Joe Lee, Salt Lake City, Utah: an interview by Tim Larson

Transcript (88 pages) of interview by Tim Larson with Joe Lee, radio broadcasting legend Joe Lee of KSL, on July 20, 1988. This interview is no. 230 in the Everett L. Cooley Oral History Project, and tape nos. 828, 829, and 830

Lee (b. 1920) recalls his career in radio and television broadcasting in Utah, 1940s-1980s, at stations KOVO, KDYL, KNAK, KCPK, Channel 4, and finally Channel 13. Interviewer: Tim Larson

JOE LEE [ “(g" N N o8 (e - | UNVERSTY X OF vl UTAH EVERETT EL’T?T'flQ ggté&vm 84112 L. COOLEY ORAL HISTORY COLLECTION 4%%5;;/ Date I willingly 19 ng to scholarly contribute the Library my of testimony the recorded University of on(:g;; Utah to be s LR A ?254 used for purposes. r é: Open Usable and usable with the after my review. following restrictions: 2 A7 //OZO_/&@ nterviewee e e /,L/m Interviewer g //c5/7 A1/ 7 1988. 20, IS JULY THE DATE JOE LEE. MR. INTERVIEWING I'M LARSON [TIM 13. CITY--CHANNEL LAKE IN SALT AT KSTU WE'RE HISTORY ORAL COOLEY EVERETT THE FOR INTERVIEWER THE IS BROJECT & “RARESE Rl i For the to read. I Joe Lee on the air, is SRS Joe JL: Home IS Yes. J I 2257 . And the address? Street, Salt and Lee, address? Texas the 84109. IS And JL: 467-0124. iRIEE And JL: November TIck: [ d NI le NS ioR tne for bringing Lake City. zip? JL: Jls sign. I name the telepnone number. nhistorical 10, purposes, your birtnh and st air CANW RC DN RN your education it and e S a biout nhow UsHtakeMENrom” AN Ehiornasandesrahised s Toin RS attended tne Schnool. time I music. I wia s Tooele High was date? 1920. insbreadeasting.llet was wnich Lee C. Josepn than rather and always I've name the that's because name your like you would how Joe, transcript think used IE 1 One schools, of growing That was my up and the you got the era in the involved Tooele from interests middle of up-= there!. graduated chief your and Big and Tooele during late Bands the '30s and I JOE LEE #1 to sound my The could. you fact I [laughter] good sizenifors Then I BYU. I wanted mignht but be, diciwmi s & h elseran at department nis heads of I KBYU. We think KOVO had also I to what I music SiriciailfllyMNgaitasiEiain tled in. the drama BYU. sound came and some campus a as mind® to went and and That's departments. starting ‘daysi band on the in active was I Katherine, wife, realilysins anythingh havie Eholsie education music a pursue to pretty 1939, in Tooele from int foviEbiallil 'sScihcoli hilght a was I but then, slimmer was graduated diidnt won and High that. in letter dnidrama ac tivie Tooele at football played and music and so and it, of got I But another. Iwa s e al waysh hilked St hatpar sing, could I side acting the from well pretty or way one in you hign junior in that not and plays quite always was I or Goodman Benny like big the of were we But somebody. draft they'd along Jle wanted several in school e course fin | dramatiicisitoonmeiMsitiaried acitiiviel LN Of or Dorsey Tommy but we and era band own. my of band dance a had later Tooele, in bands dance some in played Dr. when and Dr. And of radio Alonzo that 2 air Earl Pardoe and were the Morley time they were station whicn later and about that studios the T. in something just became time around 1939 I JOE LEE #1 ar st40k Tl Tolboe? I Yes. Cliff now Tolboe President Bonneville a Emeritus weekly Elaak ¥s e where during near the been 1941, KSL s JiL: my Jack I Arch Madsen, suppose was program fresnhman of KOVO my and the manager. for KOVO, had an year opening Jack Davies wno of Anyway, we I thnink intradiels This year and tnen would have wnicrh for is say and sophomore sopnomore who you'd reaillilyisotiiniterestieds Lawson nis name? Davies he nimself their same man, members. George they days, fitnalt sdxi., two announcers. became he out I went for an a well thnink of the TnlenWefs about I known people intern basis, but I dfilnal that they wasn't one dejleetedy 3 agltnat, they those T us tne male of in made the in tne chosen would of at among of one years. unheard was ¥six was KOVO BYU sixty I called few left at ne and a almost sixty, thie KSL quite (botn were Later to audition announcers three dactle nimself. Killian, choose fa but had but and call announcers Women audition to Davies, staff time) those used Lawson Anotner wds and announcer. Wnat's of il end remember owner, International produced was was wanted start tnree thought, to on an so well, I JOE LEE #1 that st the Yendofiny begins. This is people that were difficulty in the I had had do in turntables--a type of after I in radio. So maybe I could hilke S EnatiwAndi me working through I'd to always out #sop invited a at on down on shift. a So pretty a a a a sat didn't and it more I record was, off it you expensive. worked out sudiiidin ' things. We pretty a didn't good thebotherime u they were having little have asked morning down at and the L if for try mike. reading usoding s tor bie in those days because done live and was more tape because .l use d ireector was Everything know, we | priogriams announcing. everytning and that ability in board something radio everytning, picture or disiarealilsy ypar amo untasEfsvoN Yre read motion Sunday whilen§ you station. table that good Particularly know, small console Sunday I having you o fistinie®people, again the turntables-a as ShiitrligBitacke thiel come nhad dtwe (even of were and transcription out Two board, that using found the try and it titlen diif £ icul ¢« for working Tooele dififiicultysiwiith the everytning experience projectionist three s of sbefore 1941. final Nehtwas S to of operate coordination you had the to thiepiclonsiel'emboiakd because winter in learning them--the nadilcicareen recording complicated in the andywl g jumped disc those days. technical right you into and So part it. JOE LEE #1 Meanwhile, 81 piriale t e itn'e kind’ of" prepared Srelaidiiiniziailioclufd U'n'fo rit un altie llyS nlobleidiy anneunicieir s SIS technique, Se It REne Archh Lee have a and ke’ me in which of my says, And ¥a I career. Arch dialy: s Yo getting a meager as €lfairtiic chance We you’ were job in wages tntere. couple for So us. of times and Why in, and my heart was very lot was the o I and 1942 in tnose were minimum was think, beating be work, the an tihe very of “time hour." was wage days, lot "al ' part cents NS you complementary, tvouson fRECE said, could of thirey-five and don't went tnis know. Anyway, I thougnt CihiiinikiN 1941 you "tihtiteit yi=ifiiivie S clent's it zio GRS CloR it, director, Nillie S tioMSsitiain and ‘radio doing needa fat buit by Monday because 'Rours, wage a of flerenit ¥ 'St yd e s and a me." kind RS air out see e f¥ic our siewithraich prevailing "afliofuid program work was "Neow: flew it the the and Bellph,SEbluit s wellid basis ; on might minute beginning develop Black, day e rieialdiss by *n e W S'p a p'ers. hadiNnadisailiit tltel jlumipt come next mile you boy nim S finioim SISCIENc heard Shirl "Tnat a T Madsen called tne and myself in the those Mcontext of difficult. As my future wife eMBrackieni o M TioplellleMwalsIw i1l ng ‘to living in poverty a announcer. on married management showed in with November their 5 of generosity radio 1941. by The take a KOVO increasing my JOE LEE #1 from Pearl Harbor occurred maor i adi.dse less than a month after scon turned in a walsEiinisthe middle of a sradieoicianeers my di Fifier entiidiieecitiilont I newscast bulletin ine s il when on the B2 With i Yean, tnis state was know, tre the world outbreak is sledge the had a day nammer this week. I because, But you we ‘hadl Director; tne know, community ratner think young ne sometime. general was manager I like and ten. I I put think I effects relations Tolboe was a owner, gentleman 6 me on worked weekends. known Program in Provo. of real weekends Black, the using worked Shiril from made a they off in I was istaff well You thnat works activist tre Tooele think always was that and tne man an and at thougnht out to out new community Cliff two Lawrence as age worked I remember the asgood Jimmy and So from a worked day. shift days nad summers, it from depression. sometning an six the or Anyway, came same. broke there all were everythning. of I we Harbor but the really done, of Pearl be and out opportunity. afternoon to war war couple of thedtime, never coming I a dollars was of just for ifEat before work smelter a first didni! & ¥ reailsiize’ moment five the on attack The montn. per 75.00 to 65.00 wage radio He'd in died a but I arthritis, director at BYU for and Madsen was by Arcn tne name of Garn JOE LEE {#1 Carter RIS What JIE Garn, TR G who was is his known, first G-A-R-N that was manager for many was He very was well years. This EEpariEaNafEAD rESISSSRICILTISG first job Snirl Black is director pernaps I or during tre Idano, it remember. tnat that K-E-A-R-L. JL s Wayne was major Do you A ne T big was have RIalERR manager he was I should tall a been sales thne actiually I knew nhad been of KFXD in Nampa, at KSL for they an TV on a very got my program Idaro. awhile. too. CBS TV in think that the He later Antonio, in in as 7 Antonio can't otner original group really a now? of but the general Portland, Texas out writer, became hiavien"titialked San I the was years. re's Boise. K-E-A-R-L. hired station San of writer. Wayne or too Kearl, department station many out Wayne outstanding announcing of kept was Nampa mention snifsy iriet 'nementig I many, and would last Caldwell, journalism manager ofi was Oh, TliEe doing tne war auditioned the man. where? tnink fellow Provo spelled? Shirl, JL: salesman. here. S-H-I-R-L. In a liked filp S EE 2 the name? Carter. fellow But Tlke well until to and the tne time Wayne for JOE RIS LEE {1 N msEsh)ine Canada, We but I'm started st St sure Wayne just outstanding enldainiES U P How JIE2 Well, long I Eren ailr was and 1942 until And you at still same in San time starting so from Antonio. and in ne had a radio and then 1942, at wnich assigned into KOVO? August the went on of kindtof of army and clalllledSiERthiel October wha£ at until into el I stay KOVO drafted Seonrps. days, the career did stayed time is originally RV then I Heis about really Tl Lo nlelt the gl ‘corps service from 1in those August of 1945, experiences did you nave in the service? JL: WelslSENo ot RN inCoM sIERNaINdESE fle e nitMic ind the ¥ serpvitlce wnich is NI SwastFactualiliy really provided the the radio point-to-point fhat bt sort "ofit signal it corp ranges, tNSel it In¥wrnat JL Well, the tne "that [ was A.A.C.S. air corp. We beacons, the towers, and radio radie in station work, in. v locatilon? I went' RBulsitica l§i PSS calilied homing wasHalli aNditf fleremestypeNoifthing Tl of tne communication, thilng was et N radiiel to astainid the SNielwiNGiiiela piptiinicist. S nie n S transferred back Southwest to firiomMst the 8 Pacific. N amid™ he States tinlen. I up was in RPN iipip iinles ™ I wnen they opened in the wa's what JOELEE {1 is now big called Pacific with all all the and so Travis Air hop-off the Force point. Pacific Base. Our group Islands, stations and the we went into springsoif T1945% andi you relay open That is that up. and and we knew everything That T isit alyledistnere the experienced know, points became was until in tne the war met, any in the ended. TL 2 Tnhat was ik s Yes. Uh AR Just by Travis chance, service JL: you I in the out to be State AEL Et'sta JL: His in California. tnat during base that witn several close nad trne time afterwards or nad same business. the head State. Is of it army friends, but My closest friend the English university we Department or college? anyway. is Donald close Hougnton, friends until H-0-U-G-H-T-0-N. nis death Siopmaze s My Switt eGuiC lsaiiiclerian became you universityinow. name remained anybody met toucned had Sacramento Sac' there you never turned for Base withn? yes. were was that that career Well, Force nuh. individual a Air acquainted good wnile fortune Don to and be T riaviisfeor gt nleawlfasitismonthis 9 diSniiist a we year or wi fiel,: Maxine, were overseas. We stationed togetner at oifst I just And h esiwar. wWe have JOE LEE #1 maintained Sincle vas wartime the our boktht buddy famous WQXR. for Doug a was Other twe an few ago. years 1945 in and set up He of the tcoullddomtiheisie music G.E. West his people were ended and you our until Tnese City, Pacific in with Harlan AACS our own Raymond death Stoebe, special came with programs were was war York on friendships with been Cniiings Another Iowa. has Soutn years Another New classical in the up. cryptograpners executive tne grew station were lasting Armstrong, attorney music We through Mackinnon. stations sideline. time. “famifliie’s Douglas Forces but friendship cur actually sEatiens i I of classical Armed as valuable a now an friends. back to Salt Lake? JiIEE Yes, and I wanted to get cour seflMEsitinlIS hadMtveR just seemed Madsen nad at if KSL been got in the gone to KSL November you o ninety anids be wanted to of can B KOVO in at MBYIlL e thning. and ne offered start up there. I dessiafiidt down guess, me but and go a dclflfar montn. sl I will pay a you Arch position would Cliff to be BYU and two have Tolboe foolish and get get paid nundred mon thinMaddifthiiont s Wnen ' I 10 Of Sand s that This BRNeliE S S vontl 1l nere Provo. Meanwhile, and S fEiintitshyourleduicatilon dollars sttt ideal 'd5, come to vie ar st oMz to