Cloyde Anderton, Salt Lake City, Utah: an interview by Tim Larson

Transcript (83 pages) of interview by Tim Larson with Cloyde W. Anderton, Chief Engineer at KSL-TV, on July 16, 1986. This interview is no. 149 in the Everett L. Cooley Oral History Project, and tape nos. 510 and 511

Anderton (b. 1920) discusses his work as an engineer at KALL radio, 1940s-1950s; his work at KSL as chief engineer, 1950s-1980s; the Farnsworth Peak transmitter; and the danger of radiation from the equipment. Interviewer: Tim Larson

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Hazards. FCC < « . . Requirements. « s o s alot o @« THIS IS AN INTERVIEW WITH CLOYDE W. ANDERTON WHO IS FARNSWORTH PEAK MANAGER AND CHIEF ENGINEER AT KSL. LARSON IS THE INTERVIEWER. TODAY IS JULY 16, 1986. THIS IS FOR THE EVERETT COOLEY ORAL HISTORY PROJECT. bl &3 9 Mr. Anderton, interested ended in up progressed How As much much Well, became and engineer, to your broadcast position do you want as you have. know was raised years all maybe a don't ten with as if old. sorts Eventually, I in of you you got eventually and how you now? [laughter] but I I about while things I all the in Utah, and 1930 when I built to interested have do. County radio a how take? do, For how right Sevier fun became of to you in interested about start and time I we engineering, time time--I CA: could THE TIM AND crystal keep in me I was sets occupied. amateur radio--ham operator. This would have This is in went to war. the Institute electronics because make money, so there found and Then I times, I out a was a I and a grease forties? 1left Richfield attended part radio hour or Pasadena didn't that an buck in worked But cents I thirties Technology seventy-five could the between Aircraft. I in thirties. In of Lockheed been do California and time any half. monkey, an radio engine I was a studied usually technicians and and only work paid mechanic hurting very for for well-paid CLOYDE W. ANDERTON one. But #1 anyway, broadcasting Idaho. I little over work was went for a a station at station, Salt Lake in year. Then City we We the that this have and I came was City. We Salt just was on the a for City the to new KLO, an station for the summer I a a for in air, them Lake new in Falls, building KALL in job Twin worked building that in worked to that first KTFI became station of I were and my station which Network war, 1944, Lake but Mountain Would radio there Salt Ogden September the broadcaster in got after Interof believe, '45. in year. been with Abe Glassman or George son-in-law George Hatch? CA: Yes, Abe Hatch Glassman was my engineering head years came on that remember our I and of Are they Earl his has wife from Booth, KLO D'orr right at the musical director was dead still down But Cozzens project been he's worked the in and we of still come His some his is Ogden. and was ago. course in boss, several in was wife Elaine was with who him. Our passed away old-timers that beginning Earl were-- Donaldson, quite-- town? for many around. and been help dead 2 years; But we us, for as far had and as some they many, I know, engineers were many Wayne years. CLOYDE W. ANDERTON Another hired TL: one was Alvin and Nephi the old #1 Henry Keyes. and Eleanor Pack Sorensen KDYL and radio Nephi--what was And, oh, Lynch William let's and see. Tom Strasters We Anderson away from station. his last name? Sorensen. PE> Sorensen. CA: He and is dead. Ken These engineer. the of TL: Vance. CA: Vance. is all Miller from from talent was And war an we hired away Vera Miller, some and now. accountant of went the to and old work Bollinger KLO for people KALL. Rex was an returned Vance was them. V-A-N-C-E. And B-E-A-D-D-L-E-S. this KSL Bollinger. were Vera one And Robert He's Beaddles. dead. (Rex I Vance think that died since interview.) How about Ken Bollinger And Vera She's Bollinger? owns TV Specialists. He's still around. should mention Miller? been dead that we had a very fine person name her for for lady and many years. engineer a very posterity. 3 Her at fine name And that I time engineer, was Ruth who and was I will Erickson. a CLOYDE W. ANDERTON She was single, dedicated At KALL She And I and she was a very conscientious, employee. radio? worked later #1 Was for Ruth Erickson at KALL? Inter-Mountain--the KLO at that time, KALL. is she don't still know around? where she is. I haven't heard of her for years. TL: It's the first woman engineer that's ever been mentioned. Yea, she was The first Anyway, talent have the one. ones real then you a of picked hired refresh weren't to lot couldn't we "Jazbo" friendly And talent, touch all memory, he him. if It was there at George say and he was a got on an so, the Jazbo good trip, he of Hatch pretty ego of I'd some may But in. but I [laugh] sorts brought necessarily Collins. town. until my and up is and a very guy. heard talent. who Al that Hatch and him had guy, Yeah. was brought talented CA: back early I've George go beginning TL,2 after that Collins [laughter] soon to that there. other people mention him as being a great CLOYDE TE W. ANDERTON But he No, started George Orleans, But he that was guy. And At KALL. From about Exreom #4548 George Frank Wherever to search my memory. pretty the for toy he for else was New a he went, pretty nice [laughter] about of and ten or eleven then to '55? U550 STasthink was bought to also the Channel Two years or was in I the studio years. the do eleven engineering. transmitter for '44 KALL supervisor the or well. worked last gjobs inventory Indidl on the for sale from-- Carman? Frank Carman. George Hatch Robert H. he first. have Hatch whereby KALL? Florida South. He engineering KALL. at KALL the KALL. I of in of left Anyway, charge down out he done was him after I I to KALL? hired here came You've At the Hatch started he back at somewhere Yea, so. #1 in was Now, and Hinkley Washington part necessary to originally his wife--she who was D.C. owner. reshift But the 5 the Hinkley it KALL was was a Glassman, aviation was wasn't an fellow by and (FAA) investor, but until it was that's the long ownership, owned and CLOYDE W. ANDERTON time that Hinkley the was was, but very first had a it One was of all around the project? I the FotNof fun. Did take yes. of the I took I when we had to did work think my that that truck that as the '46, because we the Tribune in that was Tribune I designed as often as with it. When truck. else. And least radio a when early Commission was and built that went and KALL it. That was a state? someone for--at the the went send sound that. turn I in in, telegram. around office, out, P.R. it as involved That on remember least Centennial Lake engineer at that bought don't that state. Salt I probably work the the Joint Oh '47, was to and And Tribune effect of P.R. radio you in project donated TLake out. part and was Salt sold lot '47. #1 could I That it got for the station I got a sneak couldn't was lot a of fun much sneak thing beautiful Tribune. to out I good don't out of papers in AR So that about Oh and would have been prevalent in the '477? yes. if Yes, you there look lTottof " pilctures!i was into and a the a lot' 6 lot of Tribune of publicity in '47, publicity. on there They that, was had a it CLOYDE W. ANDERTON all over auto #1 the races state. there, shows and the going twenty-four continued remember KALL, and beauty covered they covered contests hours a the day summer that. Another old-timer, the long It was and was 1947. not was the livestock parades. after old-timers Flats, the all years of all the several one Salt and for but Emerson They But I original a fellow at named Smith. An announcer? He was an announcer. Bruggemon. Flo beginning, And at a Wineriter but he was later date wasn't there by we there the had Vern at the mid-fifties or recently--is he earlier. B See, I still want interview just on this. retired. Hatch He Another brought to that town was brought forward-looking I've been Yeah. "He sees"--as greatest without the being of He just him the a You good recollection old-timers Owen. in. And know, it Mr. that was they George Hatch is a person. I that. view vision tube have Gordon sensing tunnel down should one Yeah. look him. here? He very to I ever forever distracted 7 Mr. and on the Hatch, he's got the experienced. He can see what's way. But down he there brought CLOYDE W. ANDERTON #1 Gordon Owen in, talent that was--what player. This Wayne was Right. a son, done of I Wayne Cody, Used to do He was that had "Red Nickels far used to live know I'm I've a in KIRO musical done live? piano much is dead, a but at he KIRO has up little tadpole musical shows and Earl Donaldson the and genius. been and then is as I do that his Five band. Earl know, from week was in when with is. quite big of him when to her, is so still of they in a the both town? that used Utah about ten announcers, before, for were were the getting music with of that on play sing they big they thing exciting, in 8 to Another stage was used used Elaine took bit Pennies" musical was every Earl married the process knew Elaine she which Pack He written. dead, talked a Seattle. of Earl the a works just in groups. Alvin Cody, Cody that was musical show night Jr. shows, nationally-known As name? pretty Wayne 1lot ever Although in his where He at a that. the brought happened. type from was live. Jr. and also believe. Cody, question group, I believe. this he things Wayne Seattle, all Cody, when All and they to do Theater a one and I area. an but interview it has not with been him. as CLOYDE W. ANDERTON successful CA: Alvin the prior at chief yet. came that. the the old late Now one KSL radio in at fifty kilowatts. Now the was the and the the had of twenties engineer from Alvin back chief is KALL but engineer mean to owner, to over TS as Pack was #1 KDYL. Sid Fox worked some for KSL "bigwigs" Eugene early I engineering Pack. twenties time he's old and He Alvin's that the thirties. thirties. think was He was KSL brother, the went but I to Eugene dead. Does he have a son Eugene C., Jr. kthat's If over at KUER? CA: That's his picture "kid". apart son. of the And I except They look just alike. "old man", just get don't think that you for wrinkles. Two peas a you want picture could in a of a the tell them pod, sort of: TL: I'll have to CA: Now, when you mention some No, Ralph. not Ralph or Tl the talk talk of Stephenson early Rollo Kimball. Rollo Kifiball to Eugene, to the was the KSL people, old-timers at thirties, was Jr. KSL and mentioned 9 like back did Ralph sometime they this certainly morning any of them Stephenson? around 1930 mentioned by Scott CLOYDE W. ANDERTON #1 Clawson. Yeah. Well, Rollo was there back in the early thirties. And what was his Well, he was in here, but I don't particular And he's dead. Yes, but not Richard he was Or but he's and his job title some fine would that he was was at any have worked job, and manager, know. And he is. Evans? what of he KSL was interviewed peach still and I or did. radio, a He's problems, being been and for the was here he opening, plant. exactly still health of Richard and of a around, don't know not. He's a went away to 1942 or '43. But came looking for They didn't gentleman. thirties a he C. Engineer Manager. say, capable he you time know Chief General had know the the mention I'd was should I an what they that Evans I he's Yeah, did so also guy. This know all time. And C. fine, engineering dead? He's if position? was but And but And he he he in the early forties. government in '41 took didn't never 10 He about because Station treated I've thirties? I Manager. the time have me to to just give do that, like forgotten me I that. was a he war have tour was of the somebody, CLOYDE W. ANDERTON Maybe PP he turned CA: I the about CA: Flats or Rollo or in a later time. You exit before West. down to Eurn nerth, building out the of out it appreciated KSL plant opened it there gave and me a of that? back on of the it the Is and the exit the there's there by you of big to I It's and the get know if find that last probably take the Now, that salt plant white the Towers. that's open 15t to think--(it's used Taj Mahal The road now or 7200 frontage recently. don't use. building. tried and next. freeway. a often Plant, there front new in to. when Salt it's I've a still TsSthis"Saltair? I out knocked tour It's building able I-80, in and there there? been to right water old they standing. up parallels over out Morton have that really the after Kimball process West), You I of went still never go road Yeah. As it? address Okay. under is I've 5600 But tour left isn't the the but not for too. building What's a Just anything one, The you right '37. and there it, CA: Salt there They're e through door same in [laughter] went 1936 plant Is know. I the something out. that. Tlae saw don't on #1 not. and to go then looking has been CLOYDE W. ANDERTON By Faden'it CA: If it #1 .think isn't, north, a They're then a mile out I'd like The big to mile east west, and construction there all get glass But talk is. doing people down. it of there, then turn out some pictures. spiral stairway that's retired. He But he was and I Out at AM. KSL-AM. an out chief engineer know a south there, in for in Val how front Another old-timer lives don't go mile again. so there has been are day. anyway--fantastic. to you person is Morris Verda area out long there prior you might Jones. He's in Bountiful. during to torn the war, that. the-- This would Yeah, in still hale around. there; have the not with the original see, out too FCC in in I a pretty pretty was ago. back was Washington should focused. 