William B. Smart, Salt Lake City, Utah: an interview by Everett L. Cooley

Transcript (129 pages) of two interviews by Everett L. Cooley with journalist William B. Smart on August 28 and September 5, 1989. This interview is no. 227 in the Everett L. Cooley Oral History Project, and tape no. U-1051, U-1052, U-1053, and U-1054. Includes Smart's resume

Smart recalls his family life; education; and career at the Deseret News, 1940s-1980s. He discusses issues of community concern, policies and people at the paper, other Utah publications, and people who have influenced him. Interviewer: Everett L. Cooley

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Retirementiast ey ‘notes L QORISR o il 008, et 8T SSURRFIINE ¥, ~SHICH BRSOk s Ll o T, e e W slie el TR RRNGE NER 20 e e SRR S50 LS80 24 e 92 [ 109 TR 122 80 . 2Y TODAY IS MONDAY AUGUST 28, 1989 AND WE'RE RECORDING AN INTERVIEW WITH WILLIAM B. SMART. WE'RE RECORDING IN THE MARRIOTT LIBRARY AND THIS IS PART OF THE [EVERETT] COOLEY ORAL HISTORY PROGRAM. THIS IS INTERVIEW NUMBER ONE, TAPE NUMBER ONE. [EVERETT L. COOLEY IS THE INTERVIEWER.] EC: Bill, let's about your Okay. was I EC: " Yes. WS: He of at tnat ne was career Reno at selling twelve, Provo. We went left Life. Let's go Now, tne your Uinta Rignt. tnen agent us you 27, don't wnich something were born, My father 1922. know if you want to to go finish. He for a inisyibackgrounds. work We tne point were to working on. I wnhen for Portland I Taylor was about and tnat took nim from fifteen, agent tnere for Life, That was general in moved to Nevada two wnere and ne for a half was tne Northwest. little grandfatner and trying did Beneficial when was was never Finally, for tnat He he goods store. moved back bit, was a about very your grandfather. important man out in Basin. William EC-AIndEniel i BYU, Provo Beneficial general June struggling. from Father and when bitesof knit to where years on wno--I time Furniture nis tell background. aplittilet college Brotners where, Provo Smart you nim. struggled, WS: in Let'siinavier was having family born L. about through EC: your was Tnomas know by beginnings, something WS: begin H. ameong Smart. T otner things, was involved in WILLIAM B. SMART #1 publication WS: of the somehow influence I think don't as such, Basin. He control of course, would nis establisn all then would businesses according EC: He WS: No. EC: On. WS: He was located never was in sEiill EEE Unh WS: And nis Myton lived in Vernal. the sdorto ‘this you at time, was tne newspaper nad promptly to bougnt othners. water He companies, establishments, and out thne and get was turn good Uinta awnile needed He ne to tne man Uinta tne a over order for people-- Basin. ne not? Myton. He Wallace tne and it people in in media commercial them thnis newspaper leader whicn standards--in at a establisn bring Did newspapers. turned of to be Vernal, would kinds to brougnt he over He in a leader only weekly custom banks, he the establisned was buy tne wasn't to and there. anyway? pioneer that president been as the media was out Grandfather was the stake already and, he family recognized to second the so. but newspaper bought family the out Vernal to run Express it, and and thney day. nun. tnen ne went Duchesne Stake divided. He to Duchesne, president established 2 wnen a paper the became tne Uintan Stake tnere and first turned was it WILLIAM B. SMART over to E@Gh Un nun. WS: He did tne #1 anotner tne first family. same tning in Roosevelt president of that but to be a of businesses. newspapers not establisned all kinds RE Uh nun. nad tne WS: We nad You the stake. but So newspaperman. tradition tradition, after I in was he ne He became did buy bougnt tne family. never very mucn or aware afilit. ggSielens EGs WS: it reallyddidnt!t' wouldn't EC: Wnat WS: I siblings? two brothers fourtn cnild older in tne brotner. And regularly. younger E€: Un WS: But EC': Wnhat anytning Eton infiluencesme, I think. about nad up do and family, ne Then tnree was I sisters. two a had older trial a to younger I was sisters me. He the and an beat me sister and brotner. nun. we Did were about you, life at neading WS: No. No. EC: Un nun. That a close your an family. interests early into was Still in stage, journalism? accidental. are school. see the today. What were direction they? of your a WILLTIAM WS: SMART About my early spelling. I tning. terrible Was pretty Wnat in a there named Miss was parents ECE: Un WS: So and of I I was where good in tnis sort of and so any always guess that was going. there teacners having some profound two. Nelson in nold Davis. tne me promote fher, out me tne in that stand influence I love next wno So like ffailed grade, tnen brunette with teacher didn't almost fourtn tnat. a red-headed grade the was in a “and of There fell was fourtn back ner "I There “liket grade. I but went She can make my into teacher her. She named wanted to year. nhun. I learned difference early Before in that we in Provo? We lived about early a teachers and life. in profoundly get to Wnat eignt that person's teachers, teacners WSs was bees math, remember Are were talked double in memory to fifth Mis's® I spelling teacher? fETdidntt'e going tne the don't life? Well, amd I although indication your your me® won good about upon EC: schooling, interests, out WS: #1 particular a E€: B. in tne was several we moved affected like places, into n those college college life But a there wnat tnat but nome lot were of the were some me. stage, at a living time? by on about tne Eignth time Nortn I was and WILLIAM B. SMART Third East B Ye s WS: Just as tnat was EEs On WS: At #1 rignt you in that the Fourth We We and and into herd lane tnings. or so Ehel I I'd cow I read my and was every Wnat way. Canyon. My to all too I and in tne i ely in time sand I I 'l to a country and turned summertime junior Nortn. poor, up I was so and I did was two twelve section aliciarid. proved me to say is I down in of the e oulidnit * nave allowed starting wnile T tnere years Stioftgieit When home street Eignt very time tne i siakiid tney of daytime by books the were and young. corn’, was those wenitisaip was North In the book, then feed. read fartnest lane tne a there. and job We nhill. was mountains that du}ing cow-nerding read tne could thne Eightn towards It down East, pasturage. cow it it. campus Sessions. was Third BYU hill. Wiley East along s iele tiitoinic Enesneignbors tnhat Rock loved read upstairs. spot up by the department on ibraryiiFands because spend on tnat so nipSiEiatifrist I'd the built afford herd tnhat off was our couldn't would down Fourth tnat went to of lived tnat nortn base religion time, developed. was came the originally yes, lane at it to them get tne books that I would a shady reading. I'd find read the cow would got into a lot of that get in trouble WILLIAM ElG5 B. Any just Travel. Rt I WS: used I read Ands your Zane WS: No. EC: So I Richard love Lendeni, [ I and reading or Holliborton's could loved book Grey did. tnat There to your lay his my was travel hands on of books. Zane Grey, were they part reading? Well, Now, things? Tarzan Burrougns EG: of interest everytning Jack Burrougns' of concentration general books. EG: #1 particular it WS: SMART was nhad sort of be much Jjust on did Adventure would wasn't nave never books at up tne tning, of foot there wondering your interest at very various of tne the wnat me kinds. upper upper much, campus. campus. influence tne BYU life there. The theatricals, were tney being attended may this by tne thnere, and family? WS: Well, EC: Un nun. WS: As kids I I spent we remember labs and bottles EG: Un nun. WS: So wier a would time sneak tnhings the on into like tne lower and campus. buildings sneaking horrified spentiiguiite exploring of particularly being and lot into fascinated the by biology embryos in sort of that. a lot lower of campus. 5 time The as kids upper campus WILLIAM B. SMART #1 influenced up me there apples, chiefly and and we because used later to they it had sneak an up apple and developed orchard steal tennis the courts up time so there. EGC: Yean. WS: And I EC: BYU wasn't played a lot mucnh of EhiaieepiRe biabil v atnletics WS: tnere No. Well, had atnletic football apple and tnen death "close teams. over them and watcn them Did WS: Yes. you baseball ECk Un WS: Later I to was and courts. at tne junior We we our I every We tnem very opportunity football I or of into apples tnrilled to toss an apples mucn the sneak full kid, tney watch go were "Hey toss was course to would shirts say, would of loved practice. way. play hign, we and fill would eMiiin & 'miain'y. BYU? remember tne me and got interested possibly nad basketball in to and tennis. participate I'm power in and that took particularly athletic practice, [laughter] to those tne was players sports EC: I orchards when apple." an on tnrough when go tennis violugidiiidni!GRpiair tiilc i plait players tne of a in sports tennis player. in school? And I played a lot of basketball. nuh. on in Nevada I went T to the finals of the state WILLIAM B. SMART tennis tournament as an E@s Un nun. WS: But in those And I days, used Linn and Rockwood played Un hun. WS: By the to of was with EG: Buck of Dixon watcn course time down couple nim a ne good was on played Sanky tne would yours a and them Rockwood contemporary WS: there, a lot adult. neroes. EEa #1 Dixon tennis have were my courts. been about a there. of years older. deal in recent playing in Provo But I have years. I was 1living id compared to Nevada. EC: So from WS: To Reno. EEE Um num. WS: And EG: Un tnen to nun. wnat WS: Provo you went How was nad life in the Well, substantially paper boy. I was an the morning drunks given that tne to to Nevada? tne be experience of the lying in to the collecting 8 Reno community I Nevada careful in Mormon different. deliver were job different nice carried interesting have to Portland. you'd would directly was by State avoid a that we'd on time our And number it up in bikes. over then of a and get running streets. on Provo. Journal, because papers of We thne I was routes, WILLTAM B. SMART #1 collecting were the down B Oh WS: Along EGs Yeah. WS: And I the girls me. They in what tne too used Truckee would go Many of those to be called tne tnere to try collect bad debts stockade. were there very to Reno. EC: Un nun. WS: ButliENhave lovely place aspect parks St of to and you religion in moved Reno, to affect your WS: Probably ECss Un WS: The was you a nice offered to too of. learned But I know, to pay young MReno M toot aside beautiful a you you very and in and a lot LEMwais from climate, #a that beautiful and--. from whicn debts obviously tinilsiabout courts moved was live, it tennis I were several advantage ofisiay Reno and which take to would--they nice [laughter] scared But River. down down in community were were a of the services in with a dominant participant. minority. When How did you tnis life? strengtnened me. nun. churcn Hall. and debts. yes. trade, EC: bad Tnat my job, neld was as owned a by teacher 9 a I a place Danisn lodge guess I was called of at some that Dania kind, point, WILLIAM B. SMART would be morning #1 to come and down sweep out hutEsand™ery™to Sunday worsnip. nelped build EE: Un nun. WS: As a matter was going was a the to pretty that chapel I guess, about and slid down I'm similar you was it WS: No. I EC: You were WS: I've roof of a a would of off slip baseball and in me a minority others I was working when I sningle out But lot. and my that living I may I was, dislocated and strengthened career. loose career. wnat Reno. and I a I player, shingling on for life. in pitcner. fell fit baseball stepped and it experience fairly was in until told the Provo not lot aware tnere by a of intolerance cosmopolitan-free never always warped you're I kind baseball roof, cigarette it built my league and Sunday in mean feel I in a situation. Did hign ever on *make that ended tne years as was tnat on sure, experienced Gp™™fand left-nanded tne tnougnt 5tk early bottles chapel fifteen. ended place beer it major up For Reno, EE: a shoulder. any so fact, good on tne first be the ®cl ean® And of to my fact up of what? You grandkids I througn as a 10 tne like said that went it thnat. fifteen? my to eigntn seventh or prejudices? anytning tnat anytning of there personality school grade. grader and in was junior You know not much WILLIAM B. SMART as an eignth you're Un WS: Then grader. somebody. moved EC: #1 to Reno Later But when you're when I I was a years to high school process, just about and so was a a ninth ninth nobody grader grader we again. nuhn. I went two through that same ready to become Portland and makes kind it somebody I became of a hard. as a Reno going the time I was moved to senior nobody I in again. think it we I think thnat cost me some self- of ours who moved confidence. EE: I thnink it's around true about indicated faniishedl with the your same family yiourishight Scholastic activities e WS: didni'£ Reno tne a I scnool I fearer played In I couldn't notRatilioth Did to you in muchmifeolrt life. Portland yoeur Now, you wnere you “father continue was your in same Portland or was nightfscnool tint Portl and. In trumpet in basketball I did Portland and shoulder. moved her there a there? orcnestra. lot. in schioiolvands business. up daugnhter period insurance cnange a wasn't play I did o a played of things lot I the and was--Wasnington able tennis play and to any in pilleasure. 1 tne I make more band just tne enjoyed High was thnem a basketball because tnere, didn't of big team. hurting but tnere £fit in my was there WILLIAM B. SMART very well. EE: Un nhun. WS: As far in English, and as it get education. Is college sisters from I and don't high was I always loved remember an good nistory awful lot school. this a tradition almost, tnat in you your would family go on to two of degree? father but I continued, automatiec, my concerned But of college Well, that details was a was and was continued. the Higher so WS: academics tnat about BE: #1 and that older motner was all. than pretty mucn nign scnool botn I But had all gone expected, I had a of on out of my to altnough stayed year or brothers college, after school I and so it graduated and worked a year. EE: Un nun. WS: Because we Lincoln Electric couldn't equipment. I myself. I and that come in and that. So boss. I difference a tnink in nire that my send wnich sold that snipping unload would to during capacity help I Company tnink became afford I was clerk able to cars and experience of 12 is for friends life. I worked electric year freignt my me, wnen tnis hire and I welding I working found company, people tnings would for be to like their made a WILLIAM BE B. SMART You #1 went to Reed prestigious win WS: you I a got College. school. Your Now, that's academic a pretty background, did it scholarsnip? a scholarsnip half way througn my freshman year. FSeen EE: WS: WS: I didn't get able to EEt S alprivate A obtain private students EC: But WS: Very EGi: And nad for you WS: one I to a begin I applied and was 'school? that weren't but scnolarsnip. scnool at witn of about six hundred ratner nign? and fifty time. tuition charges nign. your to don't dad come enroll think at my upon Reed some prosperity in order College? parents ever paid that you a nickel for my education. EC: Is that enough WS: I right? to saved every tnat and year, I your then Un nuh. WS: I worked and in worked you saved expenses? tnis was work, tne year nad there didn't EC: pots pay The scnolarsnip. never sometimes college pans. 13 a time I But was I in worked school full-time. cafeteria washing disnes and WILLIAM B. SMART #1 E G Un nun. WS: ISwarkedsiinetnes Building, and my college. way in that's so crieam tnere EC: Now, WS: Un nuh. E€: So wnat WS: JNE o olke aRESIpISSSERE did icer was primarily a you in major store never a liberal din time arts the I Union didn't earn school. there? maljiolr ¥o!ff F nkfsit oirlye¥ainidl peil ilCilcal Seience. EE: Yie st WS: Wonderful scnool, back life, on were my maybe numanities I the wonderful wonderful think best years. education. those years Reed years tnat I that really at attitudes nad snaped I Reed nad. College course at As think College They a my were two-year life and my tninking. EC:: Un WS: As nuh. I look my walEh N my s lkisfier = teacners EC: Who were influenced WS: Dorothy ner. She SN icowback now, ito thatd and wnat I've course! done andithose and-some of teachers those tnat profoundly you? Jonannson was a was nistorian nistory. 