven't I or training advanced iniNeorway. o was--I get book intelligence, my without a into was I And S oii fl o Fid eip Borcels I wouldn't but by remember say, transferred--I the and we I got native brutal. have time, dawned for born and can Jjust should Schee lEMind®Eitwvas was I I fli“coulidn't full forc=s. Oklahoma U. crack experience? So 2ie didn't it, as dfound as soon war. of that. fascinating. it the at teachers wartime Well, years of el working Okay. KE: and well was I honors, Those as thae absolutely with al¥hoelc;® the is was High #s=ly there there the Eo three whatesver whatever I Thsid left for "well, Santa let Ana, KEITH ENGAR all #1 alone, to gerating, but January of the As a? As a of go into I--I '44, entered, and navigator. got may well air got force. And preflight, out, and I they was may be called overseas exagit--in by October year. same ever the And through I flight know school of anybody quite that else who fast. There not awarse I'm were, there if but been, have don't it Qi Hows 'did' yious you had learned that were Oh, yes. for Ymaith. able Sure. = Q you I se=. -~ [=5] And I was I remember 2P made a in as I'm glad a AT that was Bl BT a had and wanting who was to he and saven would 12 kind be a I have had some of as but a a as aptitude tThing. they a high as navigator bombardier, besn And navigator, really elght as problems? pilot, was was training natural classified I navigator. any a that ‘recalll, which military without was--I logarithms scale; pilot, I short navigator--unless nine-point six was--I anybody a your handle desperately THloiE o8 SAn on I excellent classified they to in all and math, your upon to'call have much adequate. fascinating and But expe- KEITH ENGAR #1 riences. EC: S0 KE: I you went was some based of EC: Yes. KE: I had I think KE: overseas. my in Where? the Hawaiian experiences. him in I You preflight remember at his had Santa Islands. Let me mentioned Kim Newby?-- Ana. telling me about that. Ana Nestmiahadihiimeasteprefldght in Santa then to Hondo, the summer navigation. school at of '44, Las Vegas been murder; so went directly Eeasining. second the The in the And what they'd tha stuck tawenits of had time I down this air to is a force. the plane was in an was to fly Qe advance to gunnery That would no and transition airplane, a met plane the to crew as from crew the and a for expert my pilot teokhofif. airplane. SEgrth.s 13 no Had they meter, bottom of Andl a have Didn't the balclkeland the for training, tribute met And that? in the real I 1944. us '44. gunnery before crew. sandri tt of absolutely I night was send Saipan. the in no had Met Eor elstha6t I summer in Texas didn't navigator, time kind compass Itk the first C-47. DC-3, the of the first time--but training they from--I Hawaii, first for in but lieutenant Kahuku went Fortunately have we I recount the I plane, had. just anything or Loran had calibrate to chance hole little a with my a thing little old KEITH ENGAR #1 Sexton. it Of was course kind of they an had radio exhilarating compass and kind and of all; but frightening experience. Welil' W tha't "sial pretty good flight for a DC-3, isn't 162 KE: No, no. Oh, KE: And no. We did it in little spurts. We--we went Island. Johnston to Hawaii in Field Hickman from EC: Oh, yes. the worked like I guess I in. got we but Trojan, a remember can I and head; my of back the on ears--eyes having I and Pacific, the in speck a was that I'm survived. here. 194-°? That's time. that at Saipan Okay. Four. Ehacl'sei chtl to Marshall landed near then to an had the And as I strains how times of change--and been, of morning on playing sat for 14 down the a to past the in twenty-sixth; hall, fiddle--and my Christ- on Johnston mess the into the then and Majuro in twenty-fifth walked somebody "You've the Saipan; 1944, day, down Island experience interesting off of Hawaii. said, Einewetak, evening the voice Johnston Took Islands. the from Christmas spent We mas. I Majuro. to home taken? was ‘route Our to Kwajalein, been recently only had It Four. dinner. fifteen Island, I heard this And is the minutes, KEITH ENGAR #1 you've been is in KSL that listening Salt same Fall KE: QELrA5sswhen and Ralph Hardy--he in the I of William may well This announced Another thing I back-- came I when fall, Hardman. have previously. I Actually the way, you learn to And @=As s never to land. Yes. We to go Okinawa squadron Okinawa. them, were we ‘then was whole '45. plane By did kind of outfitted with C-46s, which at least never Went down fly? airplane to war--through the What in? stay you did what of part through we'rs Now was that rate, any at experience. interesting Okay. then--but but program, special a on before, there announcer an been had month. a for KSL on announcer an being oI Jjoy real the had I so And notice. short very on quit had announcar an apparently and in director--came who CBS, of vice-president be to used Hardy--but Ralph our Hardy--not doing was I And Players. KSL the for acted had in--I was I '‘baick. Ralph program then was of year and night one that, hit And a came L Howe Hill Louise EC: music of? EC: an is you, the City." program tell didn't Lake to of those take to had October in went wiped been Half--we twenty to designed two had them were 15 fly--or of '45. out sets C-47s there. Our hurricane that down C-46s by a of and to--had airplanes--half twenty of them KEITH ENGAR #1 were C-46s. of navigators; to go Now, first were How many was in the times did we fly only we Or would back set scheduled of Japan just have Carrier one were invasion Troops? Troops you pilots, that any what? 316th of later in And--but that supplies? carried troops Squadron. and forth across the time? this during Pacific wave carrying, supplies. sets learned undertaken. I two I be too. 