G. Bennett Larson, Los Angeles, California: an interview by Timothy Larson

Transcript (35, 49, 6 pages) of an interview by Timothy Larson with G. Bennett Larson, physician, on July 9, 1984. This interview is no. 86 in the Everett L. Cooley Oral History Project, and tape nos. U-322, U-323, U-324, and U-325

Larson (b. 1910) recalls his career in radio and later television in Salt Lake, Washington D. C., New York and California, 1920s-1970s; and his association with entertainers--Al Jolson, Eddie Cantor, Milton Berle, and Fannie Brice among others. Interviewer: Tim Larson

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I enough. who but 22 And while, a. very, then. interwoven And he young just mean a he had his writer by eventually came to "The Life of called thing a Choice." long bright him was and job. very were Wendell great a Ernie Wendell forgetful long New consisted But And--but Brecker, a the in the developed for weeks were And "People's Gillette." Hair stage him. job a people. Salt mean, on to and in Ernie and Jones, you little Ryan, Billy when Theater." Erving Mayer and Hall, sitting Jones and Boston, for. ten Ryan. Utah. and Sing work and abouk Rauff about miscellaneous older Billy pair, in "Majestic getting for Wendell remember the But up Berle, Hair, on went out to Rauff stuff work that went of calilfediStiThet "Gilyl etit el \Community And I aslot this. to of agency--Ruth, mliwskipped through had end advertising Andesesorey, R the he did very was a with lot fine of Metro Marx comedy BEN LARSON #1 writer. that I was got part Community with while. went. But was Jolson show, had Then hadn't in fIRIGE Crosley BLER Quite T Powell BIEs Yes. Powell some Crysler a family. That went decided I don't they to know coast on for switch out where they Building where the talking about the all. And were been the doing well at rating--Crosley, they days. character. Crosley? happy Crosley. me to ke SR cars down meet to him lloekedeup) piecture. And: said, this +is, N hoirSiesracings Rerilstiedntincame Aqueduct "I want and srunning telling you to 23 looking show room, and to had «%Al his: an a or few Ben I all just years twenty. 1ittle. Jolson You at they And idol Jolson.! din . .with meet Jolson. been quite fifteen ;and. was me he and maybe Jolson the because ISllced like in introduce a few, Anyway, up quite said, Gillette ratings. brought from "The to twenty-second those because came Crysler which well we else. and Crosley on, the very while Gillette in the Now, whole located, around the the was comedy going something I agency bag. was some into with my Sing" and that down of Berle, quite of along was my saw later, Anyway, he trainer, ¢ Lkey the this. day's And Larson, results Jolson my new BEN LARSON #1 preducenstiWindatookedFatihimy right up by tobacco is I do could the JtjleaR That's BE Out I on coast been his lips, fire." no take doing well. out here? I mean, was you performer, tell you one was on and they I out I had cute Broadway, story he were in he was the s Vi But ol aroipel said, BeMEIlSISHEEE it rehearsal and a Say something I said, funny.'" But which do show as the and song. Jolson respect for told me one for ot a1l 'hie kind of coming a week. He says, the of "So When he a show B lombio that stage, al ‘riojpe and is Jake and on, a during the paying something funny. I Jake.' And he he said was getting, 24 just I'm on he I'll liked house Say my great S hime Jolson. on a and on come "I said, was Schuberts, Theater, "thiet‘end® doctor, time. the to hadn't a him. then came was 1isie/dFt in' I Music And 'Come dollars "'"Come rehearsal." diown said, he thousand he And Selnuble you aict From show "I'm i and jackass." a donkey, he up. cigar chewing Jolson working olcicialstifointalfllivaisbiuiti=~andi treatment. broke Schubert clapiiteldSRBiomibiof SN Anid your Anyway, it. great little speak. to comedy a "Hey, Jolson the loved had said, to over know, and so sent forte--again, I Well, wrong, to here. and “he walked never came you back back know, and to the BEN LARSON #1 highest tell price the ever story paid about--oh, Briidelc SR olalt NGO remember. others is coming "Look, on there entertainment to please, on that Vietor like I Jolson would I that knew that street that had Monjou, sing that particular time I you Rudy know. and lungs wrong twenty-eight know soft so Jolson him baby to sing and, vioelins,, oniliysfour Sitls can softer." you know hear it 25 was he tough man here and Ray, guest stars Bennett, the bellow. And microphones it. And tgoing U8l I at told dto him *do? " The sadidi;. "Look, I . Young;, ¥ "lEook * Vic ; got you and started great. what others, orchastra, himself, Well prince