14 my major wnho professor. specialized in I loved western WILLIAM EC: Yes. WS: And B. SMART I I recognize loved alive ner once in WS: And was Bob I shaped my absolute For a I think house awhile, and then there a and from WS: and she on loved the we me. She's campus. reminisce. were literature Rosenbaum class Un name. go Those otner teacher. I still to were good teachers. He was see Frank great. nun. matn, EC: the on Well, Kierman Un her living years. EC: #1 never was was a any great good in nim in non-Euclidean life. It taught trutns. Tnat me teacner. math. He But geometry that everytning tnere needs was I took wnicn are in a also very few examination. nun. the sake sometime, of Non-Euclidean bialsieidfonNitinie® present tinleloiriems’ geometric tnheorems, and but Riemann postulated wnho in different Einstein's shows Euclid, us tnat at on in tnose we Riemann terms 15 is of men course our on named What know was the directions based tneir Tnat took know now since space and so we of Euclid's Lobachevsky tnen theorems. at not different and tnis geometry Of based two in wnat pernaps least is directions. and read oif " Euecliild. theorems geometry work, mignt geometry were eacn other of who system thnere systems very tnose more accurate universe. But them on tnan anyway WILLIAM B. SMART those #1 things--it ElE Uh nuh. WS: And it EE Was thnere was a was most almost exciting preparation geograpny, a nistory pnhilosopny course outside and so to of on me. your in course. humanities and communications or journalism? WS: Qhyne , EG: Notning WS: Yes, EEt Trade WS: None at EC: Now, during no; like There On EC: Wnhat all I no was wnat strictly I call liberal trade arts? courses. Reed. this Not time even your today. family and you were active Eehuscn? yes. about didn't mission? think suppose had would nave I not gone very cliosiestol didn't college Were you being prepared for a all? ever I was a at days. was at LDS mission WS: were It courses. imtiner WS: tnat. live on a War to tne a II mission, ‘caurecny, cnurcn about World close the much standards not altnougn, church. and mission I went I in come I along nave mean those my to churchn, very well during wife that I to I say family but I those years. EE: Un nun. WS: It wasn't until I married 16 my really got WILLIAM B. SMART fully #1 involved have gone that time. Did WS: Yes. Let thnis in on World service thnen? War II would came we so bit I at can do some at me ask up journalism. StYes. EEk Yes WS: d W AfsENTEEnidiitcaitie with job. I'd gave me from midnight a written never and job, a breaking War this nelp until is tne WS: No. This is International EC: On. International WS: --whicn of day. Of my News Service. News since need some And he gave me out. to bureau tnat manage a He life. my in story disappeared, Service-Okay. of course, PiresisiisSoMINwor kiedl during freshman course to Oregonian? tnis part was going o'clock. eight Now thleMiniitied news Jjob my EG: nas wasn't he if nim asked I Scott. L. George president, stake our was manager bureau the where Service News International to down went I Harbor Pearl following OnWtneNday ofWdoiingNtinat. tired pretty was and pans and g e Yclolilfe ‘tih'e’ Wiini. wioinikéitnig wia st IS pots wasning cafeteria Py suppose to going You're I little a just into got But but up sequence. I church. mission, back me when point a the military see you EGr in I year. would i I was sleep working part of taken the later the eignt over hours time when a WILLTAM B. SMART notning during #1 was thne day basketball that was it. Tnen 1942, a of tne and the candle at both tne I Seattle bureau. EC: And old WS: I up bureau, was war to that Seattle Sure. WS: Japanese forests tne the bureau bureau manager ifsfuaisisi stiant naval swalse So loving summer couple reservist. up there of weeks died of cal lledi And I of Sup was a to the [laugnter] you at turned and tnis twenty. they time? So weren't and tney remember, the for able were that to Japanese and Seattle was the fire bombs were summer replace exciting I me. times nad place was Tnis because, invaded wnere and we were dropping covering Seattle-Portland area was a building--Liberty snips and so Henry but arrived, a paper. ends a the college we the covered from. EC: tne school year, to college the Witnin were time, of to replacement. as Jjust the tnat summer sent duty Aleutians on burning At Eackiirandih you play the time nad going on was nhow to was worked active as managed I and vacation REARE But team in I as happening. exciting Kaiser tnings who was was an the tnat. great on. at Of Nortnwest course center I interview announcing 18 in for remember tnat tnat one thne snip of I nad witn time nis plan WILLIAM B. to SMART #1 defeat the transport out As planes. I thne wires you may remember, EG Wnicnh WS: --which the and a by story was read he building on that all Howard Long Beach. air whicn over and giant the Hughes went country. built the Goose"-I've seen anyway down you've seen they would way those senoolt was U-boats did on "Spruce o German were at down tnere. defeat the the tnings I intstneisfialili & and called up for active Tnat was going U-boat was duty as a be menace. doing. #the " next to I So went spring, back 1943, reservist, Army Reserve. EC: So tnat WS: Well, EE Sopnomore. WS: I it went was was was to an Hotel for aerobic tnen Training montns I to the intelligence the and sopnomore of my at I and went an I military I City and tne ran there old on for We tne thnree Specialized there was wnicnhn barracks. (Army from year? year. in Army was ASTP there. foreign 19 Atlantic Boardwalk, for junior stayed then training. university studying end was applied Program) and place. whicn on sopnomore training interesting montns, Wyoming tne Corp calisthnenics beacn your towards Signal Traymore nad between to tnere languages, Laramie, for nine military nistory--preparing, I WILLIAM B. SMART guess, met to tne who be believe wno I otner cnurcn at when all testimony Nobody I EC: Without ever WS: No. never EC: Unh WS: Our out cnurch a but met met ner and said I been to some reason It I to the was a neard a bear to onmareytil dating been and up don't nad Laramie. standing to hner myself, L[ lawghter] true. her. or that's We for there it's have been nadn't But in e T Vmsygotiingiut having I sat around that, that I girl looked gt and I nad Mormons. period. And me, believes turned to meeting. Sthew I'd that I I Toland, grandkids but not wnere Donna Wyoming. My them, were There's wife, her. together, day testimony. URinatilis tell who my Valley, about during benhind officer. became Star I times one voice from girls good went later guess, tnis naving I intelligence tnere you, some an girl was tell #1 knew the anytning girl I about hner. It married. nun. eacn courtsnip was otner wnen me because stand did. But mail and Eowiaad Officer's when we were I by mail. togetner. had We I different we went along pretty Candidate Weifiatihe School 20 awiar we mean sne were couldn't tnan So well. after. stand correspond would apart Rend couldn't standards were we tnings tinie largely I got. married. she by finally out of WILLTAM EEh Un WS: But B. SMART #1 nun. to continue endis the divewe e intelligence of the an infantry of It that Candidate Scnool and from OCS as of tne written leadership an of graduation. We and went to that time the War on the war my way to ended and military EC: Scnofield WS: Nos order time was in Hawaii. to get a and to where I in Officer's went to the 96th division badly. I top after was I Then was based tnat at I out got Texas. sent were Fort on spent I the graduate. Paris, we Hawaii. off and tne I time again for delivered while into sent leadersnip over. but the Infantry and near ASTP imilistiainy officer. right about put Barracks andythen and Maxey Okinawa, we on married Camp were pretty infantry Savior on thne of By overseas route tne rest thne of tnere? ‘INwaswatwHorti offilcer an up graduation were 0CS, while shot when at applied accepted essay tne I school was we Arkansas was and it, rignt 96th period, infantry valedictorian I'd and Europe graduated was the of gohloniitio and was Missouri to that Bulge, During to iitiol siaid the Missouri. went sSERT But unit. in Benning phase school. Battle trained military I 'Shafifer, briefly, sent for Donna to to come, you dependant 21 as a come were personnel over. In required WILLTAM B. to SMART sign for declined over we an to on and #1 do, the with Tnen for but first were lived extra year sent to anotner couple long But finally colonel is wi e SWEENIETaimE military WS: Yes, and able to arranged officer to Hawaii, tired of kind hang a blanket Out". all blanket get would up. Force Air an an over "Keep a with tennis us. bachelor's was snhe we of It in came awnile saying, ONE] interview our of one number nis of wus Celling Simalkitis " He ''si B a get me time the Pacific, were the they and quarters VIP were some coming house become to tnat stay. to at important was 22 as assigned Hickham the conducting tnrougn. I now about wife my for place for for talking just was I the apartment She I experiences. was otners, the Then left. tape of two side Tnis in there SIDE OF [END EC: got which Field. Hickham at they sign playing was I For up a everybody until day housing. nuddle would She [laughter] came would with cubicle anyway. [laughter] I duty that her experience. little her until put I awhile active ship find affifclertsquarters. my for civilian unable interesting of was There assigned to Tnis colonel the housing Thnat Field. atomic people, was finally tests and senators sort thnis VIPs. So in I of was WILLTAM B. SMART #1 assigned to be in charge interesting, and Jeep. I orderlies could just had tnat jeep time being EE Un WS: That also sort to of very nice to do enjoy every of that, because I the work, all Hawaii. corner of wnhich Oanu So we and nad was was given and so cruised a a I in wonderful togetner. nun. lasted mustered Star for out. Valley We and a as I and will remembered, me, be are Star said so on, tnose but is. to man and I sidewalks then tne I got will that I nave the a done only really helped I was summer job pier s tNioumknow, probably tnat and spent nome newspaper writing montns and Donna's always a six returned wnere concrete, career about a laying I lot thing leave to 1in nad of that behind build in Valley." EC: Did you WS: I EE: Like J. WS: Yep. There's my Star Valley. Then did. put your imprint tnere? and Salt [laugnter] P. Moran tne initials we went Lake one on back City sidewalks. sidewalks of the to schnool to in Reed, because--. EGE Did you have didSyeusreturn WS: Nogh a scholarsnip then on'thetGIWBill? InnadirneSGii iBa 115 23 upon your return or WILLIAM B. EC: Un WS: And SMART #1 nuh. because of International the EG: On WS: And Service I experience was able to get a witn job at yes. for the last at the QOregonian nard, a but baby. And No. tnen So by life WS: News earlier Qregonian. time E€: my was EC: e Scer WS: That's I way weekends in tnhe gave worked college. senior me year, work. convinced tnat be to 2(6:5 I don't remember. WS: It was flood mountains, feand reporter. full- That was we had newspaper on 24 of of a enjoyed was able would to get my saved my of to neard nheavy, heavy tne scnool graduated time you on spend probably I in if because top I I pressure before know I was' whicn desk course (L the professor. time. So from city of tnat st aff don't wnere nistory but mountains, the I a at snortly flood. the my I to going, relief Vanport a to for you to was ski Tnen reassigned of particularly a work. first were I as and went studying assigned It college and necessary idiepartment sanity. of you? newspapering sSpoiktis was was the years the time for No, by it tnis two cover of neavy snow I was the that. rains pack, in the WILLIAM B. SMART Columbia River finally wnich #1 the had roaring dikes been into Oh. WS: I knew and nad E€: Now, and so Combination of lecture WS: was But wno News, old was then came boss expansion big a starting up at was an for INS, Apostle a stake George 25 be to never I was it seminars. It or a graduated, I given a was and professor,. nistory Alfred program. president of conference to Scott still was was News Deseret 1948--the and I before Harvard at going time--it tnat at was I fellowship. group small Just system. entrance for applied and gan College? Reed at tnere lectures great a just on for So there system tutorial you're if school. in doing was tne on you were I how idea any ever one was system. good a that's tnink I I given. ‘working not ¥ youllre never surprise a no but, how 1948 grades tneory the because know of was no came were June recorded grades Vanpent, don't which and water people were there rising, the I in Kappa, Beta woerking . forsgradeis education. killed Then that. were tney what and because day and protecting village were tnere guess were village, College Reed at rising wartime Phi was and that this to I graduated. because a covered I found. rising broke that people many E€': Kkept E. Bowen, the Deseret Portland. the My Stake WILLTAM B. SMART #1 President. knew of any and asked nim I and EC: Witn a WS And with and I nad to I nad orals. Was 0. Preston WS: Not at tnat or ECi [ Seer WS: On a HEr: An. WS: Preston EC: Oh, WS: Yean. part-time took But on Manager. 128 Un not head Robinson time hours forty tnrougn go and time tnat at ulcer alyelar, for News? Deseret the of Jjust came He program, I time tne about came came. I It basis. Robinson, didn't I thnis rest. good a be time. after just at agrieed®to“comer s Sor would EC. told thesis a size good pretty a that tninking I school. dissertation a finish FSwastiredt and interview but nas college Tne family. a an him support. to family ne told News. working tough pretty a attending week if He Deseret the tough Scott for in me college, to on been nad It tired. was to come go to George newspapermen. called Bowen going asked young would I if was Bowen bright Elden me. about I Apostle Durnam, Wilby know long that Wilby after duties all three Mark Petersen was nun. 26 I and Durham came, and tne a of sort was triumvirate. Herman was Wood. there. President Robinson the General became Editor. a WILLIAM WS: E€: B. So, SMART #1 anyway, I after graduation What were Oregonian WS: came and the and sports department is tne EC: Were WS: Yean, EC: And Hack WS: Les was you to same lot, work a at On for tne into tne went that was a Covering good sports anotner. time then? Miller. Miller. tne Editor but Hack was as WS: working I felt tnat assigned a I as Siol S ENwioikik eld#tinieir With day community. Edi G onish EC: tne News? because place Goates News there. Deseret request. one Les Hack a know Deseret between the by to under and the to not learn about went coming initially to to differences Well, place down the Ski Editor the Sports Managing eliianidetwaistaibiliel® tofNget again. byline? yes. Sure. wnicn is nave tne I nad extremely lead a ski column innovative. slug that called "Sitzmarks" [laugnter] identified I tnat still column USiEzmarks.l EC: Un nuh. WS: During that sitiaizitie’di organized, EC: Did tnat completely summer tinlel and work I started a ¥Die'sielrie i Nlew's got Alf Engen tnrougn some independent? 27 Ski to of couple tnings. Secnool, nead tne of got I it it. schools or was tnat WILLTAM B. SMART WS: Completely EEk Okay. WS: Alf #1 independent. agreed suppose on nead that skis tne to ski for world far. people the time My daugnters WS: Then long but tnat's of, that the first and the Mount Timpanogos On. WS: And it people ECs On WS: And started I started was like was I've otner had was I people school two or to I in tnree ski for free. it. no longer not always annual also Fourtn involved that been big of anymore, kind started July withn of proud wnat ski became race, on glacier. wonderful Jack any since. more learned It It's tnat. last a I ever put that in it has we school. charging. sometning than year after they done know, involved it, EC': You that were later, time every in nas probably first thousand EC: and scnool the thus first it race. Reddisn and At Dick tnat time there were Movitz. yes. Dev Jennings, Rytting--a cnampions, EiCie Unh huhn. WS: So we we neld got tne the tnree number all all here of race of in them up on Engen brothers, Olympians and and Suzie national Utan. and a lot the--it's 28 of not other really people a and glacier WILLTIAM B. but SMART we called Service on out of our backs. Mm. WS: It the the out clouds. did city desk during tne No. it, energy tdiadn'©F niavie We were any mules hauled our foggy day or the race a it was I a Forest nelicopters were equipment we or were on in was not great idea. No one from sports to thne went year. No one else ever coming offf the from the rocks and tnat. anyvdisiasitieris glacier, No. wuse the we following do time course, througn. to to standpoint, but the that Of was that successful, snowbank, WS: From so it At us trail. that ever Yot glacier. allow tne else nad a question, turned nignly EC: it wouldn't anytning EG: #1 tnere into careful tne to set boulders? tne courses rocks. EG: I've neard thnat¥sort WS: We nad anyway, of a good that's my reinstated the sliding down on except that it to tne ofi"thing. preparing extend nikers to now go I spent back to fellowship. at 'generalt Improvement race, as Elbert of Association. 29 first school, Just Harvard, boeard the the I've I R. and was was year always here. got was Harvard to myself called Men's felt So, I getting Curtis Young cloudy. me to Mutual that I've WILLTIAM B. SMART been #1 kind and that pretty kid. This WS: The EEs Yean. WS: Oh EE: No. WS: Yean. This of I career tnose for tnis wnat my a decisions, times. It twenty-six is where will do. I'm was year a old supposed to activity? board? was But part it a your extracurricular a very demanding and my a great application career made of was meetings that Let of no. to WS: one if full-time terminated Un well, that's general many EC: some responsibility guess, was in probably felt, I EES guided was big I be, of me in journalism. a newspaperman. thing deal to of Harvard That activity? that meant travel. and call So settled was I down the thing guided. Years nun. me continue later, in 1964, Editorial Robinson was thnat I Page nad nad training been for tapped me tneme me to for witn Page. 1964, President British was fired. Mission. He had be being Tnat run 30 being tnis a time few nis tnat along the by quite Manager, In of and years. called meant, into I Assistant of in the to the mean ne General Editorial preside effect, problems of President successor. Editor was editor with thnat over ne Ernest WILLIAM B. SMART #1 Wilkinson over tnings, that's and gone. So cnose to nad I Drew been well, Un WS: s tnis thney where a ‘thilmess ne So good I time Taihlad diointe writing. otner UiEanisilst concerned, started tnose and I'd become nad told I me politics. into on candidates I the RtdisureNivote thing. decided, I sleitiviin held votel well, Son oM pollsi EiicsSEARATItnat the Second District Sl of people after had I up time, seat, was to get nad two tne air and we on wof "t nose iguyss, thatikind ofia tne now's maybe I number forteither . iforlyou debates. tnose, called somebody show, as of office for time one remember 't e woullldn andisaiids running be snould A known. well pretty far as lot a had We snow. tnat on TV politiecal the of started, really we and snhows, political lot a did We Ehat iofi anditnesth years. of number a quite for Dialogue "Civic oicl orkiigiiinait tinie’ sswaiste Sl a started ralso I'd knownyseand Wwhicnpstillssexistisiiveallied program who was American. maybe tintaity of lot a and well pretty was Wil BRSNS GOl SAEM like ne instead Boston, Herald looks other anyway, but from tne and nun. seriles ;) DUt of But time, in nalicinianigiers writing editorial my Hawks okay, column story. was Manager Rolcllalcariele EC: this Earl General thougnt another thougnt bring Pearson's time Snerman giving for me Lloyd, that up WILLIAM B. and SMART #1 running EEh Yes. WS: He was a for the second cousin neignbor up in it, we decided and wnile of he tne it. So before me to gave decision be WS: Tnere remember? mine and I and they was of So the good we We talked were I thougnt of really feel that was the to a Heignts' politics seat number and tnankful sall year day called on Ward. Once silignall. SSoMs: settled for about the presidency Federal Goldwater nis again, tinlonie nthmswe ISR o kaly: . St nath! any for and about entnusiastic But stake friend talked run made. the a would Senate. file, bisnop e because On tne that to of that people job. EC: for was You neignbornood. party up the my went I agfanins back that into guidance, remember? yes. was elected. and not I a the time you in I in swept deeply trouble. didn't lived you been been been adbilfessng®tmat had have nhave nave Now, Republican would would would EC: Senate. were So do" all the made in I the state aside debt witn and really that the no felt was tide job. that I was tnat. time bishop on Laurel there Avenue of by Federal Heignts? WS: I FGs Un lived nun. there And for now some much years. of 32 a family did you nave at tnis WILLTAM B. SMART i1 time? WS: We had five basement Temple the and and We $60.00 mow walks in montn. tne I winter WS: I'd a lawn of and rest now the of thne they and would reduce it play of '48, tnink tnat to So raked the And then winter came a winter and if I the $30.00 that. and we shovel do summer and Hign I agreed the South summer leaves to little down Junior tne agreed a torn apartment. but they been during rake in between Bryant Lake nappily fine. It's rent, winter, tne East basement month tne was Salt originally Eighth of tnis very lawn wnicn to the on part into lived South. is came would On First moved paid We apartment property yard. E€s children. I a mowed leaves, that was the '48. dear. never years. seen Oregon snoveled tne driveway went turned back It a was walks you and know Just winter kept was didn't walks of a tnat the the up I was and tne of the into old mansion. never and a for driveway. house tnree-car I shoveled melted that wnole each then garage. winter, up. By snovel the I Thne and that piling many winters. during taking 35 lease