MholidWoifiimicisan because taeN I back left JOE LEE #1 the United about up a to States hundred as and and high as So the big money. and out of Utah fifty two top course so two a you I'd hundred just turned to out RlE: Sure, and Jie Yies$ “unSnuh Pl Work in Jk: ATntd TS5 be you the was speech trhe huge industry You JIEE: In TLE: And then JilEe And so and graduated from we could in things dollars from turn a the down. It goals. e your at in they and rignt wnicn a They that KOVO stay Juse thnen. up education. aic B it vielitisn . Wes BYU set BYU got up from fifty was you really ireething your at to If away and finishing full-time effort were nldINSREFatvieid S communication career T all department radio move. deéartment. working major tnen best S nSiNsinte’d M tne was the achieved communications I more in month. been menth®plusaintiine tyNdeilillarMtiax government wage dollars hundred of toucn, the so with Einle Lideiielss i didn't nave nave now. tnat But became my radio station. a year, and thnen to come to Salt year. 1947. what I happened? stayed with KOVO like everybody in Ilake if going tol and one auditions you're at KSL Utan for you 11 be at about wanted in radio. wnat was I made then several KDYL, the JOE LEE #1 old KDYL NBC. director up RES KDYL there. their thiel thatl airy they were that, so Now it camel FM wnich was get s\EMEor be a good the fior the was mucn tnose during wnhich all new in a S JILiE floor. worked from days, was the big baby that same We one had to would in Kay nired KSkiwas ins thenlUnienSPaciifiiics B lid 2inige do certain and were trying in that those studios FM, to was days, and other. Trilbune S lielegramtBulliding 12 separate building, the F.M. thing, adjoining ignel QUSSP you was tney Building KSERin thie people including s TV, it we Telegram e sy firs ‘and combination. shift the sixtn No,;, on opening. KDYLE? JJILE 1948 radio salilofitthiems pretty in so were come of go air? tne Wast hadn't Were and just TV started. Tribune we of tney just the so some to called on and nad brand underway FM to radio AM, the bit. 1948 director, And on use out simul-cast programs little in onthelainiiiingApmidl. to everytning operation. started of program program on not January the tnhe wnhen was was by Lywfior went a who nired specifitcal Yeah, L staff were in just turned and Richens me had looking you it Kay hired They expanding Richins JL at So Building. or was that JOE K LEE #1 Okay. JiL2 And KDYL RIS Now you things Jile in the days cover morning "Old Corral" as Building. an announcer. What kinds of do? those to Tribune hired you tried earlys in were did Well, You was radio all the “shilfith had TV If I on called thne poipiilifairnsitdidcinewsciasts witnin that, two us worked during thne together doing day nave we'd eight-thirty about ten a at all in nalf o'cloek hour other an the and noon, network a the show. network tnen record sometning in announcers, morning. hour, the was an pEoigramisandivie iy nad wnich today. came asprogram morning is Western tney the like audience. they in more a and early was we'd for a And with of later on about network fo; newscast at maybe that. tnree began nave have show afternoon Then wnicn We'd like and a half then soap an it was operas and Enat@seortiofinthings Il s So Jis Yes. you had what e You'd work wnat? JIE Well, they were nad they seven been nad there pretty announcers would be similar changeable. the longest, muech I set think 13 to The the the shift? older, tne senior shifts. at a guys that announcers, We had a time. One day staff I of would JOE LEE {1 work from I'd come then the at week. We had in I in the those nad to and It wasn't No. All worked split the maybe almost it changed six to ten time I that type of was Now Jis: At I Were JL: I 1E,3 You auditioned, but JL But the witn e Wno wnere JIE> Well, be T Jilte KDYL, were even auditioned Will a middle was five my near week, off the till of called day days three and were end of midnight day to day. for seven years and I day-by-day snift or a KDYL I was there. by Kay Ricnhins at KDYL. yeah. you the nired day day? at time the It then a cnanging the g you every in tnink and next four-thirty work I working the AFTRA. we'd week maybe off nad so so all days weekends. of be snift and until we and the wnen of union, work I'd three, couple days middle week till seven-thirty a snift, JE 2 on have but the a.m. I'd AFTRA 3 six at KSL? at job KSL. was the there other was senior you took job at KDYL KDYL. announcers Alan Moll and there? Will Wright. Will would Wright that announcer. Wright, is he the eventually became manager Manager KNAK, yeanh, of a and 14 same of Will KNAK? then KCPX. Yean. Will was JOE EEE #1 Thiel hio/ls'th geads o'SV TneOldN musiiec ifan bands, had been Rl His Jiks I been in the business There was Bert Frank, the Salt Lake JLs works he's couple G E in now think of rights, own working son Sinhilsown his was--he'd thirties. ConpalMSprogram. dance band Will, he all played the time, since the nis a son Lee heard of very dance but he middle Frank had area. nere. left now. years, I but he We' ‘hiad haven't was nhim for a here. Okay. Ands Xet Ysiiseel. Barrington been with from six and tnat to people left. Tnose were or years. that them All were in a for Welti for TV, House. wnat is called tne Play House? JIE Yeah. the Where Play over in come over the House old and tnat area and we'd Post Pioneer TV do from two or time and ones thnat and Paul were over at you ever neard of Office was. That Office. Post over time something 1i5 thney Have operated but short Bob Play Pioneer a nad anywnere were time. the old There the called tne for were is Wnere, them just Charles fellows me, wnat iRl Bert, these see. long chiefly of witn including for nired ~“Alan, Let's were names, witn James Manning. station ten three stayed Bill Wil to with there. time them They they on was were would radio. JOE Lo LEE 1 You came auditioned Jik: It was of 1948. RE S 1948. i Yean, AR up then you at Kay I graduated another All right. Fox owned Then the Kay iie L18 meNabout s vours JL: Well, nad nis nad in stomp and on ERlatWiw tne a union and down floor if Trying intimidate? Jiss Yeah, was bad IitwasIRtes union Sid was trying an era he felt wno January at you, KOVO and of ' Sild Fox . session witn nis and to typical and it, using and intimidate was and tne us. Sid that intimidating I one was first cnaracter. 16 really would with a telling no money. through witn and open. was brought meeting little language door He Sid rave there's typitcialfstypeNofithing®Stogo. in a way, rant 1like outside to But get S anfNaiemyasbiair riaclkis: business negotiation. Fox in stayed trying in floor rignt radio were Sfoir Dl how and interviewed Sid, the sitting us '47 there negotiating we salaries. secretary nhe went in Richins als i Eiyip 1ciail to I BYU and remember? fitrstlreccolliectilon office inerease spit no, 1947 station. JE up No, you of year. Yes. in Do from JI we November KDYL? Richins. for Fox in into nim. inl a the He JOE LEE #1 RIS Everything JiLs Yeah, you heard everything Many things generally Eown as a a We trying up three And town I'm Sid, nis going worked and nundred dollar wasn't It tilleN bt You ne Yes, tne Then no finally The We were a to TV trying to and dollars a mucn." at actually, it two fortr. in and Anyway, the those was I thnis month them in you James were announcer minimum the the Paul they got in month, and back TV paid Wsvafif getting raved tnink top in think that money, took work the four there station. we to sold yes them pay. much thie I nis we three days TV taking fromiradi ol those during and liked the Welti I [laugn] and dollars nundred and base continued wnen pay worked, making month. three to Mo Bob "Thnere's wortn he scale. get ranted words, tnat's not ne But people, nundred to a some. probably wage three nundred then difficulty our know. remember JIEs to of to his were had minimum fifty. Tl we we true. and ifiromi*oncMend up were was mention. like staff However, announcers get he B st him true, didn't and ST alt other. was we announcers, about the Sid station. Fox Any then up until memorable 1952 moments years? were, We for and operated radio particularly uptown operations 17 after ne until about out the to old sold 1952. KDYL a JOENLEE #1 transmitter That was up out on quite a thnere, righteouts that tor Rl Is JUILs No, tnat's by somebody Thirty-third South good and and so building been a taken down, few years a JNES Yes, it wastarveny TV Larson, Ben as Uncle Meanwnile ne'd just good set went and the tower wasn't Time in former was purcnrased made negotiated the ther of 1953. known general the those and And Ben on the manager. Tribune build radioe Corporation operations stnie in sold Laker the to which WSild. Life Salt all it? June baeckintol Avenue, way? So back in Building. new studios days was “that brand on called Avenue. Well, Andy a movieds Hall building TG to wanted Tnteriestiiing. only a operation the nilcerbuliidangh Ben, he wes we radio by building, sometime was Eown,hesio Motor JiEe over decided Social made West. ago. operations who radio TL: beautiful took the there, of tney of still Kind tne all it Ninth thientransmiltter. RIS and building and a no. nad in thent "licuitd year It and wasn't remodeled about a moviedi renting it it Soniliy then a Sbieen moved brand Siini new back? new completely. building. Yeah, Yeanh, but and we were or. was KDYL year. backiy DideSid then? 18 YEex: own' it JOE LEE {#1 JIS The Tlsx There JL: Tney owned it and like eight or nine TL: I building? on thirty-third never Well, he have a nis it there. Wnat seemed to there Tnen one meeting to and so nad the about certain but we a "Now jobs." want all of Then the next four key people was just getting day he about over to Play it I doniit "wantianyt He said, "There attrition. nad Hamson to be fifty, So rignt got notices been fired tne 19 was artist tnink a staff staff of to and werry be will leave, their that we probably people in and radio "you will know, House with of future. you the of I the tnings, the suppose for a have control called plans was to things, that and we wanted complete about I he nundred everybody Mark July ne'd radio memorable nervous us amount Jeleznick, of meeting. saiidi» your first nhave where time he'd felt whole that where nundred, TV oW Her At the uptown tnat most something reasoning? he quite called the think everybody staff a was everytning the owned moved TV the was nhe Larson because of tell Everybody maybe I TV They there. everytning. for So about want on in was out back start. tnem. acres Ben funder tnings property. that nands major good that heard operation T south? a places." some twenty- including Eugene and some of tne top JOE LEE #1 salesman. T Do you remember any [END T They were wouldn't JHEES I fired fire really Stan years and Jls Channel to was He to work RIS Is involved I I Manny don't Ben Larson at I a you in said I know, Salt but the top really tnen that also to wrong. many ne left made Channel a big Four salesman. Hatch. SEriankiliCarmani the time. I Icuess - s wouldi navie can't recall because Ehenern Drucker think R Okay. JIE: Yieahis ¢ Iimysure RIEss Wnat's by thne for still so. I alive? thnink he do you died know? a couple of that same ago. meeting ne (Harold) Lake trnink and be Hack while, Two. much could on, was, Two pretty for because for Channel Yee ah , & EoriiHiaticint. Wefits TAPE] salesman to he madi OF people? after wno them because been sales continued with over went have broadcast difference T day Drucker stayed went ONE remember might one SIDE the can't Manny number those anybody. Layton Wolley. OF of “hielidiids interesting tnat v ity Ben is that Larson SevienyiblodiyaSt 20 same called nia t story, has It been alliked reported tol that years I JOE LEE #1 workeds moment at KDYL. that they Everyone said a lot of was staying and were ex i stis fact start comes all that Larson the It transition. in next s to one day was TE: And thnat's JLs Yes. Now Ehis Silm, of been as a the we Channel 13. saw various from they witnh or a I drop doing case didn't has ever' if low point You often and since you what did you. then with new out and become tre up the They're mind my Sthelownersnip situations back "a then. don't to build for really thnat compete working station had that Ve, s Swhere want and o f Y uss thnings. tookiover down, later situation the Pyouailciscelmeonienitiimiastinic ratings so memorable, the clean That sidelignt, wnent meeting titimelthiatany face again. way single time. in, over recommended be biggest inisbiiisigeritiimeiradiiiodand ownership £ niat in gone. incredible come the Ben Butss st pinkethiatiistne really Tl said, people an ds remember them you're it i of That® you putting of nappen because rhappen. siaiile’'s have KSTU, It means Ndropioifif . to start I the from a again. same people working that for used somebody to else now. JIEE: Really, beciauisie and that's exactly uBeniiliar sonidialdnmt 2 what happened R i kieit hiel to M0ld old KDYL Corral! JOE LEE #1 program, and he let worked one day fired, but quit--and tre name of come new in at over trade after Bruce personality to and Salt KDYL really tne Time lost ratings all the wnat time NBC we TV Because of their of was soap gradually a tney operate oriented. the to on radio its fall set radio, dropped off. independent tnat Then way KNAK 22 tne because the of to At only other the same because time. They did we and have a We took didn't that was big tning, we became didn't had a salvage 1953 they as KNAK lot They that As and Wrignt in station. was changing trying at and But thing. up wnole KSL to a apart. a radio. him impact just situation in of was of Will with heck Larson ratings struggling, networks operas local a making started news town Ben time started their radio radio thnat by a did the commercial. and out with beginning in those fellow was they Wright of A who everything across really KNAK. until lost could nad virtually change all still network tne they right was radio to was were radio now that We tneir but wnat Will one dealing so, commercial commercial. been Corporation all nis to over dominated programs . around, result went And City. So wasn't complete Lake had when a it. that--ne had here. But know Vanderhoof, KNAK, places. saga them all know been operation in JOE LEE {1 town that even “at is had any "that now thing ‘time because it the comparable "was to ‘entirely D.J.