'lot. “gosh,"a Qb and the you Well, had in to had EC: We Besimar Syl SEoMH atwiali i02 L0 pNdid youl maks it back to the states? EC: I see. KE: As a SS Hunter matter such straight--flying Jeep Nimitz's ECs We took in the hours a sundry items as who he was, at any rate, day for six the for I but yes, weeks Admiral tanks, wing pads sanitary to those of But eight Guam, a WAC's. once. Philippines I was navy. various and for airsea you to down load a Yes, So of average an flew know general. famous a was don't I and the boat, on overseas went I fact, of states. the to back it made never Ligget; he guess I I no. no, No, rescue. were in like things That the that. would service 16 We have until took to small a be when? in a The helicopter C-46. beginning KEITH ENGAR R #1 2v46), er' KE: AcEuailllp, BC: S0 you and ddildnlt 2e6 out to civilian returned and drama KE: No, I BEs Oh, after KE: Yes. at the never--I see. I mean, I returned. I being get July life of fall I only the spent spent one And they a Under of "46. with a B.A. in speech Utah? bachelor's one until '47. quarter. quarter after my Junior gave a of college navigator, me and I thelspringvofatdy S Aindvthen the of returned? see, I until University didn't you You for fef N 45% '47, Lowell to come up did you lot was I here able quit as my a to Jjob year. So credit graduate in at KDYL in to go on wanted me to T.A. Lees? Yes. And at and get a Oh, I had do what point graduate decide you wanted degree? mother My always. had always that. Did you Yes, I And then Then And under I continue got my your master's master's here? here. what? went to something the on Minnesota of influence for Ph.D. experiences your of my a great, i like thers? Did Lowell Lees? you come KEITH KE: ENGAR #1 Yes, I and did. he's Lake. still He a was Whiting. dear from And friend. Utah. I KE: Lowell Is He's He got a wonderful retired his out Ph.D man, to Salt degree under there. was this why Yes, I for Yes. Instead No, talked what Maude on she have you became your active; She hadn't as a nice instructor Did it have anything the American your speaking background? your earlier. the Satire in Babcock--only her but I evening. that Now, life? remember I Library; she'd nevertheless, here. no. did 1950. to about called they appointment Political was of meant And subject? or locale, Friends you Lowell assistant. thesis 1900 why. an graduate the to of mean? ask I because assistant. to thing once me you your from Minnesota, that's gave thesis My no. a this with Theater, One of was what do guess Minnesota, in to graduate a Back And I me--they of instead went there? guess. thing to you influence Lees' No, was see. B KE: he Minnesota. at Lowell, EC: Frank passed away. 18 think don't What away had you that's influence passed she which in and did before disciples KEITH ENGAR #1 BG? She hadn't? KE: No. I EC: I KE: And met her. see. I wrote at the so I so Yes, by Utah, knowledge of her. I as had sure very did. I standard. could Lila thesis of you any master's University had Oh, my be. and much to sure did. Her She mind was through on the from do She Maude was but obviously Redd of beginning with went, Marion history a and until May, 1919, then? remarkable her an dramatics body woman, was active influence, through through Louise Hill programs. Now, 2 «Q Howe. But I even had a Maude teacher, Maude had Oh, a surse. that I I missed I the was a a who remember dynamite and course school had in my textbook; I to take guess I--I don't I teacher had know to that opportunity. were at a and don't take I Okay, you Minnesota 19 for Maybe at the regret how the she from I had same that, long? must state. know--I now. BC: so under classes, apparently. class what. studied speech influence--throughout chance I high Tuttle, Babcock's class something. required And terrific She a in Lucille May missed offered or so, Babcock. using have more I regret her. was She scarad another time; very but much KEITH KE: ENGAR From ' 48 this 4 #1 ta saga went that on had the is the Ilene--the 4 '51 seen to see the a very And I I of would I first station that's old the a And come the how I'm in Channel My of Sister Channel was--I They think called me work for them got into televi- I first Denver that play, it to very between '48, manager that's in chapter of W6XIS. to something the directed were And another April the play. want did. In And letters involved was had play. was And that And call there's important. review which I Coast. air. if television, sion. very freshman station up and--oh, and very telecast the proud in of Pacific of. KDYL? Yes. kind was it And transmitter, jerry-built a of I understand? Yes. A of the of named Herb Channel Who Well, Building. Bank Walker the was the constructed was [encver iknowe iNdeon 't one that thing huge engineers Hoslthowser, you And, the in who if Bub dst.. \saw site. on know, control on I can room became later was was chief 7. manager owner was of Sid Channel Fox. SidiFox? Yes. 20 4 at that time? teop of the remember a fellow 2ngineer KEITH ENGAR #1 BC: We KE: Oh, EC: Yes, KE: That's good. He EC: And after a KE: Well, EC: Had now his so then you I away, No, but me. I as you know, at the university. an interloper, opening for to a make I I remember a engineer an But Hall Kingsbury too take that considered was. half commercial didn't I guess for the on he he place shows--radio Had because you? produce shows And you taught I job. to when fellow named kindly I was he later program here, anyway, and-- left of course think don't Whiting I was loved comparison brisf Lees, Lowell under Well, a give