about house driveway piling over lengtn big snow at much winter the benind sort know tnat back before, those and as winter. time full of that snow WILLTIAM B. SMART back at that of fifteen feet hign and of mound and tnen that a and walking [laughter] the snow pile. ten top anotner [laugnter] It $30.00 for life a to on getting my in did maybe snovelful and I News? Deseret tne scnool. nign from graduated I after year that $80.00 Electric, Lincoln for working was I wnen made was it me, excuse no, No, $30.00. was It to came you when was salary your what recall you Do yes? E@: On WS: See, what they offered wortn more tnan that." was I take?" my but tney paid that I went working there any activities $180.00 the me to for said, don't remember tnis, you've never "Well, [laugnter] me." a "We've And montn. not So, anyway, after long $300.00. Deseret the implied tnat as good as anybody nad I tnat claims father I much." tnat anybody paid never it said, They montn." a "$180.00 said, would "Wnat said, Tney I "No, said, I but me, I've come, to me asked News Deseret tne wnen forgotten In the back ever I climbing know, going up work you throwing hiking over, montn. the EC: snow, nardest the was WS: driveway, mountain snovelful EE: #1 you News specified or may 34 nave had to begin with, restrictions to agree to-- on were any WILLIAM B. WS: No. RE -=-as SMART #1 far as political activities or in any anything organizations, else? thnere? went I memberships WS: When EG: eSS WS: QosenarssNe s There awas enothing sofy that. It wasn't did you an issue. EC: WS: back I didn't years Salt as editorial Lake Council problems do WS: ...as basis. that of the liberal. In the me the otnher some wnich organization, I wanted general me other nad do. to and years for because on me attacked member tarred tnat of minds hand, I tnings tnings somewnat it of out other one a remained I But and interests On me Bircners, the by they But course. of dropped finally tinged communist a being ridiculous was EC: caused eS s ffie made did remember? you EE: was targeted was tnat because I whicn Tnis years. for tnat of the join to invited Relations, Foreign of member a was and was I writer, tnree or two After anytning. from off back have time? that at things those of some from off to writer, editorial became you when Tnen as But thnat a being autnorities it suspect. were 35 you encouraged to participate WILLIAM B. in SMART service being WS: #1 On organizations paid yes. by Yes. became the paper? The paper a member of president there and member national EG: Uh WS: --and and with maybe always the vice the encouraged Exchange then even tnat Club became a dues and and I became national board president-- nun. a was targeted problem. know now EGE Sure. WS: On. You EC: Wnhy sure. WS: I I get want Lake to get I that I get in was in can even but then into good ran that. I into don't place back the executive and elsewnere, to at resigned from I nhad nold tne the it. I and wanted 36 getting heart wno that don't was know was felt tnis was convention. They nad and executive to that surgery. I it to that City consulting time in open just committee tne convention somebody, Lake persuaded witnout nospital national nospital, Salt that? succeeded remember to gone I like the 1968 tne came tnings bring, and Then involved, a could into to City, approved. Wnile we president into--. campaigned Salt not guess be soon--. Let's nad to take witn tne me. made notning director convention I me more and was in angry to do the and I withn WILLTIAM B. SMART #1 that organization. Then a came to Lake City anyway, I naven't Salt involved right. and By Manager that of tne allegiance to nasitriledi didn't open. Un WS: Tney the and later You indicated I is and your felt but that keep question, I my there we that and groups, service my always management those owe Rotary direction, all General shouldn't I.always of longer dues. may have was for caused never sure able else you to witn But yeanh, there were some feeling tnat be to I in I thne tnings, had pretty the general 37 be Do you for the never I know, strong there. top job? knew that don't get feelings authorities you group International that, determine they yet tnat? benind was by-passed snouldn't and Robinson, Wnat in. those because told. the President to trained being were you tnougnt you affiliation your tnink Club. Alta someone Douglas Fort at membersnip my for dues after over brought I but answer with no Editor that part the on paid also take WS: the paid to was whicn organization. one convention nun. EE EC: yes I the since, felt in involved be should they So but the towjoin, look feeling a was and getome to was one later, been I paper only to want options time year who thnat nad WILLIAM B. EC: Un WS: Mark SMART nun. Petersen me, and I I was to that tnat blocked my tnrougn the WS: Yean. ECG: It with a ne were quite lot why. or blocked I a my of he But I may just I progress. because confidence That maybe newspaperman. have didn't always I in nad feel nad the shouldn't say progressed pretty well chnairs. named and have it, various Foundation you do progress, you did did knew good feeling Now, never never sometning EC:s #1 to the board believe you became of the Heritage vice president not? seems like you did. sdildtnUn®nunht WS: EC: And WS: I ECi: Yes. I know was to And tnhe tnhe become tne churcn's those your Heritage--. president. Foundation position buildings. acceptance took on Did down a tne tnis there strong stand destruction nave or any against of some influence non-acceptance of upon do you feel? WS: It probably EGi: Unh nun. WS: Probably. felt myself did. I never pretty felt myself much 38 middle as a of liberal. tne road, I always but in WILLIAM B. SMART the #1 minds of a to tell lot of people I was branded as a liberal. nun. EE Uh WS: Ethdsinave okay at gone. tnis I EE: was Oh WS: I me yes, Yies s thatiUs.right. WS: BRUSERE don't need plate, and tnat Brethren, do. So rignt. I So I had tnis tnis cnecked [ was can remember you down meeting been bosses agreed, 39 but Association, It oy UHiES S Mol mieont I to be and somewnat on plenty He gave me wanted was my to the with that il all of cleared thney the called first thne be would if got Leonard time tnat demurred. something our with finally time; Association. ‘tnougnt I've of sort really that understand me asked else, anytning I about and History. FtiendsiofaMormon: are Manager... initial organization new tnhe of cnairman I Eine o and me to came Arrington people History. Mormon of term, a for Association it's During.that History Mormon ediitrielcitior Wea wials T guess building. the ECk the History that of I General Arrington. Friends the was named Mormon sponsors wasn't that Well, the office cnurch the of apdittle . bit. Leonard tne of one tnat witn story. some finally backgup witn another because was involved were at date Wnen Hellgglet you me to all reluctantly WILLTAM B. SMART #1 because I really do. we And EE: I WS: s=diown nad wasn't thne looking for organizational anytning meeting more you to recall- recall. ins the everybody was It you was, Churech History astonisned know, at thne people offices. turnout were I and guess response. hnanging from the rafters. EC: Yes. WS: There was a huge turnout, somebody's attention. organized, and people that we we We would be nappened, and "Wnat's going Wnat to nad on? been a understand wasn't going that to embarrassing, years I later was the I EC" Tnis WS: Yes. But very frank, is after that was finally General tnis tne during and deatn the he tnat to interviewed and after didn't finally Manager 40 to learn by asked He awnile we was was all now and told them. now?" botner Then Leonard, indicated were given dead and it rignt. It was me. But this President some nappened. Tanner to be Editor-in-Cnief. of Hawkes. interview, said back I caught tentatively nignt movement So have tnat awhile happens nappen. but getting and must ourselves dues after nold, tnat got collected notning tnere and that a President number of Tanner people was felt WILLIAM B. SMART that I was things ne #1 too that I didn't of nhad the things I ElG: I all WS: Leonard EE: Yean. in ElE: but I Wny is the LDS ne know, don't appear us, to begin the clean." I involved been there thnat cnecked were you really Friends tne we "But would have been fatal to nistory toward tnem a been me. of today, and there was me. to remember was--1 reason and arcnives encouraging cetera. et nistorian. tnat suppose you troubled G. Homer had Durnam any tnis? you Well, real a was Would role WS: research, tnis said, understand opening about talk much main tne suspect He organizing concern First on. attitudes don't some of point a that's I and churcn the tne but so probably nave understand tnen didn't and said, and clean would tnat mark black me with with, generally in I'd involved involved discovered if so been have wouldn't in ne we and And [laughter] and really And been been involvement thoroughly out way that History." Mormon of that nad have confidence your was with, and shouldn't feel Presidency "One liberal it down tne became director snortly after, know. that Leonard thnere witn cnurcn? 41 Arrington's all the portrait otner does nistorians not of WILLTIAM WS: B. T SMART #1 SSEiesSs = a@ Soirle i poiinitl, treated, he's bless remained E@: Yeah. WS: Because EC: Now, WS: and, he sweet must let's General Manager Do want you order leading EEs Urn WS: Wnat nappened? desk and nis and nave get * I heart, it's faitnful and grieved back to up nave a to tnat After I by your following to tiniink " Leonard wnhat being *was badly remarkable how loyal. nappened named tnere. Editor and Hawkes. little bit of cnronological appointment? nun. tren by spent trat time [END OF I some time realized--. TAPE] on the sports INERESERPS S TAPESTWE, SIDE ONE WITH MR. WILLIAM [ SMART, AUGUST "28, 1989. EVERETT L. COOLEY IS THE INTERVIEWER. [THIS IS PART OF THE EVERETT COOLEY ORAL HISTORY PROJECT.] G Okay, you Bill, became let's proceed Editor and with General your telling Manager of the spent a year us now Deseret News. WS: IS was' ‘just saying'that sports desk at over to the general kind tae I veity into No, let's WS: tne Durkee I left and pretty but about I afiter of was tnink to gone The from S Jlervyc LaVarr Webb, and worked there for and time a the to move reporter, feature writer. to the say 'nad'some " How 'much doi some of your people Evans Glen was a I was star of ‘wonderful yourwant to a Diego Tnen Norm city Cahntill Rick couple 43 later witnhn. 1left Bowen desk at tihlen® years City Tnen Union, Hall. of worked superb so. “and associates Advertising. a less San you wno witn the then tnat Editor, somewnat career. SPnat and City nim. was went was thiat the executive good have it the succeeded King and would ¥did was became "t nat fcapac ity near an I it on details? Snarr became and you "I thnere--some Glen Then reporter guess "desk. get down desk assignment of, had request. city experiiencesWin EC:: my I on Editor. Durkee he nad a succeeded nim, that Thnen Lou® So, King King where and at the time. Bate, any city then rate, desk. I WILLTAM I B. SMART had a them #2 number that Etichs of stands - arfie tninking out one day, "How going office now they do tnis. you. We nhave and Antelope out and Island decided to went tnere, a great know Chander that ifneNGarr SR anecn WS: They used to Young's saddled some took bitter nad off day been were all plunging was a long is keep Brignam of hign the north swept tne these into. day, nad and it We'll one come on clotnes." shoes. of that was cattle I So we water in wneels, you to old the skis onto the the to dark there in Tnen we tne saddle island. It because the tnis norses find by out tnere. underneatn nave 4y on the so out struggled But would our end gullies, We come. nuge breakfast tied norses smooth. story there. We to the snallow wneels, ko called service snow witn “got for a warm the beacons days, the titning and the of instead out time. to and norses and out across do of in 'I I yeah, shoes tne So could One again tnese "Well ambulance, witn rameh I couple splasned ones EC and skis big'army tne a snow take if going in your keep winter?" said, man is sterribles they them a most o the He experiences. mind do asked bring out my during CAA on in ' HiBy ¥ wihiiehiiwalsy airplanes snow interesting a tne way time was a snow smootnness would keep around. we got It at WILLIAM B. the SMART #2 nortn end of the island. climbed the mountain station and tney thing. But by we ougnt CAA nad some man out. We were totally would swing and norses a anead to wnere we We in the dark. tied our skis nad we would ride, pretty close to and bark we tnat a and made it norse coffee, even and we all tnat making not to thougnh would I nadn't 45 We came I But we and it see a to down get we came suppose of norse. walk I neard dog and falling off witn hot filled coffee a yard the remember not to would We nad us, the ride. and witn refused finally S¥He deatn." to off the off walikii!! was go out. started that few to going "and: in was lignt ofif out thne The to freeze I started better get nignht. it. in. "We him pull carried being so Dale, Vern ranch. tne thne got to going lantern a light, back then serviced coming and on said, pnysically to and walk of name tne the were pnotograpner the and to nignt. finally back you're don't, up able Swant S teiget TRdHdnitt and blizzarding. We man CAA tnis by would and horses mountain, be off we that would got So off. back, we we fellow get and "If we So that around andMwalikst = said, down was there course, while a After they of ski tnen and now to the Got blizzard stay reason look and seconds to a tied skis. me time skiing dark, our snowed that thougnt on We for quite WILLIAM a B. SMART wnile. went #2 Finally, to the I were hospital amputated. that we So and that remember. okay, had was Then but in a one of 1952 I the photographer number tne of kinds became iStermd i nige Talmadige, Talmadge's an EC: Jonn's brother. WS: Yean, Jorn's was older editorial editorial staff, Davis an was was brougnt stars that great paper. built a copying Davis a time. was Mark Taiish good everybody owed garnished. Finally the of the the position a time Editor long and E. a man 't osnt hie and died. the a wno snining Deseret News columnist discovered was ran to a a wno ne and fire page was at added nis General tne I were became twenty-eignt, page to He all wages and age I guy. debt nim country. and weird into town Assistant 46 of tne I nhe in tne in James non-Mormon one editorial paper a Meik, ne Editorial metropolitan Executive but nad youngest the frombiother¥papers.seElrick and tney of was retired as Vivian writer, thnings aldidiedt was make stuff He for to was problem probably He Peterson drinking Editor wials: reputation--until "mucniof a guy. suppose Anotner great was nad by there Talmadge interesting in Then AN € el Sterling of writer. brother. Aiainied IEV RS clisDigiveit st toes Editor Edgiitiamsisasls ' pagess son, nhis editor the title Manager. a thnat in stayed it of But of I WILLIAM B. was I SMART #2 still basically mentioned some tne Editor guidance of tnat I pEMtellEhls l1ittle story. I member General Board of of the Improvement Association, assignment. B0 0Rsat Every cliocls Wednesday afternocon idea. I go tnat to over an was my time there wrote know, was write an was lot a wnat editorial inOur it just done. of about came. In on Second the Wasnington and Consent. that Post, There I this It wno were a you nad special sometimes. u7 time I schools. got At otner that kinds "No mel, of about an nour, guy given the named remember the you it award country Alan I Smoke tol in of influences. ‘eame was to leaned jusit otner and s fourth,. in entitled, editerial was One immediately and editorial at editorial come. I a Mutual meetings an communist matter place Wiomwe ressthied feeling a that assitine s oubstanding education. call Seinools! Later it. Birch time demanding done about Jonn we for would editorial a Let iforpnours. something about had. Men's have ron notning prayed against an Sereens and but would I Page. that was stuck get by Young wenti was to meeting, to pressure I laboring desk idea theys thnat was it we Editorial feel and Wednesday sands the Bart on of wrote Advise distinguisned people So guidance I kind when of I nad needed tne it, WILLIAM EC: B. SMART Let's #2 talk often a little did you bit about have to editorial write policy. How pleiriSioinaSlNl SvAEEnie editerials? WS: On, EC: Five WS: E@G WS: every days a week or Six days, I mean you Was thnere the editorial YelshaNR we do Were it. WS: NioB on we because policies want percent nave a of counter to week? six days Editor to during® thet a week. determine what about. nold an nold time editorial policies. didn't nold ¥neltwas meeting Then I and would meetings as go mucn. them. won't to were imposed touch and upon nere you? is Now sometning feature? thaitt isien's et Cnurcn-broke wnat I the tne didn't rules you be we at issues position. Obviously the area So or for editorial to were, guidance fill tnat was done. to Hawks yWtifn I had taboos want el a would me some days Robinisions Earl there nere's tnat should discuss relied six meeting Manager would and He a rieisiidentt’ General EC: day. We didn't Cnurch tnat and we % nhsth alts ¥pioisiit ion knew wanted a lot time. You did write interests. wnat things wnat done of the we that Churcn and didn't instruction know, discussed, just 48 wals’ Churcn need we il on 99 Churcnh felt you was knew or or 95 didn't rignt. were WILLTIAM EGk B. You SMART #2 wouldn't come out pro-abortion and that sort of tning? WS: I nad plenty of that I Things interested wasn't opportunity wasn't in. Tne really aware Eagle aware to make tnat Gate of mistakes what the was a the Church and did. Church was good example. wanted I on that. EE: What WS: I nappened? wrote it. an editorial That wasn't what alblorsERsEnialth i 6. "accidentally" EC: Yean, WS: You with know would ECE: a Wnat neld were by we Church it on ought wanted. iy afit e to preserve So I neard ®tnat ¥ at it rilcik down. front. tnings like that occasionally I over. running thepciit yonithe those knocked there about tne that cloirisiel. WiShior blade stumble saying up Ssitatel, tne against if Cnurcn? sthey economic ‘werevnot Did you run could to get interests of similar to into problems there? WS: Gus Buckman did all ne me fired over tnat. EEs: iSts WS: You ChalEiriiie ned may Aireraft remember was tnat talking Einle R wielsitilpraiet et tnere about was a building Ginle svall ey. i time a wnen plant I Boeing out opposed in it WILLIAM B. SMART #2 editorially. want I that. said, It would dislocations." did turned out not Seattle and in because those not tnings I after a and said, don't do witn don't I about endorse No, Lake industry. views became time. on strike I pointed that." the Gus First over and that over It apparent But want preservationist a been nave Salt went don't labor ffd8Svioiie witn t er ncoun siome buidlding te Toppoesiitiion your Niln connection in stand complex? to particular anytning nad Churcn tne maybe they silence you use might of of an kind any on Cnurch thne some effort to that. save Wnat wny don't that. to people WS: tnink thougnt BE of Boeing scalp e vie@D p apartment huge I No, "We my strong your remember WS: kind giant my we conservationist. a tnat