the ami'I piece says, knowing you Viietor two Martha so out, wiwhiats Jolson Connie of take and the and few wouldn't ‘eanit or out a to one pretty And ysaidistol i f was came because T everybody Teasdale, ZoMthewide care and Jolson, helar a Ritz ¢ a IReani’sts got Georgie he And biand N piliasissomioud: we've with And But Al SehEandenessaE dis el s SR show Broadway, because Marie his was used Parkyourcarcus, everybody, from on you. they Wynn, time. tell And Haririys side. Orchestra, learned a Cantor, other at we éfi;;} did Jolson," me show Ado;ph had the let Young Sonja one goes of I Price, down up that. ghielaPricies S Georgie going on But I croon the don't play to then to I big them can get like thing a BEN LARSON #1 with Jolson would the and never the tell audience him, I rehearsal show the got "Look, if minutes Tuesday long wood out the best we I do a go he out on would and we'll now this was So Monday we do do and a I night can through it, know result. show, can then, tried timing--he night and of discovered hadn't his it the I he because said, dead that that wsowthat before fifty all jokes before howmtostimenwitt told thing a cut perfect show. For a. half hour. Big: For a half, hour. 11153 What--in Bl e 1355 %d 36k It five o'clock BL: Sure, four me. just I kept mean writers And, material the east of track what the material on that anyway, because the he show, show had 26 at eight We did a coast. minutes «fisfty wanted you that show coast. west the vonasaid s yvouadid aNsie iRt you for show repeat a had for evening the in recording-- We recorded. wasn't o'clock of kind what you of--when kind what on it doing were you And recorded BL: what about in now? talking we are what year, this, of terms played and Jolson tested they'd to-- was all started it then and. out I live. with work telling the had new night BEN LARSON #1 before. He would never do a joke he hadn't done QnEScihieMsitiag e S S AndEIiE s wials s ‘h aird = bielcausiel material, down, he tell man. And T Those Bt Then new he too loud, but I got him I could do no wrong to me. material. would were he sang good listen leave me alone coulfdMwoirlc BR@tihfelr wiisieh,* one Encino. pool He script the at the st we threw and miSneitMigolng oM So is When really time, at simmer for this hated Martha Ehiersieage™yiith orchestra pit." and a great out him and was he dangling air, "Now meet mef it. Ray, “IYlI'" she 'Cause job. 27 So so script and we he let "Don't one "her day took the down swear He says, a show on this is funny Jjoke. how:tough demands, those a the and a Well ,» ‘that?s push in and got joke," is Anyway, I on trickled curse I of *mater ialii® That YThis was He everybody. this out sitting it to at to in. and Thursday, to have writers ' rough. and Het¥siays, into doing me, said, running he to old “pretty started vl thiSthath!! you the itelilSithat ik indé* he ambifaecicomt®elokiels was. he about then WelNNENsERartM the And and Monday. in all. This feet it writers, stinks." a through, his with ‘he®iwals' took it with and pool day read there of ideas. would remember maybe said to you are me one bitch that he on right inte the volitile young kid I said to Jolson, BEN LARSON #1 "Look, let's YShufifl*ings for try rehearsal. wouldn't heck of me a That let time and have he done a A The two BlL: Oh, to o into "You son of me. Now I 1 t" some she had not Victor T was like 0ld And I it. he came And got You to like had a back shouldn't put gang out night. stage. a----. hit" it Monday it in busters. legs, you know, control Ohi, sheMwas*wild, room S s e tell she was doing River has been heard great. She and was said, “this David this. Rose, "Boys, she'd “vou and orchestra the and to Man Young's Alc EulaiNRyE tried married arrangements, but they sing, the It together. And time--she Martha wild EhatsEmOS R tihelrecordNTSshoulidm™t™ one and hit. them yeah. the him courise,* tremendous went off talking ‘that of them you Well, audience said, showSSNecilfS was out, Along’, " [singing]l. They to something "Old I'm but Man he But did River," before. looked crotch do And into happy." girl. WSTHNRINShas seome™ of Her that. image is that. Bl She had a with steps cake and cake. it was birthday down tumbled Oh, she'was quite an party to the off the and living top something, ordeal 28 came with out room of the let me Jolson. on with the a birthday balcony tell Now, balcony you. at with the Anyway, the end BEN LARSON #1 ofiithiewiseason, guess, that Jolson, and so and And so, he Julsits a they call used a did BIot: I that at a me goes at me, for and up, I IT'm: But I was Tommy show and things, repeated to said, "I don't you, you, you, and you." was taken off the