you Could that an here. think what? commitment wanted gone. was I And and be worked was back, coming my a television Crawford to of then U. interesting and I while Jones. Clarence the afita peltfa cill itys dn Thairelish Robert to kind Lees an with built Minnesota--1951, there'd Lowell primarily--and named say perhaps character. back some department, the was in directly given back s SfEatciton that colorful years think came a few that I in was came been shows, KE: here, do. we time EC: papers really. went KE: have and what had Minnesota the theater a wonderful about the you the encountered far department teacher. department 21 of more was And in at Minnesota? resources, any one but--I better. Frank the things of Minnesota, they KEITH ENGAR had #1 major courses RE: Was names from this in the people to English like help you Robert in department. Penn writing Warren and And I took a play and-- your work as tell you' wright? eI denit Brewster Ghiselin oSN toek exacting. best Min let you get teacher from away him, with what, I and ever he was anything. that. I never and you were He weigh you made He teacher. needed I And I writing spreseody stimulating word. know. forgot lesson. that I the cgurse wouldn't single avery EC: He SN jusitsdon’t was wonderful, a was Tknowe. W I missed I guess And time. half back him; you came when you were commercial in outside this "was solon, preductianstand involved teaching your' regular the extension activity? No. was That Hal of aegis the under Bentley of division. I Oh, I was I see. see. responsible Now, at because Plummer, your that. did time this of for him to you get involved in over association with Gail Kingsbury Hall? KE: Well, an Lowell Lees trying to yeah, and get Hal Bentley. Channel was association my but 7 on 22 And the were they air. I primarily busily think the with engaged channels KEITH ENGAR #1 were finally one of EC: To KE: Right. EC: This the help things was Yes, one bad that I he to help of Yes. Ha unsung and that was Lowell Lees and to. under other the was, all him of he that the this. It's deserves, we fund got for that adult station. people and our difficulty in credit from the establishing had hero through establish the in You then some of the educational with J. problems television Bracken Lee, who governor? vetoed baclkeson vit, a bill I'm glad crzating he the state authority. Looking did. Why? think I Cause EC: Than KE: Yes. EC: Iif it the ufiiversity, of KE: it education was energies get was whatever some an it or are 1952, 7°? doesn't $150,000 Who my in assignments is think station? EC: your Bently encountered KE: devoted Channel of Hal because EC: sometime 0lpin? and too I establish President KE: allocated the the state had has--been a licensee. better authority? a been would state would University Probably university the for have it but authority have been located completely here on independent Administration? been 25 independent. I don't know, KEITH ENGAR #1 but--I just don't for example, say this hadn't I was been for some time, And, How? got carry was the it? There kind I along he he and was on pity. the air. did the I'1ll if you know, Bateman like any certainly at the rate, that come and that. rivarlry at it established Jjust But university And and Allen were a Olpin, happened least intense $150,000---but Where at Chase of station this have came that money. never But Dayrl feel finding know, and fingers) With Olpin. you really at contributions. which finally I would Ray Wilkinson (Crossing But genius KUED A. station. Ernie 2 flatly, made the know. up we wouldn't with some money. KE: MelSivESclc become of tualliy active in an Educational EoNzet A and '57, and that over. where was And a was tThen called ezt ional called research worked with wonderful worked that with that to The they had American make. President I National I was for Educational was Olpin 24 Paris, my I release was got funding 1956 system, family systen on what Stations: edu- forgot away--I the =snough in little Radio had Association broadcasting prepared see, ™l broadcasting Took French that fortunate ‘to French year. the mention gran® a ‘raldisoMindyiile tlis trying tof Broadcasters. I shows period outfit Bultbpightts on was i chd i deWiisnecd’ away the point during for I the Channel KEITH ENGAR 7. I #1 know he went who had the transmitter which bought was to Bennet Channel site what we 4 (?) from available used for allocated the basement Union Building, for the still of pathetic. And there when did January after KUED 20, go Syd and some of studio the And they equipment funds. what Then was made available, President then facilities. twenty-five on at--TIME/LIFE Fox. matching Olpin is Larson, the And years--which old KUED is kind air? 1958. After you'd returned Yes. Oh, yes. I '57, '58, you from Paris? returned from Paris in the summer of 85T And, were KUED? establishing on working Yes. What I was specific role--your director, program was first I your station and title? Evans Richard C. was the manager. see. resigned. he But and 20th, resigned he The in March on the '58. So I a couple went station of air became January station manager. BC Now, or let's you see. chose You your were assigned assistants--in Campbell? 