I a terrible always ile st tnlere disf fiiit fe 306, and arguments of nad I DioninieirtNHamslissy WS: all that wisdom that tldeliegatiionicalillediion tnings. otner us need demanded and Presidency and a need the or long the andt all want out don't cause gave Seattle Bulfelicman® EE= I Valley "We tne remember politics? anyone policy, or were ever any Did you you since 50 on influence churcn ever feel restrained the famous that. to compelled from doing case back so? in WILLIAM B. SMART #2 1932 when page editorial--the had a the position position tnat, I church of I thnink that is newspaper be tnat the time one of not whicn be church opposed Deseret on would in Church News a to I wise endorsement, Elbert tne ugliest Frank Jonas remember D. no Thomas campaigns Church You or for a candidate church one problem that nas witn know, tne was front- problem party and a candidates--a policy. a in the have endorse I and endorsing agree. position. that Roosevelt shouldn't I nad at defeated. That the has ever campaign that state was known. ECk: WS: Wnicn was ever was entitled-- It conducted was Cnurcn a tne in state. the "Political nasty tning and not commissioner little of editorial witn tnis hiawves editorial. The day that was condueting Peterson we was day nad Island rewarded my our it tnere at as and 51 on tnis I nim. was of prominent Thomas was wrote was So a we and Cnhnristmas Utan would was thne party. ceremonies. nim a butter publisned introduced was appointed I He ibriead: News master ne nim. littile Deseret a trusts. to editorial by Anyway, congratulating juisitr pamphlet conducted afterwards Pacifiie nonor Aeopm Aty His Bennett. long the dirtiest Dynamiting". and members--Wallace defeated man called to I Mark give a WILLIAM B. SMART #2 Christmas message. the Christmas wno would excoriated G On dear. WS: I couldn't tnat EC: ne Ezra and I me I as praising may nis columns of as I as knew tnhe years was tne of me real nard write me in memos, shouldn't and would Hinckley, he IS biaiside ESERREhE I do. say, "Just siipoliint s N o would tnrow eought fiton In that allow mucn. during tnat ne Hinckley fully he some nad used to as to what tnem to Gordon me them bel did writeritand and take it Asnton. Benson instructing letters, so Gordon President it. over times ands say know I ever have pretty otners, to Jonn to to company, the position. tnat not Manager, General president supported should was I tnat tne News? refused nave I men, courageous were Tney off. tnis Editiorilial tnese did so and that influence, witn Wendell did reason it was how just I Tnomas. the nit Robinson so me Manager General quite Deseret myrrespensibilyitiesiasiiChief later of son, the President after part to his anyone Elbert involvement so of tell party. be seem more and Davis, That to stupidity Christmas ever did So refilectedis proceeded editorial it. hard and the that and up audience, and tne in fougnt stood didn't Society, Elrick at Benson reflected WS: an believe Taft Bircn party write He He the waste icarefful sabout in I WILLIAM B. SMART #2 what I that I--Anyway, say because daugnters, of nad a and booth type especially communists EC: Goodness WS: NlSwayis Rt ook just been snrug off except criminals in father. nad in was That's witn do stopped named My years Biren by that dangerous as including one of the community. occasion Sne was ner an I recognize WS: Dave was giving ‘to kid the life tne ougnt wnen teacner named that I ability to go about my to be my wife just tnat's T things is would tnougnt and a of talk. at done, East Dave was Hign. Belnap. His Belnap. tne name. a report wuse to Sl yi Diomniasswiiisiell so on give a Birecn Jonn on sne 953 tnis," invited some of otners as diatribe. nave should (some it used and sometning thiink dsa id, 8 "We presentation objecting) I Englisn class Austin occasilon I one thait s letthem tnis that. what Yean, were John some our one in like EC: balanced The community, was endangered them. and attacked. an I problems. twelve Tney our questions like were $tne P poisilt ilont tnings for fatner of Fair. there. there blessed business She lot to gracious. ignored nave State out tnat a get sometning told their would had were the were communist top at we we they were Society booth yes, when age, then the to ‘a kids give a WILLIAM BE B. SMART #2 contrary point of Bracken Lee was view. And thne Utan associated Independent-- with that paper ;oI believe. WS: --came out "Utanh with teacher this of mad. We say thats I indicated on. Did you Eindfard involved Yean, let I ot some snever tnat of witn i Wit in number sne but the news a going on some some trips tol d et tnings? one of the IBlsvaSit o riet i rleis e T t editor, anid ami ;) issues I initially S tthient that wanted of over wnich 54 my to ideas tne Did n aid it and witn groups point the got so land Ernie Snifsiiencountens people. wnat Deseret the I proud of you tnat get caused an Faip/positniteds was Art I of News. Vincent, T hey Blauman . W Joe that's and am witn of was I and ner columns. kinds that Smart, preservationist tangle about snowed take similar columns of how of position, the B. infiluence T itbuniewho environmentalists tnat William kinds environmental HiaiEieh to story these probably MiEPNEr that hneadline, long couldn't were remember of pressure, you page a and I into nave ne wife That creep and News, tnat ever developers? WS: the nad or You witn was Deseret always front bigotry," tendencies. editorially EC?: who the communist screaming shows teacher Editor a them wanted view in expressed There livestock wene and were cattle a WILLIAM B. SMART growers and points of became the to to I leader ionly® of the got one I at “this- peint the was will have groups that I do of togetner that I if Bureau know think g oivier nimie Nt oyt D uibilEel was to it st e fifo ot ne way same some in participate tne in programs Park National and to encouraged tne to close very became ‘Serwvice Forest government nSoir MR Eihe was Farm that don't that, into Lindford you Were Service. the different problems. Ernie tine ofis I nad of reason.+Ix That real my I coalition removed. get to tnat people be and Wallentine this myself. of know of I going one Bureau, forithat' restrain was Farm Bruce that not I'm the view. insist pemoved: E€: #2 conservation? WS: more Forester, Barney dear very a was Standing, Regional Assistant tne because so, Probably friend of and of here we from my mine. ECis Yes, WS: He I nim a friend was knew course I became the fatner I anybody them closest my official me-type him of life. wnere tning, Portland down Wnen I came friends. I guess well. of in fatner's my of learned in well. very knew more from We went ne and 59 was Barney on many taking many more. me aside thnan Standing trips, out We some of a snow- nunted deer on WILLIAM ECx B. SMART #2 together for And down went years and the fisned Big togetner. Mountain to explore The Mormon HElaLER WS: We did trip many tnat we Mountains wnere the some we were grateful Service to and by down up Wherever that press relations We're just about the he I sucn and out [END boat Fork and We ‘teacn OF 56 TAPE] again the Sawtootn tne floated in teaching nere. Salmon down to was in it nad me. participated tape wonderful of on. of a nunting, state. meetings, so over deer would man. otner a went of whiicn remember Middle by we part I horseback the picked far-flung iint togetner. took and Salmon. digtitviels EG: tnings I sucn long was wvery many tnem Forest about TODAY IS TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 5, 1989 AND WE'RE RECORDING OUR SECOND INTERVIEW WITH WILLIAM B. SMART, EDITOR AND GENERAL MANAGER OF THE DESERET NEWS AND CURRENT EDITOR OF THIS PEOPLE MAGAZINE. THIS IS PART OF THE EVERETT COOLEY ORAL HISTORY PROJECT AND WE'RE RECORDING IN THE MARRIOTT LIBRARY. [EVERETT L. COOLEY IS THE INTERVIEWER. TAPE #3.] EC: Bill, let's have assignments, some you your dates. go over, positions Tnis was a if at the little you will, Deseret foggy in your News witn our previous ititle, Let Ysibe interview. HSERSLEelN e GRmeMf s stNof Fa make sure last fourteen EC: On, WS: I were was that get years you never we tne Okay. for I sports General bage. on editorial of tne in straight. and I General was for the Manager. Editor? pubililishieriVCorrec tie Deseret a the I city Writer, and Writer, about editorial in and tnan a general desk. In 1952, tne about Editor about Executive I witn became tne on tne made I became editorial manager along Editor the tnere was year of 1960, was assignment I a general I year a witnin AV N rignt:. 1948. became 1966--still page. in less assistant Robinson page, News little Then became President Hawkes the Editorial I e year, desk. Editorial Cnief to a reporter that publisner. came about cor recitit the Editor ECEENNoE St neNChirc ni sttt WS: il under witn under thne Earl responsibility Editor and General WILLTAM B. SMART Manager in WS: E€: Now, 1972, let me just people. Preston Manager when Yes. He was Editor trat I later hneld. Tnen following WS: Tnat was EC: How WS: Wendell clarify and npim position for your was relationship the Editor and witn General General was Earl Manager, Hawkes, the until position re died. nim? Asrnton came in witn as tnis? publisner His Mzanager. General and into fit Asrton Wendell concerned and was work the with relationsnips the I remained as primarily Newspaper Corporation. Agency I that me. does trne neld Hawkes associated always publisners? they people--were otrer Earl held came? you Tren Tne I Robinson following Editor and years. fourteen EC: #3 title trat publisner. as briefly title LDS tre witn chnurcr as publishner. WS: Well, it'"s President previously EC: Robinson was never been named as named publisrer named publisner. Now a been always promotion briefly from and a nor publisper publisher, trnen sportswriter 58 bit 1little but Wendell to these confusing. nad anyone Earl was Asnton was positions, WILLIAM B. SMART wasn't this elsewnere WS: From EC~ Les #3 a in little the Salt unusual? Lake Has City this occurred papers? sportswriter? Goates I think did some editorial work, did time. In nis under me as out as one of ne not? WS: Les Goates last was years editorial a on writer. general me back ne became Jonn one a tne in with tnink a editorial and long. nhad greater he page. And kind tnere or a recall reacn outside, vision did brougnt He or in turned else desk into writing. management. a good one. under me anyone I and Let tnen So did on thne Boston, and else. tnink benind tnis; was he sometning? tnat. I tnink Elrick Davis out be of problems. was Vivian 2.9 anyone sportswriter and was as editorial served Wnat me sports into can't Peterson nad all later to tne gone was nimself recall from reporter Hawkes? Mark before, I worn don't nas long over reporting who owners Earl I gone desk paper. of sent Hodgson city a served sort was that up--Jimmy did man ne nas Talmadge, bring I tnat for he had writers. no editorial Wny He assignment Certainly Editor paper so editorial particularly WS: the sportswriter, tne ECs Sports to He Meik, a I to head neavy didn't who mentioned drinker last I the very mentioned a WILLTAM B. SMART earlier. #3 So that there were that bringing vision, far two was reasons, in broader as Earl didn't feel sort Mark's one is Hawkes I and I be a experience. the felt bigger Then, Mark general guess he in concerned, should I think brougnt more was pattern. tnat outsiders vision, that of as Peterson manager at peoint. Enalt B2 He was WS: He wasn't. EG - I bringing see, just you along under Earl for later Hawkes leadersnip? you were moved up tne ladder? WS: And under identified first "I President tnink you're me, called the one we general Editorial Wnile manager. He made continued Hawkes the thne Cnief editorial page, as more me gave and tnat for assistant me remained of said, grooming be to Robinson and day, one ought I Editor and writer President in me responsibilities." greater Earl Robinson. responsibilities. EC: tnis Has Authorities General as the in REn e WS: General the tne pattern- been na e Autnorities company. Mark Peterson nas always Peterson, 60 and been always T nas along over placed is Mark of case all of been tne the course, News, Deseret Hinckley? Gordon that tne of one tnat of one president was a the of career WILLIAM B. SMART #3 journalist the as Deseret and publisning then company. a As Bowen to come to Peterson, then made back was as I life a know, as Deseret Hinckley, at of the tnere nas and of the News, at General president president thne Gordon whole president as Authority E. his calling was far General spent hnis ne Albert me He until company. been called know. News, Autnority, always you tne time then then ne Mark Tnhomas WO Marson. EE: G mayviinG viegdb eengdimi Albert Bowen wrote instnesGniirch thils the section. nroillel ¥as criticism of priesiident S8t nalt Fawn Wouldivourknowei £ Brod?ls that book tis tne case? WS: I don't recall--I guess ne was president at that time. KCt Was WS: Let tnis unusual? me back period for Nielsen up and about was correct tnree or president, B. EC: Was a WS: He was EiGhe I didn't recognize tne name. WS: A nighly regarded man in years Tnere was wnen Mark a George Peterson and Hinckley. General not President four between Gordon ne sometning. a and Autnority? General an Autriority. attorney. 61 the Churcn, For some ne was reason a Stake that I WILLIAM B. SMART don't #3 understand background, Wny bring P.R. I was I made don't really president for know about thne thnree or years. four EG ne and in man Wendell and believe nad and Asnton? I associations other Kknow witn things. ne was Evans Why was he ne was a a good Advertising put in that position? WS: Until ne was brought piubil teld clommuntiicat difficult and to tne Churchn." tnan mine. It was know if I nad ne trat think I Director of Public felt it was wno aiviervie some tnat it some of felt was less wrno was tne Churcn a cnange Sjloby L ibmtiad id There always at tnat point tne General it was time direction. and pernhaps Tnere, 62 to it 1is position as so He done nad Wendiel:d pleasing nad I tnose were tine Lding not of liberal tnere. was tnink, I nis 1 6 about reasons reason, in I vulnerable. very scars some tougher even definitive one but that in was Secondly, people. concern and jobs job for time to his any atviery used that and of Wendell toughest Communications. e fif e citriivied style Asnton position. visible acquired Chunch. & two give can the the very appointment Wendell's for director have I and say don't ionsy responsible "You me, there to the won Authorities. I tnink somebody in thnere put less was independent time just of before WILLTAM B. we SMART were #3 to renew Tribune, @nd Wendell's main renegotiate thirty EGs the you that it this not wnole case WS: It of the in of tne it legalized atiiloim, ones It but was won in Meanwnile, editorially. Sl the The be two tnis editorial did it ) Wnat was arrangements in the there was had ciolirt! by case the a court been quite elalse fwals newspapers, The newspapers arrangement maintain independence 63 tne reasons of and were tn ived Agency out news ithe ‘Ewo economically. independent very sStandpoint. complete and more remained worked “in distributioent, flunectiions mucn @l Newspaper Sprinting!,’ nandled it HlldeEHSty if nomtiniat newspapers Corporation | tiwioWnielwisipiaiper's " iiny Wmielanit it natt could factors. abouts there The chigenliabiony f andWadvertising newspapers next and arrangements. called to arrangement tnat thatitime . cleloiiomElcgRJioritniinigh Gomipo me was the three Agency this the merger. tnese corporation, tne such over motion aMibit tlle i bit to early Tucson. in Newspaper to seem set with Corporation. brought were first tnis afewNoEneriiat! at the rise It involved Arizona, and contract Agency was tnose up gave one one he llet ! st allk country? was as guess brougnt tnat Newspaper contract I aEREnI ST Eime ¢ was thirty-year cnarge years. Since our well The gatnering competitiveness. in Etwo and The WILLTAM B. SMART #3 competitiveness I think, excellent remember in 1947, determined strong nad a in of very e ol deail decision others is wno the were Do to up everybody given a thimble tnat race premiums trat were included giving away very circulation area was Colorado widely time. Las Of any course, knife given Vegas border., than the So in very and many Those were thne ¢to build drome a all was sort tne and tnat as Boise over of otner contests from <a racers paper prizes were tne and or became soutnwest, paper 64 It expanded probably A 1947 the expensive we was to circulation the it late made sets in otner tnis in a determined tnimble car? point nere staff. subscribed drome was competitiveness. in tne it ¥iintiol et nait S Tnalt here remember may circulation, was brougnt were witn to It efforts you gatnering. put tne been, become tnat in full was up along nortn, news Fwas® I to weak to As would Up newspaper. beef you wnere Tne and has year, News newspaper, brought ‘great years. Tribune. reason year's' symbol, centennial oififimonlely 1948 circulation. the brougnt particulary that® those policy, be newspapers all the rate would two Deseret weak second it the the editorial definite tnat tnat competitor been weak between well. to tne to thne circulating more country thnat tremendously at expensive, and WILLIAM B. tne SMART #3 Tribune course; tney well. It course spent was, tne a So lot frankly, Deseret Tribune. that responded it President kind. of money breaking News was in nhad and on the had to, of circulation as two deeper finally McKay They palpler pockets determined, John shaNOIf: than and Fitzpatrick I the think made the accommodations. EC: Because they nad worked togetner in thne centennial program? WS: Yes, and Gus remember, we and Utan used came out of tnere advertising E€: Same WS: Same of you was naving nad one Mucn the think I idea of to be presses, gained--ratner wnen you could two sets set. afternoon of botn card rate joint a same the press to print paper. staff. distributed trucks factor the and paper morning tne use would We rignt. Tnat's of Hotel one. witn by get sets two the may forward-- economies certain were contacts, you state. meetings. brougnt was agency maintaining than WS: an at tne of tnose those of years, periodically problems in Jjoining meet three tne because largely Now to Tnose discuss cooperation EC': Backman. papers. for advertising Advertisers 65 were The biggest Instead advertising. salesman given thne so on option of and WILLTIAM EC: B. SMART #3 advertising in Soutn the WS: East the rate all EE: was in Deseret Yes. EC: At if they greatly them Now, WS: News," Tribune, of paper Furniture Deseret Or one News that the otner’ could say, "No, they chose. nad that go for the would time remain tne to joint arrangement Deseret I want But tnem. mine tne So in joint virtually advertising. was an or'both. freedom. advantageous did tnis or it agreed evening News thrnat thne six day paper? was only a gave up paper. WS: At EG: On, you WS: But part EC: I tnat nad How tnat nad tne did a Sunday Well, Wendell owners we a of see. now? WS: time the tnat Asnton supported was that change come and paper. paper? agreement wny renewal Sunday I back us--that determined Sunday that paper. negotiations agreement us in was We that witnout a we were Sunday made it there we paper 66 course