show. about back and I he I and sent Riggs anything, of for that season. he came in was to Betty guess. just man I York to Lou. What do he his And a of New But used give myself, happened--here it--ventriloquist or couple talking what but with that never voice. then I So went I to agency. of a was sudden through. Jolson went thirteen Now, back Powell lost' the outfit. They And so forth Sand coming on Baker and had the the in fired was agency They Rubicam. air were a a lot of air for Dole guy weeks, and Lever in a 29 to work in shows. Pineapple, box. Baker it. is that He lasted Powell, the and agency Brothers, somewhat. outfit good was though Dick soap, went big that got vindicated and day September. him, Lifeboy I one happened thirteen acecount. that the lasted and what on weeks. Dick left mad much. doll another All got really, show said misinterpreted tonfolliows idolized Tl he and too had were pointed course, do /I Anyway, for Young radio, They and used big had it to and I and so a show was Phil play an BEN LARSON #1 accordion, was to Eddy Delange take over bag--specialty, I Eopk wEhats shows for were. to Spots, all the And they image were to and trying he was a talking and I final he's find you'll anyway, was are we celebrities and ten a .church, and never make it." lost. to going a in pray more Well, they 30 I took on off gets he's o'clock And we are going the turn didn't some Ink them few got the on that. a Wilkie running Wilkie, we going to do?" so They forth. air, the to off. set got Roosevelt, do that. daytime a say You've church. then NBC, a were to at is we on go the quite We they seen going president other for handle what my would working anyway, the go did tough. Oh, I I And what I've to when can Wilkie I of a .few remember "Well, everybody's place I little you only I make--how What a shows say, lot through And I was Sisters, Anyway, said, in "Look, said, As him. night? bring to doing Boswell and to bless the the account, were quite. remember was And comedy. everything, Rubicam. God prayer. The I FDR, wanted and when reruns. Young 'Cause against and that music, can't trios Sisters. because Irdid magilla. the Wilkie I forth, whole for Wendell I so including shows over,+and days Andrew variety, agency. and the show know, of the auditions do show Speaking back that you the and or But shows BEN LARSON #1 like Joyce like that. can't Jordon, What else remember. great desire because first they in Kate get days department they examine cut could have thrust And any upon when them, Fred understand it Jolisoni ishow, Boston. And who would put morning, and I'd get a was stuff all. $ i fY in They a "Well, 'cause I've youlddo' did 3wl up you it welirie the or Radiol,. they And were we didn't we had from the to London understand cut about the early this, and you goings to weut squared off with We'resthrough:! outh we remember I something, understand frame teletype there all because could could when ia"Youlre®tnot got account they call to because joke, wouldn't got the department. on telephone battle Disneyland never it a radio remember and Basadd tough a Britisher thing tolcuitiithatl. " it a this Tuesday some had all. a tell weithad read YoillsoniMand would to stiangible. at had They they I business the ‘media. say, I they anything, might I account, of and of sometimes. And Well, you Allen jokes. ol knowledge agency? radio all it, was) an was And things there lost "print it few that was to cut a advertising they to HENand®isoNio nEhiiand didn't the down. did for I turned fused They do of when that Swerie that. I I while out those executiivies did Anyway, to could Smith. it Micky even had Mouse after it BEN LARSON #1 went on ready the at didn't air, any like On BL: Anxious to back Joe all to time that IS edge back ultimately bought Rubicam and was after Bl Yeah, go as you think he my offered week dough. But said, to lost his job. I me, but you I know, couldn't--I 32 New York I I left hundred at Young station. and I had the talk to a Sherry you, rehired and up Ben. kind the hundred drooled for "I'll to talked to have of to money a fifty and kind that have want I I'll "Well, made him and air, the on seven said, had back said, ever I a air? Colgate back was it for that weeks, went hadn't Well, York?" I And together." And to went said, few want I He manage the going "I'm a New So «ecan!t-=." Washington to "I off air. buy +I in was it."