Vernon A. Cooley, Salt Lake City, Utah: an interview by Everett L. Cooley (part 1)

Transcript (102 pages) of interviews by Everett L. Cooley with Vernon A. Cooley on August 1 and 8, 1995

In this series of interviews, Vernon Cooley (b. 1913), patriarch of the Andrew Wood Cooley Association, details his genealogy and recalls his childhood in Logan, Utah. He also discusses various famiy members and provides insight into growing up in a polygamous clan. Other topics covered include his missions to England and Israel, his marriages and family life, service as a U. S. Army chaplain, and influential people he has known. Interviewer: Everett L. Cooley

VERNON A. COOLEY | THE INvERSIY | TUNIVERSITY OF LIBRARIES MARRIOTT LIBRARY SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH 84112 UTAH EVERETT L. COOLEY ORAL HISTORY COLLECTION Date ingly ~ to contribute the my Library testimony of the recorded University on of 57/’@/ £ 7= Utah to | be wused for y purposes. T Open and Usable usable with the after my following review. restrictions: / = C/)/I/I &1 Interviewee Interviewer d (,/ / //'1“{L/(7/ = VERNON Salt An Lake August August 1, August 15/ 22 August 8, L. Cooley City, L. Utah By Cooley Oral 1:995 Hi995 11995 1995 History Interview Interview Interview Interview Marriott University Salt COOLEY Interview Everett Everett A. Lake Library of City, Utah Utah Project #1, #2, #3, #3, Tape Tape Tape Tape #1 #2 #3 = VERNON A. COOLEY TABLE Tape #1, Augqust Growing Family Up Pad*s Years Members Schools and Movies at Marriage, to Tape #2, Family Mendon 12 18 U.S-.A.C. 28] 30 Entertainment College Cedar and Memorable of Aunts to Influence to Britain 8, in Cache Valley 49 Polygamy 52 and 56 Uncles 65 Father-in-Law Mission Presidents Mission President Attire 39 1995 England of Missionary Mission 44 Connections Significance =82 City Auqust Mission U.S.A.C. Teachers and Move 1995 at in CONTENTS Church Waxk Memorable 1, OF 80 82 in Dearborn, Michigan 84 98 VERNON A. COOLEY TABLE Tape #3, August 15, OF CONTENTS (Continued) 1995 NexldiiticstTwaliChapliadn S8, WReaw e MissilonliEoiiicraclfE Ly BYW" iisraclimyesbamm, Studypl CeEnterxlin BegdSealSeelliicie: B New SESR York Fo RO RCRS RO N (N Missieonrand Milss denary i Tape #4, 29, U S heemyiiehaplaan. 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TAPE #1, INTERVIEW #1. EC: So Vern about your born you begin by beginnings. and would VE:: let’s something they be? having Where about Some you you your tell were a born, first important us little when bit you were remembrances. things in your What life that I know remember. Well, I that I obviously was Utah, born very i;ig)l years a remember very to the my University to come my age. My first memories around the University at as it Utah was life known flu epidemic. The the Army, had come mustered to be the until of 145th do place On I was about I the This Infantry in May world. those then. great and Logan. Logan, the but time in into about of birth interesting much of College not privileged very centered in close was remember do 1, don’t six years are Agricultural was a time of Battalion of out, I presume, with the at the University. My a chef father, homes EC: There very were far taking and involved. see, was care was an much. of you associated of We did food the lot awful in unpleasant pretty because Let’s who that not the chance of would have been of we services things were out move catching six or University very much happening that was to our home too confined of the seven as the flu. at this time? VERNON WE s A. COOLEY About the I six recall who these the air were the campus. to unit it was mustered As far when to the out to against influenza among them in warned the deaths clear were stationed as we care them the had of to whole been germ. soldiers. almost take care right do every of those on campus, is battalion the campus, as I remember did go out the had to noses catch the flu. This would germs that might rather interesting were lot Another a of good administra- was sent up memory when I was in law, Gwen. We so was Los be wear there the he food all did brought Altos, found a so floating memory that that to California couple I have of My of me out the But that the not my photos of very He for was them. long too with time. was them. cooking white not father for But would filter air. the to we the services back little in people. of Battalion. masks, supposedly wonderful of care and chef, a Infantry we and taking that 145th mouths There was out? our a It to that. over disease brought them. masks the were carrying vehicles They take for be busy We died. soldiers on place was age. many had got had of right? Right And of They soldiers Now years there They tive NE': that evening. a EC: seven deaths. that NE's or possibility Many EC: #1 ago sister-inmy father VERNON A. COOLEY #1 overseeing were spread EC: Do guess maybe this do talk it yes, EE: Oh VE: Yes, and The first was I that memories the what happened Did they you are as far the close started school around the about these experiences that the was I and often. quite the affected this I that sisters and I six. age at time brothers My with association in five. popula- civilian soldiers? mostly confined to the civilian population The being Armistice. spread across very serious too. a This was of lives. being with one at This an it because a took lot I ever had, of course epidemic. But that, I remember thing the country. whole the that experience young, vividly. 