25 Boyer of assistants, Jarvis and Rex KEITH ENGAR #1 KE: No. RES I KE: And he the only Actually President called it. one Rex us that was BEC: Sterling McMurrin? KE: Sterling by Well now, with at those. what front We KE: Yeist@lsayas have of them what which was es on stations on a kind to of some something And of first He you program television on early T was devote was program to-- know, that the I to assistant So, went TUHINsay. time KSL. was time. kind I you air? was began Did you on? don't have tThe program but-- five we a theavy or ten bicycle hours (?) like two wouldn't a is of As night rnecall, programming Television, work and depended they were recorded a film quality. broadcast 26 As+I week And things. hours a net which tube--wretched those way. Educational programs. Recorder, of that National present television while. manager. called Kinescope remember the the at Boyer the ilgwwas like was a time at it me, or and--but here. something from the when energy think the Wesi.aSurel. EC: got I was directors full instructional QhEsNyest we and default, KUED, into in KSL, McMurrin, probably, logs the working at get associate had director on, chose see. to EC: Olpin I for record Maybe recall, the weekends you we first off can were little because we KEITH ENGAR #1 didn't have KE: Let's EC: guess I Gosh, Jjust I Evans. large. very in early educational were some wonderful remember there like seems lighter the was more on this your idea, Cracroft Paul didn't And Maxwell. that on Maxwell. Neal Neal air conducted. interviews Yes. the operator. Dick fade. not I that things the television--it KE: on manager. audio an maybe was it but remember of One be traffic a Memories look. to have can't not with? begin had and Holtshouser, I'd would you was--we It see. Herb And did staff a of much How money. and-- holidays EC: the a have series side? Yes. Was begin to b billy WS ENGdione @ hEMpiclc 'I Yes, knows review news weekly a have program? this called Seven was involved o weSused think that Days, I did. EC: He EC: Okay. KE: Yes. of EC: on was KE: a When He weekly I 4 Channel was came on Durham in something not? he was too, there Homer G. like Seems Allan with 4. Channel review of up here Moll. But, yes, and had they kind news. the and 27 of course started to gather KEITH ENGAR #1 university I was looking seem of to for have funds, like I see. was the archives, some of those disappeared; and you had don't know that Was this yes. Oh yes. Because of the Oh in to EhoSyesas Nos S a8 you WiellMPsEs el o was to an it re-use the things interviews. a case the they unusual were of tape actually procedure, youlknew, of your L[hwant the Sthaith T in-school They shortage or something ever recorded. network, elvelny translator "eorcnelr! line-item basis Incidentally, at this carry on let Well, or all, the me of was the from this brag to This is them? a ftalk are biit? about whast here. "think the I control which state; the did for KUED and of got the the the daily public signal finaneing, on legislature. have schools the did 1 strictly a to contribute legislative toward appropriation programs? tell you how in-school started. Tape record programming--the schools: el if you under the to accomplishments Sthie Mt hiiinigis establish mind programming--completely of of expense?-- FaciE,f some to old was INESsa vieSNe——dedyou feel a one this? Well, I records programming got Engar. And | - Side side One) two of our interview 28 with Keith KEITH ENGAR #1 he's telling us about the school program in Educational Television. KE: Well, for the National research Anastasion, And it we did school were who the very a do difference and yet part of is the in that get of ©he out there matched function any were of in skill the And we the of could classroom 29 I me. And So Oakley we made Education into And the to public some television, language, achievement only say teacher, the None respond. Russian for that learned with we Russian difference--makes differences groups. got even going are kids And we the teachers medium. funded. And That the of got Now into teaching of got the makes had O0ffice that. schools. of for school. wonderful superintendents new school. we the lot programming of the how A a Andre schools. programs measure S. public school component after teacher teachers to and school things wary. U. study, it put the after research did into provision named make threatening proposal to to had the would and very this first in this television schools, classroom these Russian hours; EThisH We interesting of teaching daytime the the schools. the chap resources research tohdo how a me anmappliication was there's to wary to funds And the elementary Gordon Act conservative, very devised to to have in were was project, not Education projects. occurred research Defense that on the this motivating KEITH ENGAR #1 them. we But were at any heavy rate, in language. eight years, and Lhaldi stakantd €t as) EC: Let's KE: I it ran Channel started, the go. then for about where Now I I'm felt going mind. don't you if and 7 point would here, can say--an eccentric chap too convoluted to be may this ten in television they forced they created television Jjust to NAEB two and first television named C. Scott tell. But NAEB for board. but equal radio. I And who Fletcher, 50 was there's had telewvision a been that word to be--well, was dominated people new that, of part that In reorganize. very ‘a hawe the And any want didn't separate one going operators. station radio big by was I western the kindest who And was. committee. public the guess was--I There be. to came to committee it I And how, i canicrol et in ST o nine bR E SmalSEe elected representing NAEB, of was affiliates that fifapentiocicas ionst son P tworidi Sitaite board the to elected affiliates think I terms, for twice the affiliates that on managers chairman elected I was I committee. three-year two for also, And Association National the in beginning, affiliates station the twice, I it to Broadcasters. an had represent the from active NET was as further Educational of far got got do. was of I finally little a brag to that so reorganization, boards--one for to that remarkable chap elected head of the fund KEITH ENGAR for #1 adult block education. And two eccentric, who would this chairman of the old television and I not be don't even of to as for head he Ford to the give things, EC: Yos .l ¥es: KE: Very close that we done. my to Ford suggestion never forget content to he very the time, this meeting operate but we bring you know. we and where he peanuts. 