12 the another Young D.C. He things running one names of the Gates. He and worked over He's o0ld technical, installation think guy. shape, to Franklin He nice good mentioned--oh, there long forties? getting fifty-kilowatt [Interruption] thoughts I the He's hardy, anyway, let's died in forties. and But old-timers been out and later on the there. get my CLOYDE TL: W. ANDERTON That's if okay. I something were come these what do KALL maintenance, and of transmitter charge TL: of had both the sound and the what of fun and unfun So you had a that and job a We radio. at You me about KALL, and supervisor of of installations, things. got And equipment. me into game I that operations things. and call. told department the ball a KALL your type my maintenance truck, then care equipment And you was took repairgd jobs. at me that Hatch? I in and give you was George people number could and radio i my left then for engineering. number you radio, and you at leave up, KALL people, Well, even about--we to did can comes talking had CA: #1 at the remotes, I ran was the had a the also in studio. area and I of doing all sorts [laugh] production capacity also. Yes. Was there still time--and CA: Ui CA: Oh yes. a between KALL and KLO at that IMN? They time that This would KLO, ' right? were I was still all tied together all the there. have been my the best of during this period To tie after Abe recollection, of time. 13 But Glassman Abe was was of at KLO along the still somewhere out CLOYDE W. ANDERTON line, Abe took in Glassman's over his #1 the wife running were States' state He's of strictly transition recall--but other for back in of for he in City. And years, and has been Washington several Washington, Cecil George Lake Heftel, Hawaii and number representative of KLO, Salt a Cecil son-in-law years and he's Hatch and that was I the he pretty don't United D.C. and a Heftel for the still is. nice guy. HoE=F-T-FE=[ I believe that's He's a Yes. Glassman son-in-law George S Tilise the to had Hatch, way spelled. Glassman? two the it's daughters; other married you're probably. working there for So on ten you were and them married Heftel. valiso. production years, of Cecil Shave ' toldinterview * him' Washington one #I¢'m at .going « toe KALL radio, remotes, and somehow you the industry and you're moved from there. Well, after change, and exciting We were about years, television curiosity, radio; and Jack were interested which and we Hatch interest ten had come of course, weren't Gallivan, was in 14 line. we were television. representing purchasing Channel on Two, Frank and began it It was not in But the an it. George Tribune, Carman's was to called-- TV CLOYDE L ) CA: W. ANDERTON KUTA was the station. was KUTA and KUTV, and I got involved with doing inventory interested in naturally George that it would in better that change. holidays in Because stayed Yes. Yeah. secure, a as I you had Farnsworth running out Peak. I And thirty-one plant years on. I And to and took during had And for And the out he Denver. it. I that found applied I me I at but had a I I job made Christmas up ago. 15 a good you new. there And he up or And it there, the obviously was there's I sent in I radio pass and out and hey, it's couldn't since. could job, but, and KSL, Now, you-- future, started ever TV? something just there--either the I really old-timer, move into there, It's hired an Denver, So KALL, bright so going in and get And know. got recall. at a I But to it inventory, KUTA. over done to radio and Clayton up I Certainly. challenge, Vince got wanted in to me was technology pictures, been 1955, and new and was was [laughter] This you have over And what I representative, hardware sale. since wanted idea. Five some station he George's seeing me a as that that put that Channel on and bought mind a at TV assumed he'd had CA: radio It property TE: #1 with need by. me So fip and a to I've office that was CLOYDE TS TLia W. ANDERTON #1 Tell me that You have a the That's the Oh up up they the because they one to in flooded first that. time men go to work. the storm, a old very and and the It's started I flew my helicopter to work. in by and and of line at we the 16 went that got a building my and I for a We found helicopter, up to was down. the a it We and ninety- and left, time a work, helicopters, there had to heels touch-and-go and work place, getting power to came time gasoline, end practical. difficult started, one off. bell the for weeks cooled there, worked two type in we have started was not work taking we I'm they fishbowl got as I there? there. way first and when I and It soon So then feet. we And snowstorm and up very I the from The in, problems. huge remember [laughter] two days, generator burned proceeded January. a was snow, it access in As did is hundred snow. how done of scary, you the have .get had do that's was this working. us. so reasons there and there And you couldn't, up behind then shift lull there clock, first a went the of couple and forget around And it remember to there week place. I likely of you place. there, yeah, because picture That's time CA: about kind of lot of started got the generator gasoline leak with gasoline. raw and CLOYDE W. ANDERTON And I want to about three sleep or being new working and to days, had have just never acted as there, All I to or and fellow crew for eat around, the can there time ran and up I I was chief before, is managed say we just the two of you? us. up there right. I turned I no then for the first probably that time other have than gone pretty left on the You whole and I'll a great I on had my been [laughter] and just for have Earl and still do. He is original crew, and he and Everyone else week-on, up there, and two-weeks-off i, fairly then to a I I the mention is with the Earl would anybody wouldn't hit only are it off person the only "modern". how shift? no there I probably we were up And there I'd had name crew. But is sent His up I week--just guy. Richardson, back. the old-timers. Okay. Earl well, a with was place. for still if the I he's He's seen time. and working because say never lead 1loose was name had Richardson. on We circus week? fellow TL: didn't help, problem. instructions, his a much a of went That's and we had it. two you we else. had were the full and wasn't he many And you, anything survive Just tell with so How #1 long did you go CLOYDE CA: W. ANDERTON Well, #1 basically, involved in extent that and I so I the I think, in So the site that community we was worked had to asked 1976, I antenna have to do schedule a until operation full-time that job. site And we got to the manager, that was done, believe. manager, which is what? site was What does that strictly KSL entail? CA: Well, originally, television, the Channel Five. broadcasters desired broadcast cover to mile-high state. They decided just At up property. And microwave, On that Yes. have we had over it, share that two effect of so we to on two-way services FM that's be hundred of took nine station a the board have TV used their in and we another help the it, time, other much and receiver-type gets into of engineer, determiner, that is about technicality point since to of up our radio there. tower? this [laughter] site present property we number our share There a 1looked should telephone new And we the the area to there. off use which wanted tenants. stations the mountain directors in to But a and being all somebody a a very, very planner, a non-engineering manager, a referee, a sorts of things. But had to manage 18 a chief horse's that, it got and neck, to the if the CLOYDE W. ANDERTON workmen, that, I and they became the manage Now, #1 the engineers couldn't get manager. the you're Chief for the site. And for the site. wear a dual hat That's just the way done. We have some have lots of storms. we our the top. it and some we can't harness it, but we've well. We have is no in a it and And have we gotten generators power I but tip power has run a well We And mile it, tall right for we at many can do Unfortunately, value it out and to out And so to Over put quite plant keep in a when we of survive problems. company people You there. that with the available. 19 of it. helped fuel up economic live those quite lightning of any of lightning. power-line to and of "tricks" to the which generator the out get been that's fought sting how commercial sense, so problem. things rod" some one growth lots on have the service power right learned we've underground And engineer, just it's have found of a "lightning we we've take years from (KSL-TV)? it's unique We is so to the done. chief KSL And very a building years, pretty happens. are And for but know and work the really, things. fact, still Engineer necessary in their insulated site. And I I'm weren't an bit. there become, that in CLOYDE W. ANDERTON #1 operation. How do We you haul for fuel to the So on up there? up in the And we winter. run power were it supplies them the get for about company strict was got? down rations what--otherwise you 150 Oh, I summertime see. stockpile keep on hand about hours. I think one winter, 170 hours, so for about around there's and a You've the enough we clock. line up there? got the What power have lines up there. Yes. And are these diesel generators or the gasoline generators. We burn propane. Propane. Propane long is time clean. and Economically, to You use store through Going it We brings TS it air starts easy. pollution. It That's would probably be large canisters a stores why we little for use a it. cheaper diesel. take Yes. no It up in contract it in about it, and the supplier two-thousand-gallon fifteen the back a for (tanker)? thousand usually tanker, gallons (to and we carry us winter). a little bit, 20 there was a time when there CLOYDE W. ANDERTON was a tower an-hour tear I that quote to say, it And over ridge narrow the which range, very, very probably fell, the ground. There And the a actually. is on was It in I think two Mountains a point about was 100, the and just tower blew, one of 200, winds are west and that an being those very ridge hour, tower feet it wind a which and a ridge, this 150 was across miles oscillation 21 it it eddies above on summer November the and 250 But typical of turbulence won't before of knife-edge And blew the down, the occasion. was it at before I in estimates exceed of in weeks out that? [laugh] operation usually the an and 100-mile-an-hour almost could both built but of to competition said. blew heard is section wind was put that any down, were knows, that failure in fall is so does I combined in the blew that Oquirrh easily resulted then wind that discussion that for wind the the tower And there for it was Nobody up rises the wind. 300. common. it stood And bad situation the 1952, and pretty the things it down. 250, after seven-hundred-mile- involved working and a something you remember the '52, or I of of then were was some fall blew I and and told, and down suffice of I'm wasn't. blew and there down, time, it it up wind, that No, #1 and that above the just simply torn loose. was a things. great And CLOYDE W. ANDERTON yeah, that hurt. KSL Union Pacific had was had shut was on turn the repairs down, Yes, of So And was it, you in about of ground because the tower will tip for do down It to get there there to until 278 feet is the a project a this was It that weighs, about three and on that much We jokingly are say that [laughter] true I built took about tower. It believe we feet more a was ground, the up, replacement that, the put until self-standing above over. was true it tall. 22 that years concrete mountain tower call pounds the on a of And was is embarked antenna number It it itself. build 'to but footings they built. want gravity the the removed. from modest a was 600,000 center support They sold to engineer the tenants? very 1977. years, calculated, an of Lake. had had was roof been they then other used tower, stands hadn't could a tower four they operated and they replacement principally the one made. holding if get no Salt and all they temporarily that that to from downtown equipment was where capable and facility repaired program CA: in air were fortunately broadcasting the on. but Building there. it They been but still back serious, that equipment, TL: #1 but the below the and the steel massive maybe Maybe than the wind it will CLOYDE W. ANDERTON blow the tower won't come that's right. work coating add to "I tons. it up can tell I The over the entire stressed for does tip mountain, mountain, you is there six a is lot a of of design for 193 ice tower. below ice on it hope six-inch and degrees inches we stressed antenna fifty but and that tower when to