--he else, interview, now. It they they was made might him of SN e very come we play So he over would days it Well, you were the Jiltss Un Tlis And JL: eI observing after he set up news a unneard the are to KNAK, and later. He see few thne stations music wanted and hiaid and to news know organization nour inSwhat of they laiEials£ St nialth tne and news every SEhime s was a bit could just was me bit as months think Tnis little it so twice that an SifsEtiypitciaill now. formated radio, if nour But) in of. first witnh music DJs. huh. you went over, over E RN WIS decided and few I than Little over pantiilc uilfaipitvasbiac came nave - a and man-on-the-street- went a and by and those and thing a a specialized -manager successful. duriing S traf fiilc o> Wright future operation. I'd Will ScolmERyS I become do as the the go weren't when reorganized wave then D.J., different ofiSesternialillittliedbitsofSpapuliar, sometning the to that's news to-- IiTENS leave € pitie mible KDYL when operation. we and put I go I 51t niaie to into would 23 NG TN KNAK. effect do a news T £inalily When the I first cast went music twice an JOE LEE i#1 nour during Nobody else hadn't thought b Did JLz Yeah, Joe from SIRIEE Mel JL: Yean. was doing that Will was had an it hour otherwise. because they just way. general five Wayne manager. till nine Logan, noon. Bill once Wright? from till and and it Wright we nine three of program On, times town and Will And in Lee morning Gl traffic Mel he Remy Will in was the tne was nad the morning. morning from DJ noon till tnat would Hesterman. Remy? R-E-- JIs R-E-M-Y. TEILS Noon A5 Three. SIRIEs: Okay. i And e Hesterman, JILE H-E-S-T-E-R-M-A-N. Il Okaysme did it Rz e e JL: Three six. till-- Bill to play what Bill Haley tne of other fact, Hesterman did three till six. H-E-- And was and MERINIRNST X we then the the Comets stations wnen I were was would at 24 the only station beginnings and even KDYL all tne touch when of Ben Rock-n-Roll, others. them. As Larson None a of matter sent out JOE LEE a #1 directive, "If Sha-Boom," I Would Tim? man you, that anybody don't know "If plays it around Welti Des nad is and you know. and did Just JL: iese Thlss And JiL:: No, did. I that ne nad s then first at new at these on away were to And tne he got a Tnis to at play is No, the no, snow at well. So, KNAK bit, did I time. anythning DJ wnen guess Des like KDYL Bob at came trat, the nad the time young itself. little that two Will in brand-new 1945. the time botn tne time. new Wrignt really the stations Johnson younger as put went was Howard not. station, fired." director. director not all just KNAK I get the personnel. morning back on or Howard Johnson station? overseas were a audience dropping they me rad that that tune, cifaiitiRandMRbrokelitne s Records s to program warned Rock-n-Roll remember to program newscasts teenage own was hear the made that you going show been Barker down TL.: to if I agicoupilie 8o R § clopiileS send plays to stations hired I formated you. radio demograpnics 25 and on year stations because came Wrighrt to You air? tnat KALL on so was still here there town. come put station rad I in the went back, operating Will hired same me When station that over and together the appealed Rock-n-Roll as to a JOE LEE {1 mainstay? Js Yes. T Then how did it proceed.? did. As a You must have just zoomed. JiIGe Well, in we those matter days--there was Nielson--was the K atiingist g hitwie aitiin regularly. In We were of audience. some of put to our otner we felt that of tremendous got the but five having on. sets the would be doing this known as on the for tne news was the the house. tning their We were years and voice 26 almost as hnigh. percent share we were before in wny we nour, so newscasts the to well, did, kids parents would only actually. there news had at tne the thing got So we realize we and nour. audience important because during is the on as The were This didn't years our were very the of percenit, came we or £1 £ty losing think This news. news that A.R.B. iandis network worked the in only the rating Some newscasts. weren't I ity times of It no rating. minutes newscasts Hooper twenty-five only out that. by a the pulse, they radio at we radio multiple on, tne reaction. but ifio below steam local because re competing the the time, ever newscasts take no daytime About the fact telephone the nardly of kids %to the get radio listen in ones So was to town I became no other JOE LEE #1 personality against e Now, IR N on did you bRt also JIES would were And was really snift? fonsaislloiteifisthe iSRS with take Mel my primarily now commercial times DJistvifi ‘they forsisiome reaison.. Remy he wnen newscasts tne of voice would if of I I was were on gone. commercials of of and i fsyauiconilid it look at in. one I tnis and rela Lt experience tnat an huge it tarlcis of because tnings alitnil nigaa nid because you before you sy e N an every announcer station, commercial wthree you copy vand four That's couldn't the read uSiti c oulidnit bie never had a to went on. you to After that other. if SERESE had 20l the say dMicolidi so at for basis. time book I were independent after why produced commercial regular worked in right That's business those a a tne there unimtandSneNmightiinielad way in a Before particularly copy, broke While on finally tape. KNAK produce done with at basis. would we on tnere front pieces regular years and sit started weren't was snift, also who they commercial inl a people couple on we on somebody, ag\g that news? Yean. a station DJ SaiiiniNs regularly He you a inES werk Bt ke ir vacation. the have weniltd i sHica alternated Then other me. conlidnit Tk any el do s irlefa it. But chance Well, it tiwialy. - tion it was was get also JOE LEE #1 rough on on the each of the sound. station and guy would, as commercial the air, voice. played was, audience, we're take record that wane s, and to tnat's off at KNAK ones that and delivering the kind of and like let to want, it "you by convinced tnem. maybe bate S extra S Well, you RALIN know. of you. Swoirikilinig S aiti there your two course the voices, were the wnen we 28 it . wiel production commercial, o Rt RHiSE We he audience. r adiuia NSy it, you "audience, anywayes,#tg benind get all NqiutittiedoiotNalliongMwiitin Wt hi'sl, take is and AndWtnieytconiid nt But Our We'll play we you JL: we'll of you--the it. Tney're it, anead to Evans, because music. him very TL:: big; way product and didn't you on agencies, us musie out was the olir ¥ solleMobject®isiitoget our it accept the hnour different delivering not client a And an came Gillnam, They we're make was of voices them. it because like tne for when there wouldn't "Wnat all shift, unheard music. tne take his so and Love, of butl got commercial Rock-n-Roll a productions big and argument you up he us the Harris set new to particularly and would every was important we production, for Tnis So and it ones started to final ly thing became we'll put music won't cost N eIf N ERkis only ‘but il 1l in do town it come doing then you a with it. KLUB JOE LEE 1 started doing soon became it all nad to we really it, KALL the do started standard. without began commercials. doing charging the When To I it, be money we, for it. they At Fried Al pretty competitive Kentucky say and KNAK Chicken Frank--do you know Alan? TLS Yes. JL: Do a I interviewed you? Well, Alan commercial do them tne as but first Pete know. around It got lunch to Dees: sure of clock tnat Arizona, and the McDonalds Harmons or spots a day little each so breakfast have set 29 supper of tnat's such spots tne wnen places was and one of tnere as francnises. Dee's became the hamburgers, Hardees wnat other they'd production have they'd In he'd and nis started commercial. but evolved nere million produce of Saskatcnewan Tnhen and spots, in and remember began. Dees they'd I all no a dubs expanding was be sort was idea twenty-four for make the we make started. in KNAK voices, know, it this that. buy you There like and wnere firstrof would day. to several So somewnere ones, Harmon, Tnat's we other out do know. thing Saskatcnewan, the you the come He'd then franchise just would there. himself, over-DUB, nim or anythning we call words, run spots, was the they'd every complexity spots, you hour. because they'd and being have we nad run on to the JOQE LEE #1 correct would time, have you know. different And spots Harmans the different same way of the times day. L They came everybody in all JL s Yeah. Tla --all over Jb: Yeah. And they found that you remember of Just Long They for finally come ofsitiheir tne for to bigger to reach spots-- Dees stores--I He several on the Dees. to Harmans they'd the you leading know, agencies in Silver and were came if appliance station Well, know nave other advertising accounts and don't used stuff..We and want bought particular and tnrough "We location. Silver. he Harmans eventually JIL: Jonn would gets they appliance and sell@out, medium T the Beacn, dealers. so and some saying, time," clock on, of the bought the and Sands and that and over a so period years. You began to set after tnat soildEaY chndiidmitit because sponsor just buy time. ROS Yean, Of tne a course up, but this the package is of procedure tnat's s e TN whole the way sitMone show national or for time time s pet have Wort first time locally five that will give 30 ‘they: they their the be began wnatever, would to you sold to be didn't began to blocks set you could buy a morning, a JOE LEE {1 mid-day, can and buy two the afternoons package of twenty-four you your spots around right pushing our because they In fact, JL:2 The RILs --we still JL: Have you? or if you or take rates and we were fiacility right to the in developed, with the so Ampex just days. had 600 get 1limit those we full you meant cartridges you thne It been familiar night-time, best clock. have nadn't you TL:: the didn't a very techniecal Cartridges time--are get ten, or at one macnine? yes-- one-- been have some Well, replaced, of those two turn studio set long tape on, gothiCioiRbie manager, the even guy that announcing for me tied Mmiy really. in we because the But had we on nave everything RSN tne they've at each one side set tnat was on time tnree sitting up one never in over tnat we KNAK could tape. put This a also inie nhiticld MRt hiaitia st piricdiuction I was free worked got Yean, nad seven to thougn I great. nad Sjloby, it university. bank We but had so tne they're tables. because at never nand, in. fees on And my paid that it for did it. most worked newscast and I was of thne out well tnis all dnw talent L In JIE: Yiean fees your besides WandtnifsEsiisist ypiiiciails 31 salary. NinradiioiinS t ho'se "days'. i JOE" LEE. #1 would IS very often fwondids Hind prosperous the Bl time make twice sail ar g station we left the there in ISRt sa et ol siaiyGhat Wrignt having of stations locally wnat east be talent fees bieilc.ame as fa very up until Yyou [Will fifties 1965. Niptiigihtivand there] the would in middle WSS over in mucn Wiellfls st iha £t from gone as based on really considered observations first even developed modern radio today. JEz Yes, really, sometime the after. late Five. any popular Hatcn new rock fine maybe Roll KUTA, five of really and staff of format, they hired from they They part of a did the But in with 32 well so played became into trnis modern director They went anytning they time, be its a on a were in several in '59 because but and program snarp would doing, thne George because first othner 1959 good a didn't in state. That KNAK. get by Fabulous they tney Tnen until KLUB the tney program of had for out incompatible new became and so to very and '60. and out really beat DJs but ougnt suite called station. KALL and periods, good day that DJs later music, the follow format real personalities was a formatted so didn't wnich onto Rock-n-Roll director. time nad decided format got music second otners Now '50s, They play because and Rock-n- own type JOE LEE 1 programing and virtually really the I of develop Rock thing. to a TlLs KMUR Ji Well, However, Rock or commercial that about Hatch drop commercial, and after George type of commercial new So to again. their format. decided KALL type the understand, and TL: all own tne got a they and and