31 retired he came 1lit And Edsel had things entirely to year, for said, run bought And aboard. he knows who us He suggested I board into done man. getting a the So he--it established dependent $5,000,000 Scott educational outside were Fletcher C. and so of first And knew outs could the powerful the the done, he had who fellow--and service. with He the I very from for Foundation Scott at Second, a ins the and was able somebody programming And Fletcher man; about at Because that of so to been never finagled establish Hoffman, A get do we national Paul I've the was have education. Scott the 1) chairman board. Ford to was knew was I adult money I him. better the upon a with than more and did: organization. Henry met these the for never had worked the it. suggested fund It I of new station. NET. had our he something saying board--I convinced telavision did mind head who I I logically because chairman that Fletcher was board. elected meeting board, things I'll being "These KEITH ENGAR are #1 the things your manager, that you that will to White Then RorMa a that a ciation chairman that Schenkkan who an that accident that was things those all had we my fate one the maybe--that small will will of study come funded President was attorney was his Marks also NAEB--National Asso- it the coincidence: Robert named Texas. from was things those contribution a coincidences of the fellow, and for @ut be to fellow a was going that of Further remarkable a was to made. Leonard And for selected we formed that another Broadcasters. Educational of that attorney be series was call be service, One Marks. a funds, to out a conference conference will and chairman, a come sttudy convince Education that are lot. the be to happened of to call of will got board to there Leonard named fellow Out Johnson; Baines Lyndon that programming Now a that helped your got commission national congress." the by of broadcasting; a for call You've Office natilonal national educational a the out do. You've conference. el call, from to people, money. finance House got board more that. comema that your need get you've Jjust, I think, happened. to what is now have a now So But public broadcasting. FE: It's rather interesting Christensen--head KE: that of--PBS. Yes. o2 we Utahn Bruce KEITH EC: ENGAR So #1 with this, station here KE: Yeshitina U585 RiE Thel BEC: on we launched the University eventsiI'm that--in 1963 So is this talking were struggling these years National KE: eshy talking Yes. about Now was'this Three years later. EC: Three years later. KE: We KSL FM of Electrical oW bnen to convince did--that to just Elcnew: "You And air. no had radio say much, to the a lot. with program? were you, local? Let the off no." in studios me tell you Hall. And KUED? I And Olpin that future; country, the finally, he And 33 we that in said, Department the a year f£ighting hard use would just was course, of he they and Kingsbury to transmitter it be ttereieindaseo always pretty the air. the FM its detunel radio sweep zears radio President the on thing for national-- Engineering, vand 1t than Okay. given had later '63°? opposed on wonderful those much funding contemporaneous KE: had to the as get to came got '58 Tineshif tinge KUER how from organization e television Utah? happened really during EC: about you you 1'm of when that, Yes. educational '64. and Before KE: an felt put to ought as everybody was television off board. the frustration "Well, if that you I going And said, can't KEITH ENGAR #1 convince So I me, that a chart and that And KE: Yes. Television EC: to done many rise. And to the key were finally was it and that that premise the being getting in So convinced regents, on regents?" homework. sets figure done the my FM the this for convince it students. as direction, was the TV? of Director it Services. And I think time, June 6, 1961. with your television stayed You Okay. how title was--my commencement at your me hadn't the ground under I Yes. I was It training fell that was who through. BC s on present station a me was Miner be expect to it Blancche would you indicating me let to him do indicated got sold, how Radio and the air on went and radio tell you assignment until?-sixty-five. Nineteen any have EC: Yes. KE: So I it think Explain KE: A a was rather translators HC: corner it had of the Lyle than me Let recognized I future, every at get did. I that thing Fletcher? then. aboard came He Yes. James under is this And to that have a if one were KUED that system other to would state. Keys who expensive suggested that we use stations. translator. translator is a low-powered 34 transmitter, with a receiver KEITH ENGAR that EC: #1 takes a signal and rebroadcasts Now the and so I KR Qh, a I remember can to county if they would another can finding Vision." you know, this over that from this state would We had Act, the KVED Is that which funding that we were 35 able to And to talk equipment the mention should Educational the designed--and was stations mors pretty over. trying I was passed congress--designed put 2ll provide funding. the provide relays a It's Mountains. get all going Facilities the through you bill though and, Oquirrh commissions. Television got bought We know. don't the because site that on out Anyway, I first The commission--maybe "Mount on was state. the Fortunately, in. it 1965. know. don't good haven't remember--into can't I now? it call they what know,--I County. county the talked Vision Wyoming, project. Millard in putting Mount transmitter static, Cody, within interesting board--I and it for site in since station translators and up don't I have installed the translators? still was“an off frequency. up, the school the was it picked there. system translator, the are another with was translator on strips do "Thills Myes air, through these to we the signal KUED cable anything noticed BC: at Are a Probably had the signals on. off to equip on the get stations air. the this It was translator KEITH ENGAR #1 network. EC: KE: And so this out into the was primarily President school monies--you Olpin had legislature. it get get uniform item get the the from signal to than state eighty or population, So Front. the in ones the being line to in the of a money on royalties. communities. outlying | Right! was presented San Juan to Was legislature? the his Did this? of supportive reception of kind what recall you Do purposes, station resource population Wasatch percent ten That more percent the doing percent the finally took the of ninety to was It percent ten financed know,--mineral anesEhersdEhinesliadid to educational hinterlands? Right. the for you the this when had fellow from this want people faea 14y 2 we Actually go didn't the through legislature on this. s ool I directly went We to the counties. see. We were to the the county you EE: And KE: Right. BE: And what did was licensee the of translators, but we went commissions. the the negotiating general with reaction? 36 the counties, did you? KEITH KE: ENGAR #1 Well, you they--a know. lot television of first designed commercial stations BCi i, very operating was a up very, a the happy haphazard signal. to Ours So it have was was--the these sites they did the under the old think could--I and commercial very state. what happened Oh BiE- Something have the of these able KE: Oh; for e So, some served. the know don't wrong and they save Monson's, Charles to save prevented us two from or But in. get didn't others; three saving think I and we too many archives. sakes. heaven Now or to bulkiness of lost opportunity the in I destroyed? get they went did--were but to there. Did really? KE: liked havel would history, Utah Miller's Dave I history, in bulky. tremendously They're one It's philosophy. Monson!s tapes, the here have we And €Charles of taught courses the inferested’ "being had but in they saved. we few the have we system television. instance, for" Yes. pick of some over program, KE: this just were because remember of But were television, thing. same I commercial counties They'd pioneered, EC: the seen translators. arrangement. the They'd these I efforts early don't know 57 how aren't usable going they're to be going pre- to KEITH ENGAR #1 be--whether KE: not. I think reasons. that e Yes, tape them you is could And then would staff. you know, swtorhelid less it. So at make measure. And was he so And felt all university. some of friends, and some had you with enemies is bulky. about, the difficulty to this give a man--almost idea great consider real bitter the world's not manager. people many kinescope accomplished some department. the the be here today, historical might handling had had equal in financial difficult or of inclined was He for to you elsewhere? greatest a thing go in had superior television problems I've about, Lees equipment cassettes--could way to the useful educational Dr. Well, much a chose you so video be had in his to with probably know,--one on had you was toiral account to genius in scme apparently things--but instance. for budget, He, me. Yes. = o o IR that dlon Ut doing he do Plummer, Gail and wasn't il BT him an hiin(ol slol, MG al il be to the know dontt injustice, him between trouble the think? you chosen pcnewmitha g 1L of basis the this wasn't And KE: just that Yes. KE: they're it's--you that RC: idea. The dubbing compatible no have I or they're i disappeinted permanent that but--at.any 58 wast at all. rate, I chairman. It they may be were KEITH EC: ENGAR #1 kind of I've heard with the Well, of I was horrendous, KE: When BE Oh, yes. The weather, we G Yes. KE: They did years. el and you its And yiou could a you Well the the north blame of course, centennial such that. they a And weren't factor. income was a exceeded function this.kind major of more thing. project like him all for instead the Olpin, the of end disassemble of-- stadium. football I it? amphitheater--outdoor proper a made President can't that then in get and where and stage there to of way. they And was a over Yes. connection one. expect with, Yes. in study theater khow, begin KE: the mean, amphitheater--to Improvising careful weather profit--I assemble EC: overruns biggest The Had yes. Oh the up see. how to ran four pay had into you hiie You coming Story. g to a Side in see did West made theNve budget that? expense, that I was only don't a--I first one great festivals. done Which RC: the summer EEs RE that. I've when so like saw think, stadium an opportunity finished. guess I that. was this celebration. 59 tied into the Days of '47, L KEITH ENGAR KE: ¥Yas',* EC: And KE: That's #1 That¥s' capitalizing right. theater, I go And to I think Lees were do they or whatever. call Let's that. still had maybe resigned Pasadena they on But we'd had--Dr. to BG: tight. to in be a they have in summer 1964, president box. Boyer of He succeeded on Bud a proper amphi- festivals. veryeshort the Pasadena Jarvis him?