going Sunday Jjust rate position. going from be no paper. to tne sign We six ‘diay We just do, nave start renewal Of to our paper. ‘hiaving clear Sunday a were would of not witnout second wnat a the determined--and, agreement put to that. about? BeilESSvie Byl isiticio nighifys 't niat publication we of of course, a thne tne tnat WILLIAM B. SMART gave #3 great with pain the that. Tribune. Tney that was saving were doing well was not advertising, terms of tne but we In this WS: As EG: No, far as witn editions Streak Tne or the of the equal week, in and in Sunday, Witnout paper. a of bitter that years of So very negotiation, old put sometning in or was that know now many a Blue out was it itself 67 concerned? News,I Deseret I published. wnatever arrangement is paper Sunday were do to open? left tne you tnat editions of nave you did arrangement mucn our prevailed. finally number pretty sometimes negotiations, intensive the two took it and insistence our was but is paper two-tnirds only were we that that doing and nole. news SRt out readersnip, of and papers voice of strengtn the size‘of the Sunday terms in. Botn pointed people tne of vienyasw et consideration the the sense expensive money. getting of of thnird a main was be We associates thne working making our nhis see would were industry our In and financially. of felt that was nomes the in about that WS: it terms tne couldn't out money, very strongly. EG:: They consideration Churcn we Gallivan arrangements financially to Jack pointed present main to was tnere know called said don't and notning so on. about that. But WILLTIAM B. tne SMART original tnat the Agency been one of used tnem nave deal. Las I just delivery paper is to we County E€:: tne For it Utan and or far Of Utan soutnern north as phrase decisions, editions tne is as and far as now hnhome tne daily elsewnere, soutn of Cache provision to really and delivery great Boise send Utan and papers a from we Logan tnat that of be course nome Newspaper of distribution make of to central in number provide distribution used daily So example, daily that because Utan Valley. that we would profits. early number WS: their really tne of of those. by mail, '70s area I recall unless the upon tne We still It just Do you send costs get we used newspapers about effect served. don't maximize Wnat number newsstands That's In the did the profits. reducing éoncerned. as from a back nortnern managed for areas Now renewal basis mentioned Vegas. tne maximize tne being pulled be to as tne and would standpoint nas but agreement papers reducing EE = #3 tne nere. Boise was postal rates, it to them anybody subscribe to We lost finally paper there distribution quite to some refused of wnho to norrendous did tnis the a nave wide some send it chnarge. a great Deseret News? subscribes by mail. more. a number 68 from out outlying Mormons WILLIAM B. wno WS: EC: WS: SMART want Not #3 to very read many. Tney take This is the editor? you have I WS: The EE's FSsees WS: Tne Editor and General tnougnt it Churcn cnoose to the Yes, pPleisiepleB available of caused A more is can lot a tne Churcn none. clarification of News. nave a nave a Do editor just independent tnan department Churcn Manager, T Editor navie do¥ have you as you the just of News as the tne Deseret answers to City Editor the News. Editor does, or “Hel’s part ‘circulation, if you part of tne 'is noft thelNFeaturiel Mo that. Ediitorid a considered is oir “eilrcul atiitonttariea . NlewisHSimy outside of area. it *take of sepiarate News Cnurch lot a it? circulation ariea®ean WS: virtually structure. tnat YetiSthey I fact a separate was News eresSportis EE: want, the a of Editor. EC: our matter I and newspaper? News. sometning Separate €Ity WS: a Churcn News of Church As Deseret Well, a grief, "mail, as our outside Tnose by to newspaper tne you "It tnose withnin circulation independently. That's know. imagine. of debate. People 69 wno want a daily paper or WILLIAM B. SMART people or #3 who live .wnatever nave a tne it nard Cnurcn a el CiEv of i sheour Utan of very to mucn, E€: In but tnere of Ess was the tne was a Newspaper bitterness there any discussion tnat you far policy oumn Lake that was all papers habe was to use always a always our tnem very satisfy between 70 eacn but there . to Yet formation under Jonn ‘wasn't the time. Were where any his editors paper retained policy. witn just not previously role you tnat Corporation, existed what thneir the we editorial as ims tianice meetings for in Salt: but News indicated change, Agency apiadiniels f s forre didn't tnat policy. as decided that that that sure the maintain Churcn So It people. tnose To is mainitain. home, feel tne resource. independence your only we and arrangement, this our Utan, carries consider responsibility. resources tnat ‘or The News be tmusit take paper. newspaper tnat ndondlit nope important answer of Swie paper, Deseret to paper can't daily Church kind Lake they the diomitin alty, tnrougnhout our the Provo Salt tne standards Uit ahl e we our a wny that of thneir want taking tnat nigh only is strengtn all voice iEn unecntaiiic strengtinsgding want don't been nave witn and understanding always as one and witnout people nome, af News nas publisned is Provo time Churcn answer in would play or WILLTAM B. SMART #3 would there be tne WS: considered antitrust Well, I provisions don't know suppose we witnhout violating nave never kind of could the discussed. Obviously, as wnere then I to go never did. on invited Palace nas to been meetings make I any been you I policies people tnose back, on we nave Salt go you but Tribune tne you of provisions. decided the matter. such but and witn violation agreement? antitrust, met and antitrust met editorial listen the about meetings, you of have ever an collusion and your own decisions. EE: You encouraged be to morning's Tnis the editorial naven't WS: I EC: Well, strong Tribune nhad word, nave tne for tnat read they to gift you would position the issue. million $16 were as Tribune, given a on taken to sort Sorensen the take any been discussion policy ougnt editorial about wnat to were community for strong a University taken Deseret meetings tnese ever never nas tne and us between meetings asking and support there but support, tnose neld wnoever our for from sometning? on tack course, of Well, asking EG: never particular a WS: were nad you News over of Utan. been Wnat writing tnis? because-of for 71 condemning, retracting tnat tne mignt gift. be a WILLIAM WS: I B. SMART #3 suppose I position. for the EGS es s WS: For I would tnink the done, I faculty and that they to Jim have into of hiimsie people it taken tnat kind Let's come to a that terrible same tragedy nas nurt tnis conveyed to you? Tne nis Joe thne way he it Minals to the Uiniiivie riSHSEAv RO dildes endeared hel attitude. I of himself has) So suppose wnat or ‘llositiitne you I know, I would have you were positions you was this sometning said stand Cnurcn's was How issues. day other the wnat certain on on. issues and so Seldom was tnere any occasion for anyone to convey to Chtkren's®position. of For instance, tne issue all the furor was going position for certain on tne then 88T R tiniiinic matter take sSStne taken, position. of knew the everybody. to you taken nasn't over to nave harm £, expected about it Sorenson tnink on been students terrible diasicismgusned respect the get tnink, course EC: has about SHEris. Rosenblatt WS: that taken University. position EE: have BYU of basketball tne diild ® ItV 'S & and? fortn team Deseret blacks, tne and News on that in the 1960s, so on. Wnat these was wnen attacks about things, tne wnere WILLTIAM WS: B. SMART Well, #3 obviously Churcn's position. minimized tne any a g miue any black usy,) BYU I of I guess, one that I an wanted did se tisisy to to we say lof ug. editorialize that a So itinalt:: criticized tnis, to and IENG boycotted, et because embarrassment v s itENd idnilit. tne lsiiind many have opportunity SiSiues, to orvatileastoto was would was contrary that, not It clonilidS when editorially. lost liwfs s Obviously, the was deal. aal s never On position great prabl ems to were discussion Cnurcn's defend we that I never positively about sV 18 s it S EC: May this nave WS: I nave been been think resented my so. In tnat EC: At tne blacks tae they blacks tne got into a of the not snould Supreme Chnuren time never fact, if Siusitatmatfertofiitnat!s until reasons wny was aware while Rt hliinkiwtnatiy supported be,sbut! tne was Autnorities, way, and I position. Emeriteiyniindisis same of you mignt criticized? don't General one I that am vitr tualll ye all of nave not inside val15 ot tine felt the tnem, full anybody civil rignts Court's decisions. It sway country ought 'tne sStuck in tne a different was to position revelation. the priestnood, Siplelc N e biriile fidnig #se f tnat i3 were you acceptance of announcement you called mignt in declare of a for tae WILLTAM B. SMART position WS: We #3 of the nad our meeting over of the Churcn regular wnich meeting, wnicn space an can you give to what is me any to "Can ought to be front page or local now to plan?" He said, "I know yourwilll at know Taake wasrits nun? WS: Tnat was Tne and of course elliaced. Bl guess will I before, Boston tnhen He tne I and I say had end said tnat keep some said, "Well any clues it, "No, I can't." to me whether page, Al or think went Trail. EC:: Hilstor ilersitbes. WS: From of all course when sometning been in and B1, you out but It and was jioyis about Boston Freedom at it thunderstruck ymysdiesicepwiitng president Concord about indicate day were weptiat marathon Freedom next we Maratnon vice least I the I it so near I it it oY EC: it. He should said, Said, you I information He committee At remain. announcement. happening?" News. presided. Thursday, important Deseret executive Monson asked was me tne monthly Elder ne tomorrow, for tnrougn Days. Harvard, a run, we were not we decided that we ten miles Lexington T4 time nignly Sik montns of tne Peterson was long-time to was Some tne Cnase and sAllgrignt , that. during announced, going would friend. to run run tne of-- to tne nortnern end of WILLIAM B. SMART Boston. So said that mind and and we he and nad been wanted issue Harvard did, tnere the RERE #3 nad my was said as we nelp. So one nim, "You matter, and attaeck fon tne “that." policy changed. in It given tne black trace that nad But inel Soutn used to be his changed. veins most EC: Partiecularly WS: Yean, most of those eliviis rled¥iiglilohys constitutional [ know" in order more recent is down has to be was no years given the FiisiMbili acik thne in blood black is thnat America tnere person there there." before tnat in that part of you way there is no would be telear country that *but could was anotner. 15 the defend a.matter tnan that world, not of a Cnhase the policy of matter said, shown was it was poliey. said lawyer tne and court tne the it So places. those of any came one kEnidiss tnat in at "Briazil? tnis in it, could Central but about Churcn Wal and prove people if doctrine; or person, to hnis %ifs teviild entNtnattitineriel tnat oxt WiTs "Youw a a know obviously We of that Now TG and lineage, priestreocdunile ssi it blood. said, nad tne legal America priestnood, in no on professors tilonis owvier M 2 Gt elnt i S R n e vl ey it h alt be the Cnase much talked know, RERIEESTE could talked. very we of nisa®vier viid iERF iichull Epoisi tnere we sometning thnis: to ran It's "I policy, hnere. It religion different nave been WILLTAM B. SMART worried about Bretnren. wnen #3 thnat. Would I got present I you help back tnat I Tnis is and I two or the to the nad is tnis that also a I our questions and are likely wept to nim if of to we get 76 vdifiiciilitc nere News on the Not long agonizing over nim. guess the Chase was joy to some people, and convenience the need Lord it gives us we tnen answer. their I tne that is tnis wnat at witn intensify nad cnange called desecribing So doctrine. tne tnat and prayer intensive I tnat tne message togetner might that William Deseret to changed say matter and of about it believe but I person snould people, some for for ‘ther the it morning tnat nesitant am I So Peterson's get that We ofi by Chase did first I nappened. reasen tne the ¥ 1960sk matter a Boston. ¥some® Kimball, it Trne in Peterson to course." with specifically We me to came made. been "Of interview taken getting about revelation tne word said, about rijgntshin. made matter, received second i t8iand’ President tnat, tnis our Kimball. President after message ONE] positions i il talking was I that arrangements SIDE OF of itsiiro llelsn bilfdckstiniiec WS: me?" SHestisitialllciing’ positions get message. side BESESmart to made [END EC: need feeling politics, answers to for it tnat is ask think WILLTAM B. SMART exactly EGa #3 what happened effort on and got it. remember Jan I ne was in President Churcn was necessity wrote about a expand their in keeping with WS: Part of tne same thinking. EC: Ne NV thiankdSyoulifort let's touch arrived at or your wnat on WS: I wnicn meeting, as tne witnh issues of reference cases, tne the anid® to day and Churcn that it tne this ibacks LDS was I tol policy a think welil== decision going to to take, be?.Were there ‘or sessions daily or just editorials that up nigner from of percent was Manager decide In didn't Tt wnat nave and, great a of course, tne discuss to going were “dio " it , fand the we and writers would We Asnton. editorial daily editorial the of the our in set General goMManiealdi anybody. ninicl itself? 99 Wendell Tt answer blacks. a going people and the were there consisted Editor later dbloniIES was ‘Were with an and fifetimeiigo you policy written, were me tnat suppose on positions organization the witnin Church, was the get saying how editorial witn sometning intensive articilles issue, thiat. iseissions? weekly to an this. tnis, wnhat good idea is was part world tnis upon a thnis becoming to It Kimball's Ships Dialogue here. withnoeut majority position. of do any tne Obviously, WILLTAM B. SMART there would question. stood, If was witn James of president, and a President very there was Tne MX now was to WS: remain Well tne the talk sensitive afterwards missile nim Faust, statement at we of and a very wise Tnere meeting, witn and tnen Elder time. otners, editorial matter, or chairman tnat to Committee confer was was time If Monson, time he from about and arrived tnis course, Elder seldom the Churcn would He real wrote. Elder key. during Executive Monson, a Hinckley, Committee witn we a the and course a was wnere anead of became Of there knew went Gordon talked we tnen later montnly would we president. we when matter question, was nead, a course Executive Monson EC: was Faust--ne the to occasions it a our was be why thnere of #3 but we matters. If we would be asked would talk about it then. tne General now did Autnorities, tnis present you world? of News Deseret and it it was How publication. to statements from of example. So editorial policy. time to arrived time, that course I just independently at, know. Tnat as have 78 to the gave say, black us our nowever, I know. don't I of for us to presented publication, for us presented was I . don't cemldsguessyebixt came statement tnat course, just was were othner statement guidance thnat for on before WILLIAM B. SMART tnhat #3 statement, about MX in we a had very editorialized negative a waly good deal Teontiohlr foiwn initiative. BE: And to WS: you nad not nad no we going to Gordon was in counseling for any that. one other Hinckley was president Editor and for usually we would were great leader counseling, deligntful and and time togetner. Of wnat editorial so wonder ful in was would was be also us and pretty we nave an talk and made but talk. was if enjoyable was that was of Gordon Hinckley nave tnem, tne tnere source mucn a those about sensitive, a He I meet it, Generally, done was and just times. would obtrusive. letting mistakes, to that never would was time to achieve We just we the tried always I company we friend. needed that thne wonderful course matter So He we see. During of lunch. great wnere and discussed. a tning. didn't for meetings guidance. We Let's Manager, meet were newspaper General lunch. Those our on mention weekly make called speak? No, an been editorial freedom obviously. was to But we-EE To your sometning knowledge, and tnen did you were you e 79 ever called take and a position cnastised on for WILLIAM B. SMART WS: On sure. EG? You were? time WS: Of EG I #3 that So you you were did an "Tnat not was know. By tnis to’ the I to you mean more cautious with tnat O.N. Malmquist. next subject? that we of Robinson views. But responsible Eriyaitol tnrougn him. WigkstE st we was He said, toe, and we terms. a case or Jjust were ever in isn't general of opposition tne views of opposition to Churcn It was more felt. But I didn't that. It used me, trnat ne wno would Hinckley tnat made otner wasn't sHeplosiEchySN E riom 80 always a policy matter have to be, nad of a twelve nim about it clear tnat News, followed, it iime s Lo now great bosses thneir ne Autnorities Deseret on President call General ideal N with | the That our about. bosses and uncertain policy tell Gordon a poisiistii on wanted. stubbed it a has out." we tnat witn to no R toll no there wrote used taken He leaders? leaders fifteen time, that problem nad cnewing in Churcn he Fitzpatrick Churcn policy; individual or time know general deal gentle it tne don't mucnr a generial of Jonn about do with where what From told some WS: story to were E€= little dealing interview opposite I a course. deligntful WS: were time, was were except that but T nad WILLIAM B. SMART #3 communications EG2 WS: and Gordon the waste basket." Are tnose being used There be away. Tnat's some, too some one witn participate in witn are any tne sucn papers tnem nere I The other became in in threw our most of Manager. witn Newspaper national of Wnat you any your was your encouraged to Tnen of became Newspaper Publisners 81 the I a time was became a do we thnat member Writers. Editor member Editors Association. to were tne I tne national was, Editorial until I answer nothing From Writer, of To of were. Editorial years nad question certainly many Society you international there. editorial Conference General for a result about? Were day won a and come second Cnief National wrote tnis questions we so American tnrow organizations? Tne and Was groups? particular remained American Authnorities tnat you tnis involvement encouraged, of did several tnat first think national tnese organizations. I "Just your editorial How association first, to, in I General [laughter] with organizations? Tnere me distinction. invelvement WS: but bad. tnat of tell the [laugnhter] indicated award of preserved [laugnter] may some to arcnives? them E€: from of and I I and thne Tne belonged WILLIAM B. to SMART both of chairman in cnarter board tnose a of the not board thneir to a of maximum number of terms trat you was a American Lima and that to gone to or crasn landing in Press Association attended it the can recall 1972. the they I was closest nad. and They wnich was Aztec make nijacked I I board that a I was a served the once and it to South the in Tnat tnat and a thnese, did you a number and got Miami. was neld that meeting, America sometning