and go left tnhe road wide since trnat time KMOR nad sometime in the late it was KMUR in those days. It tne Okay, you Wright in At JISy: Well, during said in of Laveau, tne the nad general general 1965 of over you and a open for been us changed been made st s omir: tnere stayed a only witnh now Will long? where? about that, iinie arliva ing9/6i5F of Cnannel president of Wt oM lleinitioMRilicoli manager. in went story manager vice togetner there and lhittiliembi el corporate worked started typical '60s. going 1954 of kind wa st ran's feirred Woolley it, 1965. August there's early were September August KNAK you backupijuistial made as of to nad competition 1 half, KMOR? Sso S thielywerlelaiitviiin g Until witn 1950s. Roek¥stat ilon)iand Ji 2 a back did go tired That station lost never would year weary format they at 1948 old or 33 Well, Hack KDYL '49 I 4 so and Screen NS oMilie and let me Norman KCPX was Gems and Wmiade Will Hack and because Hack nad also think. And so we'd I JOE LEE #1 always as maintained soon Will as and over to newWe Hack I to KCPX in But radio Five same with was went the we be wide May knew is so poorly much It a KCPX KSL, technical had probably signal twenty-four Number and two number only rating. MEranismititler Sifilcien setsin directional at was 1965 from now after ‘tloo of and operation doing poorly. tne which watts would tnat were so during 'most@vialiuabiie one bring they rated time KDYL thousand Number to he N d Hd niiEasikeltihelildieal that thiledl relationsnip, manager, and because KCPX the standpoint Enel over miscellaneous at friendly general come because down good was SWEE S andi first a hours. would three Ut ani be nad KLUB to be fthat in KER X% B3 Now was JIL Yeean', that 1320. W18205 S Now tnrose days otner stations at and sundown. thousand 1 B siim portant until except Our only KSL and always to get night because nad a KNAK from and early until sun young Utanh the KLUB like two-fifty tnathtneyrdidnltievenspget We and competition daytime in tolreailiiizel out teen County last went KALL at up 34 you down and and Weber couldn't who in That ofitthesvalley audience years, KMUR night. morning--remember came few power were a meant at night. were trying County, in those go full but at days power. JOE LEE #1 T, That*right. JiE But KCPX had four hour more of and nard make up we our to we trat they You JE: Hack have nad nave to an pay and and in nassle knew we needed. top of the tree down because because start assurance. we figured We it wanted, and promotion and wanted. or you weeks see. It was up to thne and hours want about to over to give jump from to the bottom of back up again without would take and Pictures, go didn't a If Woolley? we'd were But guaranteed montns it, they wanted 35 KCPX. to out. hours We months Columbia and for long contract Hack owned out we absolute nammered witn thnought we of us Laveau what and our way took contract us know, we way the even to the It this you over for it three that us Pictures thing us violation came we contract fund getting tne KNAK up. Laveau Utan from Norman Columbia Norman took twenty- gives So, It contract ironclad actually, areas. promotion be kilowatts, directional station to us this Woolley Hotel the for get go five ironclad thney'd have wnen an would to to run and thing. minds didn't really power, certain this things would TL.: in could the they punch about that full directional, a nad do this the three-year that long ditch, the contract to do it. JOE LEE {1 We told them you're going nave. the to now every going to station. There will a time, whatsoever. minds knows ‘how tnougnt you you've 'leng it loose wilt would this, bit of commercial time, there will have to fund iwilil take do a people got we everytning be that And that when loose You're long 2 that Caklel at least cionpilfietNoif i viciarisiEEEbi don't be to make for this. go' get a ploiwiein got on now revenues up We your don't rating. montns, and Cswie s d HildShfaivie s con ffildien'cies N IiniEihiiisENbiisi you know no us six KCPX, you've we got to We maybe il i Tint Riouisie Fo f st ifs Tanid WAM operation. ks Now of you took your formating JL: NiEISTS Rl That's experience over wnat you to from KNAK and that kind three year KCPX? tried to get included in a contract? JILe Yean, and right next it's to TL:: 1280 and Jile 112801 andii3 208 Will and that when between left KNAK important eachn other to on the realize that they are dial. 1 3205 I figured we so iSelel S thered leave neitner on a that it KNAK of Friday i siinotnidng ) in was there us and 36 took between, tremendously not even vacation started the be that new Sso important anytime in year. We programing JOE LEE i1 on KCPX on Monday good promotion that we the for were welid Npear run in evienidion lot of the ruining the reaction in their any the area music and didn't nave Eor a aroundl the because there Tne ne'd nes of everybody before major Wee, and we of know, going nad I been 3 commercial anyway. weeksyiin thnat witn the of you on know, personally the believe been you to one all establisned. Barker, ne at nad to don't hear because Sthat S thingsup be young commercial anytning and we without commercial town--Des' pulll a a day out nave director, time. he any by anyway, could icoupidesof cancelled in that's all much vieny well sudden area nours why al But a hnad thnought station. no ‘first too they of in virtually wass Provo nad too didn't tyouscan rating, you had program Vi we witnout agencies been miracles And went just svioie s ity All and KCPX realize twenty;four power It time couldn't old immediate. 0Ogden we because because fine of us everybody accepted there station September and crazy giving ahead know, el a been weeks Weren't the time had They S ol was was in you were over wnhat faverite of ground. feeling. the cutdown we TV ‘name, \ youmknow s staff were people over, tha uncomfortable But couple thought Suen N alpoar been a coming business nad morning. seme can station told kind greatest do it." and seen JOE LEE #1 it run in chance were a the Des', made in get cops immediate the there teenage ratings. was pnone rating the in end nave JL: This would have KNAK in and by forty shares So their been been and replaced of anyway, we audience. As center. They'd come actually nad to have going Social Hall pulled the we Well, days The three about most a and which that or month, daytime. the a was first nad we you in ordered could like Hooper do a special it. Hooper coincidental rating came out We actually September. would sixties taking So, from from up, tnose now. This first we're it." We tnem over. rating Tl fifty-two do know. place In ARB of beaten you audience Hooper can Avenue keep the "Well, reaction Hall to said, up-State-Street-down-Main-Street Social jamming a we requests, out and thnink fact, crowd to I we getting matter ground. September, first second we their tnree were nad had about audience was up dominant. we We were twenty-fives we'd away, [END TAPE] 38 it where commercial OF the month and months We of rating night '65. month. percent November at in by September-- but done not maybe in the in the nad just naving during it, and all of the pulled it. TIM LARSON IS INTERVIEWING 1988. THIS IS TAPE TWO, SIDE RE: You were you'd JL: saying essentially and you'd and then Yes, also were dropped You JIE Well, in the of IT'S after whole many 1966 JULY three audience the we format ‘thiey 20, months, from major a poor we KNAK commercials and were and up went to western We the did rock because second, KNAK but by of Gary Waldron, because up' and in Ethe KCPX. and roll field? KNAK hung in there. were moving 1968 they e apridiltyisibieic auisie s thfaltiisSiwihien combination We meanwhnile sitay between in dominant. KMUR justiceouldnt snaping did. '67 market competition yes and the rock was no were U pr of that that had They pulled all tneir felf battle LEE. November, pulled dominant they by JOE wnat? through Tk thnat MR. ONE. Jonnny they had the and Lynn Mitcnell Lenman. 1o And JiEe Lynn Lenman. they were wno else? rating out them Hesterman left to was be lost. Tney So, made to we moving rating us, because who able were nad general bounce decided other they been had the the 39 and only and areas good top manager. back rapidly DJ to DJs. we enough they counteract out Bill wnen snarp wnat areas were KNAK was recover way we sharp at Bill some had that JOE LEE TAPE was NUMBER to were hire these going ReoruisiS bring and aiiw them Waldron tney e as and We personalities away programs to the over things were a maintained Tk ThreougRS Ehe JiIE Yean, competitive When did JilE: Tnat was lost sold That's we doing. one So by the I their Gary thnink the three top updated of We end is Lehman, brougnt fall again. througn Lynn until they to W ailld roin. and Jjust and time KNAK call letters they were sold. they were sold commercials, to the seventies. when WNSEms them, nired on hiring change after out by was Mitchell FRIOI6I9N Lehman work their some of 1969, we pretty of the much '70s. was never a major force. it's middle rignt that KNAK seventies were option and del we Jonnny e station to ratings N i0si after T But number that an the over So and get from we us. pirsitnigi our that solid for took 1969. come tineWomiliyaSthiiing™ didn't summer where to director also we That's wanted work nicMs but of all program DJ. Mitchell, DJs. dlelc iidied amic R ilniSt end three over nignttime aevilie 2 they SOS KNAK and so clonir's emsinest 40 lost the interest, don't changed KWMS? Sometime and Williams I to know to e KWMS in tre it's ratings, Jonnson interest sometime just mid- when which imleanitiiimiel, in that was. stands KRSP' the in for the JOE LEE TAPE early NUMBER 2 seventies competitive Ralpn Carlson. JLe Yean, now They Alan really tne behind getting So then JE: Yean. L Okay, you Yes, B At JL: Yeah , move of up in and the their the became a major early seventies? program stations. director He was and the force did tnrat up. rock and roll Woolley When was out was that Hack ne JE: Hague have so KDYL, came director separate? to factor. L Tl started you remains went manager competition. for and back to both radio wnhen KCPX or back and TV. of TV. to the uh-hun. some point viin KTVX. on for was 1975 Meantime we manager Philciturelsiisailid That Hack nad sale moved decided It to to Columbia was to even though our Pictures general been tne general gave nim 'a vice remain were manager manager and of presidency Manager building there just vice radio and and keep of out the companies. Will Wrignt He president. before, some in services to different to because Yoifivaudio radio 45 finalized new advantage we ‘channeils General the Jjust retained 41 was remained really s providingsailet going made Fox. and We wash TV. tning So of just tCoiliumbiial Century Fremont. radile became Sll975 Twentietn October he thney but stock. nad So he JOE LEE TAPE NUMBER remained RIE Will Al Yelaiht there Wright KNAK and that point, retirement in over music ne out nimself on and witn but you fhose you But to portion timest he of do knew an Like was just knew very you did, the was' there. knew. should. knew ne that next the Buth knew He He also by 1listening wnhen knew a DJ this 42 or to to wasn't about never intruded for could. us one him DJ, Elo for delivering the flow to program, Anid shift so tnat flow he also station, doing nhe a from ‘ano thier " wnen sales, under work morning really and So that DJ feel ‘the knew succeed ‘firomprogram’ could he be responsibility, ‘of to to he worked you as to excellent Will sales riomENon el DS tnat very you on maintaining Now, you all Lake got programming, partiicuiliaiiviinied S worktheNeariiyi long and a things flow owSE nas trat best The continuing complete wanted sucn IS Salt on Wnen you the TV, in sales. himself audience sin ad oRERH of on ne cliircunstances nim. all nhe gave that radio Wright department. knew make . Will strong he tof name intruded any ilke! and Will was him, expected modern because and wonilidiNil KCPX leading years. 