keep know. It would Yes. And then and looked the from We Twould project up it tower, fthink It's zero. the tower that, ice it fnet. very Lt's we work course, it inside probably by nervous put on accumulating of fall and more accumulation to hundreds built, some and tons, several about this down. a 'multi-millienvdolilaxr there. was as a multi-million such, there is has a community all the operating forming of was did we're want it we And And don't hundreds after possible tons. thing. be it, itself. the hundred at ice antenna Yes, the winds lessened CA: will it? of No it from that. pounds don't the and hour temperature many And into an How over loose went mile #1 a supports--at section antenna at the dollar that's type needs about shared FM for nine maximum 23 the project, top fifty antenna FM allowable of and the feet the tower long that which supplies broadcast stations power. And on top CLOYDE W. of ANDERTON that is out of iron the TV antenna elements iron of the which all of is made radios users support tower by fifty-four we have we have feet that full number of where a Right under Under the the They're protected fear of freeways we seal So you it do But antenna for a with. And underneath an FM of of other the big feet ceiling, equipment. are the KSL- fifty-four eleven-foot stations of care number that's inch top megahertz takes The on and room Just half news, from and That's located. get on beams the top cushion the water. it? 24 off? Over that éuch bridges, twelve-inch to from ice. concrete and pad dropping support a slab, felt to to have concrete inch painted. transmitting ice pre-stressed that a that with the and 450 it. tower. no the the made pounds. and a of one is tower? There's some it believe communications band share which thousand then in radio's we six and operating and can't about dual frequency that of a antenna you weighs out is TV big galvanized that news, Five so itself is ultra-high TV's Channel that are two-way L #1 steel of the that room as and we you see on on top of reinforced we've effects of have got the solid a ice six- and CLOYDE CA: W. ANDERTON We do live E get it. with You #1 We it, but mentioned tenants up referee can't the that there gets Someone said that have "abiding that. equipment one is who help of to is your we well jobs referee, what All I positions. do is protected. now and can that you have assume you mean What does that entail? CA: an Creator. of these to And be treat not. equal, lead everybody If there everybody. to do that, a good you contact have to with the bad. One we all more so. a the And else, isn't we and into a a nobody is a that little of we will that whether made, So absolutely 1like it's made, treated absolutely trouble. they condition is that sorts concession is we I'm all policy quite people that same, there everybody. source. about you 1is If last provided developed anyone and probably things can have for your it cute that we fear" that's actually, want order [laughter] Sometimes Well, in it or made to it's made differently than will not vary from that. Including Oh yes. have to Everybody your I own treat be is unit? KSL careful a little just like who I more so. 215 any tell other that tenant, to. but [laugh] I CLOYDE W. ANDERTON TL? Surely CA: But anyway, You have same so. to survive. is, and We my job have same. for So A, and A, are But course there that's what have we poorest broadcaster TLs Because up CA: That's And struggled you have town, the a cost greatly 26 is the X an a cost. with terms paying has it And are the where you for, let's Option you A pays don't need pay. up there, amount charge is same. philosophy that antenna whatever not here. broadcaster in an to hated, agreements. equipment costs can't or schedule don't take we 1lease If down else the consequently that A. have be. So you're doing to richest right. if a to and But The upon basically the there, lease. the you're We the has loved done. Option on or treated everybody then how of it same I'm that's for based way goes. be based get. of so it same then up we to the you're that going all right. _service way amount it's That's which rewritten you the the And that what is guidelines, see necessarily CA: is to Option Option TE:s on charges same same can't. signs The say, the just this everybody the everybody Everybody pay treat depending it's we basically, rules just #1 of for that dollars, it. in town, can't be And or a the if the factor. antenna. One among of the the things tenants is CLOYDE W. ANDERTON to try their and wrong it get minds remote, in 1is the mountain to of or the make and keep site doing, valley. And have you idea is inaccessible; needs 'not maintenance, don't the kind there does across that it's up cost #1 it. do anything lot way you preventative mistakes. a best So, fresh isolated, costs the it do that way are engineers we it is that goes more than to avoid a preventative planning, And in and save a you lot of who, in problems. TL: So what fact, you are doesn't CA: have then engineers have an for everybody? engineer No, the only engineers are the KSL engineers. regarding that that facts of 1life are enough people at a the given rather problem, emergency an they that have And since KSL gets will do do call and the we basis. But we obligation for them. 27 all for cases. do have pays up there some rules but afford things all tenants the will take not do If they have for everybody the wages can FM mountain the to opportunity If station 1like, can't KSL radio then? don't first service most We Each you residence we really to assistance, emergency licensee So, in there, such. Normally, promptly up we there time. engineers, service. a up under for be their handled station, and ask care of routine, need a for has for an it on mundane proof of CLOYDE W. ANDERTON #1 performance, engineer So the they up to them routine that cleaning, And so maintaining assurance their Now, when tag Yes. have have anybody CA: But to do have an then are up and own it. We spared and assistance, the needs won't emergency, there, but to we the they be obligations been to ever a do will cost of have they the are not responsible for that it there. and sundry if to that off a and they have in when it said person fully is there? that the cooperate. So, I get and only want back. person doesn't the don't seemingly person 28 up to try this. comes only they sharing, «candidly--I I've do methods cost disappointed this The goes get participation hear things, helicopter various cooperate need routine still saying and no you terribly true. problem, your tried it's to their how cross there's transmitter responsibility when you willing they do and person--I'm Well, their occasions-- have emergency they that's We TL.: send FcCC. cooperation we to their tenants the along assume CA: If licensing the if manpower of with those they the of relieved to on And them. need it. do up. for help. Elis do stations Send will have we've who a tried who is has the problem, things, CLOYDE e W. ANDERTON and whenever the most So if and an rent Now, do you or what, on We have It's so mean some FM KSL's you to We off. the And weeks hourly station called are set renters, fee or charge rate, for by that. the job, not and employee is have to our help, up we test in that already the charge all It's supply we the doesn't own. everybody and and equipment request employees, have We tenant do for alone. hour, increments, his and a But basis? fee. test buy the share. they have by an each them. two obviously and hour that still weeks emergency, on an to it emergency call tenant's You an out going charge based investment Tlse then use service up it by space, of they work standardized one-tenth if wind an the a to we we emergency, they thing, can, had had free we part, you same. #1 sort of make the there, and can usually equipment to the on and two off, do you however. same when off schedule: you the say one two mountain week weeks or two weeks off of work? CA: Two off. weeks regular later, Normally he'll days he'll schedule, week one later. person a When he'll be During go come up 29 to on to thirteen mountain, the Tuesday on down scheduled those goes morning afternoon. Tuesday come back days, and we thirteen have no CLOYDE W. ANDERTON hold he on He have doesn't thing out an him. doesn't he we of #1 to in, come to of him let us ask town, And have have emergency, you. doesn't we other do to he any is, report doesn't kind "Hey, know want than that, you're keep report The only going In waste office, to work. gone. to the have of if you're don't to case time out to we be have looking of for trouble." [laughter] In the Don't thirteen become days-- a bank robber. Yeah. But anyway, has quite he's on He is at all. a the not days plus hour week. Say, he he a have eight. yofi We don't free, to makes than he an day, I work don't get there working a day, in whatsoever. pursuits and we those standard and when pay seven forty- then-- day. see. sixteen stand your works, person then personal he up the but time or and eight-hour that free hobbies would is time, no money sixteen-hour to free KSL, more he then has pursue belongs Sixteen-hour You to worked work of means mountain, He And this bit free him. We what for sleep, 30 hours any and you goofing you're not have off going to sleep because to last if a CLOYDE W. ANDERTON #1 week. [END CAs If we the P2 don't SIDE have rules ONE OF TAPE] out there, we lose control of thing. Okay. So day, they or do sixteen CA:s OF work they sixteen plan hours hours. it? other How than Do do you the [laughter] The a reputation of good people I haven't an employee and had that's Tl That was CA: Well, And right. We're them We're not not going the rules. to know to And we do, be designated of myself. Right. the to take they're do you holding for there's Okay. crew two the have them? eight years, them right. hours stand a for of person to of us large alternate chief I'm day, 3 not all going everyday, them, but up one treat us hanky-panky. extent. there, there any works up up to either. that a that's treat have advantage people Since we they advantage every as and that self-supervising twenty-four was, work record. people, take be of a going going to Now, good let not of they that and their information. have we replace something my we to question plan know fact trustworthy? getting you you're These are there has And so what person will operator in lieu the time? to be up there am the chief and I CLOYDE W. ANDERTON operator, FCC operator the to to the obvious if of for work stay that One operator that have requires available. chief see #1 on those his gets the you're there has men shift, done. air, to is and a chief designated and The be it's first up to thing that's as him is we immediately not. Yeah. The picture quality must immediately obvious if have all of written the down, certain and it the basic to there have be to we who and so did track a can what and it of what the a on go book, and sent is of. back what things. find that we're there is something full in happened on for And we having wrong 32 too with our follow many the do week on crew, takes of up options those my what have and and find a down complete to and keep if breakdowns, system, up out broke reference that, that in, office can a ' the the page We and we to every That we anticipate check. So have up: fill both that's that, with can't and repaired. went up They that, and off. a we we wtypeds signed leave and from that wish we good, Aside " that care was of in things file kept isn't. and but are we how history done taken keep there, be things, because then ©of be things cataloged schedule has it routine ‘poertion maintenance to so we then we go CLOYDE W. ANDERTON back and #1 fine-tune we'll send a to this week do same thing long or let's as up and the all that typewritten and then we write it know, is and record of because the only was the repainting of that, big it things Now, this is know. the example for tower, 1little the them it an had Now of crew reports. initialed we week kind of their was All the things. is up This the very an and it. find this sent thing of there's I you doing There's what Occasionally, you been Here's signed a down." tests, yesterday. part bit. "Okay, you've use. they've have say, you down 1little and semester "test" came a semester find'out, problem we crew it The to do, off, and unusual going on and with time to week up there taking do care anything else. Now, it going CA: says freight Well, no, "up-going go we'll helicopter, even flights just we it take to up talk by we truck, up-going and tHeynedidthatscome 33 you in a tram? go to by special summertime, the to up- moment. charter try as does your has it 'back, and on During we how tram to freight through, go the freight. says, back it have of thumb Now wintertime if haul Does about items can that there? the During [laugh] up freight." list the major a record. Somebody or didn't it2" could find out You if CLOYDE W. ANDERTON some piece you of know, we know what The a So you Or how takes it up it form figure Well, one Okay, I You or of up by a you days This is and, back, one three or of the