™ which, stations in dollars. was producer." about asradieo to: in he said, He him. He he the on back agency. there coming had I the down down Jolson. This and fired. something WWDC went been TL: do thousand and you radio, employer first should and he my imoney are the were Well, rany When on agencies broadcasting. ‘havie we Netherland, But being dgdlidike twenty-five from of il ' and call down Milopk we I'd cut into Cass, maybe Well, to laughed. time. get Tssdiont "Well, they feeling the AndEsiaSsaide s puEs and to of think BEN LARSON #1 about it, Joly, I've got a I've got some And I commitment need main interest you, RN turn on Colgate a this for seven down. howiila the end flattered that the guy that WiLg This B Oh, LY That was BL: Wait a had would fired have about back me Bt Yeah. and to put I got rehearse and fiinally thirteen him had I idolized back I weeks Anyway, had to in was all shape in which year? '42. the end minute. '41. not Soi me part-time and T it. I "the once. been of Jolson? No, later Anyway, doing Iiwas KnStreet, I and at the I over woudd: that corner of the: second It 38 it because I took been have operation, and all. had storefraphtipaonttop. that use took well on than N9U2, ans over®thatigsitatiion WWDC? to '1E."s of percent. forth," about was come so and said, a week and that he il a lasted I not cangdo, he twenty problem. days musie Washington. station because,"™ and had own part-time the And I to that you're not him life was it back run it. You're diontiEalknowi to it in with yous | Goythrough around to trouble about after there about sastdt my going think think very I'm to operator. witht because was: Avenue Connecticut floor a.wonderful of a drug location, BEN LARSON #1 aible Uit GEbeNoickS fir om® it hiel everything, and House. I And a had wholewbitiyeWe completely in everybody. I deal on Federal Communications there, "Ben, trying to Bl He just played the Guy Yeah, he was And anyway, all of a a at mad I sudden the day sitting 34 piano in the set up all seven at pretty is Scott, there he and my of a he filed his from the call and a was Sunset," a and well, and while a meant over friends station radio there?" of FBI off And got I kind night? all Sails "Red couple was night song one Lombardo, all hell socks Great the in over run you are show. Commission the what one of name Sails next the And fingernails. e "Red number that know, the by it he But piano, the midnight the played show. you guy practically that played Honeycut of turned them used Mike end the personalities we White and the knocked and a had called out tune the that morning, did and became it and the credentials air, the from and ridiculous a we Then sat who out the oliclloek®Eiint wild. found Hotel station just We on House and the Bourbon blocks that town. did and morning the <Took"™ talent. had they of White around, operation great couple "Maly'f l'ower in people in came my 'Cause the Sunset." that called him up. one day and office charging in, and they BEN LARSON {1 StalitdeSEelalikpmsvomiuisittSputs presidentithasi died." TEUsonCheMATRP G Mrs. Roosevelt White House, time." And so siantdttalSIEST the pants wrong, off that's I said, wiirel!V from and she I showed of me the me see Mayflower had eSS the "Well, Nlet the ‘'on' no the chaltillis 1 €. kind a of guess it. We Hotel AP while stuff that I knowledge them for air he has. just took back to the it at the of release But,, the boey, and they it because had they were scared I been really after. SR HeWvdiiedi i ntswihialt, Georgia in whatever? Bl Yes. [END OF SIDE TWO] Warm Springs, or G. BENNETT LARSON 1984. TARESHE2 SIS We have BL 2 you in died INTERVIEWED in '45? I guess in '45. I want to my days of NBC when hour, we maybe twenty-six name had of hardly it him, would stumble cut was. tell to there, Eransition. Lz He B Yet on had a one the of who seript. I then JULY 9, Roosevelt he'd when I fit the to get his seript joke was how we were !'Cause he to couldn't by I'd in, and it to he problem had I move to going the whatever cut and could through The or the read cuts. we just he fill made going the And go of And hour, to and read, kind do would that. forth. so Sanborn wonderful, able and During and like well to there moment. Cantor know. be left Chase was had I replacements Not you words, how a something down to it for him, from here that make read. wonderful-- a wemderful that show. Phil. or rehearsal had him and the man. on the T "And doing funny a and show the just replacements. privately, parts, after was because for Durante, the other came I for on but read with ON about--well, right retreat weeks Jimmy beautiful, you're summer come man in LARSON '45. about it a TIMOTHY Washington Was had BY And Phil guy. And was he And, had the of a we had Rubenoff by the name of come in course, brother librarian. He would BEN LARSON #2 early in the morning, olficliockiMse i il walk And in he got instrument, true let with he'd And soft other I you