1979. into of manager and went over the the station IS really pin of 19797 starting carried king Nz the retired of City it until N @inle" Splo ivnit St h alE success the 2 was wnat also ne a JOE LEE TAPE very NUMBER good 2 technician. Glechntilcatan MoANKD YiEsiin ticket and with man a on a " got o the very lasema the most of the you cylinders until again and I you nave program i nad never the Wil tinialCRn e was because If it one he knew how to and get was was otner it, get built wrere it managers or that halt of everybody thing it ne started nit. knew litaldie he's you witnh that as there knew feeling worked directors But that a rignt iwhiens did, all own Will, us. ever ingirating which nis station. again back fieelSimice out I together on other tnat in as i irst—Cl as's Uncle of all working be. most manager times, staff snould to really really So operator So s Cellcibli b dip up up. nired hiinie & radio inside greater the tnese set was 0 R G nam fabulous known never a He had the i St hidinkaiisi Ssio important. Tk Great JLES Yes, radio really. talent of wife up instinct. and Instinct the experience. Wanda tne and he had experience, you Just nice worked traffic a very along systems side that the know, knowledge, years person. of nim. were sStationseanetnisiaricalunElStiheva Of She used and by tne years course nis actually set most fiinagl iy of the went to computers. TGS Now Wanda worked at KCPX 43 with you. You and Will went JOE LEE TAPE over JE 2 NUMBER to Of KNAK, course months about Will going to Which was Tnat's JL: She went Wanda or let a did. at KNAK, was her traffic nicest started traffic over system ever since. that Wanda. togetner a was in manager Ben's the there knew day and an thét Ben at Larson was did for hner. and set was fired. too. day been better up the carried on traffic carrys stilx@orsievien very, very amazing for manager she nad a Will there so part next of been that six made traffic ever and few manager ‘hundiried mistakes person, they witn retired 1979. Waen¥isS idi¥Eox wren they ‘soilld took Wratwievel on coulh just way did they he'd was he KNAK never We commercials She at over I no I after she thing understandable before after there be Wanda? But months, the to year six Well, TL: nappened manager five KDYL. e what before general ner. 2 thier SKDYLEStol over, TimeN thney Eilfie changed calil Slieit Ceis 28 Wings1952 the call |didn’t go or 153 letters. right to KEPX? JL: No, radio stayed it stayed adEit el Columbia the CPX KDYL, because it CRE 1 mie Pictures comes but was WiE TV nard from. to in Columbia 4y say to KTVT. I KTVT-TV. think We nad It RN E S s blaiyied $itp atts tunit il over took went 1959 and that's Pictures, wnere yean. A JOE LEE TAPE NUMBER 2 strange tning, when we out in KCPX stone Fremont they SR sign Drive. sold When the P a huge front they and C of to Century BiESsnE AR shid ellightithat: nad to the change nave Before in we few maybe in in tne time years at They the the were early early really '50s were on radio. known. Wnen did the star for part Well, I away. 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Jack Bing for Carpenter Ken week. at paid was undoubtedly that and the I maybe got with Wilson Don in ago. the O'Conner, Rod KSL on Benny. Jack witn was Wilson for years know, You remember days. those in money worked probably I O'Conner. some age week. a tnousand was. Rod that young Rod show that it was Fellow a at who it Show" Skelton "Red 2 obsolete really. I tnink 46 because the they "Arthur JOE LEE TAPE NUMBER 2 on CBS, continued for longer can think I think end of. he of any I Show." Rod network ongoing remember ons Wilson TV, was O'Conner wno The the was worked worked show tnat that isn't a into tne tne the now part 1is of "Jack "Red I was. was announcer into that announcer But show he continued network announcers. announcer. a.voiceover Don the other several show like is can't nad the usualkly show than that thne Benny Skelton Show." ELE: George JlL: Yean, George tnese actually guy witn tne old Loeok of they they were for Angeles studios, one But: appeared remember big wnat Marx. parts was character, died NicediiEol Groucho cnaracter Allen, shows like with on his But tre name? Senator some of snows. He A created Clagnorn. i ERapis wup. But those tney did southern 1t know. Fenniman Fred 1Sl eooks L JL Fenniman. the became integral a loved summers, I walk between and on Hollywood and show after another u7 then, CBS Vine and show, show. So as thnem were sort like they tney Notning I thoise.days. studios because you you dropped vacation to the the the goeoalint my: wasy be.prTnas of But days. radio of networks TV, on wnile part parts the as: out, old @a down and there could, in Los the NBC would any be night JOE LEE TAPE of tne NUMBER 2 week--particularly comedy night--stand you'd watcn stars come in, free. Then walk a the factor, important opening announcer closing of "strip" in the Tl < Is JL: No, that of of tne Enitng Ford operas, thney tne and tre a a called was just was be would you make a week in tremendous now. really! kind of name trnousand five it forties, made money. of amount the and fifties operas probably would Well, week. a another was wnat got you if it days, tnose thousand five But 1like commercial a do maybe and position He daily. CBS or ever soap the and snows, snow. the the York minute fifteen were by New of out worked Bond guy for could Tnere soap famous hign I on A and the if announcers money. of neck-of-a-lot lot NBC really end. was shows to announcing an it otner thne in then living the be and was thought I parking street the That achieve would tnat tnat, NBC got You tning. because Skelton down block a the Red know. you stardom, acnieve in and ‘vacation. "'of point Hope same the see and Bob out Tuesday nice to tney made and money announcing hast newscasters e onc on the StoNNaRNDIJScnENt 48 I was tnat Of career. otner. now! have Pretty, got course, et into that But the now Yonie tne is tne nign point the wnole " siide, biut newscasting JOE LEE TAPE side NUMBER of it, I standpoint, T made when good it was fees, we beginning, carried and local the from because me for over tne nad a fee back. years the own, your on established were You just fine I from system think, out worked it 2 good reputation. Jie sveiul Otnerwise you're get services that died, going. nad 'But, needed. we Now KSL Management is the one 49 we for were was news a and not of exception. of a it to became it to able news the we wnatever of time would nave period long that on always cost the commercial, tne have wouldn't really. been there the hold years the stringers and salary my and pay to commercial enough and expensive more and more Over had. I accounts commercial don't fact the for commierciifallisand thiel die litvieir e ouilide been hadn't it if KNAK at operation maintained even have would we think I newscaster. or DJ the called he's wnether radio, for thing revenue the really 1is announcer Thne know. you revenue, witnout going biuls isneisis . i sinelclelsissiiniStihel Reian i bielal anlsvawaly the it's agencies, many good a and clients many good a by favored be to got You've agencies. of majority tne by accepted be to nas voice your and clients nave to got you've sponsors, nave to got you've Eventually mind to They will keep put it a JOE LEE TAPE NUMBER tremendous the news other 2 amount operation station it sSixtiest I aspect sopnisticated part We aspect. years were Tney Wright move at sort allonigk "t arough But mialjlorisficirele Meanwnile by at 980N the for and tne just because a and promotion 50 really thne was made that with your last after Will We kept holdiing our a very iablout it that. because management. new time quality of years, few Yoiff meisit Pictures tine associated, get to years nad ands they sense about we same the last me wals' thalt associated get nanldinoitiningswie Columbia Coca-Cola available '79, in wasn't fifties the was wanted fractured of the now That in those tell KCPX, retired ratings. radio. to to up If commercial the in no for there Nilsiles's But work in. it-that's and radio wanted advertising couldn't "bielefaiurisiel Everybody service. not. for that. of of people or and make news like 'wastall of coming particularly Buf lot off accepted the sopnisticated public JIL: You sifdieinitsisfii¥ciatiioin Riefaily few that. THChinkesit separated more. pays couldn't you a it revenues ofiiradilorn. they've little do wasn't commercial, hire whether the newscaster Rature’ money, will without KALL of FM W8 becoming was ol i coullided about less efforts. to be purcrased less money Meanwnile othner and JOE LEE TAPE NUMBER 2 competitors huge promotion NS For JL: Neldes tne AM is Oquirrn we've Tney mean? EMEIande Ogden stations four new, or A signal promoted programming run changed after off broadcast about promotional money rad been end of Is ne tne we about nad witn changed number year. (of started tnis one sort morning in town the by 5l way? allow on a as in Pictures to So, they and to a operate tnat Tne fact then sold wnen we from 1981 with less management several us. thing. and so turn that's period good broadcast in leaving DJ rignt and own uncertain of sudden with people, want the competitors. situation. was Provo stations came management 1981. still i flacton | of FM in and Tnere and personnel nervous a that as very a to all Columbia Price. We result come properties leadersnhip. a giving establisn that didn't about 1983 to competitive tney Jorn FCC experienced purcnased properties to by the decided sold area wbiigs major heavily Coca-Cola until the tnree Coca-Cola were from means their were both? anjoithier That itself thney for mountains. all that and Or decision and class strong RIS you the nad our in effort. side stations in moving Bromisbeit ol course, in were ne times and They get Lynn Lerman left at tne JOE J LEE TAPE Yes, NUMBER uh-hun. a That itself in witn; rating it over part of go to ¥ echange¥tne Tl & K-B-U-G? JLs Yean. FM theyl kept less promotion was So those audience and automated on after Price took tnere. But anyway, let was a I'm over. Price Jonn wanted he when SSeoMtnat!''ss AMI FM ground. decided He 1983. of were years two Waldron Gary niche. Price? John lost particularly ishgntoff eall he tne the with A i60is better been but SandEET OISt ne SBUGT tningi S L typical top 40. for own sign KCPX call money was going to FM. During going 512 a meanwnile, it's were we because format wasn't it ways, certain in itself lent holding was nill. effort that. myself change, tne made AM. of time it's find asshoRmn Ao would've think on experimented run the KCPX-AM consistent RUnnIngR we it Wnile quite to KBUG. to it cnanged to February in over took being being able format teen to prior up of aread little was was tne the was it director program as FM time never changed away KRSP. the to trying was to because crucial they juggled getting I'm Yes, and talking still We're replacement carrousels. equipment, JIEs His maintain nanded IR 2 AM was going particularly to But EM. for AM that and all period So, down because less and of the of time JOE LEE TAPE NUMBER there had been revenue than tning. a JL: now you KSL and KALL wnat be some of the a of you'd build would change tnat you may other and noit s AMs to haven't been until just up personalities. KSL. New DJs coming I or subtle may off a not get going tnrougn 53 ‘Ciniel SP riileie nidie/rs management, of Schmidt over turn in tne all of on- time and many, now of was turn-over constant changes format. basis, the certain amount of back. the been one on see of remember can't audience slice A to some Terry and go week wnen cnange constant several an had a and formats. been nad are manager. general as tnere in Thi's next thnis KCPX let personnel cnange did dominant with picture another was personnel. the-air the strong their But was there in sales of Lake it Suipiuin Chsles 119i8i5: Al Cummings brought Salt because figures out. come EnsitsEREromanli9:8/2 Bruce big KALL-AM interesting will ownersnip the both. it advances became wup. heads have, the see can But more become and kept they in in than theirs They bringing here nad FM KSL-AM factors. FM naturally later tollkeep that of occurred 1985, recently, Yean, FM that by nowever dominant s So years So, trying: very crossover AM. few markets. say a Actually, market weren 2 but As sudden audience JOE il LEE TAPE You weren't allow you Yean, They allowed to get really ['ve promotional something the budget established was the big Tim, as there tnat and would carry over Price came Well, Jonn the Swelll & a year the program director, over during back Gary morning--see nNandworked™ late me strikes as John wnen in the 54 BN I worked a split about s 121230, afternoon, in wnen I and snift, then came one them called He Waldron. afiter Cummings, Bruce run off, ‘then, suddenly ne to nhands 'But point. over going kept nhe actually manager, general tne come only was ne that taken he'd that dropped dNGomem formiéable 1like it was Wnat But way. day e KDYL He Price. uptoival‘certain tne in figure Equally known be it nis stations Bairiy about let the of some bie there? over in Swiiil18 L back formidable Jonn wants. he wnat getting some putting N CEM bring the of as just note, since Now, producer. FM into went started can tnere. is later generation it back. - work to came you of side a very a Fox, Sid most cut lost. they've had really revenue they if see was b oMo Eilon:, viNiinitoWAMB to AM they've month this of audience a and that interesting wrren for back EeaiSSnonie You budget way left middle JL: tne it cut because TL: 2 deficit. a JLA NUMBER T'd back JOE LEE TAPE late NUMBER in the 2 afternoon... [(END TR The JL2 Yes, the memo from business throw I went John I and the general Gary fortune in you days Ladusts tnat what tre lino Wit hii s stand of wasn't relations chats witnh about us. general We is I new direction. was going to You be. You didn't knew 55 them good Terry and in we'll tne to We had coming meant, know that you don't You don't cutl.s Erom retirement nad good would things It be. eonlly near I and because going was Price. upset. program wish director of staff? concerned. were effect and manager no wnat ratings anyway friendly needed matter tnat were to know I but my friendly have tnat afielit s figirliyaconfiidieniths staff the you before Meanwhile, demoralizing station before a iusEliikelthtat s the course, John the dionermSor of left direction too to Cummings program to it here's thirty-seconds something Sol said read iisEisoiingitolabelitnes point, I and pursuits. our completely new about nave new in you Bruce new a you? sure was thaicemuch know rest memo demoralizing is be