145th had he epidemic. large that that rather when since that school to affected it No, it Was his him again upon recall you happened recall not turkeys with of back bit remember remember You Dad concerned? was do tion? NE: flu. not four-and-a-half EC: little I to was typical so a this. used There of war. the do I Actually, group happened? What school? large it brought But schooling your a was that expand about of a table. the of just Let’s as on taken. part his talking VC: out picture his cooking expression severe of the that I failed I University, would be 1918, of about the vividly the to mention remember course. very VERNON A. COOLEY #1 EC: November the 11th. Ve November 11, 1918. is that my father Armistice was blowing, Logan. old reason had a old curfew Also, the bells shotgun out and he of noise Armistice had come and to EE: Now, NE - It something you on was lived on North itself University employees is That would The student ECs: Oh, that VE: That it, EC: Your VeE: The be I union in. playground But still born, the that where dad got in the (Laughter) that the Because, I would that just University were lived 1, 1913. the is in stadium there have north of like been? of the property. The made We May building would actually, homes laundry home. Where on the started happiness War. East When sky devastating 8th Right of really playground the war. our vividly available one is of to those. now? now. in. privilege was My more about near the no campus. was at and was University. out close close The the a at ringing. away so whistle down joy the four where - ty. had of That but of it shotgun. town whistle there such mention campus on was the blazed lot that remember started a course, I twelve-gauge announced, the making EC: The a was was across the living in wonderful, the the campus campus. road that was spot, wonderful private as proper- I look back life. then. I had access as a young- VERNON A. COOLEY ster as a athletic I became barn, were studied I working for hoeing you were got twenty-five I knew highly brother a They lived lot my life. all I an me an all Agricul- pig barns, animals employment cents later remember of provided of which sheds, kinds the basketball Being milking and the courts today. That a and campus, which with a lot opportunities hour pulling weeds because during the NYA days I such a cents. my (Laughter) So age. tyke little just them paid, right But I became Peterson was in barns, University, Chase tennis me coops, whole etc. place. the the thirty-five overpaid. of pool name with about Gee swimming course. up corn, the to had of grew beautiful EC: it to to I can chicken because dent the access College, was employee important horse I an buildings. tural or of had quite those VC: son department, courts. EHE- #1 E. who I was running there on campus acquainted G. can the Peterson younger remember was with the presi- and his children. then, but his Chase well, older who was around. campus which is now the alumni place. VE:: EE: They many of Here there between a home had Yes. the there. I also became acquainted with professors. has faculty been and quite staff. a Did distinction that exist on this up there campus or was VERNON M€ A. COOLEY #1 that a more friendly I think it sity was ered a smaller. NE: He where learned talk about few that the He that faculty, served the place as two groups? because Dad was even the Univer- always consid- though manager other little group around together working off he had no cafeteria the campus I mentioned they of where had and children and all over the the campus bring back memories. "How wonderful things that it have other young happened we such living had a in faculty a that When regular would play I go back to through it just to are go is were women me to It I will continue people So drive to is just Some campus. dear me itself. too. and abilities? railroads. Let lived. men on How we the two. some young up cooking for about I go ful his or Logan wonderful learn a minute homes and childhood." he in place. members the back to me scenes and on of renew the my the beauti- campus. now Okay chef? your recipients were The going was father were Who University. who remember ability things those The friendly did this glorious WG of between chef. Actually, EE: I education. E€: a a more member formal as was place the cook, the chef? What did he recipients? were the University to the school. students provided and faculty a cafeteria at for the those VERNON A. COOLEY #1 EC: Was that over VE:: No, it EC: Oh, the 01d VE: The 0ld Main had the kitchens there I used to work no was in down me. I received got my meals. would to was there VE: No. No student Where, lunch VC: He meal with cakes. of an my But earth EC: I am for my 0ld the place Main Dad Building. there floor. prepare was working of bottom to privilege sacks kind for along way all to but with I hire always some through potatoes meals. enough him They other school every morning and that day. housing in on The that only private they campus? student housing was to I grew the then. that for gravy breads. make since meals meal beef, the homes. Was it then just a prepared? a noonday environment the a working lived made life the campus. roast learned and in He of in there. housing. that prepared and student they menu was each Now the cafeteria peal used BEE: EC: Building? basement money were paid outside a It who be the had fact getting in Commons Main. In students the were and He and pies, It them. has cooked It was vegetables made the learned and pies. In that make the has been very It been handy always in a good pies to etc. were always and kind breads handy the kitchen. good down-to- food. sure you could not remember what the students were VERNON A. COOLEY paying NES Yes, for I roast It I beef, five You like gravy down the cakes, end was this and came over The the maybe when special pie, the the line some pies, from cafeteria at Dad together. faculty bash at the cook the was good always at athletic team baseball team, the faculty the area. So In a team. when the a the have the ice a the soup salads, thing. five Camp They also every in At the cents for cream that they they played it they Canyon. came had Dad a sometimes. him for being I remember played played Hyrum or he on big He a the on the field for was center other such be to asked to always him always He when profitable with honored university. fact quite year Logan I was left-handed. In