was a joke I said--when know. bit. whole other--oh, husband Baby name one But a of great Salt Lake, best my deal and Olson George of was thing Snooks of, Paul Whiteman, Ethel Shatey, 2 had and style. have one ‘the*‘audienece), scene, some Bryce I when the of the and her when orchestra An he be Jake created. years voice That's one tol was Fanny Rose. really had it who after He Jake," think and was when whole with thing Oh, the to that happened. know friends. and on funny. the I in Billy time, that that you of different out shows did I loud iname trying was a period. "Come to same iti have you eut and entirely said, have I then of an so music. him,» didn't hi's®first you And of tell Jolson So the case. played most And interesting to Thiati's® Schuberith® you very He the® would how remember, background back know, want "get: nine violin "Phil, Rubenoff. that. he his say, I at Rubenoff with that the in because eroon, it say morning and and with and hadan®orechesitral very in hioiw ™ tio me Rudy wup, like well viilolSin .S Hie " Slin'ew™ Sunday thirty right things along a music ten look Little I the” about would Phil." But later like by the the summer season. really thought I saw straightened him in out. He BEN LARSON #2 had sobered had a up. show on orchestra, long I'm and getting enough leader. know. But he always in the for we are say, "I'm back over Vo stiomhielair this Anyway, gast not that corrections the 8 other st and period around, and you can't favorite and a go Anyway, I used to because he was so they had been there. 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And not too hearings went tooi. You were doing but doing that-- that, but 34 you were living out here, BEN B LARSON I #2 had gone while I going to back was Brokers, there, do, so and they thought, all the do." And I came out didn't what the what to the not? I to move over here, I needed a stofsehooll time. And I own. Then about decided to let three more they had no do? Wientl How they they could had to up there, do in applications years two that for I and commission Syracuse, be to got Dowd What them I up. N.Y. told knew these open Rochester, So I but and Ball, and networks, called and filing to decided when wanted ABC they in? get the the with to But license into applicants. these ilsitied upMeandewv principals of one from request else broker a because Pearson of firm Agalisni,) s the: FCC So outlet. I Anyway, for applicants markets those in competitive around. fact, loans. time that Rapids Grand and In! brokers my got I license, salesman under work to was And Blackburn. 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Rochester, years. was brokerage my that--on I a be to: it . had to the get to were in formed be to had we station that the operation. up--moved 36 in in application the granted 1969 about then "put had still concentrate to had And remember I And I So business. I but again, &hi's anything have didn't I and on went it Anyway, thing. whole days, 'that..«So ©f part beisa Statilonseouilids sixty working were who people those of none and the operation interim an So air." the leave want "We said, commission a to hearings. and and like looked ifidilieds« Welil,, p pillitetanits stock pending, we or the application, decided thirty hearings, the our And group. town in application commission the and hearings, interest filed other of nERmMioisiciRa CitNriticle meantime we for'another open docket some when one out But shoe-in. Got And only an was that it? run to going and on it. and my wife BEN LARSON #2 wals'Whierlefaind figured Then a maybe all of mess. 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So keeps turning over and BEN LARSON #2 turning over. into operation. the TL: How did BL: Walker TL: How BL: Well, you he of get was of talked the to NAB. about very a TL: RIS see S REdi I'd been out meetings was kind of fed up with it. And o’ coming in?" which period approved when for a ‘Rochester, he we did. back address anxious to so I when said,” But a broker. It hardly transfer. to as he gio¥back S AvIc seripts somewhere of liwant I we And get knew "Well, were could in hardly Anyway, do a get you want a do to have them radio Jolson, and haven't gone through anything you I can tolhavie®them) it. have And I've pulled a if them, definitely. 38 But know don't they're heavy. over or sl rilpit's 1 Nifeis* Vo you guess I Joe time. some Penner, what's think but-- of out some quite with--oh, script, Durante. or them accumulated and sStuff. oif* S cut, been like devie ithis they're mean have that 'see a s icioid pil e it And #to! daytime TiUd brokerage and was ovieMtol. 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