TWO.] came just become it and had their Well, to manager Waldron of TAPE came manager will advise ONE, Price, away. on Scnmidt JL: manager director Is SIDE business it "Qur s OF be «the wnat, a direction down and JOE LEE TAPE that 2 things anew under well. It were came as a when street that Terry wny seems to they put him mignt be. JL3 It Rl Did JL: Well, as sales FM when He' been doing me very just dropped a few on in the exactly for FM. So I that ranks, tnen? don't nired by Bruce may be mostly like 56 unhappy Lake tne Salt it. You mentioned West “area, think never I with Lutheran a a by ne lot liked and too, Jordan, of Modesto, very that. he then year a for program from in brought Cummings new a Then KISN, and manager sales was ne situation. was unnappy S an KLUB about fior stayed was at was surrounded completely man, manager Cummings. he set tled®onEiln® and was wnether He Lutnheran. He Ausnam, particuliarly the of sales general mostly nim met I manager. promotion out come tne witn or big dropped Greg really a been Price unnappy people to started somebody general the is think. I Galifornia. didn®t were from had it, there. manager director, Price out Schmidt we surprise found be nad Terry mostly out I Scnmidt Terry KISN think complete now Courtney he I So manner. same and uncertain. Schmidt. ago Wayne rather Terry montns the R NUMBER His got find did John with He market. you a were evidently that was devout LDS home was JOE LEE TAPE NUMBER in Minneapolis, to Minneapolis. Rl Wnat was JL2 Greg Ausham. FL2 Tnen we're tnis wnen N 860 8 JL: It nis would think if Bruce I JL:s C-u-m-m-i-n-g-s. Tils In sHthaltlst tne from about present What back of '85 I through. Let it me would I can eivier: fon memo. tioek That wyiears . Wble N two was fired? think. that hlely woulid were Yeanh, kept I year have I think good station. time. KDYL with Ira Kjar up Thnen I KCPX began There was 51 have to tnat buy from to good a it gap very the Sid when record of about up to of about tne for difficult sand of record of One Murray? in out s. an is tnere business starting wnen Murray. kindWofitinteresting a iinistnie ad ilofsbuisiiinie sisity Hiels Cummings? automotive sold day. went around? still spelled JL beginning, and 1985. How's I March M98 31 W alts 06 is here Waldron yoMERMBUICESE in Endng Gary because business the one and date oI tnat this tnis B lcle R isitonE automotive me the Bwiith" W23%, from follow Cummings Bruce s ¥ee toward been black in nappened left Cummings the got ne again? can Bebruary Is name moving HiER alfeclc and nave I've be, L = 2 Fox it thne eignt JOE LEE TAPE NUMBER years, it. '52 when There fact JiS Yes, B No JL:: Yean, they stars into lost money. me, TV did. out that TV tnrough Will and ESopa It Even JLs Yean, T2 s because until '66. 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Shielnasaisiss tler S tihaitlis that tne losing come all though Eil' was since 1966 didn't R tnink St oloMsihie in Ben they tnat revenue came dollar on e veitdienitilly S frlomiSsiomie thiimier sometime black a Is sometime I B itenid stew it hiIL 8N made a that on. going I Linden retirement wnen e was and era? because Lil' the never of it going bottom. really and all until nothing really went and was rock coming owned much nit they not Life wasn't there yeah, Fox Time just that bottom, 2 some because Saliks Lil, disitier; important sne was JOE LEE TAPE NUMBER there before L Okayy sgcod. JE: I think on Rl 2 I was. Idireallly sne would particularly Relailligs JL 2 Ne ity TLEz He had JER ne simply EiimEe cannot this for that because not So if accepted he by nink Vit were the 59 not you know. town from people can't You I station. no said, will here, just town, don't do a "bring to Sfioriihiiimi this don't because Ben EheyiSwanted But I So in Logan of basis. this up north for happy thallde iy ielanst Cloepiilc cle SRR SIS accepted. he's do i st Thiist in manager notshot sl i Eh aboiuieh killed. was York New a on townre R this e Ea and were days it run to tried before All accident day every tree Lake Salt tne tnink I but career. kil lied is area those a into ran he anyway, T out times, alilc skiing a ski that give to Used Canyon. '59. lives He career. Eormat ke in killed wnatever Logan, tne went time. of was son his Yean and nis of part that droppedsiouts minclnEtHilstsondwais’ period that '53 several him to Al soiih e id iidnittanli dentitastinkimiksivie v during things that. about interesting illustrious, Ehathstime ner. itawasnlt. wasnlts an the between nigh a of tor theire, & jlusit talked was that think don't era Larson I LA. in UCLA near toittalilk lot vioiid" Ben to a that imeaill talk didn't know in jlustiar lilcer we cut tioltbie or if try to JOE LEE TAPE NUMBER bring anybody decidedivtio Walshiing wanted really, T s you sales last to be bring I Well, was tnat all because of the end of dealings and wnich got during our is the contracts backed license by on Milt know. month nuge we We It nas ahead are. We debt. faib/olult s Svio Wetiallike we're talking yeoun and then retirement TV? with our all tne time loans North Star We 24, to final our December 60 coming was State. KCPX May in starting made we at got in been had we 1980s the over untenable more little All situation a into getting were ‘wantieds tilon * £ roms ecnr L v esiu everytning 1986, we'd percent what your about license 13 1986 of November made a a into itsiitinie’ me every such tnat everytning. twenty about move o you isielcionid " ainid getting channel the Misiiwny good nave tnen getting a Just we into was in on Tell moved guy rignht Snlowinwin fiche you now some in partnersnip, continue We're Street t hie and because retirement. et Ehiils Vicki partnership, known [Ee ENESIld rioipisibialckit sl abelult ridsilde BLIEE year. and wnhen was know. retirement JL to Milt to why @urwother o tinle wanted because is uwsy Stiof felar liiler S Douflas nave This tleiniStintei¥ Gallkkeld just in. leave immediately of 2 for pursuit of 1981. By a head. In partnership buy-outs and Communications, the, 1986. we So, actually at tnis JOE LEE TAPE time NUMBER we didn't to nhad a weather it was "start-up". We Ban" break spending I York ten between my job going of tnat of was 1987 and to we've would nelp dric UT s oI dER U I wny don't wWals Ranarv L2 Tnat would JE e 1987. So “fiorrle nave we nim a in the asked, and Jonn tilriement® on' to e BN that s Scertainiiy RS been agreed the end of was all of equity “knlew, January a business your plans are plans your station and if ot HE it way we fairvenougn, ¥so the go-on have keep He 1 Fnis puil didn't out of In are AM this eignt and is and Price tning. wnat new to dbidn’tl. "What with were trying who know to got 'a’ a Washington financing Peterson, and to was She us things appraised Npuit thne get liding there we finish nd I time it trouble if us same involved got but tnem. wanitied® me trips 1986, offered We've pilfan's many as to these we planning soon 1987 doing keeping Marty future? navie® was as of 20, were startMbui been the it N e came tne because yout I totally ne manager, at actually T teoNhimi I for all We ¥and! of We planning how two channel sale. spring during the tnis. too. s@are the know I made buying for were I'd don't or tnis up in Meanwhile, New of "theVmotnitlain station. aware intention know would pl'ae’e and no even be 2 this month, which us ERret direr !t January? that 61 thnat would be the retirement JOE LEE TAPE NUMBER date. At maybe at the March, the can the go News" you On JLS Bear T s I have I was JL: time it was and They sort of me of the to the new only gone nave a been joint special put one name new full time agreement I want as studios studios till on considerations, anytime my to the use "Joe that over and we Lee built. there? Cat? Cat. been there. Well, One Terry Scnmidt I It a is set went sort of built the I record rapidly. their I feel than Fiftisworkie AM was wouldn't I was getting past have dout I'd Von St heNatir . MWe' rel trying 62 a for and I plans to oen So, of deal the back here. So, because tnem could age. me, losing forced insisted radio going out well money good around very because into was anything retirement full-time It studio would've 1f working comfortable losing probably unplieasant®situation I more doing was else, there. They time anyway. over really. so something students up, FRacitualily Which my doing set to es of was nice studio, there trnat and I very up. news 13 would record even consulting. were have I given there been Bear could that So over above fl2 by I They've studios. Have most other. retirement. I 2 money into an staying on. retire tnen meanwnile, getting for ‘at we channel transmitter JOE LEE TAPE sites NUMBER and from a do continue to be a Well, buy find in a to nelp asked for flitvie tnat we would ten only out we ERnlc 28N/28mENsSiiones N2 easier make than tnhe and there that a was you nard yes, time amount we was we money we here. come up over. witn witnh We n golingil got for they about four 30Mmiiliiicn paper. 22 eight or from in New 63 even a get get we million tiime, the had gone much anywnere consortium England, to ten improve couldn't nalf sitiatiion e emueh didn't we Aetna, a able stations it So million. and independent and paper and 20 were hnelp possible subordinated come have we price probably up money nhold EEE hd B epa s Eilculaie needed But to foiraFaniNe 1986 got to cnange DA in bad, nave we'd of everytning on to finding suppose around going like was and do in could situation But around want thne million the we s Tt financing 1987. particularly Well, Wniech nad to really to everything million. word "Would alone bickered got if having let and we nold turned - in. station. million o come we mmislilsiicniovier N prilcicdiaButifior S tnath would it Lake position So 30 tney As that financing you. Salt we're Then didn't response dollars, subordinated thing. TV in but for of Adams our you want you sort independent million you'd o that VHF to ten this operating us?" love all broker to buy 2 had of Aetna in near banks and JOE LEE TAPE Bank NUMBER of New 2 England and Marine proposals to financing. Aetna chose In the following find out whether that. we had TV before. that to nas assets time In been of we back a or FCC and seemed for UHF and We tnree to if we and this, staff members weulid S with nolndi fificulty i if we neld tnat, tnat fiolr just turn on the to whole That tne we decide what Channel 20 license, we NChnanniel mountain. We a put to had new building and tnat, figured, we Time practical’ WfremiVa facitor, w38, to 64 will ‘had two be new on done will it thought it not would be back because mignt decide going to become do you give a with the CP critical get on the transmitters in tne sitandpoint, antenna nad license FCC informal probabily we're that the wasn, commission until ¥t pe 20 tne powered to they Jit turn an this indicated at tne specializing getting Channel it, all in channel high thing will done purchase to we course, VHF Whether Firms so course, priced, them did a Of of been and back. do. this So to up Law pass? best start high Taking presenting take to different matters. Now what ever us major deal, well, had made the best you that nhad the months, a turn know be this awarded that financing, to words, not. epinion. tne other didn't lawyers, in nandle Midland their before to' tower. tne All of first of JOE LEE TAPE NUMBER November or heeame we wouldn't .a,very dealings take what do. you 20 2 had all months So fall. been nappened FLS Ye's. JL: Yean. So, October anyway, we made i By wnen? JL: 23rdyefsOctober: L 1987. JilL: Yeah, getting signed our was on of these you know, no matter turn was 13. kind of was Channel We were weather just a we beautiful earlier get you know, on. past final the the years never tne and on the negotiations 23rd witn of Adams loan.. Wno are JLz Ah, locally, and also in the day Channel the of some Tz Sid buildings He out one. has Most built Jo-Ann 65 of Wong a major tinle also signed. with you in home in Salt F-o-u-l-g-e-r. Tnat's He's were 2. are that who Wwas papers November people Foulger, here. final on Washington. Mall. is the 13 wbiislder s 'Sid Crossroads East. we'd time all the of So and to It year. October? that masjor couple all and know. that that witn having you a just go in tnen, TV We and fall, it montns, decided fortunate Had wnat we for thing and back last up important license especially get nis that? Lake is He for contractor now building Kilpatrick major otner several is one is of back the a JOE LEE TAPE NUMBER partners. 