Miami. Club of tne Inter- meeting in otners of organization. Now in or but became that. didn't nad I about organization, on committee International that advisory spoke almost you sidetracked you Then was directors thnat It it a Press sure directors, of fact not 'but of as tnings. international board remember active United I'm member because EC:> of crarter I was tne datey an in WS: of advisers. organized thing and number member exaetly E€=: #3 as a result of international America or relations anything? Wnhat sort or of writing was a result specialize on Soutn of thnese make it connections. WS: Well, traveled I be policy to always acnieve a abroad that, at but 82 I tried once a deal. good least I did a lot to year. of I didn't international a WILLIAM B. SMART traveling and writing my #3 in did rather connections. those Erip T Of ‘took "“to It tne to some places witn tne In taking at tne otners, I think to the so, to Cuba witn role do you yes. did flowering predecessors News? That anyway, as of you tnink, News the nad Sio iy eistS the is it wnho really I indicated. paper. nad 83 Tnen thnat I into I went year, and out I much came don't more you? before I mucn miy traditional been So Derg me proceeded because nad there. brancn nadn't we been. from you of elsiSI get leaders nad partly So following Did guests, IO nave the with did depart Press that, interview important Deseret Deseret newspaper a group the China. otnerwise ‘the because were organizations not tnis our first United trip, of of ‘with empnasize feixiamipilter s would The was of We out associations example, agency for tnose interviews policy of with my board My organization influence. should news E o e same an prestige. leaders, I suppose remarkable I grew particular nad a official the association WS: was guests nad I writing. really advisory paying ISt aloRRERSnlev tnan and considerable we any “€hinay""for nad access EEs than officers Hsinnua, international affairs course, International. the of organizations executive group lot international travels with a at know interest came of a sort if my in WILLTAM B. SMART #3 international journal certainly but hnis Siel pl Al e tiyasnn the Holy Land. hnad, interest, was in EGa Yes, the Middle WS: Tne Dead Sea nadn't done don't iGkedthe EC: Did Scrolls of President Robinson iish girielait eisit East-- an know press. and awful any lot of eindnoft my of sort with of traveling predecessors traveling competition that that thne I thing. He elsewhere. wno did I anytning dide Tribune, promote thnis interest? WS: Sure, if tne tnat bie need was Tney to tne Deck because same kind of I tne that so of don't Kknow competition was'ithe Wnile on. you thing, of kinds weren't of you went and Editor were time? that at writing also they, Fuller Harry and China to went were Manager, General newspaper. sbecausie and America Soutn good was. I doing Art because a Tt e was tnat were be necessarily Winiibuness Jjournalist E€Cs to yes. WS: On EC: You WS: Well, continued. Editor as tne considered tnat most important ones and expertise. I did Manager wnere I some of 84 nad I wrote I editorials, sensitive particular were thought, General and or tnat, and mean knowledge thnen, ones careful needed particular I wnat of or course WILLIAM B. SMART wnenever EE€ It I traveled wasn't head on of tell us about my course, tne it the Antarctic. I Washington tne National for some otner witn WasiEl 68 a9 Geopnysical not Tnis, wno Frencnman, a Zealand, Byrd New It to series of was and a president I in with at to on Tne and and tne tnat. following Utan State 85 I a two or Soutn Tnat year, to even member of contact or to go the was then was to the It “lin't ermiai o nall t was trip. of Foundation. thnere. Tnere One, meetings a that Science little know some invited down Base thnem. From think, marvelous tnen articles distinguisned. was that was Zealander, McMurdo Station I went journalist. us. sure to there? a took, Sesihoritilv i aifitieriitihle Year. talk ever back National want I was I you wnen career to acquainted reasons, journalists of I do your tne jJust of Foundation. tne was were out trip quite you else and grew became American six It interesting wnhat Science Antarctic News invited. and whnen What exciting I'm was up. be and like pages. came would extensively. bases Deseret most in of daily travels wny wrote editorial about maybe today I important Well, the a the sometning WS: #3 first was group the only Norwegian, three We from Pole. work wnen University, others-- went from thnere I a out did a to long ratner became Daryl we New Crase went to WILLIAM B. SMART South nad #3 America long togetner. nad You recall ties with Iran foreign students. Tnat connection broken, so ne was opportunities students. Soutn He an invited except tne we U.S. on most tEhe Aid of way Guianas seeing He Wnat aid very was people the give aid were long the in for wrote a cases. in power. we So were We about debriefing. and I used told 86 it them director of went about in went we ne to seemed friends people's need for between tne about State my was tnese supported not the tne to in wnat making of contact went nignt administrations to about an with were supporting direct tnat being instead talked program, talking I was conversation Particulary and coast. One tne to sSoutn there were that dictatorsnips cases. to-people I to people, many many in with because governments--governments exchnange north trip. disillusioned aid, other Wil Ehe hime and The we mucn clouNErVe ine thnat Peru. pretty trdp the talking in nignt. a on of Iranian foreign stories, out night U.S. up many State expanding for on Utan was every of came tne was witn to series American countries. go tne Program tne to went tning spent me nad in countries We extensive interesting Lima, interested otner America. America, did in and that was the by to tnat witn enemies a people- people. So Department feelings and WILLIAM B. So SMART on. #3 Not long gentleman, nead who up a Progress. On tnat to and the that, been of me Alliance. partners nad that, So of So to was partnersnip. Is tnis tihe to South Salt Lake call to tnis Wasnington The a from Alliance report well. called to head was calling me to tne first decided So I dentist that nas Tne report partnersnip we would organized who to for as was ne Bolivia. Bolivia back organize it a made he Progress. ask had called course, of I called program basis for the EC: new Alliance in nad He, the after the taken be Utan projects America? WS: Ebtaliivgrewreutvofothat . EC: My neignbor, Ed Heyes, nas been down tnere for two years. WS: EoaiesNgiriew Partners people outi¥o Cup. to il Bhaltiitoof. I called come to EfaskieditRoyidentf cnairman. Neeleman, quite tne went agreed cnief of extensive on Alliance to for luncn meeting for Derrick He secretary. a tne if to tne do Utan become cnose tne Progress. 87 well, organtizedi invited "would so. I U.P.I. in because tne first recruited Royden succeeded Gary wno America, Chairman key meeting. bureau, Soutn was ‘be the some organization National He If and 'he experience We Sof nad to be Derrick for by the Gary WILLTIAM B. SMART Neeleman the EC: WS: #3 as most National distinguisned nationally. So travels the Wnat Chairman. and about travel there? Donna and one writing tne I went dedication leaders that's behind of in tne extensively virtually all great deal Moyle nappened tne Iron was the LDS first cnurcn invited and met about Eael tnere. East the but people otner EroniiCuntaing course, series go to of iny in stories tnat after that Tnen shortly EREtp Bwas Wit went tnere to witn Cuba and PSP IS see keep if tnem 38 in on for tnere. tnat or get to went to wrote Henry way of It tne war. down to Leipzig some writing been "Rusisia. (L did an became pirating D. the did a tne hne benind adids “of small book. The Cnrina Cuba a So extensive Cuba. build a benind conference. twas | tinel couldn't went Autnority to the we nadn't and later from nis a I I 1978 I my that, Berlin, went andisso we and since Euroeper China Europe was We than of cover After General tnere to We was He you Europe. of nim. out did temple. any witn grew Europe Germany that been go witn tnat, be time to to I of did. througnh While to nad me Curtain, it. to Curtain Iron some organization, that I countries about became that tnat 1958 traveled in thing London the Tney trip.s We relationsnip U.P.I. news WILLTAM B. SMART reports. were #3 We trying subject of air. I So news met witn their to figure out their reports?" [laughter] EG: but Cuba, I and Anytning One wrote News was stories that you would do you "We Enis get steal ever an about broach We EepoRtsSEfromEthe "How we tnere. your tnem." stopped interesting the trip te that. like to when I of Utan's called tnat Cnannel talk about your Editor and career? tning General that could was, think anyway, else Deseret WS: don't press U.P.I. nim, answer of we the asked Tne I stealing, how stealing delicately chief tnat I Manager started was a program was "Goals fordWitanc™ EG: Something been WS: involved Yes s run to like Yes, a tell us ougnt nelping community deptn try 2000" 2 nas in? basiecally what to otners responses. to Year tnat. questionnaire News some "Tne tne try to solve I leaders to tnem. solve. discussion groups and and We they they 89 a would would T that a get would readers the Deseret catalyst the would faced break give discuss and in readers' cross-section We Utan do, asking be would invite tnat Then would felt breakfast. problems to they tackle would I newspaper, problems Tnen the in Wnat of in we ougnt into small tneir reports WILLIAM B. SMART back. #3 OQut of all that problems that we sometning about. It that would that do involved tnings that the it attractive. San could I I that served Jordan some good followed that I from tne years up. think. I've beginning, Gorsillitanlse cnairman. tnose of We as felt and say, 2000" is been and Buture ¢ of So cnairman you were nelped doing some L'm filtn- in make Denver done that and got Provoprograms we nave well them tne tnat did since witn almost Coalition currentilly “w tnings we later that with the and very organize which' the the otners involved was felt that, Foundation. As "Project I the nave tackled well of up that rivers. we One with it News agency nappened places as things thnings. on. clean do tne example, nad their So Parkway otner wnat witn so to Deseret be started to other too. several in We seen and nere River going nad to for River--seeking beautiful do that, Parkway. thne try and several tackle, just would of identify to be people, out Antonio somethning we otner Jordan like wouldn't River in would would but grew Provo-Jordan and it, we icie- felt we Editor" is I accomplisned. EC In wthis very critical previous paper, morning's letter, of the a Tribune's they where 90 "Letter have to the handling severely of edited his it WILLTIAM B. and nave to WS: SMART a day? Do I changed say. this Wnat you I have writer out of would do the can tnings kind of preference to criticized us. nardsnip Hack veriy av T would Trere was Hack get, My my «iin - Ehe of opportunities give our point of view 91 many the caused me Hack that and or our were was ‘we is an than summer wnen to give us some or real particulary of course ne People critical irate about the were with members, and we more always disagreed that columnists as Editor" was controversy Fele laniggra Wwaysewas, the policy the preserve writers in atnafk took the vcommuniityi. letters and to except sensitive, anyone Obviously, course staff has editor try to of policy was lot slis every Letiter s it. But that of it, to "Letters up. write witn nor the flavor. That publisn a could usually, some had editior2 faced else's destroyed letters i sibilie occasionally that You dry witn Miller. think Yes, publisn writer trne letter anyone tne tning. to were edited we satisfied. the selective? even best wnhat you anybody's or not of letters that be ever it and interesting you to didn't neart seldom thnese edited think, meaning meaning problem never else, tne about tnorny have Ehe #3 ‘would of about tnat. nhad editorial position. was nim. thnat. But my plenty of writers to Therefore, WILLTAM we B. SMART snould give is #3 give tne otner still a sometning didn't I we of an it, shnould column were to be saying would publish Most WS: We ECS BEEGISAN T8 some say a we of think tnat did. that always members I in our letter what thne people political I basis. campaigns would If publisn to Otnerwise, tried of was staff letters. would I the we During is we more balance tinlat: you you thnings out. try got to more Republican indicated thnat those witn tne national a served Association Improvement Mutual you imany sin "abeuty ¥biit become to on con. affiliation your went a Factiver ibeen litEle a mentioned you tnen ‘have! det'sStalk and and pro a to You Men's that we tnere Then of what proportional that Club So wanted versa. kniows officer. is wno that. representative vice activities. Young and tninking. organd zations, Excnange issue letters, do did paper. just frequently would anyone the that on or letters, always nundreds them to of as get I but and Republican EE: side. policy like guess preference for in tne twenty years. years fifteen WS: Yes, EC = Was it the Explorers WS: Yes, first you that thnen I scout was on the Board. General particulary were interested in program? chairman 92 of the M. Men committee and WILLIAM we B. SMART did some along. We program and Tnen I about of #3 built ten part of and marked not? of on. We stone, were to the boys Gleaner Men program., Committee built the build member of member of as a Bisnop tne of tne General 98 wnicn were very we nice since the That went BYU. at It been now nhas Tfivomi™ailil ovier itine experience for tnem growing. Explorer Board. "biuliilid "¥t hie ‘establiished of Federal 1led we kids executive 12 Region little vandalized years. and il been and learning CHSE s plaques they Conference National tne from have hign-level days, several tnat; tne tnemselves provided S biriotigihts a was It of some M EC iinun discUio led country. we wnich of for well and of Lake wrote for program miles Salt trail, trail. Explorers International released the ‘didldisEnaty’ swe WiSo called we tne proud most monuments, for Explorer program the B anaid® s viair foiuisSINE x pill oirleirMSp/oisitish monuments, very had M. tnirty-six that you Eiiemt. last tnat from Master period the you Men the Henefer monuments put of from Tne carried nonorary that niking book, Heishiwiel In M. Trail, researcned WS: the years. that the chairman Explorers guide there separated became Pioneer ECe tnings I became a and a Committee board. Heignts Then Ward I was and was WILLIAM B B. SMART Was it #3 fortunate little more that you liberal were thnan some in an of the area that was others in a tne state? WS: BE: In tne shadow of professors around there I tnat Kindred the me? University On, I guess witn I University found some people and some of enjoyed. spirits such as Jim Clayton thne others. WS: And Chase E€: How long WS: I served I was did as years called the to How and was I was as for a Bisnop? little of course, on tne Sunday all others. serve served about nistoric and Bisnop couple‘of board WS: you released, Nelson EE: Peterson as Stake disbanded non-Church years, are. I Council, then I Board by eignt years until the format groups, tnen served General for and five bishops Hign Scnool tnere over a was Russell tnat cnanged. naving to do witn preservation? member charter a of tne Heritage Utan Foundation. been You nave for years. WS: For many B Now you EC: in a years, indicated talking about tne Utan Historical think tnat we of member Society yes. and I affiliation your 94 got witn sidetracked the Mormon WILLIAM B. SMART History WS: Yes, EEGH You I WS: Association. think told Wnat #3 we told about thne about The other Mormon as ECs no. tning, thougn a Wnat read WS: I Never, find B involved been you WS: the about What @n new about tneir nave I to editor History? a but done. and not as reasons or was in attention have sucn director many so to Have Dialogue? as that thnat? in been never serve of on directed tne to searcn kind of committee to thnat Sunstone. or Sunstones Sunstone publications? ‘seme. [END Mormon poliey muecn publications History. was as give Mormon involved myself found did I ‘any. foir liked nave tne meetings, "not didn't [ Ehat would I just the of Association? s tihialt;. I anytning. of organizations directors the geEhivessiine story. Friends History attended Enings that OF 95 TAPE] Symposium, do you THIS IS TAPE NUMBER TWO OF OUR SECOND INTERVIEW WITH WILLIAM B. SMART, EDITOR AND GENERAL MANAGER OF THE DESERET NEWS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF HIS ACTIVITIES OQUTSIDE THE NEWSPAPER. [EVERETT L. COOLEY IS THE INTERVIEWER. THIS IS PART OF THE EVERETT COOLEY ORAL HISTORY PROJECT. TAPE #4.] EC: What about they have these publications? been hnelpful interests of WS: Sunstone, Dialogue? EC: Yes. WS: Well, find I I speaking, EC: WS: Cnurcn wno are give To your very kind not Temple wno Well, yes, sure. about that. at bisnop to join toink? Jim, Jim thnat the an outlet for tell me a little me one day. to He said that time. staff going of new nappen to 96 then. 1s nad asked He Dialogue. just was ne it's well 47 East 'I this? writing? of kind you came people at those tnis to and write. to been there tne of many think I and of kind magazines are there place a thnink I that Churcn tne But and Let thne Generally mainstream The Clayton Dizlemue, what's a opposed are Soutn helped by nave knowledge, to lot. nhave on. outlet an thnat Churcn? interesting. mainstream, the in tne thinking. so and found tnem? served well you detrimental or of of kind News them to tnhem nave so is tne about they that writing, feel tnink to good Churcn community you do How it!s the or Have anecdote I been wnat said, was nis invited I did "Well, Dialogue is WILLTAM B. SMART going to #u take a react to going to more liberal and then SifeHt reaction I st art See rignt you in that didn't happen; Seiuiivd: N et but it EC: I and it So I publication WS: Of BYU you know of people tried to participating and writing because I in for think been tne tne able BYU I Symposium 9 ef people nas tnat been swing. of so. in Eugene venicle. witn is the seino liar 1ty been or nas situation. do Symposium tnink nave, to some hnas SR itihie Church nis involved Sunstone Sunstone. sleme a' to to tnat constrained Dialogue being say WAV for far witn would Sint Church discourage the #Hierle so that nealthy somewnat tihfemisiellfvisi. e the wanit: to tne outlet feel made a and start and been they've 998 didn't great wno practically restrictive They've a react thiné it's be whnere course 1its reaction, =dont probably pendulum tnink at exipirte’s stitnigh England the I is still swing glad itiiat it the a involved I'm didn't way, take will those Well, Churcn extreme Churen S andt Church done It tne to more swing. dNIE FEind nik must like be thne their nas think people the didn't. survived, reaction position." nad Dialogue they'll swing of Gin autnorities thnen will ‘o out and in to slilcioiiine position and position i Dialogue that, the pendulumsiw Gats liberal ratner Sunstone. others for from example unfortunate outstanding in WILLIAM EGY B. SMART #4 most respects. Yes, getting dibseuss national i@ variety