crews. The maybe And So can times do the thirteen and two weeks few so they they're anyway, we try communicate. thirteen It's days days come each? in? down. find and a then let's There noticed you've do spring. got as you We drinking 34 looked has other water. two just In is no devised water-- time working off duty. are they the kind that? thing. There but the days and handle have at words, food all weeks, reported thirteen interesting discuss no have Tuesday, down you crew things How an is If the through you're of--in such is so they record things. Food And that of everyday Tuesday hours. for I is there; on?" crews day. responsible there. it's we came this crews. that working the short eight place, TL three you--how up part Okay. it having going service, see. sheets, s when And other so for communication. week wind it's of in what's down up. knows the "Hey, out and went have tell do down we to write just went supplies wondering, to it went things that forget equipment when difficult crew #1 the first water a way-- up CLOYDE CA: W. I ANDERTON took up there #1 some this extra week. We manufacture water wintertime, and gallons it's of muscles by of exercise shovel You because shovel Yes. We water. melts run it It's SEl just and the will he some extra. toilets goes and a to work. But for all we manufacture in 1952 that lack of it have to have five that from there that a we store from the we we up we snow, a of hot, and the chlorine have no "So jugs, way for the picnic jug of we use So--food. We found 35 there and Every water way food have him send flushing necessitates--you're it. with we'll with We aerate jugs. and problems water drinking water short, hot in to thing, of up and tanks. sort pantry and day. hot hill put run the dishes just and outdoor times washing some 22,000 Light, full in into gallon is the building several that's and snow. in and-- but If whereby and of tltastyMtoldrink. take up excellent out off take can is people there Power snow filter, fellows when get way made this the sterile, Bl ilsn® We It's hopper syphons a up minutes, shovel it snow hopper big perfectly water, man a a Utah can extra devised do. And a have it. from twenty through oMl we into have it and you for up We store men. we of we BTUs the snow have out water done because or going a up the that back the to year's CLOYDE W. ANDERTON supply and on sugar food and deep food on hand. and out about in getting work, bread, milk, fruits, deserts, own. but the So He it Yes. And October eat a the don't has he the new supply, stale food. ptomaine or but engineers the that, and based upon an don't fresh and company first to employee, will we emergency, We to, meat October people. Each year's again have that constantly anyone like like they move want have have up He has pay for it furnishes. to time his vegetables, that. we worry each take of own fresh to take himself, And so it's split. if for we we wants buy you shelf which all in. and to food in have flour sort a we is that have Then anything happens, you're on if fifty-fifty then, if food eggs, other a That's and we stuff supply. all and freezers and goods and pantry, that worry his a canned cereal so getting to have first, enough about CA: year's goes we and have juices October so staples have about he And We We a have TE and frozen have to hand. stuff. supply. #1 have meal replenishing the long ill, We up. we and don't something. do 36 And that. we if it meat want then it's want anyone anybody takes That's we to getting some one in sitting out.because don't this take upward, And bump and it? inventory moves too a effort, of their CLOYDE W. ANDERTON assignments addition state #1 and to being man and electrician, all there. You've CA: got kinds of Well, we've ‘leook been two three every And that is and Because it of thing? Oh yeah. your things, place, very you had for a lot Not and and when only we have a up there we you carefully. can't put them hire And but neither have 377 Who you the to but there? hard I What and And hasn't that every would maybe of way. it be blowup, except do about? used one talent. lose or You productivity, if into pay you're one that. people, you low two. train waste. their that, peofile, history, wasteful That's partner, we our it It's years, up things And them. eight people of an man. hire? talking ‘over way. had we deteriorated working produce, do the be all. person to in solid- to grocery keeping frightfully lose it a got in are years we do a engineer and has cook, of back that person people age learned always or of backgrounds ‘you'll a to haven't the each man man success kind You what's has great What for? transmitter he But electronics plumber, a mean, if T a different. an a And turnover. look it's of So more is found practice. you kind irritated you we that screen In going out at to some the first them very, attention to your CLOYDE W. ANDERTON interview really with work She's husband him for two we've to not well as say things. And the job for about want a me And good I man, You've got we And go up you're we a good, a of we trying to you, good 38 [laughter] is We know anyway, we have family to know with matters why, but look at he labored it have an him, but he "Look, not? I get the me out and record, of but love I wanted with to me and couldn't do you distinct this understand we'd it these opening, said, I thifigs make that talk around more?" he understand. need day. fellows wanted or stand hard did finally can the and there "Please and we a don't one and so going take because man is I mountain, out. said, does. remember good impression job him is yet husband And there spare well. work so can each "My see. if so month to you this And I says, you And the me wife Can't always on a figure the home, does. was if reverse and that and the at always time, with employee. quits, wife to that. It a the he hours problem, worse. until employee agreement keep unique at the in twenty-four a at nagging week do isn't can't that a much. got look wife you weeks, actually, too than you find for going home the keep to her he if to got was wife schedule, going you've And the because this I #1 job." you're a have you. understand that CLOYDE W. ANDERTON you have not my home your I want do is to up there, other to get be and do you to I'm the decide, 'I to so trying and it deesn't work well as us." anyway, I'm of sure. if to we out, you trying want all to to be of these Maybe I ought keep you transfer you it'sigoing that's kind men seven? from to of up hurt the way go. You I what care I'm there, we are unless absolutely not Because So so I'm a as problems mountain take making you mistake. to and And home problem. there, maybe it.' your up going or your help." not up you Now can't take things, to I business, cannot really not problems. problems. That's "But #1 have have to six I have and require three man sick off. up seven. cover, of men get a people. in the We than Six seventh sometimes gallstones. Other there? we last had to that, man. have Sick or We work leave: ten there him vacations assignments I've years. give have He a only that had one had an attack couple of months has been no sick leave off the mountain when needed. TL: How about they've have CA: Oh, much that plucking gotten of ill people or for whatever reason? Do you that? happens occasionally. 819 We will do the best we CLOYDE W. ANDERTON can. If #1 someone family, we'll fly immediately, And ‘“this or ill a once as back how to a soon handle our just a little decision now, and we have do blind. now, We'll couple of notes the it do feel of too years you people. like And tackle cold. ago with some it's had a real slick compatibles with that's friends, to after can't work no people just like. deal. He The a year or can some And with so have more so, my like to the cold and up and And you other with before compatibles But the you've got you compatibles, than others, but me with problem with three other a natural work supervisor is: into like to get There's just want of ran It's a make kind We than for and loose. your 40 I'd And Okay. the rule go observe assigned compatibles. let's person. do to But our them more natural you good. with turn it crew. is to allow. made them buddyism. communicate you told to that who are out have full do we people is, send they they we the a them but and So hired the will little. more. with fly in often, people, before the that all things much problem that what up death and very don't them shifts, and just send we a weather very that we the maybe, is up not on way there as TIt's year we or replacement happens. averages dwell gets crews crews. And have your can like can you you've got to CLOYDE W. ANDERTON work your going be can't can't and handle favorites, with, it, I with. across, that Nobody cares because he Actually, I will. your you're whomever as we was serious, we quit that gripe it has probably can few get to blind. I that trouble. to that way. because so get you with work message having buddy of, you assigned his tired to are about be if going got sweeter shifts somebody and you soon There's is problem, Because with there. there as knows every if And even you up and that's to it's buddy then everybody productively work best with no work work to RE S share to you #1 anymore even look your your forward buddy, I have an suppose. CA: I'm not stupidly employee that's kitchen, and piggish in fastidious I the realize may on have kitchen, that that's we may cleanliness one and I have a in the 1little bit differences. Sure. They're solve going it. they've Plyc How can do to with beautiful. as And got bothered to rubreach they get it, They're have other, to along, have and you see. doing it And fine. I but a they clean don't hey, I'm have kitchen, want the just to. to guys as be are pleased be. you make the shift 41 though, now? I mean how do CLOYDE W. ANDERTON you CA: skip a beat so down together. come up and This is an problem. naturally. then somebody takes to be down months down the weeks. And anytime mountain forty for hours vacation, to, the problem. when you you on always be vacation, it that have is going week time want can. to tell a the fellow But two be scheduled if wish, to. You that don't has vacations, it three three the draw against your have give or can to, pretty you only off you a that down you're charge take You're to be short-down to "Okay. you can a happening, have going and And take time. you're weeks, isn't to we this that give will but well if solved vacations on down-time? Let's say finished coming to duty for I that your before want Oh, you that it to so, people schedule, road three if want Now, one rotate And that And vacation you the CA: somebody short-down can going going schedule. the going is Assuming is and you problem. somebody done long-down that awkward If schedule El:2 #1 draw see. four you week were up, you're two one weeks and of you've scheduled vacation. weeks. Okay. 42 the men got to You and two go you just weeks down back, will then and you be off I've up BE, got at How a fellow the world's often do now that's fair up you have on in to four weeks off. He's for what Canada. go up there and reasons? I go anytime there up there, and my hands in up on the a the things. average Tl What CA: If It do the just is stay. helicopter mountain know, T So for CA: Oh say, and up there come enough days what I a handle to or needs keep probably month. three the to go But four in days are. drive? I drive. I take wintertime, "Hey, back in I vehicle Jjust buddy. three a Fly days charter me and and get a to the me." You whatever. you wouldn't go up for an hour are too trip. You'd go up maybe-- no. Not getting the old I and a is trip a is that don't a have hard driving "hard" chore. you 43 road. If time to three-hour been it, expensive, I twelve-hour ten-or a I I've it bounce for That's trip. long to mean, road. round Helicopters be to minimum. years me. too going How and have wintertime be on I often two open, it's up or you If that one may Do go the depends do? road I In of I just you something otherwise, summertime, week. is say? that go and up, a driving drive--I for it's as day waste I'm mean thirty-one The best you can way and it each do from takes a here is an four-wheel hour and drive. a The half road is rough. That's The remarkable. tram. with TV Union Let's go back June 1, 1949. on Pacific 4, was it soon on going the to valley. there. The numerous ol hget « o, Oquirrhs of section acres, I Would that that be, see time on it perhaps. else Coon was Peak called It's 44 named a better Range of is the Front from Range are easy anything. So the KSL So anyway, managed to Smelter, bought traded and the them American Farnsworth called of And of Wasatch they So the you're side location. it. sell the and by get Wasatch see of if out west some air Channel Mountain on and owned believe, be back the Building. that to entire Peak somewhere roof signal the preferred wouldn't land on can't the the Bank have convenient yeu on competition, Oquirrh the went everybody peaks was They believe. still it's tram. on Walker to Farnsworth purchase--it were our to that 'but chose the The become