--Administrator see. formed had been of Theater Jack down a terrific But notice, Playhouse. acting--what Activities, there, didn't he? KE: Yess EC: To KE: ¥e st AndWBudybysthe would expect on BEC: "Right. be manager very I would he had he, short be I think he come I see. just did any rate, And so Jack serve in the over with was (Dr. Jjust Lees) Adamson theatre President coming accepted barely he job, as resigned asked area. one I me if guess Fletcher. in, wasn't position, the he? In hadn't occurred? was. '62 in At to Fletcher he way, do. this this I to willing had when something. notice. talked he because BEC: him President fact, or flew or back think No, I '63? Yes, with him Okay. 40 I to Fletcher know he attend was was this in--didn't there in meeting-- '64 KEITH KE: ENGAR #1 That Scotty fuzzy on those was asked and Director also I to Fletcher to of For KE: Yes. Right. place for whom Ogden, SSENEE skt about station for the And closed rate, I department, I another is did. And factor circuit that tele- I as far I that felt I as I “ehat E ound SgistEN And could had a money studio he and so But that. ran all det of television the taken Dail named couldn't go, in instructional member staff of. deal put some had established we great had television a in phenomenal a they they And put we ill, a say, Hall ready was I career. another to went you So I as And that. KUER. studio. So had ol of any Theater--which Spencer or thought I at mind that. Orson We television. my mean? good for Anyway, chairman mention--was television And there. 7 and equipment. some for In a acting developed you campus, EC: up. sure--but University didn't I set I'm as Channel See, on over the mentioned--I vision. BC: details. take run had the Memorial Pioneer Theater that at time? KE: the In And a KE: of fall '64. of chairman the department combined moved, they No. When was created in department of or October speech, when of 41 of--in that time 1t was drama? the Pioneer Memorial '62, that's when they Theater split KEITH ENGAR the #1 department. EC: I KE: That EC: I KE: And Dr. EC: And what KE: Hal Greaves EC: And okay, now did you first? KE: see. fall, yes. see. Well, Lees was did we teach. season had they were have then and got Is 1t I to going been is at changed of they's a way strength what kind of heck a the class accept to they which a to do I the with took And Film, course. But just one scheduled it split So had. various into They railroad. a so I that looked for at could we enormously, acting, a could we called attractive grew so where course build class And So The department. the schedule beginning 42 make? picked. they know, then and a very a was that a had they And have nothing of What condition. opportunity the was to had points strong the assignment. going had time, them am new sick directors quickly that time? very I realize didn't very, and were sections--which a planned, Drama, a at that with in scheduled--you were class that know. the and department. at faced worried, enrollments. Radio, the speech was educational general get you're been what at of chairman. You that--and look in department instructors to have was do the chairman and general KEITH ENGAR #1 education then, I bring at credit. had in EC: be faculty center of for about way to it, because see. good one by did was the talked me Shatner Wilson by Strindberg, John kind of floundered trying to find I over to anybody to find the on out out the how campus, wrong of was a disastrous you the had. first plays a of Love, Dugan (?). And right thing 1964, I that 43 it was. only know commissioned I took or me then And was story a work. So years five When I came about it than do. more Hyde Robert didn't four to William And which that based he musical. about for probably was Then But, someday. because one. for music and it which did do But=-and turkey. revise Wounds in having a was did--then him around theater of that one We it. in the Jones, magnificent previously. done write David dreamt what we that letting with closed‘it we of to could commissioned Corwin, he'd lead I a know to going one into Gates Crawford it And Norman that show a on that that And actually But did that. in is I of not? you I'm successful most the I didn't did. and and you did material we yes, brought David years. believe Isure ¥es ) ¥es. I me writing, plays, you sections promise And own four man, mountain a it's I my new for Let's Adamson suggestion. plays do several member. Because a had Jack new on KE: we Whiting's teacher. this made a Frank So a few months KEITH ENGAR #1 BC: What--how K. They had five. EC: And all had pretty KE: No. many much to went be in they had can't lated with a crappy They did one do year could use they Christensen's But to they No. by one a break away 19649 would they play. and the with thing And then had--oh, year. Calcu- they had-- time? they--the only I a they then that they balance. first And time reason that the they Utah musicians. the provide and year Thurber. then always administrator opened that at It They musicians. provide dancers time, that in first superb And had year that's also do prevalent is symphony or positive they all very a think what not year weight. a balance, Seasons. No. Yes. a see--I was a that is All were Didn't Jarvis For which its but Man Musicals to carry something Risk, used showed let's remember Symphony never subsidized, it have subsidized, was A a they own? see--Boyer and, called--it EC: could him did heavily their heavily under came be carry on--let's and I to Theater had productions to an opportunity for frequently also? perform Civic Utah started he'd William Ballet. eSS ccH So that was not had was same the continued. produced the And I fall as spring came recall, I ballet 44 over, the and so that association