2 She is actually, shne director at Ann K-i-l-p-a-t-r-i-c-k. Wong cnannel a 4 Deseret for former about staff Wasnington. George So a few years, nad a N ourM DJ JLz No, R Tnirty-eignt JilEie It you have started and you well, o e more to Communications so, 21% ne of Ogden make had to 66 side™ went He's off to thle N iofritih - Sitian bring investors of channel our extra to partners, million time amount them. them, in that 20. So SINloiritin T Sitiar i siEioirt ISntvi e went a also years. the purchase had, nave He about at would Coin". many He quite several to equity for in not additional Y4 of put an in experience. one to in is i going put She D.C. you P at office shid e BRI ISS but o R Cinfal news. t hiet Yot her as Jo- partner. the you? the 4 is worked Moss' for money--now, was actually amongst he decided mielantc and side in nigher, way channel percent. del'l"ars,; but decided on tnirty-eignt Foulger we program percent? out the another fifty need Mr. is percent, by considerable MNnivieiSiC ol nave pagination channel Ogden show the Senator of Wasnington people we of "Otner S Einie Communications Do She DRI Enic ristaTnicn® PR EnicirSihtipl L > name in had of called Her year, she's Hispanic Spanish o e a member Gonzales produced News. was and of Part part money the of of it JOE BL LEE TAPE NUMBER went to with the I us. had friend So 38% a and Oh, R Yeahipthat'ss is one came out they, when the North I was local Star, in group ended ended up Madison, with up 62. Wisconsin, a Bolger. JLs NAB it friend Tom Tom 2 involved with what time he and somebody...". ‘tolldi'me. he Was he us. said, working 'In fact I "Hey I'm working for Sid met Foulger nim at for and you people? JiL WReHIS IR i RIS SIS o Communications, name of Bill Glakas, is a L3 @np is our hie SENF it i indl investor. is president. G-l-a-k-a-s, 1is vice-president partner of wnicn St Lincoln and commissioner. name Dot e Eineliniii He's Frazer yveahi i Richard a partner. Gross yean Wiley, A And who a guy by tre woman, and was S tiain a Tom Katie Bolger former FCC neard tne Erazien s Gross. and Have you ever Cadillac? st iised tiol bie Clkay . JiEe: Yean, iLE Frazier, JiLs But, tney've is Gross Chuck partner, a but partner gebGing St s North broken Star and up but,... Clay. who Cadillac they now, was reorganized anymore. But he They 67 are don't and I was involved AlNistatelinsurance thing. that of part is really a tne team Chuck think witn partner money a was us in in the benind JOE LEE TAPE it. When it's RIS NUMBER a Ye'al, thney it's So, work and Sid back a month. Okay. JL: Sid TLs JiLEE comes Foulger have to got You us almost fees. You cost witn that money thne tape, Channel a drop-in. It iMoo 13 wasn't Jo-Ann going back and there. a on a trings going twice or period of time somebody nave beginning an that in. it put legal in mostly from money with somebody 1981 in allocated was channel right? f S S Uh 68 edlstity. ' dropl Ins a on Just go to Then forthn once to and And maybe $200,000 got for SisStnat long *first of many so we months. decided here tnis here. up stay out he's whien: travel to got Just R it Sid option ne's up Rilfo mie e how several Jo-Ann come originallys see time for to will as So tnings. baistis the decided tnat engineering okayed Allstate. people, of nrad George financed it lot have all Sid, 1986. to to nhere basis. East, because and daily ago, actually 1981 get of these a montns consultancy on all spent ne so of couple mixture aiclonisuiiteanE basis. Ogden, s o worked consultant from of decided--we George they there? out, George money interesting now SiniotiiHe S iisSN started the complicated but doesn't AR need rather togetrer. JEs 2 that' were JOE LEE TAPE NUMBER allocated. Channel and as one that remember, Had known a was Channel I can't would a and VHF a it's a company before went because been Adams the Channel before in out other would've record, 20 Kknew you So they fight over thingabeutwit;, it become o is Inot! appltiicantMforene s Enatis and itself Comparative only a lot of nearings. consider buile. for existing an buy ‘exclusive mutually a on tnat immediately. up to 1t'steasier going been coming it of at but drop-in, had channel tne sign no witn the of knew 1 nig fisleldd Sipi r frlom S89I83E iin kel However 1978. in air tne in came eneN can 13 tne years FCC that why 20 sStat itonthan e 'Sevieral That's it got applicants. whomever 13 They allocation. two in Stores West. of people for American drop-in. Television. tne that or Norman groups, original 20, Adiam'stSpuirchiaisied” time state for and alinurry & the gone channel Yean, of the putting developed, Jils out chnannel better quiiite among obviously nave Min applicants Price Golden Autrey's Channel did John Gene obviously drop-in, that including nine including were been were organization, were it there 1981, S Showe ver, groups 13 in including QRSN FLts Actually 13 Leveau 2 That'!s' a 1ifetime money. Wnere the 69 as buyer if you that buy, the then thne seller nad JOE LEE TAPE NUMBER 2 named. il See, there our were five organization We came in the six Review here or in the comparative that that montns' and the they didn't it tnat So be for we known, 2 But we We needed we on buy all on man remaining dollars each tne million two two we we come are dollars 70 station out. besides them out. agreement. So find financing. with us out the and a Salt and we and did. woman Then We see original Lake offered immediately they bought what tnem. know Sol is dollars. it. us TV to partnership, be in bougnt paying a of which were let Seut2 and the upheld buying sort An that applicants themselves million took the Pennsylvania applicants which up in out out record, called Television--for set could any go all from it, thnree would them the who to that got in they to own somebody Tennessee two otner come our applicants--a three the never could is were we s 1984. awarded Board yeabuy dollars get to Utan¥tofYcooperate could decided Tnis to in we if million tried usi ;" hiere there that want INRESEISENEalce i tiNhiy S d ont t let later in hearings. was Review partnership including hearings actually eight Board Meanwhile, out comparative partnership So applicants, the second out-of-state license.’ in remaining Family the a had the from otner million to pay otners JOE LEE TAPE we're at NUMBER paying the air a period programming dollars. interest Pl EEtsSlei ndiaf Ji: Really, TR Wnat is of five or million at and 10 it means anytning we put out interest. plus on five Most of came in came in percent. ¥dilstortion:, flikie So got anytning, Five 9 years. ever we before beginning or million that over very the 2 lisntt 1it? on wnicnhn really. the was and second point deciding tnese out-of-state other you people FinstR JL: Well, tne situation. minority deciding Wnile we preference [END point had and OF el was Jo-Ann George TAPE] a minority Wong, tnat Gonzales-- preference gave us THE DATE IS JULY 20, 1988. I'M TALKING TO LARSON IS THE INTERVIEWER. THIS IS PART COOLEY ORAL HISTORY PROGRAM [TAPE #3] RIS Joe, what I applicants, asked you out-of-state second? JL: How Welilll Wit came did al of matter fact, in the of preference. percent Seventy, rememberas just minorities didn't local based on a nine, or fifty-one mignt nave gotten administrative own big a enougn situation, forty-nine it. law don't We judge 72 if a ninety nad about about we it nad percent know. that our We made a been for two pernaps Now share. can't I didn't, we Because wnhich. minority a given a given was think was woman, a eighty-five, or eighty fifty-one she them I to, compared nis out was"a so gave togetrer a As Indian. owned was he TV. ne partner, percent, The Crantz, trnat proof His as in very partnersnip. two come questioned he The an brougnt and merit eighty-five. was had 'he and to Family Mr%. Seneca Indian preference woman's you Lake they ne forty-nine or fifty-nine it of preference. Salt hearing But that. lot gave did ‘minority and a TIM L. first? itself the Seneca registered FCC Wny registered a papers about closely of were thellplartnershipisa was registration percent Weifs ne that in called Tiaielmiailie S ¥stldie The group. come icasel that There second. or they lwas was: in company partnersnip claimed you MR. JOE LEE. OF THE EVERT fifty- them, we that the feel tne final JOE LEE #3 decision, and of he course, ERS S hutt people Salt more a Jil: one [ thne in this of was means, do station. And we on a statement that as CP, I it, move could time if these in the to Utah in offer a divergent tnat could nave we I from And course of nere and he IN=E ime tooL S0 Lhat was ‘an those two = said that in the would. I have know, KCPX would radio the position so of us And all we would Mr. have important they make license, that that statements, trat work of full-time. this to you. And you the it comparative we to, receive resign people the director should station. hurt to thnat had news into gives may plan stated was localism integration. owners that the that in out but of stations it's have residence a had TV heard factors all same many more interest immediately make to e as, would I tnat ne soen too of usually call record, I proof opportunity localism the have "were people, know. tney of exact we've important statement full Now, case all no an Because what have bringing minority a but was don't the several ownersnip Here Utah. and nearings nad the to 'there divergence, into But And in Kknown we fellt interesting. factors you. 'he” facter, That's be know, already. ownersnip it you involved little DL let thiat Lake been had work Foulger, to part would give "of work JOE LEE #3 full-time wife in the combination nis wife, give up his anotner Utah PR Ehamic radie Sh'ed tne equal Te out. So, Now, do got JL= fifty No, it you nave and backed by wno of but the these people that the forl a TV tnat happens eaicn’ people, T4 case Because they be to of which the we a six and they they were it came completely. eventually developing real review. Family va S same make ever a and way that to Utanh, partners, think of been Roger-Boyer partnership, intention Valley nas tne That's no Fotheringham, out also thne the credit. there E of And fgot West blanked this EniinlcWi the "he were nappened IS were in D.C. University Boyer, credit Wasnington people at TV, in the would who called Ence, for and Lawrence, Utan particularly Family in Lee They tried that lives agency; firm. ne Andrew group ne and whatsoever. Robert Roger any we got of percent the tnat #a i 'hone®ierie)i A and shares said credit now nusband Williams they by a Dave consisted official construction given but advertising Gardner no headed credit. alumni was ne but maintaiins which there And station, connections Television, nad KFAM. hearings, comparative Kem own But Bountiful, organization nas past from that comparative of station. it? out of that their--it call Salt Lake TV for, Family ‘drop-ins, claim so were and backed JOE LEE {3 by an organization religious every TV ks Want to i Yes. And filing get bought these people. of an a smart real enougn entangling So, even naving As a they expect WIS a case out out just people about partially the backing of were backed by which is Communications. applicants that to a Organization, competing of in same, Sterling able of us ol summarized, knew as but these keep fact before And tried to people clear him to of were any real our a of book and Review group they not looked he I the suppose nad "Mr. tnis of compiled. And you book poiints?! nalf some 75 in' an nour, Eheir. us four Wood, wnole (I was ulsi Lt hie s nidigh poiinEsEofgEitisBlIitIEneyay at FCC representing that that through a same attorney nearing, uisiee s gidtvie about tne broadcasting. Board the read in in evidence at was individuals the tnem of it record hearing) thick told you track that presented incnes TV of be The Family treated matter at on alliances. were as Reno. two the to bought These of tnough somenow was tnis all files a up. were in outgrowtn tried, make comes they station same that Communications, up? constructed we JL¢ that recently really Sterling organization, individuals T2 called wisdom, of ©f don't do you? So the he high course, JOE LEE we #3 didn't know sometning like rejected all knew only we the went at to of series of smaller or from we found out arguments. to do by TV because ABC dropped at the last to certain amount percent fifty to nothing would ush have kknow cirecuit The e ThSye of big million be thiels a in backer. thnere were Slallt LU ake back to that--this is an dealing in the went to two offered and could We commission. million a offered a got that rating. But offered And had we the way didn't. that that's competing gone it applicants let to thne reNgoiingl to take it if you do." Our 76 a hearing otner appeals got a applicant financing Wood been. court two otner Charles the with the comparative owns that to money of that station that applicant, successful tne dollars say, offered, and proceeded nave the with buy-outs was his we when comes it when factor one who to we And four "Eititint Ninisisted AlSSitlate . TAllESs Elat'e of minute, that's and well or going Sneiwonlideneit point recently three had buy-out. Woods, wno was a or they that and of conflitcitsERtinat situation sources later, that make Charles He days at somethning decided, important to stations, Missouri. very So, was financial ABC Springfield, market that, backed award we thirty several be But but tning to dollars time, the going court the right lawyer said, JOE LEE #3 "Well, it's circuit going court upkeld" possibility it been tnat on by s and and a about tne each time dollars with interest they three, it It appears is gone that a million paid all through you applicant? T to really heck a o f a about in the pursuing in each get maybe two-fifty or tnree will So off. in a1t put probably them well spent thiimiel, & anidi thousand so we've saga of was trhat sy TEtatook fifty million tne serious but thney individual tnose s toryasiniNitt sle al e irké s allillo EaR ol WolERiw difficulty, Mis got February; of eacn for "No, that were a take to We've So March and February, all says, buy-out. January, of were put willing interest." their nad always