KSL and site. and 1949. They going can this television mountain are At your in You of about to obvious you're beautiful KSL roof get transmission me Building, became valley, Tell it a for ii huge 120 Peak. or something? Coon after Peak, the and Coon should Family, and they wanted Phs For CA: So, homesteaded to do it and was happy, me they there honor but Philo go are. Arch T. Madsen Farnsworth. the they could they actually They up on November fifteenth. going be common. a They either for even considered that at considered; steep for even maybe we can where they Alps. So they this was tripped you're up going to by, do they I of that it was were not helicopter So ski that an they 1like chairs maybe exciting something 45 like The got wasn't open was too that the idea do in Europe go up in that they'd idea. tackle Where problem. that, very road road they the was, access The out. as and weren't the and '52, matter. ruled work soon think Keeping to decided as Helicopters underestimating in was and obvious time. go thing they these really one and was decided and trusted, something do have air snowcat. a to they exploratory spring problem. that that the Family, least construction became serious good was the It weren't in at decided '51, started made Coon Or some 1950, there got it. snowshoes of which the they did and winter get about they Peak except Anyway, and broke. to suppose, horseback in for Farnsworth unhappy Peak, on another I still Farnsworth Now to renamed they're tell to something there, Farnsworth? everybody up out you'd the that. they And if better get somebody they are You doing, say Well, that's yes. then do Somebody that has could get that I know the you Switzerland. bottom line don't was they mechanical over the best he can't long knew do. of He On canyon, a and at best. Enke that They started in and time.v a in can do 1957 when various BYU to of take it which ground besides or head in have feet with windy that, they that done project Anyway, they still reasons. no a four-year it." as you thousand And got the they didn't They kept problems. summer still I'll it, mountain three- "I in but at the "We've for the As of until design when? it, is says, started right. turn that. time. They That's do was designed the this they a he above operable '57 and feet have into put only was department hundred with running who five struggled it Enke were on fall," first what the ramifications, Glen side And expertise that can't by have knows experience. spans windy pressing in and right. tram, He had you let the how. twelve support. So it engineering design and were experience Switzerland? place the and had of it didn't have April the 29, how we you tell [laugh] '52. of That's 46 an done? they 1957 got to use unbelievable didn't it the thing. Well, anyway, incorrect ¥dea this design, was the the other ground, would have From the ItVs side we'd of If mountain, kept been using that it Grantsville side. side mountain, windy There is a twelve-hundred-foot upward Hold it. side right It's on in It's on The gone close to and it today, side? the in. ‘they'd" Tooele canyon. practical. of the crosses five-thousand-foot canyon the canyon. the Wasatch with winds side or span up the a over slope a on Grantsville now? the Grantsville see. from built very big I were beautiful. the still under-design, very, That's Oh, that of been No. blowing matter problems is"brilliantt" down a Okay. this I side, side. was if thinking they'd that done it if on they the came Wasatch side-If and ground Why They oh, It have still didn't they? took the the would been shortest have useful. shortest route. route. 47 big this together, plan. brilliant those close cost canyons, was much a gone and side, stayed and ridges, crossed not closer towers would those of one down Wasatch the on it done had they put the to their beautiful, less, and it Shortest route. TE Okay. They didn't CA: Now, I've had probably doing some I've they Anyway, had in couldn't. words wrong, that he but more for Glen he didn't spent budget with just know Enke and simply was what than ten he was times what it. imagine. can That caused Reuben a Clark TL:: Presidency. CA: He 1lot who TL: What do CA: More than that. It Okay. [laughter] it. for with of KSL. He was J. really than that. than knows? who bookkeeping", "creative more any say to want more dollars? million A don't I cost into get you the--President cost? it that. just in particularly financing think you hell, that. about uptight of was approving was When him they the they bad done something doing. I know Yeah. bugs and they the so So, than more But, out. worked they kicked got Elliott Andersons that it Elliott did would They kicked Anderson pretty and his good out group job the of out Construction Paulsen a Enke on in Anderson, a 48 construction project, it. And there, and of patching work. firm? the of most had they Anyway, that. it up 2 Uh huh, one yeah. He that--he his could your hair stand will beat his experiences on that good shapé all of the say, the employees they looked had that We've I am "What anyway, it's pretty good reasonably push the take to had says been gotta you've ride it." gonna do And when it?" ride gotta I me tell it wanted quite saying, were stories Elliott rising. and employees, "Okay, and tell the make wouldn't--but, defects nobody but corrected, can is will you now, known I that [laughter] tension pretty Elliott ground. that the Joel. stories and the feel and you end, into on brother tell could you in and Yeah. On the thirtieth of a shift change, and of process in for and in the chief, upside- it. destroyed and down flying helicopter the tipped we landing, were crew the was I we 1957 April, Oh. we the and in, hit split and hardly within the fuel We have helped medical a what thousand from fact that the fuel the snow and in were all unconscious. ourselves. 49 both lives, off miles. that our ran attention. there saved the from ignite. couldn't have that's and cushion snowdrift fifteen-foot a about was There So, There We were anyway, was no injured tanks didn't mean I we had we to helicopter and on the mountain with going get to the fifteen-foot ourselves tram? snowdrifts. out [laugh] of And there? that's How were we Stuff them on what they did. [laughter] April or thirtieth the first People. some time. I mean his neck This we out they for people KSL was, you this see. done, safe. You ride it must have been now just was used, for quite it tram to first it exercise, nobody the the'boss from it giving Now the on but riding was was it, it people? know, yet, been for time freight you testing had first used were that is sticking maintenance service official says, it. use "It's But of it. perfectly on." scary-looking though. yeah. EelsisusE there. Oh go bilgiravianes), It still name was Calvin Reed Ogden, Something the three And that Mauk. that. of you I'm man young Reed was just Ogden. helicopter went 50 M-A-U-K? not right down. along and my waiting to myself anyway, the come it? Mauk. Calvin like in name kid. tolid, So a was who old year bend huh. mission--his nineteen 'm' the Uh partner a on had still. yeah, working And was the hauling Once Oh was it been people, That CA: time We'd and then, sure. He pilot was a whose Yes. And And I there We they was They to just they was the had to the thinking how had a doctor. they were crew up there that replace a crew, so to to three to us another up all us just was went took stay do of work get the was us. doctor, and And and so saw you that and work took the But first? crew injured they that's notified. stayed. longer, out, us out first and and that and took time it was used. So what--okay, Yeah. We good about from it. We learned We Icing problem, and eventually. But November CA: We had supposed use was 1962. an ice and a to that it and trying ride until We on free be As turned "Tac Welds" 51 a tram We it and the it welded was temporary of out rode an it icing date I was that from mechanism the which on. hell another counterweight welded a 1962. problem to but not had is the was the 1962. in scary, one put pretty it was was this 19, build-up in felt visibility winter. November 19, excessive, ice, on we lightning actually and on? and structures rode then couldn't and what summer It we that the we develop TE:: to on from on, problem, that's much remember. that a used then learned wasn't problem. problem was it really pretty it used windstorms. it then out, welds or was they had on just chose that particular the tram, and debris, the disabled, been what CA: There's a the car the case State was the am permanently I of fighting. I was operating of my Supreme keep at drum, said feet by falling injury Court I'm not has twice still under killed. for to to could be not As see the the bolts, and there people coming for a were Yes. There FAA. They What happened were couple tenants to up them? 52 of that cable but turned they to had put forgotten thing up on thousand and just adjusted Anyway, bolted through after it had tacked it in bolts in the to drill fell apart. for the the-- people who worked at the time. there eight concrete, was out, to counter constant. welded forgotten had the probably steel and that they because it to was which tension fifty-four of the cable proper It feet rail down weigh ballast, had they the true. on the then six structure. but probably that probably supposed failed--you place, on tension main were is hollow was the big is the weight keep the eight partially So to which by holes I part is still big which pounds that a which fortunately, great balance, to Utah loose. by And we're around feet hit of the And get happened? holds come was result and treatment. So to partially. already, to I before TES time the CGAR They got the They got some was 1living abrasions psychological, working with It just only tree on the tree from the them But it No, it for repairs work done on did stop? '74, forget. I mean '75--we have to a bullet went through the we empty found well when was found. CA: We did you didn't cable whipped squeezing even know car, we around the go with a the to climb could slide down. So we reverse? tram then there was used until shot the and we back it about and cable, cable. Never and because in the I was down extensive 1970 the was again check. footprints casing this How it just the year, his remember TL: was tree, able and it that a They tree didn't then rifle shell this a used with but by them. mostly hill was rope. the it And hunter who, He anyway, about it. I'll the passed the to But fellow down route. over Well, for on the of ground. stopped. about sent them out shakeup. they whole car the scared snowshoes throw tram had on I happened, and the and and me rope. daylights or And '71--I some and rifle find snow, the out found footprints. in deer a did the until And I cable car up the know? it. had And a the cable when we were malfunction, rail out 53 like cable, this. coming and the and okay. in tow so cable it was Gonna have to watch out. We'll let any the peel. That Stop. CA: Oh, a that This Broken a So CA: So during or Nothing at meantime, on the Helicopters just we did up rifle a soft strands that crossed the strands a of banana helicopter it, because we in We it. that doesn't anyway, they found hunter's when when a rifle bullet. the tram cor tram was down went damage. on that us a year you scary bullet point the time time, not the Well, and cost over and like Usually examine continued was really happen. to was called it wrap huh? cable. That about in thirty getting couldn't use it for thousand fixed. it for either people? all. We there was tram, liability. off cut that freight them the maintenance. s pealed a of the of was It we two So cable as took hairy, it and it there from It up, was it anyway, build That got it, easy scary. it. dollars. watch anyway-- couple through and had maintenance in and So but bullet slow little we happen, it Stop. know thought the Stop. was didn't work and us. was probably point, cable rescue TE S can pressure damaged rail We take big bullet to that. It had to some in had outlived can do the sense, job 54 a helicopter. agitation and a use the its a and some tram has usefulness. lot cheaper. In bad the P.R. become Jet a Ranger Helicopters? Yes. So tram was Mines anyway, because always with the only ski 1lifts up developed ones at and down. shut us and doing what It the We we were shut Eight it up But and places other over the D.O.T.) conveyance look at the dollars million wouldn't still and as to (the hard a to miners anyway-- So was now engineer and I we made we could with dollars, losing a of tramways. public spend us because they as took could needed a year and the we "Let's try helicopter on easy ground. That's an dollars. That's pretty long about for thirty spending were maintenance Hoskings. winter all in fly the Bob with deal a said, I so and manager the the and tram, answer. Just down. thousand schedule goes So dollars and the Department tram us we things, too. that we our wanted time thousand thousand so we chief out everything eight And tram helicopter." found Brighton D.0.T., D.0.T. the supervisor, and