organizations WS: that been affiliated I've been and Pioneer Rignt Grand a national of the and tne and I'm Well, tne tneir the it's Grand Last week, from tne been There nas Grand Canyon lot of Institute, for example. good deal I'm a based of of Tnis Wasnington, thne D.C. wnole Colorado an people Arizona, outstanding deal. great a it is propier from it's tnink with and outstanding Babbitt enjoying time director. in really I a National protection of the part of it Arizona a Trust a quite was tnere and Board goal? being Canyon Page, you've the a some organization, WS: i neir of directors--Bruce is that preservation othners. wnat ‘and N o Sympnony Board conservation includes Utan member wnich and And WS: spending Udall E€: a Snowbird witn It INEv mentioned Theatre organization development Stewart not ReickEisRN many--tne I'm Trust, concerned G of I'm Canyon among with that. Board Plateau. nave Memorial now, SAURDN participate witn? like Advisory .of we involved Ehings guresiEtios lot is power of a 98 of course. about fuss Plateau, Colorado tne pollution plant. to reaction leader in tnat trying plant. to get Thne it WILLTAM B. SMART #u4 cllfeanediiup.s been a It member organization I joined. pattern EE On WS: We nave was thing organization. about only we overflignts succeeded a Tne old wnen change tne years 1is Grand Canyon. tne I've now. done restricting eeritain svalititudelvand restricting: certain corridors, preserve of the as far as matter of Tne widely varying nour period to tnat. solve issue as are just superb witnh one a of tne Pollution is tne is Dam. twenty-four of Canyon. tne We're canyon- trying problem. big next we're Canyon a nabitat tne concerned Glen a to and that is during boaters, the Not Canyon Grand tnat tne marvelous. The is observation Canyon issue from tne flights peace Canyon beaches Canyon? the througn tne releases destroying lany below tnis isn't real a well? Grand tne Grand the flignts next releases from pollution The In tne The tre water are -destroying to canyon. tne of year couple have over a in tackling WS: just new yes. beauty EC: fairly for really One of iis i a in group cigarette terms and of And 99 thnree people I've been floated times now, and tnat professional caring somebody butt. really. for dropped was ne tne a ever run Grand tne are outfitters I Canyon. tiny little chewed my out was bit by WILLIAM B. tne SMART #4 boatman. It's anytning. Even no in litter story. Thne thne Well, go in anyway anotner most magazine of I Utan Innovation EC: Just wnat is WS: It's now tne you nere know, and Wayne Dean outstanding businesses everywnere Wayne and businesses of you Brown me, guess in tnings. involved with is wnat has there's white been and tnat's The othner a water, So witn. now, anotner houseboats those Brown of a has asked number companies. I Caiinigh than known building wnicn all ne il the as over been tne 100 of companies in ne terms and been the was, University was of that maybe starting many others-- instrumental nim as a entrepreneursnip world, spreading tecnnological me, the described and Brown at tnem, nas Wayne guess entrepreneur, innovation go Institute. Engineering Somebody entrepreneursnip, invited g0 is S5 that? Utan's Appleseed I doing established establisning. Canyon down time IE== Foundation. world-class smaller RN boats edit, became new ol Rl elalvie or I'm my Glen who doRin tinat disgrace. people we're trat a rafts Y oI pECp e Canyon. is organization spend as Grand between wnho Wi2iESaE private reservoir difference people the that you tne in Jonnny because find whnere gospel of entrepreneursnip. He recruited me, spent montns WILLIAM B. SMART begging #4 me to Innovation nad spun Wayne off of Tnat nad tnis asked it4inva- little a was the from old Ted Matneson, Higner stature a Fourtn it it and Bell, Jonn and to do. I We we're Symposium on why he felt that Brown I people bring the nimself Scott like of otners--people of organization doing four in know tecnnology, that now it, Commissioner and built take separate people and and So in Wayne in really reorganized I that. leaving 101 that could and prestige. International But Bennion, I'm part true. don't expertise Kerr, tnings. the was Completely except and on That's reorganize Rolfe way, e aninto that did. brougnt Board an organization, do to tried of profit-making no everybody different interesting nad sort self-serving. and agreed Education, was Center was And builder I dropped Board, Innovation entrepreneursnip. So that perception direction. consensus fogetner. real in organization It that a in I Utan organization come because the Utan a others people. finally exactly, in to an of Centier M Mb ittt was being different I very and same me whiien' the non-profit tne thne there Center, serving ne of because tne is establisnhed. arm politicians chairman This from Brown educational problems the Foundation. been that become days some for Tecnnology very our and WILLIAM B. SMART #4 Entrepreneurship one in Salt the world hear what others to hold Now do you Some, The but see what we held were the from all were doing and It was we third second one thedsfir st people ideas. invited by one otner in places Birminghnam, in-- participants most third one tnat one came from, from Beijing, company Now, WS: Well, EE s Wnat WS: I came neld in in from nere, speakers, and you was ask Wan over tecnnology and people wnhere a tne world. Australia. tne Runnan establisned drawn all Brisbane, if them from Speakers from private At Cnina, enterprise computers. from benind the Iron thnese? about the fortncoming It's gave wnicn called a us one? standing ovation for break tnrougn into became tne Beijing remarkable wnat free 102 ne nad they wnat Stone won talk, done enterprise He Runnan. Wan about sometning say company, Cnina. far. so China, tnan to about and was who otner of are of you for tnis them example, not built of one have was IBM for tnere Curtain to hrought neld doing--exchange so tne take to are We 41t We on? So WS: here these. and Minneapolis. CiLYys successful, England, EG= Lake over nighly in the call Group. a He long company in nis in Cnina. Tnis WILLTAM B. SMART #4 SOMIRtainiy S IeNe it iriellty principles, computer EE I was producing product thought b iMsE " on ¥ free of at about 45 en tie rpriifse percent of the China. thnis stage everything was being companies doing imported. WS: No, no, there computers, but private company nad come him year after nis I Square, on EG: On dear. WS: And nad EC: You've WS: Indirectly EC= I WS: So nim very warmly the was in in But all. So Beijing bloodsned in to saw by nim. Tienan see we last Australia, entertained crusned, nis Men that ne list. and in niding was America, and-- nim? from neard I visited thnem acquainted that wanted not I after revolt escaped outstripping become was of government-owned. just dismayed the number speak. and the was is naving was a tney're and company, Tnen are have. SEE. The Governor SEaff Perpicn " He'"was Minneapolis. come He next be will one next came to up week that $150,000 tnere. 103 in to we do involving. Minneapolis. witn Birmingham 'insistent put we're that people of kind the that's some bring it, so we of nis it to could WILLTAM EC: WS: B. SMART And will and so I don't will EG: WS: you on don't #4 have held:in of those Now exactly type tnings? discuss Wnat is on We live for tnis WS: Well, a we that is have secretary. there yet, we Tney but thney next year will will nave some your just seminar for plenary sessions some any the what up for where we symposium. money money. any get, of thnis. thing? did some of those died money course, one the that public by supported We but of That's for sSort state, or indicated this state state is You putting for staff our break-out funding on tnese meeting funding? is nad want is Are matters. the education now. what Hungary countries. symposium have of we all And we tne don't and those program? group what's We EC: the Minnesota out. events, is tnen initially, sponsors or there. source of Otnerwise, programs Poland undoubtedly specialized the from The and wnole and any going. what tne tney Well, get people governor WS: from entrepreneurshnip Austria,: sessions, EC: people thnere's much thney be nave drawing now? think as We be our at from major moneys. staff? a They're director, noused park. 104 an office here in manager, the and research WILLTIAM EC B. SMART Will you take instance WS: He of going, board year. to year's E€C: How demanding WS: I E€: Seyeyeu' several is and can a will For members Rogers. the he make our He's German, with so of Bob speaks There of your quite evaluate or going? conference? so a we former sent Austrians meet will. nim for with next Austrians presentation about two otners be or three next wno participating. spend time be going meeting. there Matheson and tnere are this members be be to negotiate He'll will members but missionary Austria wno Scott be our German to board will won't One #4 just a how time bit iESSIGAl S? of time mucn, but like thnat. sometning re' retirement on I this. suppose has'not It's a "freed hard quarter you-'to to of my do“just relaxing. WS: No, I'm otner as busy as tning that we're nold twice nave become Wnat we are just venture They plans a do year a is we and Venture a of we dozen select that 105 we Tne is Capital Conference. These model for emerging and to guess. interesting new, submit I that's a moving to tnen was--busier, doing invite getting maybe ever sometning capital do, I need us tnink among are country. companies seed their from tne business most that capital tnose we or plans. business wortny of WILLIAM B. SMART making of #4 presentations. people in professions with here. these team finance or We with their eliminate that We There three plans the bugs in need to do cnhanging, and so on. come jury thnat and tnen, dry run up, and tnis trains finally to nave we conference we ofclaipiittall Besides that, the tnem apart, companies they underwent to prepared tnem to out and tnen we togetner nere excellent the And the net recent most million dollars companies, eitrner ofi. testify prepare get tnem country work. result will thnese tears are twenty-six 'al place, So the before these national bring They poinity, nears them. we need first and tnis " in 106 a around all training go have and ndii riectillys ast these We helps now, trace could this meets, and that to in to thnings get run. rips of trace can s inviestied diiiriecitillyMorai thney and all after is, companies presentations. tnese presentations companies--tne dry and from eacn them conference capitalists near result our and teams, perfect jury them work really companies presentations trnat closely a national Legal very Wnen the teams four their give selects then venture they teams companies tneir in sponsor adver®isingiior are and they tney organize form--tnree-man companies. works rewrite the Then for our ‘work. that this capitalization. the hnas We WILLTAM B. SMART tnink EC: WS: we #4 are Now you nis place? doing lost He was then, of course, a trat killed nis memory, to endow a of time in tnis University, the of fired by with the the the suppose tne institute. man He but University, board the of University. negotiations. 107 as way. spent a and thnings, of Now a thnat's we a ne will be that in has SinaSRsa know, any be the chair hold we So will will in tnings of kinds kinds institute ris down bogged selected lot arrangement an as We endowment Peterson far in Utahn entrepreneursnip. agreement an We've out So Institute. capital the do crasn tne ambitious nands-on of place of in And plane Brown be not on family. name work to a his Cnase and tne whereby university of ratner would I of Wayne witn doing, and Directors. University. able out of million be would worked at a try to market the director in the chair was Brown tenure at the $2.5 carrying result the to negotiations but finally tnat raise tnis academia, in members otners wnereby out four cnair and Wayne and a cnanged is Board as at to our died Foundation seeking deans of Wno he we looking good. Brown. member nim Innovation are real Professor Okay. We're some hired with and cooperation taken some WILLTAM EC: B. SMART AL #4 shets Yand in may nave tne Institutional WS: No, Chase EC Okay. WS: I been know agreement, the on the man On, WS: So e I'll I we Board it approved by of Regents? to, holder institute have to but not come ne signed of that has raised and ne tne chnair not the been money. meets with us On! sometning. big a off picked You nave. you say the been deal, Fletcher. Jim It's it The the agreed Sorenson tnere. it. of accomplisned we've Has needs signed goodness! my he new and it because occasion. EC: taken nas the Council director yet of going. tnat and announced But tough nasn't don't and light nere. one Greaty WS: So ne'll at tne EC: Well, WS: It's taken tne EC: review since us. withn the course of then and time, experience. interesting very a that's So tnings-- otner magazine. Yes, This my nalf-time wonderful. that's been nalf-time and University about be ne'll and year, tnis come it again. People, 1988, but your the about talk let's been hnaven't I I name got is 108 I wanted to regular reader of magazine. it out on it a thnis as morning editor. What to see gave WILLTAM B. SMART rise to it? WS: The EC Yeahstae WS: Well, magazine, the as Mormons, of became But any It WS: don't know tne was an Eastern He came out family magazine I'll editor. that. I to of sort They for make go it it a but He conceived spotlight prominent about the every on ricn Mormon tnem, and year and a and Sam nalf ago. Keitn ne tnen and and famous. financially, montns, some by, was profiles snowcase ten Battistone. It wrote nad it. Wit hs T sia Wi Sl and i s He's and nave development asked then to mentioned tell to 109 you my and me a nis and tnis So on. so to raise mergers with involved been come little daugnter He successful. to wanted ne because community. the quite banker, investment nere in person prominent corporate of kind the nere. Sam nearly name. real a started was Imisnoet W famid 151 a name was owners. closed acquired Enat not a for initial for closed stayed He's of around it about did. finally Wnisenant EC: knew couldn't Battistone who prominence, sort thney been you place tney nuh. It's the a and guess I from initially ukh tell that it it, know. can't owner it to don't I bougnt initially? rise I years., I #4 ne and bougnt be about anecdote tnat tne I was WILLIAM B. SMART i#4 considering Her being the was just response [laugnter] intend Then to I magazine, it Wnicn WS: I nave no be tackles or it sensitive but I didn't presently came to the changed. \with was a of concept, tougn from view of is that being people in making a He lives. tneir in what we' did. standpoint-- finmancial situation. disastrous bt Sunstone and so‘that a like nelping difference tnat a not and dionie magazine problems tnese positive a point problem-solving left being issues, from with been He sold nhad subscriptions. dear! multi-year was and ratner benind Wnen Keith understanding tnat Battistone some in will, never thnan tnose way so starting scratcn. It nas that's subscriptions. a been little from scratcn, we been nard to get 110 it, bought subscriptions. the with good make nas totally I it if publisning and lifetime And Keith, in Battistone WS: to that as interested difference--a On magazine magazine. embarrassing." her what grappling B to in issues, positive It's People "How interest Dialogue, agreed tne be Thnis words. explained explained would of nas. it would two continue existed. B I editor He never tougn. started to would the So from point WILLTAM B. SMART wnere we #4 feel comfortable ECh Wnat WS: Well, they them, but it's reacn the public or EC: about WS: I all EC: Wno's benind WS: eSS € s would EC:: has at, tnis tnat same is nave that? magazine itself your thnere. magazine new a thnat is think you do bit? "a v ey s sititelk we of matter I guess, will be the of in subscription? 111 death knell we're away I salary. ourselves course many nired good pretty consider except advertisers a ne's fact, at City Park to withn slick and iiin seen I've and there, moved He's don't present skivmislair S Einimg i T nig e af sidio thning--thick a As competitors, Wnat really connection real magazine city beautiful But the to smionitin.+ LEANS i dWtn a director sell the way little a know not Smia n S wn'oll think direct no magazine, a is advertising. Holiday. is building magazine. part-time. art up? thnat? a beautiful our come gradually througnh tnere may city He It's least There People This or nigh-quality it. are Holiday of wadl198 bielSpulbitiishe Florida. We except that may you lost. they moutn. know don't Have difficult. boosted nhas Wnat were decline the Witn this subscriptions? of word financially. of Utan really trying to nappen to cases. Do you WILLIAM B. WS: We've RIEGS Wow, WS: We SMART got about 13,000 that's pretty publish and newsstand EC: #4 Bolewel subscriptions. good. distribute sales iss paid and the aneither about promotion al'slick B105 /0@ SN oanitiEY, copies we magazine send out. about Utan business. WS: Utan Business? B Yean. WS: To that some See EC: Is competition extent, the same Wno's but for not very advertisers back of that? you? mucn. You don't really there. Do you nappen to know the Later--L-a-t-e-r. Shne publisner? WS: Yes. It's just built tnings, a it and on under ner Well, I skin Linda ner own. became started businesses. was named sne those with I and sent a She's a done a number consultant producing guess tnat resulted in the sample, and I a kind to of some newsletter for of got grew and magazine. was quite impressed it. about It is me to EC: Is tnat WS: Recently: WS: up but businesses, EGis woman come a year old and edit it. Interestingly now. sne asked rignt? interested. yes,s She and said, I .told her "Please & I come didn't and see think wnat I was we're WILLIAM B. SMART doing, fine #u4 and set just up, desk-top talk," pnysically. publishing aRERISt alff s and interesting Let's to talk involved Utan a I Trails very a "t did. It fully their think a very computerized, own it's was little plant, rierafSyANciiniR o 1 T will, but--it's about. bit about looked at little impressed I Yand don little witn. of on’, thnink so It's out ge ai e pp alfin el SWS oS EC: and the more witn it. tne books one you've carefully Wnat you've written this otner been on morning-- books hnave you done? WS: did but I ago in It cover. red EC: Hum, WS: 2= is It copies. Spiilatiure traveling see Kind Nanldesiel's a Cninese Ghat Whe man--he of printed We for promofiion a and publication a of' years and it, for good Some there successful. 