university the theater Nutcracker. But KEITH ENGAR when I #1 the can Utah remember Fantasticks, then I had true With KE: Yes. EC: Sort KE: MesEBuSt I the students of had a was and I they the was very Yes. a let the on rough So when But as I sese, Let's I directed by us the students? part as well. and find my way. and finally Hall use union And to be as I 1 say, think--I complication here in town They plays, the And too? And actors. vehicles--on this it another was '65, faculty. of 'sitars of production. wanted for Music fall And and also so had that period. Right. easier. that changed. the delightful this the Hall--that's Music a all in Was inl lot Valley not choice Valley ground around learned first a theater, that season was performing? grope would the in, fallacy swelsbirought' that came that basic training to think Ballet opened university EC: EE we with a K Civic I say, were you went they one there then under, a learned almost Bountiful. in out our fiecame life lot. twenty years? Ninseteen years? KE: EC: I'm Well, as an stay on Your successor my finishing just executive is twentieth producer, or manager, EC: Aptis tilcHbilrectordust cecently? 45 and--I still but-- whatever ArtisticiDirector. year your title was? KEITH KE: ENGAR #1 Yes. But I marvelous the it time no full to run to what than it and nextiyea to be now. symphony and so Actually has some theater--the audience, be sixty more back and <tThan of the seven Gardner help so that every Jjust us. He we but, was ballet gave could bring has bring ‘peop llewout crew, director was idea of We had one and we had would primitive a fully have compared professional season combined. subscribers Our budget for half. to do facility no with as that far too, as doesn't convenience, shortcomings. member of sixty-five Memorial know, money We 1is to that know. ideal but stage. hundred that. President contour he the was to curtain apron. And unusually pit, so that we And we have a professional The one wonderful to out fine; you 46 the absolutely orchestra use from adapted buy The audience--should Theater right been the feet we to sets front, director. time more serious the covered We've no a on. you us president music andsa have ready. have have wonderful, fine. time or Pioneer fset; we We a wonderful and it established show The and something spaciousness, it part now staff. It's a manager. But we've be--you get with reiissasm I dion i Keith? to wonderful has years to rehearsals, is facility it, used stage tech the It person, time the The used tech the staff, over staff. pain full think musicians can full in KEITH ENGAR the #1 pit. who's We an a have a full time costume We have a wonderful that the program Gamage KE: I so I on shows seen think to we I time ten that's but stage people. like We eight fine. say Arizona there; We have compared State how do with they and to the compare performance down Is it work yes. They with. Now different Do East? come Chuck the dimension they directors come is to this, 47 on seen would have any stage we're going and that you have willingly? have We willingly. Morey I've know you shows shows on Kismet vin be. will attract to road with. I State, well seen But proud. so theater any I've of ast seen touch. production not abeut compare can't our Arizona I've with. we and Well, compare at 'do country. that up the the we can world--others, from ‘think we have difficult programs think the as I in in we of Peterson, so-- at the Buit Broadway proud attracted KE: full present--caliber anybody that Broadway EC: Bob something brag, down you never as that been you have Theater canSE N gudges musicals here hear with and a crew staff staff, have have scene shop, would programs I've I time business to they We We on? Well, so want Grady the and orchestra. full promotion Not with own We people. a our artist-in-residence. manager. have have to he a group that bring an entirely has his friends KEITH ENGAR that EC: I #1 he can want a or in the as opposed role use students KE: of perform. my going to you're MFA by have a to only the to Little giving here, Many lot a but which he or you Foxes--do this compatible? for you're we have, professional Actually We have a year not directed are by faculty. a student, is the makes point: to cast him suited. When we favor any is lead Morey Chuck If which directed the Pan, she opportunity admit are them student the productions I these good. she's a of university perform. to different of Theater the conditions. opportunity your professionals Hospital. opportunity Peter example, is department, offer thirty-four in them or of Memorial people, University ample doing for Something Pioneer professional have for not may. local conflict is under because you're The a have students, but the performers department. then, I of professional like And role of analogy going the if Director there students in a some Is something here, as local performing, the coming. professionals--bringing to and Well, into statement philosophy to talk in did Birdie? remember Yes. KE: She On was a Colden for Joey two or Terra Nova, student. Pond, we Borgenicht. three have didn't A students. Man didn't any All For This 48 we is have students. any except students, Seasons, upsetting we to had a maybe oG out KEITH ENGAR #1 students. EC: And some KE: Yes, I will never BC 2 Of KE: See, of the guess and faculty. some agree on of the in their faculty. But the faculty programming. eyes, personally, Lee's main what are you intimate who know, big can KUED; So a theater--and It other I've a natural as long history as policy limit for very plays. an We ideal to unusual this place to didn't work. 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