using classified down. this By Yes. They good a were the guarantee. any was of the Commission transferred decided thing have Alta they us who various under Industrial responsibility shut the classified the were of and to the limiting once a week. 55 So number you go of good times fifty-two with your that times it a year plus It emergencies varies whether the around. We Okay, helicopter company to helicopter, you use we still don't use that. Well, used it equipment or which means one. And that we all in So the there you get right. That's cost and can to probably we shop with the which was go the less helicopter, helicopter, the we got a it news but you to make that we company is two full much trips a the no, we but the of news weight, instead heavily of loaded secret of in wintertime peak minimum empty; tanks one, carry with and and one? new can't mountain And new helicopter absolute back. than a time, fuel So get flying with up helicopter, you have the is you we are around that work and a rented news means operation sure the contracted have news did the that helicopter a and which go has a have burned, was to wants contract, own. burned, problem the Hoskings to used your Well, that leave wants Helicopters. you But who Kennecott when didn't CA: on that Continental something. depending had helicopter or the weight Jjust a and enough to good make get uh-- high with 56 the what uh-I fly. can half and it mean rental would the bottom-line helicopter cost to use was our own. Then the that KSL owns they don't we got a who joke.) news TL: They CA: In are just If we would. take a of emergency helicopter L But I can understand, CA: There are very I have my if men and/or from anywhere Chopper 5 from to pounds of actual operating men top two make have I to the and you go on. and anyway, if we you have they're it. for it. very silly sounds it to commercial a So an it's basically use the mountain. $240 to of this round and/or eight fly for 5)7/ to that the now, it takes we take pounds it And that. to fly-- hundred If building, trips freight cost do can If valley. the I Now, Bacchus to out can to $180 So hire to reasons I freight out know. be-- but us, not drive there, helicopter us schedule. across drive to time you of sure. valid men throw available, and care helicopter, department, on keep taking And that. with helicopter a the interest best story might it's it helicopter department. [laughter] on the passengers, just That if and news in news share to everybody's have the that news ferry chance and generous any you'd probably is the were laughs. behalf to blow The wouldn't to to story, [laughter] problem belongs want engineers (So other get exceeds cost fly with for eight six of will we mountain the example, hundred and our hundred dollars. That's simply a And if so is better I going on Still better? of is by CA: my guys, pay per man an hour a lot it it drive per man. safer to just other way. amounts up to there and and out in fly bigger a with and exchange still you do they do summer the in or exchange, you the what to but me, told when do it's and-- overloaded already up to Now, overloaded--yeah, not machine--not cost. money it's that mountains drive to usually fact You've of overtime which the no-profit use have back, Plus a helicopter? Drive Now, our June the up. drive We up. drive first up the and it is October. And during supplies that we actually killing that through use birds two one with so that we're stone. It's not year, the our all up haul we time, in week last the about the upon depend will on was year this road drive. we open, is road one last normally weather, total the the And 10th. If a waste. Yeah. We learned have What Scotsman. money. hangup The of value So that's the for every your be to is that $100 I touchstone. 58 if I can't spend, [laugh] love I [laughter] hell. I'm economical. super I'm get sick, Okay, a to spend $110 worth you we've see. talked a lot of about your of overlaps this Well, I so and you to wish I CA: you it George that's one out of and lot to I'm going 1ty [laugh] I'm how Standard out he's as been Examiner, right the first things right lives. to That plan, If very, 59 if I'll you you have a have one; I him you can down the before you get I ever met. he does but I'm you is look at that ask him he you And how about, talking would successful very line-a-type and from guy it. view I a that Anyway-- that. what you me means don't right best him. telling started what's interview know that learned trouble the he's not admit I out may He tell [laugh] of believe sincerely that just calculate. I of as now. have useful. job Now, other's you more And-- thing a and be 1lot does each to Hatch. figure up, things ahead, have might it much your a everybody look from snarled I to [laugh] up road have and works, do that about involves complicate did. That's Yeah, don't ball, you take engineer. side it to lot Peak, if sure a chief and guess, crystal keep make you means of that ahead, want talked chief-engineer plan have terms suppose that you don't Farnsworth in what time, job--I time--but manager you your have to it. He at operator at the in all of wound up Ogden George Hatch's well various with guy businesses, it. good He's credit. made You businessman. You You bet. actually, worked of Abe Heftel 1left and went could to House did like Cecil. congressman from Hawaii. always I the line. And no eyes and probably why property he in into went Representative thought I the I wrong the out, when in is of the he's and is That sold give station do manage they to bottom true, right. extremely credit. the probably when then him around no got that's Hatch done a was he guy. nice a he's many. how crowd. a a Very different you're So CA: Okay. How are going to make horizon probably it work? run a heard 60 out stand five feet peach of plant? this there's And lying that's Okay, now. tall. a guy. these? to to going we know don't different. very George, a he's but guy, engineer chief Bl You've than even he's sure exactly doesn't he him, not I'm little-bitty He's the find you when well, there back still--he's he's But I terms. few a for been has he and Hawaii, on do has You give hey George KLO politics, fellow. was could and Hawaii, in which Glassman, Cecil to And, he grow. scuttlebutt there, Cecil So betcha. the it got Talented and lot out of always there talk to How are we something trap 1lately you. about radiation should have August Eliye last the all and talk No. call an engineering Electronic interference. CA: Yeah, it gives you the feel put them Very oven, in I EhingEse Dol transmitters? Utah not you can cook put somebody But when you'd know. okay we're now peeple Ayoulicook And that is 61 what this it. If you a the front « in is all you correct get to on people so cook in you back law people. could you oven, a can you microwave a that thing law The tissue. fortunately and Hey, material. the immediately, oven. don't transmitters, to A-bomb the write to Well, it. from cancer How real. of We're same the It's against be to ought effects microwave meeting destroy not ought They sunburn. The associated Now tissue does damage. cause can get in So responded. many radiation. non-ionizing Bl wouldn't ago. facility. destroys That the It years here. radiation, sunburn. They state the in your non-ionizing is who's very Not from ionizing. is type staff or done. serious. my radiation. A-bomb This fifty got together twenty been has forty, for of engineers radiation is talking one talk matter the group about been nothing but summer Smote has something year, the get This done last Anyway, This years, forty thirty, with hazards. people. microwave around to same, same of the about. So this would the public. It could be concerned, roof be of employee either. it's one public, an far strictly of you As problem as buildings big towns necessarily Farnsworth employee. the not If we Peak were downtown, it is on the would be see. That'srright. And you all those this get in big wunder buildings some hazardous. But not true enough half-truth, lot of you hysteria they're not So the hired that problem If there it; so, up is It's we "stem we it local about to to know going it's to be Health involved, people we it? but in some can't live As the In October find stern". awfully and that radiation, we're 62 the ecould I want before Safety jurisdiction. my an have is are exaggerated to FCC do of there There's the And extremely moment lot laws measure problem, do So expert to there, let's a York, them. be going local under is 'best a it. will down", hill the New on can out. involved, What Peak Farnsworth are nonsense making this engineer, There enforcing okay. at and towers |[Occupational is are got right out. OSHA locations with. see, facts. Administration] have Chicago circumstances non-fact corrected. like to have the law. I to "shook we a there's If about go to and chief once. at it to So correct we did that in October, first. found And out we we've some live with correct of money [END OF We've this, TAPE them. which to AND 63 But a OF we of some do. had shelled more We some out than totalled lot January cooperatively, corrections explore END was all and done I on always But So, think, positive We clean. them. I effect surprises. can report. as took squeaky dollars, such law were something original sense, to the we amount thousand with We got proper got that problems. and INTERVIEW] three to come this is the in one suffering of the the up unknown. THIS JULY IS 16, TAPE TWO OF AN INTERVIEW 1986. THE INTERVIEWER IS Anyway, it we typed got up I broadcasters dead this mailed who silence. breath or meeting there report a are would a had lot of as had are a been one AIDS call ANDERTON soon each that I I and to ones So there be copy think something. was--if out, the You'd WITH CLOYDE TIM LARSON. as of dead people the thing I got our FM involved, and or bad VD meeting. knives ON or or And guns around. that there, Absolute hostility. Because Oh they yes, There's some saw and money. actually some things things that that have to said, "Okay, think about it, with some suggestions, meeting," said, look, which "Okay, we way." reasonably defused. up said got two radiation they promised So, put And up to you to this to you in a And to tackle this got that have we and month another worse. reasonable and over have we've got bad. anyway, was have anyway, now So we'll that that corrected; read back and We've be attended. get and stations would. to I'll going signs. be don't did we're different We've why and have isn't so we in the a thing cooperation. promised to put They haven't done it, but they we've got stations that have flashing 64 red two warning lights. They CLOYDE ANDERTON haven't some SO, #2 done that just anyway, that handle What an it. that I'm going and have for instance, more public? I have got hell, you know. And do to the down and have do I got have to things line. got handle TV to it. Channel operation site the chief the operating it. as stupid unseen of And we're going to be patient, keep the to have you tenants down, and things on, valley and back to attitude. any the and not, we've of part these done you And problem, doing get positive Now, one with it's to. what do but it. a was: I to I'm take to fail, have so on go was or management, pressure to engineering Nothing, succeed promised unanticipated, Succeed does Five? us this along it's they question Well, comes But but tell the engineer? CA: it, AM's the radiation the of which are reason is with that? I in the have no jurisdiction there. TL: Is a problem you that CA: I any there said, need think know they're that? with but do got to I you flashing they what problem more do isolated, you mean think lights there's 65 think there's‘ squeaky clean, are problems some signs? and They you were there problems with. Do than have nobody they are this around. going to advantage: On the CLOYDE ANDERTON #2 mountains The we're public come and don't, is go miles on but have isolated. the they become away. have known, the it does in at that, and it now in,; he what get away and go don't area for in personnel to five know where is the 1s that can they work. will TV 66 or their to and centers are isolation. get may most FM their have to transmitters The the know out like us. more are something lead as coming that fifty-thousand-watt thousand look don't I They as new a standard methods maintenance very standard case, keep In cool broadcasters the some There's to population from on basically taking Stations do. facts medical eye. adequate the make special low-band AM they very, radiation the to plant tissue. is the like to people medical circulation pertains this AM the that their from the cools thinks require may They of made, they're if lot were So fortunate extremely a radiation tissue. miles thirty twenty, of It's to involved. researching isn't if not new it going they're Some but And, restrictives at blood blood going they're Out effects cool. it as is, is have they're the the circulation, blood we measurements can't It minimal. But few. the well how cartilage, the a and Radiation upon based public mountain. concern'including