applicants all and nave Allstate universal that we there's was wasn't. months WAt and Woods So from agreements 2o\t would of out time we a be to there station, the not had out that to they're always at lost. get usually hanging station agreement appitiicanies license the January, getting nhundred a to course Allstate tne December, of time kave action and some and wauld being bought be actually ot legal got an nave will of but nas tnere's to we into risk tnat But it of take appeals building money chance of upheld, planning to get were That this tne is part of station. only truly JOE Jils LEE #3 Yes, really, really, InSreting'speet” applicants I now, would I have each blocks we met, pushed off thne hill. be willing they had to nienic v AN and to hialth it seen and wnat could 4 for il o -M SR about for one wouldn't nave some some that R mne nine EwoRtiventicthy filfteenimifil liiont. million. Century: 'And just 78 witn nappened 2 Channel with valuable tremendously some of them wouldn't be sold Syd Fox sold that Tney Einle potential tne has my lcnicina ST know Channel g Nsolidii really SIEStninkdestool, happen 4, imlc StoM T ime:, tomCollumbiiatt b ures Piile hizie el S an NIE oG of Einte and point bit olfl us money. of a have the been tning, quite they the have to sold. be even amount andENGnink for to almost not any would nad are these mean, entities, would road of " vielusielen what I've I the up still because 5. and did. N thiroughl I and it, of Channel we StnEE tinfel Wpiairitinfelr sihaiph plefsShitEhitioin of way tne We benind WantedNtoNcarryaiton potential it some people, don't, of to put I any Because, otner people dedicated were. think they “through. it earried came think dERfsiamiw applicants, don't they I we pursued Because time think dIERE Columbia Box a int few sold Pictures 58 years fior aboutc later, in JOE LEE #3 '81, it Group is was for the sold about way to the Warner forty-one values Communications million. increased And for one you offered they wanted so, Salt thnat Lake TV station. RS They would and JIE Oh laugh fifty yes. don't and Ehianiniellf S Eationsi in and Nonies no wonlid was better mililien itself. my son I that actually from a good ‘ter would like got friend dor a last who trning this was 79 an or paricd® If two a FCC or viokair ditf filculit assets sitilonMon a power CEEniavie St no'sle a and actually Wasnington He attorney, half big al thiatls started. 2 a nid S and omit Sor a market, Channel it, to mention is 5 month, ihasialipo it million it to Lee, wno ‘balils s o S RET AR vioniid on plan deoliliars David andS fiact AN d S park. Channel tnat leading road CRRN ball WEimiiis' = avierys h e ISt ol the it. iisSoneroffitneMgreateistH this a sell thnirty-eignhth value e st hundred ashunidred®mi 1 1 ion the imountiain , with S dhilgt you'd things in N higivie it ChanneltNBNRaisER i iimcte o tne in the a to tine in siolidi KSL for Sblediint well, near be either Buffalo, It | mountain, would Wevien UHES that tetget. taath twor g where pesitien®ent Epiing that million Buffalo, with if offering, € annelMcM the think fifty not if even 2Wweuilidnit they're piece you million, I Hundred at or thing that it attorney, found wno out later JOE LEE #3 became our that the good tning attorney drop-ins to but my I'm working much I son, to David, with such it take So, HRESCREN my B my executive for Oh, JL: So me be many David, oldest be at first, it I said, I a "Well, was very KCPX at the time. had to get Columbia I involved in years to is equal an would Because it. bring They So knew tnis tning to partner with me c onifiliile thiinig siommmitsEttinie Channel it and and practice, s dieffimyi s e ntlioirMN son e coumit 4. okay. of conflict tnings many trying and candid. The barriers much there going to to skirt and by-pass because they, the Cnannel position and years no come for more in TV to entry to two this in and a with 80 UHF do market if are it it's pretty of all you're not First secondly even about mine. guess. I reasons VHF's; I and work nis were we what open very be to tried we does my of knew absolute are had the He be son over So to Ricnard my we've do. to be for And management would interest it. in involved it but tnickens, and thnickens plot the total 4 4 EREIES gf SN o nie C el Richard,s TE.2 son that conflict." to many, private resisted permission. permission would I after a in and And Channel their got coming kept witn get he into. Pictures pass. oLy were get involved had wnen available JOE LEE #3 and so you sense, the JLS pretty in same that for the maybe been allocated. we an antennae us on nave not to some Skaggs a tower mountain. tne a Tl they JiLZ get it and see tnrey've Rl Or of kind some trade corporate put if skeleton thney they've very My have (Note: fall. iy siinle alt it il I it. I ARCANISIESbie but it but do can they Don't you think? feeling now is, and it and build will tney some tine well mousetrap, of to sell money thrat try and operation recover can they into out a of 1989) thing. tnat and because this operate that. put soutn build Elo S mie BRI money play and to just to 14, better to speculation, pure is trnis Feb. their and up has that planning could sometime a think would I yes, Well, box sand somebody's we sTefemis I it able be may tnhey mean nas 14 e xitlen's iionists thiati So air with even think don't have itihiei build can tney thinking that remain Channel operation, air EF b RSN LSl g MEmME see going in the on went 14 Cnannel You that's them. the on 14 Channel in probably tney're But give will now, station will investment American glenfe it nriomigintallbl e ofi commission good Tim. understand get a time. thnough, on the have competition quite Well, actually, well tne it. something structure. 81 else in terms of the whole JOE Wil LEE #3 Because, taken you all that by know, the now But people for a steam the lot of that money of IS nier S And SIS five or years the put ten in Stlalr tlediuph tnat and a become have to big deal Programming the know, down tne ibe ) inside! you So that take Francisco And tnat want not even witn is to used month. Now they like better but get get the becoming expensive. more ago things to programming year because to would time a gotten of with it's syndicated, San star. they a say Mprogramming: * to of week, got woul'd investment, and a somebody's I i ngi i i more dollars fignt be would a a to dollars, dollars be got and thousand to there's years. have particularly and tougher could and 20. have deal five thousand LS we Channel to to and thougnt got have nere has you've programming Streets example, we on going there, tollgie'tiftne and filed thierelwoulld ten it independents tougner thiinkis and 13 that it long-term Because financing into Channel UHF's there's know million a that have Ngotitoibemwa for feasible. if maybe piavier il vonshavie any payback dieontt is knowledgeable, they put of would and to possibility to out are channel, than reality somebody start-up, for less tne Micnael that An be around for maybe want nine Douglas nas wnhat you are witn. doesn't get 82 the star gets more JOE LEE #3 well known. aside, ten I That's can't years ago Gene Autry, for Channel really interesting. remember, it must wnen of those and all all 14. I of these did the have Just been people, people, as at an least including Skaggs, ascertainment applied study for interviewed tne Skaggs. Jile Onh did ks Yes. you? I studied community and went leaders and community makeup S Now was that for iRl Fourteen. dh: Onh, fourteen, yes, yes. GE It was JL: On, I Wl It was before see, yes, back in was tnen Channel Y77 put that and together thnat kind of thing. Channel 13 or and the 147 known. that wasn't for and 13 tnink--I a JL: that, through long or ago, '78 involved 13. I yes, or when don't yes. something. Skaggs tnink And thenm decided tney to stood I file much of chriance. No, tney really to make-up going to R Yean, you JE Yes. And through. just had to commission the hearing have the was tnat things. merits. tne hearing comparative It's you comparative these all needed Because before present take a didn't. like 83 a is a tough congressional thing nearing, to go you JOE LEE #3 know. I You was have on another the you don't know the percent, Syd's two nignt all a portion it of and hnonor" your like tnis WoldRE fall to GG a you deals thnat o Eet we had twelve, equal have twenty-five opposing attorney's here are with ten fifty percent. And paces on that. And sudden a one could I spent only learn don't I "Well, we ne and answer came know that, through that experience. tougn a with o phic 84 forty-four was have can't Luckily to though Joanne's and "I know, you invite one tnat point the it's but okay, part to is tnere lawyer a this, on me (laughter) know." don't I'd briefing the percent, was that son A had I luckily through the through us took just they boy, me become suddenly can tnat percent, tne took of twelve with one minorities: you you all all that means that standpoint for things mine the from Well, ask partners we'd and the even all And you like case this in day Because law. law Utan control. percent really around. don't thnirty-four, was under And control. ask interest, of areas one they partnership, Utan ten, They They sitting hour And partnersnip different George one day. about. about. about thing lawyers for next know Utan on these stand hour things paces all seminar tnis. SNt tnat This I'm kind N kel youit teaching of issue ofclomer I JOE LEE #3 don't think realize FCC people how many oversees realize, rules dealing witnh JL: NestasRtdabeNdeltiighted Rk And one last how the especially, things broadcast If the industry. somebody reads tnis in Joe about know to them that 1t. enjoy want you do many I Vd S Timls question. what years fifty and students Lee? Jilie in [ was ney day of Because I television. of beginning that tne in newscaster, announcer, the faet Sthel Eniitnikejuisic T Ghi there great becoming involved station. That happen tnings witn local pattern common started that were news that tne in we five the think, we everywnere. time s hiflll Sas Raritaist U Sl some of national began in 1954 for 85 many TV nas years made and some T ForNiradiiol now, instead And beginning independent force newscast minute His i adiof and things good a it- on S eV HIEF S BN c ol leading a career, went nistorical the e hianigiiinig nEe TR s £ G as at was I then But concerned. Dl down sortiofiSwent —tnings And radio. local in success my big the at in was I And say, would a--I nad we and cnangeover L alke Al B dnEsS there was I And beginning. the at involved was 1948. in air the on came Y4 Channel at and radio thelsfirstiebreladic asitieifiticlievsiisiion wrnen long=time a starting out and tne news, now it become didn't so even JOE LEE #3 exiis EEeaeieptiran remembered Jhe as key part in and hopefully way. All nelp trnings tnen and carry and on from there. ARt Bafty be you you glad to because wnat. After have an important the much it say you your as next for you Salt not career all part the 1is in it move in recording reputaltions a a Lake time, people Lee''s) be played generation is ethical nignly think tnat can say that appreciate it very person, and I If you so Tim. I and that, thank you very OF INTERVIEW] 86 certainly would above all, think I forgotten that. [END you know, reputation they've else, a if in Jiole course, like you in considered very remembered be time to record. would of That everytning the that us let is like guy forward, approacnable on tnank that record, he I'd of yelars. very to like tne and a deeply. and back Elis I'm each So the at move sit for Well, do, and TV it forward again ought and helped Just person, station. innovator can impeccable JiE an radio we and Teur. to stand name your much. no I matter and appreciate JOE LEE #3 VETAE: Josepn Born EDUCATION: C. and Lee (Joe raised in Tooele High Lee) Tooele, School Utanh. graduate, Brigham Young University, Arts, Communications MARRIED: Clarice CHILDREN: Richard A., David Niederhauser. SERVICE: Army Air Corps: Asiatic-Pacific BUSINESS: Bracken, Army Airways KOVO Radio - Tooele, B., Barbara System Provo, 1941-1942, Utan: - Speech Lizabeth Salt (AACS) 1945-1948 sportscaster Lake City, Announcer, KCPX-AM-FM Baldwin, Communication - - 1947, 1942-1945 Theatre: 1943-1945 KDYL-AM-FM-TV Radio B.A. Utah. Announcer, KNAK 1939 Utah: news, sports, Salt Lake News Director-Production Salt Lake News and City, Utan: City, 1948-1954 1954-1955 Utan: Production D.J. Director 1965-1987 Director KCPX-TV, KTVX-TV, Channel 4 - SLC, Utan: 1965-1985 Production-promotion announcer Mountain West Television 18986 PIairi tinteic i atnid WD acquisition. 13 upon license purcnase to Executive of Cnhannel 13, Cnannel =uSailt M3 LDS 2, of Channel negotiations and its for conversion 1987. Lake "City, Utan: Station 1987 to Manager Churcn Directors, of Utan Chapter Affairs, Government Association Board Radio-TV 20 Executive-V.P., present. Member Directed November KSTU S Chiannell AFFILIATIONS: Channel 13 1981S nielc tioirt "oifi V1N cleinlsle Vice-President grant. KSTU, - Artnritis Independent Directors News Federation American ArEasts (Former Television Sigma Delta Chi (Former member) Tneta Alpha Phi (Former member) 87 Foundation, Television member) and Radio JOE LEE ADDRESS: {3 Residence 2257 \Texas! Salt Lake Pnhone: St. City, (801) Utah 467-0124 88 84109