10,000 out. sold pretty a tnat's compliments. e now sort as just charged We newspaper. tne it a in publisned was remarkably ratner became publisned really it because Book" "Red little, my it call I Notebook. Cnina called book years ten stories China my book, a as qualifies quite of collection a small a it that know don't I Well, nice a ago, on nad 115 the I friend of no train. idea who a" 'got: book. mine He in*China. ook was number. had lotiof sent me been He nappened to he was, but ne WILLIAM B. was SMART #4 sitting took the picture there E@s Now, WS: A picture to me. Well, anyway a (little booklet this book. tne Utan Geograpnic fellow by remarkable a tne the name man. University on book, man's tnen people. my Chinese Guiden ! gust and reading of I Utan Anyway, mucn more hope did a modest Yellowstone . on the tne public like tnis witn series scale. He trail, behind up it? wno's was thne Trail pioneer who's He of book--and end a nere rather at the relations in the Montana founder of Institute. WS: An environmentalist--remarkable to Utan. yes. friend He's Jof togetner. a Sled start books now, Well, one anyway, tne distinction tne things but of Anyway, Utan came in Utan. fifth graduate, on kind determined He's close that publisned in the the of trails nard 114 to ‘as makie® on tne Now NIsTEIE]e first distinguisn he five series. me, impressed adppearance. the came clfimbmountains volume that wass et ihie ylid el and ne only not that!'s D nicit 0lg r aipihtiie s repiroditictiijonis TN e sl te e e llten was tne Swmitiing s ne series mine of It's University guy. WWiflisomo\ Theiyawsici Il So, would book. copy he'll yes, Bie aii ta a Reese, On fine sent tnat EE= ECi: Notebook. Rick working ne and Series, of Cnina map them arie g riefaitieir in one the from WILLTAM B. SMART #4 anotner. WS: Tne EG Yean. WS: Tne maps are But a on disappointment the University other of things were all tnat ne maps whole, Utan for were E€: Tne publisned, WS: Yes, it EC: Have tne WS: Pretty good, EC: Good. Tnis was have EC: On yes. WS: I didn't EE:> Ne' WS: Wnen these. it some So turned witn nappen the to and we out commitments. students soft, done The under his result. know? 3,000 nard. good? those tnink of the at one Society and book, more are who struggles time. I recently a publisned editorials. News Cnurcn my of I Wnen Historical tnat to thnat. didn't. as retired I by part-time to do tnen encouraging be nistory. mention tyou asked you pretty snould collection nis pleased do nad yes. tne I So, very been on at but book. who to other to 10,000--7,000 publisning WS: wasn't sales nad tnat, over I attractive going couldn't--nad direction. we was about turned number very me. cartograpner him excited just a to spend in as a consulting much time as 155 general felt to I wanted to was remain I consulting. capacity I I manager, editor, senior as Mortimer, Jim and editor do was and WILLIAM B. SMART #4 Part of could. The whirst" of Pakistan, Zia ne Tnis B. is side Smart, WS: So, EC: You WS: Yes, and and a we poem Slemieltintinig up your of nis Riissifaniswais Eheugnt: plains. my wife of when met to Roll me in also about witn William some of Pass. I've over was up nis always the your women Siilkie s s g G edE Kipling war looking about Katnmandu 116 "wiar out goes @ 1 ifeltoin out to out cut your siollidiiteinit wrote out against tne T terriblyteruedi, over those and ne thought wnicn blow and rifle I you come Afghanistan's oif country here, wiounded wnat--Rudyard wrote tne Afghanistan, ne Lyloiir e Cio: was I and and Sand iR hakjiiv interview us over and i tihiatiskii nd Anyway, Gandni k1lilted! Khyber MWin ent plains, "that, India TAPE] the.pass wrote experience. year. nun? out That to a and-- Sulsitkie ) = [laugnter] tne from VANd S oo Biidakitnise up Kipling, remains, OF second Looking Afgnanistan's once retirement. there, ne been telling his looked over. went Rhajiv ONE our went Rudyard abroad problems. he's we go I has SIDE of since to looked of two anyway wanted nis OF and activities travel trips since nas [END EG: to interviewed Zia. like was those and President looks that we Afgnanistan's experiences. went trekking Then in B. SMART #4 the Himalayas. EC On, wonderful. WS: To EE: For a to take WS: tne Annapurna man who's thnat? Well, I've taken tentnh anniversary EC: Is WS: Tne and tnat rignt? thougnt got know WS: We I shape now we and the Oh, that's ougnt got ran on to Tibet and nad My me. to I ran On my the first News Maratnon. I establisned. my own marathon. party. Anyway, I So I I don't experiences your of some of say published came was in to remain The next asked News. experience tnere. to write about the Ding Psiao Ping witn first the a couple Beijing irrelevant M7 time o Square anymore. a senior year, after as over Took of So tnere. Mineni of nad we wnom most wife my years ten artilclies . and into and Cnina, to back went I was plan acquainted and to that. able that. wnicn come was great a government slaugnter nad Deseret Deseret the at Pakistan, did, tne about I right, and become than you're tnis. talking India tne after tnat and writing. editor with more to wonderful. surgery, Maratnon, and just were is was things heart four This tnat in my it surgery tougher of News and by-pass on ran Deseret camp nad on maratnon, EC: base = WILLIAM e tne what I WILLIAM BE B. SMART How can #4 you rignts account wnen you economically, see the Well, of some thnat still feel and tnis among tne we for they political China gone they last time, young numan nad change for a and tnhe made and I this. You I tnink now sometning well, saw this it that the no Wan really was on more 118 tne of would it to come too far. intractable Thne tnem. with over- them, witn it thnink list than is intended. news(?)) deep-seated tnem kind way an wanted of crowd of that I unrest anotner. being went deal were nis intended into business (the of tnat result. the seen Runnan to able we one being never students minority critical was dealing of being one was themselves way we've and reacted, tnink and felt, and Ping dreamed nave I deal very were there that who while great still people the intellectualism of put not government, a in But Chome Deng would they know, I They never position--no Wnen people. were But mucn power. found reported tnis. to come very we de-empnasis but far. reasons--inflation of and there cabinet, too to of that the were return administration unrest, nad not number knew in tne knew all thinkers that would there to disregard advancement apparent course, Maoist thougnt We the this reversal? tnis WS: for I thougnt I'd even WILLIAM B. SMART dreamed. #u4 Tnhey are really going Since then I've witn that demonstration, feeding them, wanted is, going to they've taken did and sweep take his editor. s WS: But and written was the actively fact that the companies is now they are enterprise case. as he that free that's involved demonstrators, indication the tnemselves. far Tney as I I was tnat naven't know. They company. that' editorials, So an nope ne destroy encouraging all otner over Anlyways, EC: not I any tnat on. away gained. Senior so maybe over I've learned to was I I part. also agreed enjoyed about off nalf to tnat. of what write The doing Church last as News three years them. e Cnatlnagh I'm no longer onistE Eellifa in'iip” at connection a pubiliitshiing done, they've nad nas book Books' BEk Well, WS: It of good the I hiave” no for In response. selection a Happier fact, it for I Anyway, Life. was in whien essays, thnose of Messages montn my interested be would collection called ended News. Deseret they if now editiorstand the witn 2all I've It Deseret August. good. sold essays very a that. slenion 'ash Book Deseret asked doing very were well, mostly and based 119 I'm on my pleased with experiences that. and The trying WILLTAM B. to SMART take and #4 a fresh scriptures. editorials EE€? I and doubt in It's the that different rather Church there excommunication. WS: George Lee? EEGH He was and brought I suppose Indians was Qn;W mEsurer, ECS Do WS: I during the Spencer it this tne about the or tne office? ‘thine of any, "knlow Tribune nave he would in community. the in this. still the in regime interest for Kimball to Kimball continued nave notice interview than editorial rie qilttyadiomitits an doctrines past. Kimball's Spencer I circumstances. gave the responsible I some well. would ntowi. " aon't he in witn trouble nad all in Church President he tnink you at partly WS: a at different News was recent Not look morning, this read you Did that? EC* Yes, WS: I yes. read weekend, that Tribune nim nim got a man kinds of for I to Chnurcn for apostasy, volunteer excommunicated. To to say, as to answer 120 1s whicn tne to a because why he the told excommunicate that, failing and adultery, and questions tried nad tne for away ne tnat astonished was tne polygamy for then but was I because morning tning strange it raises all really was question, it if tnese WILLIAM B. SMART things were mattered EC I don't He was but on, wny Spencer then--it Kimball wouldn't was nere or have not. But know. interviewed Bruce Was going whether contact WS: #4 Lindsay him, ne on on but as botn ne Cnannel Channel couldn't vitriolic 5 and said be as 2 Chnannel 4, tried to they reacned. the newspaper account indicates? EC: Not WS: In EG: No, all. at tne Tribune in fact difficult WS: Strange. EC You're thougnt, vitriolic. they man on were not at editorial on all. at an write to tnis witn. one tnat get T.V. on sympatnize nave don't you glad very could understand don't I seems expressed to me for he how views nis wnen neresy, all I interview that? WS: I'm else EE: Bill, talk will are become man there You Barney associated really with? figures outstanding some acquainted tnat that with deal one. No you want one either. about? companion, to nave don't I glad witn as an influenced Wayne tnose? 121 there Are Standing. Brown must have you've people newspaper experienced your and friend close your mentioned to life been and one you of WILLTAM WS: B. SMART #4 Wayne Brown was Gordon IR a Yes., time? Chase isca Chase object a to. baby, I one Tnis baby, nave my me come and Esaiid e emoeitionaliliy s And nhe of kind an since--tennis than often more way association ever friends guy. successful very a and and you a child, say he a little nhe would Edward, deaf. blessing. and a to called Cnase late;, So saying near to just born myself able weeks a was was him found be a partners. So, student at Harvard, know, we nave you opponents partners--tennis 1is great a tnat close been We've back. Chase student become to on gone Hignh, East of president body to give Peterson think had loved. BHIEl L EnibiisiicndilidiNc anis nean nas and near, did and Some life. tell discovered would boy dearly Chase don't ne inspiration. I with day they counselors, the man I"11 I called normal a live tnat ne tnat blessing friend. Bisnop, to with I a friends was and did been great. Wnen wanted another, Peterson distraugnt. He influence--great was you've long about great Hinckley Apparently for WS: B. a tennis player. EC: great WS: outside People I figures tnat you know that I don't nave community--wno the nad a lasting have could impact. 122 associated are of thne tnem wno some witn? identify any of met and talked I've with WILLIAM B. SMART all the man I presidents nad invited group a respect WS: I for remember of La or whnere., It it nim. I spoke if ne don't somewnere. Now nis nis him. I I guy wno naivete, didn't. nave but great else? about whether tnat tne editor was in Peru Latin in everywhere is a witn great warfily Prensa He with witn a know--who for. a inauguration hours of was House House hnere's ratner La Wnhite because be respect after of feeling would Peru. in was couple On, you Prensa a the Carter White group at it and the day make tragedy to first that to Jimmy affection the and from Reagan. back the members going wnat come spent away isn't to till deal editors, We came up great me Cabinet EC: a of day. #4 America. EC: But-- WS: But didn't I Roscoe editor of a good friend and was there And think. I a Tremaine, -Frank were Christian Science tne tne influence good otner newspaper editor senior nim. with relationsnip close real Drumman, Monitor, life, a nave at UPI. in my peopleJack Anderson. EC:: Wnen WS: Harry I Stanford reviewed-- of Press was a tne close buitiessaic it is Rrie sis ™ in American friend 28 and a strong influence. I WILLTAM B. SMART spent a #4 quarter professional REES Is WS: It's EG I that there as a fellow--Stanford fellow. similar the down West to the coast asked you this prepared for it. Neiman version thne Program of the other Wnat do Harvard? Neiman day, you at or wisn fellowsrip. told to you be to be remembered for? WS: I naven't I'm sorry like I given to I tne naven't be think I any more been remembered was Desert a to prepared as good News thougnt being for a newspaper to a that. it. good man. newspaper [laughter] I guess I'd newspaper I tnink that man. I built gained real respect. EC: May interject just I newspaper. the Deseret reason I say in about tnat is Manager, General pocket not News the wnole it 124 I before wnen took I recognized as far [ But me. to state subscribes Tribune. because I He Tribune. the the gratifying way that felt to newspaper a is News Deseret tne thinks Sterling that in interested be may you and close very I'm hnere. it see to thne of reader regular a been McMurrin, that's Welle and used superior far WS: I Sterling knowing to not News. Deseret to I've morning a like I nere. sometning as wonderiifiNne it over. did become that tne tne The Editor weakest ggggggg_flgflg WILLIAM B. was SMART #4 concerned respect on -and the nim by if the to mucn trying I to tnink We E€: alpaper siEays tnalf WS: No, nad tnings EC: You WS: Well, to is the person wno asked nere at just went but thne about of winning state and ‘anid " £air be to like News Deseret tne swi Tihope St At it we newspaper. the would built I what result I Gardner- to superior guess Do you made mistakes, but my ended I do, and care going career certainly would done, I'm I t tiin hiaindi=i ndg I no Vieryl S Sipleici et througnout held wouldn't if a positions be to so nad too. effect News or tnat tnings tnat, said Dave as anything respect question. tnat tnings ideas we Wit Sor S noiks il it problems. taken I and Iidonith knowisb wayss related No. with positive of mean, influence fofisrealifiqual it yis its has patns won I met an Deseret tne as inEol One out newspaper. remembered I hnhave Sterling responsible sure real eilblotiinigiival o alpiea a the nere. So been didn't make campus. thoughts came what respect ne's any He tnis campus. have university. Notning U. had do on way, he could was nonest I'd to to do specify restrict 125 or--? not the at mistakes. The Desert News are fatal do things them over regrets some nave again, do, to things tnat courageous again. thnose? this, I guess I could. WILLTAM B. The SMART thing caused #4 that me don't problems. consider of-the-road. far to close if the to wnen a the Power and could see going on. was the newspaper went basically thing, I thnink, who are that of tre News. several years. up me. witn So However, nim. witn business, were some questionable the tnings we others, were thnem, encouraged We things. that did to build 126 more a made thnan good good worked some any News team was Ettan Van Dale we tnings Deseret tne Pinpoint the call Tnere at did I Utan wnen tnere I and News, Deseret tne for First the of member tne think, I was, Tanner Questar I too Deseret for caught was years this after and the remain reporters. we many president at President was what and people for I middleI into of men. the standards knew finally mucn of that before, got Lignt members. key but remain relationsnip investigative mentioned became did things problem. He organize I long tning: One three enmity Benson the that I the Benson. I or people's responsible Presidency good liberal, suspicions partly a a fact, supporter. nad as won not of second A One, some I would old was tnat by President matter But my But left. I well--two myself President Cnurcn, As really, one of of men--good thnem, witn differences, otner reputation single at tne WILLIAM B. SMART Deseret #4 News witn things we went Decker by that reporter and became wnen a I E€3 GnNEs WS: I to as ne a nim of nim was, involved as I made He nim was and now made green a nonest nim ne television. it was be done, a dangerous it should be 2 So I I and no knew took now him worked and I me on witn really could be. But I A oM offil e cloliiS knew in board a it. Light, and I do and 1t didn't S0 we did done. Decker published was Tanner Jack involved we and Rt O tnink, I deeply got Rod see the Rod soon. days could over take to journalist, to tning to Decker--both President and But men investigation, Power came Rod anyway, But thnem. Utan but student, and best tne Questar about of ne Atta these of one man. two going is He member tne tney He become Utan member and working--nad was. staff Van as empire on exposes seminary of newspaper Dale D.C. went tne Rod investigative years. &l aile D Olre n shiaile S et to the seminary. possibility as as Anderson of columnist my many than--well, Wasnington, One business. an a grade many, all were £ mlertr with Questar seventn for witn them respect. tnis one. the at narder and rignt? project, worked was good about experience smart time teacning known see was columnist. e natl nad after darn was stature it, I knew have to and it WILLTAM B. SMART wasn't over EG 2 #4 long as after publisher. courts since Since you brought up ne left a offer? Was Did cartoons? Oh Sure, cartoon, you you can in but tnat and and management took and left. It certainly Ogden Standard gy T "den't. financial of EC: lot being I'm sure did not the nelp to never a It witn other hnhand," I nim. worked under a step financially new lot ne to witn wnen a and is way Trat's But offer a featners, featners. better not the ruffle restrictions wasn't you--tne the was the to trouble me. nad was the Grondanl ne What that ruffle tne Calvin because problems defended more and about out? You sent Fhgnt: Just botnered and maybe more finally go to the upward. they made it kind of him. think ne offer fired Jjob, Examiner. for attractive WS: a thougnht I Oh, "on was again, what forced pose over, it were there he nim pressure we editorials. tnat supported do Asnton Decker, know written it, Rod say was--tnis of nim can't would down you Wendall tnat thnis political sure. I proved Has part EC: But Grondanl. better that then situation? WS: that or 1 .so. but nad, quitting of collection nis cause any 128 ne nad several nis down what know /don't been the in book verge times. cartoons at on tne Deseret form News. WILLTAM WS: B. No, SMART no, #4 particularly wnat nad Well, Bill, unless we terminate been publisned by Sunstone. EGa Yes, by Sunstone. information, WS: Yes, I snall think so there weSeauitddiitsciisiSEN are DR lots Cinlils you nave further thnis? of Wmialy other things sbiet¥a g0 odt thnat, tlime to stop. EEs Let me and you say will additions--I we'll say, restrictions WS: L elem e may E€: be how we have nope offer on JLiRE « BE some appreciate a not you your chance many tne to giving review deletions, opportunity your time, this, make because to place as we some this. PeSEIRLEE kv problems. Nes: [END OF 129 TAPE] but.you can see tnere I PH WILLIAM B. SMART NAME: HOME ADDRESS: HOME PHONE: BUSINESS TITLE: BUSINESS ADDRESS: BUSINESS PHONE: DATE OF BIRTH: PLACE OF BIRTH: WIFE’S NAME: DATE MARRIED: CHILDREN: William Buckwalter Smart (Soc. Sec. No. 530-03-3838) 55 Laurel Street, Salt Lake City, Utah 363-4759 Editor, Thi R le Magazine Beneficial Life Tower, Suite 1200, 36 S 538-2262 : outh State Street, Salt Lake City, Utah June 27, 1922 Provo, Utah Donna Toland Smart BORN: July 15, 1945 at Freedom, Idaho Afton, Wyoming William Toland, Melinda, Kristen, Thomas Toland and Alfred Laurence EDUCATION: B.A. Reed College, Oregon: History and Political Science. 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