animals. The stations. that. critical That's I CLOYDE ANDERTON the Lt Is #2 place this The where in that only VHF is for TV. would Well, So it's not a FM, and CA: Well, with AM? half You show wave-length in tall. standards are allowed At the-- ten to Ten squared. and that's simply the U-band TV where the And what The is happens? up Is TVs And 67 for it you of AM. the There and is VHF, there's the as and big it have a to the and FMs microwave five. susceptible injury? be Is be a several The AM chart). the is think would standard. (on the chart--I AM the which most it For here band watts-- is here is because You'd This ten. body birds, standards here. low-band up dirty think the antenna. feet inches), low antennas. thousand you standard (3 and megahertz, don't Fifty thousand area T a me tall the a excellent FM frequencies the an on problem with essentially He's that We're particularly is signal a medium TV. being excellent really the there's the only like that antenna. up just the let human microwaves. problem problem a were not kilohertz, makes tall we're Megahertz. that that we the pinches. group? picking If be see. Th same wave-length antenna shoe thing interesting half the it to fall here, and some This is of the radio. disease? What CLOYDE ANDERTON is it #2 that affects the--what happens to the knees the joints? Well-Ths I mean we're not where you We're talking Are have talking cancer about like or radiation, the ionized a certain something. cancer. we? We're Even talking with Yes, about-- this? we're talking functions of painters have the about body. an failure They have awful 1lot and since as bad of found that tower knee and ankle heard about of problems. Do they? I've my checked that knees are [chuckle] Now see. You There's There most to There there anything, as doing 1like imagine. But self but permanent is is marvelous healing, is I'm I've they the used public this. to be. does, you still-- possibility. is. extremes twice begin a out a a possibility danger. machine. It maintaining, only damage. up to And 68 The and a human 1is carried body completely forgiving point. that's and Beyond what of that they're is to the self almost there trying CLOYDE T ANDERTON to do So you're is #2 learn how this satisfied permanent that they damage are is really caused. working on e Oh yeah, is overly they're opinion protective on Some guys week. And first let of that. get I've "Sure, say, the sunburn how easy I sunburn. "That's worst you see. They the to ought as anyway, profession a to get do what's does And handle these hats they I up sensitive." against getting you that hat?" very are and put got cause skin cancer that's what we're engineer chief and law a pass time. of kind on said, here So is pass sun. sunburn because period to I 1last was easily, we've had but II, radiation are ears it, Closer your radiation my on War I I my you, it brim-hat, World just with And And and law in this radiation hat." broad think mountain. out hats". ultraviolet, a big the go I that's about radiation a it. then on I'll wore believe they joke on got "digger a on but worrying my Aussies wouldn't and have there me working really, so--"Come the called I up funny. that really everything on this, necessary. 69 up go I else find out to to sunburned it's if iooking the try what's site and a over ForSoe and my cooperate going on and CLOYDE TL CA: ANDERTON That's #2 to your know what very expensive be. But and it Yes, the if down it needs needs to be done. you hate to because involved. true there's a is. be going it what Wit is' something about it. That's ignoring it something worse. I Sout" have two in iron Oh matters Is No, But it I or as would still I'm something much fun say something. yoeu less These it can is vif to anddo expensive in are And ‘But handle is than the mud or easy, not too a having soldering basically now with a mechanic. a i That's tenants over I Silot love "more radiation else. as probably you're money to stuck and whatever? or wrestling than rewarding distrust way fwith " my"®handsti things EoldoM this, that ‘as to .like something.: lot going be issue, ‘you day-to-day the Yes, sure. yes, questions. hand your a you're miss you Do heavy. best don't people of you asifsoon! wuntil last kinds cest the you a suspicion problem, find are something cost you conceivably it's all to "may" could done, a because popular undertake there's is It how generate It's that!s really side then to going It and anytime you're PTic credit. it not. obviously 70 was? glad you are where you CLOYDE ANDERTON #2 are. Well, yeah, that the the operation diversified that the them to the Or field get from right. to do it?" to do it, begging If have it. to It world keep on has and environment nonsense here way for going to years I my make staff is I keep them have a you don't I say, to have got off the decent asked to job changed. why do to it. I good do that "Well, has feel didn't Or a job. _ so was ago can "junk". and so intertwined thirty only is become so there the somebody I It's do about do it, it. was copping I take somebody becomes you changing, and flexible. You asked out it else nothing have of it's or as a would wvalue. going changing. about very you're like looks quality has up down standpoint done. I challenge. my mountain And this And and do knew nobody's Well, off. to I work else from complicated problems or the anymore. anything That's The so productive insulate line on that exist mountain TES and job doesn't good bottom have that you. Anyway-I promise engineers and what's you, at the the KSL last overall crop in 7L question. with Salt others Lake? Is Compare in it Salt good? your Lake, Be it CLOYDE ANDERTON KSL or #2 otherwise. Of engineers? Uh huh. The them. Now, World War FCC "We "We have say the the as in broadcasters changed where license, and up you I to don't the have know fact 72 that have to that people the no is there their in has low fulfillment, an are pay, no elsewhere. going they until persisted don't just They're job. the no cooperation, no first-phone qualified the saying, is FCC many because broadcasting in challenge, is problem aren't people industry broadcast The people. and times no wised You ten staying yet our issued not The maintain And employment." pleasure can't them?" the the pushing said, hire as licenses as They we can How there. soon as operator. these hire for there thing We license, a have to got they chief young licensing first-class can't we because station began people. these hire can't broadcasters their for had they that well, the with away do to the ended II back, aware were you if the nothing there's is that for reason the And good. broadcasting. into coming not are people brilliant very that is it, see I as thing, distressing is crop the think I actually, well Yeah, got FCC the law operators broadcasters have whether it's matter CLOYDE ANDERTON a license or not don't And they're the better over. and appreciated it, they'd to going What's CA: here aren't What happens when of the got Vince the like people to going they Are to able be but Vince guy, short "fight" scrapper. for found everything He's not he afraid 78 out got. of particularly Vince know, You left. Clayton being must really good life he is a anybody or anything, So a he in early in broadcasters greatly, eroded has it the of any shot, 1long a by best, the Industry- so. hope I them. of of attitude engineering area, one the that hope I available. are has still KSL really hire will station since got people the Well, the them job? the wide phone part a we've mean I we've anymore? sorts paid had retiring, retiring. Clayton's have broadcasting. though, happen, Smith's Howard in here be still they scattered them made and work their that They're industry broadcast the if And all else. the company, if And all for working NASA. or EIMAC, SOERRY, company, so And a out found have power the people: other of get somewhere else. they're And to pay. to have and out going work to somewhere are jobs you're to going find to going if going you're broadcasting. left do license, they're pay, You you a person, qualified s #2 and CLOYDE ANDERTON he's I an had He #2 engineer a wonderful fought KSL you that KSL ever thirty He had is-- Not the through. at with the one of for least. him. engineering believe, was going years him for wouldn't now. and interview battles that miss through and the them department won them, greatest in the And the for anything. fellow and things last we that twenty that at or replaced same. --passivist. comparison. In Anyway-- understand. I no, No, fight wouldn't he Yeah, just not care. And Vince just for fight to afraid wasn't doesn't just He type. scrapping the He's good engineering. Ths: I have been. I've had common CAZ Yes, best ground of view, of view you that but has, everybody were both as candid, you myself. there to trying was that keep what KSL. for we're convinced that scraps few sure I'm Yes, was a completely was He that. gathered to trying what's isn't the the do best same. 74 what is thing, But right and anyway, from our point maybe our point if I know what CLOYDE ANDERTON #2 your point view is, middle both of maybe that look. was to Vince the hired me. he? No, he Oh, I It was see, what my can see something over here overlooking, I ever might not where had with have won, point in we Vince, but the should I I of think learned something. scrap. said, me '41 '41? during that to the Christmas holidays in '55. C. I came Richard through Evans looking and they for a job. just didn't opening. '41 here, know for-- in an you scrap I you hired talked In I In, and learned have Did have CA: I is both Every productive. Had TL: we we're something. I view it so was you tried to broadcast could get stay on get a quite from perspective. Thirty-one job. years, '55 was television here. here could radio. Well, for fifteen that's true, future? What years but before that's I not huh? Yes. What do for? What you see does in it Personally? Well, projects mind in the look I on like still the 75 for are you looking you? have mountain a couple that I of feel major I need CLOYDE ANDERTON to #2 complete. couple go of in with I'm with the And to another Do you management stick at this but I'm year. And I any point that to try hopes around some that, everything there's to than up with new if going more fixed fight hopeless, TLe have them and going. I do going am going have and of and I'm I getting to get If to have to fight something getting it. a it it done, appears to appeal interest. want to tip your hand to what those projects are? CA: [laughter] Well, equipment but on the at the night. have you on to deliver a been and using money newest if not going As long piece in it, what sell as without--just you've it, it of to you paid. we're on the like the air aside their was working I air, you last we transmitter-- you've got sell you've got it, paid If can't Hey, on equipment TV get it. else. business to delivers 76 a got get shame, something main old "crying" for I our got and a really transmission kind you've is to of some setting what But any product, you is mountain. transmitter and it's has understand have and company the to got mountain, moment--this The we've the amortization So yeah, for you it. The produce it, deliver am taken we it, for don't breathe, the you're granted. need water this you CLOYDE ANDERTON drink. If business lot #2 of you and My the time from over guys just to doing. anyway as the newest The money has spent when we project all of did on and that thing is We in the was every lots things about was twenty in it keep it from of easy. from--if before what was the we're totally year 1975. years now. The got back-up was it to of years and a That's all And equipment, seven that that. the we on that But with rebuilding amortized ago. black I worked after of transmitter, monochrome, color. totally years about we Our there, that week. "society" worry else. modifications Especially If in and that, eleven year a spent. converted '56 obsolete the been somewhere it to fix the have come transmitter of I of seconds only--that's first That's been put white. the two doesn't backs out last than that is So think less newest the one. Been and of back. breakdown, that's our I their a station my And And bust the on lost have and is year. really breakdown, amortized air, that. we the going But the burden failure, they're TL S off pressure equipment air go from still electronic years. That's progressed too we 1967, use that equipment because of fast. electronic. never, this. never But changed, they /il do you change. wouldn't You have must get to a CLOYDE ANDERTON new #2 car, not because That you got means to the Three and last fall, and a the I using with this it's In available and are months. on the replaced. all right. on the And I It's had to battery, new tires, new module. wake up. RCA, rust fine. the grill and paint and new power steering, all new water pump Now, if We're RCA to you fuel think we're it, we're not It's the same way make is and doing all. and and them a at equipment told replace new a mountain running windshield totally on days on These of that's we're nothing this out, some anyway, there's delivery year out matters of worse business. transmitters? been these ninth new all they of take lifetime it efficiently Yes, But we in hey, broadcast years. a truck put old nearly its but the correct ignition money And model, transportation. and all money, new gate, new saving get a tail a new is expenditures alternator, shocks, car. is it's some vehicle, new years can't fender, pump, a want dependable this okay, have you have mountain, site, I to getting mountain. But because going we equipment fellows that 78 and parts that got to for equipment to be can varies were haven't for fifteen or replaced, be "dead do them in the water", it. Indeed about from going one six down to the twelve hall CLOYDE ANDERTON #2 when you came best delivery six weeks. Tl Ooo-- CA: That's TL: A of ¥eah, Pl CA: Or and a money you full signal-- about doomed to "Anderton, you RS up. when, but Time will now a is year I And I the point you're Because it will The forty- that is? then I going to make time will it a "Hey, you guys up." if it, 9 talking know how company do out to and eventually. I get if it getting I can't, before and to but got much it for I it. problem I'm to have do I if meeting, long a But fired cop have itself. going Now, as--let's don't the get across. far you to council here do you do I'm of out get it might next if wake and owe up. as across, Now dollars, failure, if but out correct long. And the signal message hurt? in better blows to this. down. will too done. get close along, the cleaned to about tektronico how the time to rambunctious got get get going be on you're million mess talking months. limp this 1.2 that's can if surely, done this half could somehow have get know even say, can were right. can't Surely, we can you that's you we And ten lot in, have if I'm decide, fade away, this thing don't know CLOYDE CA: ANDERTON And it lose up #2 could one for become major our assume that who and Yeah, We do but got until and one on Where every are go to "Hey, we've need Then you your we an going got a immediate go to extra transmitter you back we order." take to let's say, give parts we transmitter, and let's we'll no If to that hundred and find then someone that? then big, we new down "Hey, yours." a suddenly. are desperate, has say, and will buy that's thousand, who to very there manufacturer replacement reorder And we're transmitter person problem component, RCA. transmitter a you've big can got bucks, get it. big bucks. and we And still that have can to get wait pretty expensive. Plos Because they don't have them on the shelf for so long. That's They right. get That's they an right have somebody then order, an and a new kind of thing buyer you manufacture don't Now one bankrupt, find they they order. ordered went then you and and to take want to might made now 80 start the it be a it. making get down it until lucky. Maybe payment manufacturer over. lucky Hey, about. on it wants to that's the ~—— CLOYDE TL: ANDERTON But #2 you've country too got a that may lot of be other stations looking for around that same the kind of luck. CA: Your chances chance Tl If as a of snowball you're a percentages? up to I have date straight. know down at the And to of betting trampled of I go is in hell. person, in you for eight if I've got tell you know, your getting ridiculed year I'll same idea? and decide Boscoe, the are of any mud every to But what have the meeting back. about fifty/fifty you tried Robbie off surviving equipment--do out stamina that Eight/twenty, been kicked pulling you and years enough something. the great You player BYU? Yes. Okay, take this don't like him take MacMahan quarterback, supposed in the times out in in to his take or a one of you're the one of is to process of doing a row for front to times a me. row. view, at you all an 81 eye, and I okay, you're get sacked those So been see the you're you. just you what except protecting I've you're and So, if somewhere-- Okay, team, and or from points. that Boscoe, open the reason aren't I of others. score no I'm point quarterback do happened in from guys that's sacked that ten ten stupid- CLOYDE ANDERTON shaped to #2 little take pigskin that and bury had it. it and I 1look until just That of feeling to try. On the of me not myself, one try going to if you see, there's never guy's try. made noticed bowlegged. That's I yeah, so of that Jjust I've to I've thralls that and my way have got time. more ten the of many remember including be to going nobody's that make you If for You the that got bleachers and know, is succeed. right. that's Yes, I've fail you that times in thinking the me. way that idea hand, other near linebacker you my behind other And to got I've And still morning sorry You're you. the me. an it I'm up this gives around burley out there. bring while mean, mincemeat thing don't But, defeat, huge, damn over touchdown, it will something. When you a make difference. I you've think your before get you out of I'd up. there a up, out It's of the just get you game." given anything to have the hospital in a to 82 that very good up That's that like say "Hey, of, concept whole roughed been confidence helicopter. fly this in psychology There's through. you're through, you're again you tell to want deal been if you and try to keep the on able helicopter to that CLOYDE ANDERTON day. For I'm down. that chance, going IE to be. you the Pliys And I don't I'm back it goes okay, yeur a try you the got fault, four-year Yeah, Vince is a I be This ends Farnsworth get up, it's you've got to takes a had do it over and idea. right. that's in the guy. getting the Peak that commend great busy He'd while don't you've psychology quit difficult roughed but that's and you're spirit. and more way you're--interestingly great to again. psychology like want often get-back-on-the-horse Clayton, CA: if true. Sounds reason longer And That's Tlas And Tetwasn'e makes good very the again. Yes, #2 I I for wish Manager, with Chief he beings Mr. very run. meeting think Vince you've got Wonderful. were matters Cloyde Engineer [END OF INTERVIEW] 83 human that. engineering interview there's after mold. you And still around. improved. W. at Anderton, KSL/TV. SUMMARY CLOYDE W. VITA ANDERTON Business: KSI~TV Broadcast Salt Lake Tel. Personal: House City, Utah Married - four childr X 7 84180-5555 [phone] gr.chil PROFESSIONAL EXPERTENCE Chief Transmission Engineer/Chief Operator 1956 - present Chief 1945 Supervisor of Engineering: 1956 jo- Engineer/Department 1945 Transmission Engineer: Manager: Field Service/Flight Engineer: 1941 - 1944 1940 - 1941 1937 - 1940 Salesman: Forsey Technician: Station & Sound: Peak Antenna Co. KTFI, Twin Richfield Huish Farm (Radio) Salt Lake City Falls, Idaho Lockheed/Vega Aircraft Distributing Film Farnsworth IMN/KLO/KALL Radio KSI~TV Theatres: Burbank, Calif. Utah Richfield, Utah EDUCATION 1976 - 1584 7 1976 National Association of Broadcasters: Dynamics of Motivational - Alexander Hamilton Inst. 1962 1950 1948 - 1949 1945 1944 1941 - 1943 National University U.S.Navy U.S.Signal Engineering of Utah Extension (Idahq) by Correspondence Div. examination: Corp.(Utah) (each year) Management: SMI Group Certificate Business Management Correspondence Study Study Course History & Mathematics Certification by exam: as Training Program National Correspondence Inst. Richfield (Utah) High Course (Certificate) (Certificates) Radio Engineer Certification as Radio Engineer Civilian Pilot AND PUBLIC 19?6 - present TV Seminars Calif.Institute of Technology Pasadena Calif. EMSWT Courses Certificates in Engineering and Mathematics FCC Los Angeles by examination: License RadioTelephone First 1941 1940- 1941 1938- 1940 1938 CIVIC Inst.: Engineering (Utah) Study School Pilots Course: Class License Radio - Valedictorian Technology at graduation SERVICE Society of Broadcast Engineers Member Certification as Senior Broadcast Engineer - 1977 Charter Member Sertoma Club: Life Member, 1962, Officer 1962 (Utah) 1955 - present Institute of Radio Engineers (International) Member 1955 - present Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers (International) Member Member: Life Member 1984 1953 - present Sons of Utah Pioneers 1958 oo - 1935 - present 1932 - 1962 U. S. Gov., For WWII Activity: FBI Security Clearance: Top Secret (HAM) Amateur Radio License & Operator presently K7LBB activity primarily in the frequency range beyond todays Boy Scouts and duty also for Active in Citizens of America at the local the district Church for Better director, in TV, also & Idaho level and & council duties Classroom Audio, - Utah and Measurement as I have counselor Officer in the held office Bountiful Utah A teacher subjects. every & examiner : Group. History Western and Church Organizations, also served level. Assignments. Government lecturer, & California. technology for various Also (LDS). History Advanced Family Techologies and Officer in two Family Genealogy. PROFESSTIONAL CLOYDE W. OBJECTIVES ANDERTON KSL TV FARNSWORTH PROFESSTONAL PEAK DEPARTMENT OBJECTIVES: 5 year and 10 year and 20 year: I.1LOOK AHEAD a. See the Future b. Plan the Future c. Be ready to Succeed g THE a. Provide FIRST TO a OBJECTIVES PROFESSIONAL I. BE ACHIEVE Path -5 for the followers to "follow" Year Continue the unfinished Goals of 10 years lack of funding or cancelied funding. To corporate A. management Transmitters 1. 2. will ago - that were move as rapidly Our newest transmitter obsolete for 10 years. our product to our customers - the public) is 17 years old and has been amortized We must maintain "State Of The Art" leadership. Replacement Need is NOW. Our second transmitter is 32 years old advent are not available. Replacement Need has and years 25 than more TV Color of by allow: (That deliver the delayed as the Parts ago. since obsolete been and service for is NOW. Correction of snow-collapse hazard on our main transmitter building. This work was started 12 years ago but stopped by withdrawl of’ funding. We should prioritize better and save ourselves the inconvience and loss of winter-time collapse. Treating the "Symptom" does not Replace with up cure the problem - but costs just obsolete and inadequate operational and to date hardware to serve our needs. Enlarge and design our site to provide for that they request and will pay to obtain. PROFESSIONAL I. II. OBJECTIVES Then, - with Move 10 the unto Departments News and Sound the same. service tenant repeater equipment rental base as antennas to the needs technology. , until of they be useable/compatable Year above needs services. transmission Channel Multi new Continue TV our Radio coverage their for Redesign the and TV the Improve need the the all are 1990's. completed as needed. with A LIST CLOYDE W, OF OBSERVATIONS AND IDEAS ANDERTON KSI-TV Farnsworth I. Bonneville A, Peak and i sugges? KSI~TV t?at leadership BI Farnsworth Bonneville's in the Farnsworth Peak KSI~TV to and and field of Peak main Strengths. strength is it's World Wide Recognized Broadcasting. Our Since becoming Operations as farm successful, from as well Bonneville KSL's lies stations operation to start KSTU Professional strength broadcast antenna Lake area. and greatest other direction ($1.00/year) Salt My Personal many stations On services the the FM services. in Departments beyond. 9 current A. and KSL's greatest strength is it's recognized "Leadership-Roll" in the field of Broadcasting. It s "looked to" for the setting of Standards and quality in Broadcasting. area as it's serving service the has made KSL the many other International channel strength in 20 ar supports we Wasatch TV, and communications provided other Front the free ensure their many to success broadcasters. Satisfactions. the Chief Operator at KSI-TV, the TASCO 1, from their inspections. FCC has This is as is We have on be technical quality standards and business integrity. an impossible task -- we have achieved 99%. A great rated the KSL as high a rating possible. earned the respect and the co-operation of all who use the site, to This was thought effort, a great achievement. KSI-TV lost air been reduced to careful time from transmission problems at Farnsworth Peak has a negligible amount. This was accomplished by our very and thorough and freguent (repair in advance) maintenance procedures. We have had no employee turn over in the past 6 years. We have not increased our staff - but worked harder and held the line with added work load. We have had no absentism during the past 10 years and only during one year did we have E. any sick plant Our or sees Helpful is leave paid the envy in the the of entire industry our - yet management own never visits : : Suggestions: that getting need tc change We need to learn how to communicate We need to learn how to express We need to prioritize efficiently. excellent are We more department. it}! nue the procedures A, _conti tij.tjot:d II. Department more individuals Zxto within appreciation appropriately results improving) (or excellent our own - or "TEAM" company to and fairly take and and the workers. groups. time to utilize to do so. our funds