was genius fact steaks. was Dad of up and the up prices was Boys honored. cook. cents. beef take it very pick then sort menu, ten count and those food to that would then and beef. dairy. University. up all to roast and the something would the and that had the raised up beverages He putting went pick roast on You the for the was instance of item he vegetables had cents it for slice cafeteria. and cashier. ten a except they the for other in the charge item, every then Then each For come and first. a you? that would cents Go could remember cents. would tray. meals they ten special to those can. was was #1 town Providence teams my in dad VERNON A. COOLEY was always earlier #1 up ME: Yes. the He can’t that. He played for the a very in That came bad knee. I the other had how field. this never a Also in happened. student football the Dad at the team. team? football. or center imagine was always forehead. in he right reason out Yet played spiked some and University’s He was I football. University. On bat years, played EC: to know middle the of body a little from Of that his brought football that was was some at and bone the years. the spiked. forehead projection his course he result for behind top He He of his also had of playing football. EC: Now throughout all in the wasn’t V€ : No @ And VC: Still 0ld career Main? did There was not continue another to place cook and provided retired. still working the let in 0l1d Main. their cafeteria. Home was That south the VE: ‘Fhat iis right. some time. Then the and hired him ‘They. at Main. after the he left, Department of the campus. were the provider, cook Tony take of Department Forestry to the Universiover the £food for building. another in side On Canyon, 0Old Economics Yes. father the However, EC: Logan he there? he ty his in Grove the the picked Forestry Camp. He camp cooked up my up in there VERNON A. COOLEY every lot #1 summer of for Mother they did for him. In him on the back But he was a very He fact did a other things doing some milking of every night. labor away, late evening used to then run down about the There job. cows after dark in switch the chance got you can we the barn is always and jump in the the area would fun hay. always had old The get 10 and every the cows That was all in I chicken up time. We supervisor, the kids, we and to We have would morning. basket germs the kids used them trade the darkness house. a would in As each take around. after child morning that play to a did and at appearing life as The would I see mention pranks. picked store good. childhood them the were Skankey old So we remember (Laughter) in patted to wintertime. put and occupation. want night. the Peterson awfully his did a experience a bit milked at homes. they I who and chickens guess I they great of given Mary feel terms and the our him campus. milking a was incidentally, to quite But man to up in the that was made man which cows Every my worthy and married him That good I in lot. very eggs. record wrote able did That the locking He together. a was been things back (Laughter) had they the the he that. terrible pull to He that as for died. and find long appreciation after a job as of a eggs candy. for criminal hay in go up foreman of the But loved the of "Get to them out VERNON A. of EC: COOLEY there. Now and NES Get there student Across NE- They we house VE: climb where we us Were the on a I never time. a I up our EC: WE: to But the supper. I was there places you used the home It the them on at and we in We all to play across the and they the milk directly to the milk would climb able paid the a did They back to would over. get eggs price at and know? same have chicken would faculty get you we these ticket. a chicken Mother prepare that house would send a rooster for (Laughter) whether rather dad received Part run of the campus. us. We planted the garden, and garden. Eventually, he the than your No. the the To do time wanted and milk being campus, one we a produce from just cows. go in to was and and favored poultry wondering of by there? barn sheep milk that. if lot close. give of remember, ourselves. us would of parking your fences discount heard to the two employees at of between ran bucket the [Chuckling] pasture they in very pasture. a there." one close home. to give so be our where had that be the houses Is of right would to had out a barn would that BE: them union. pasture G is that Yes, #1 of his pay he had the cash. benefit We some of had that job a garden Ai]e was that spot that we used was purchased assigned the produce a 1little VERNON A. COOLEY property a home #1 just there. the students But behind We pigs. and the it a month per we a use pretty early life was us work. would We were doing something, This applied VE: Yes, it to growing older. He was about Did anything. to similar They We a used lot to of just loaf. two here married and was strong was anxious the or hoeing the on for corn or departments. As as older there well? brother very Liavell long. He out. Cecil was Did they have employment connection some real University moved sisters? have thing, hour. my not to really brothers although raised any He of an older pen. without either one cents to cafeteria communal was apples for 35 them they for picking out pig brothers life us up the great worked had University. and the He us. let to my for rented coup little Dad your during a west. the from work. about applied good working at older to maybe made My of a very he chicken garbage kind usually we we was the that I had not where Yes. it problems. said the to room awhile. out He What for us house had worked EE- VC: $10 would that. I E@: for house old So serious from an pigs. My to road was chickens They the It the raised feed across at was involved. or University the yours? had the work farmers not only out in playing of privilege at the 12 the around University North Logan, the but who campus. there hired are to VERNON A. COOLEY pull EC: weeds You and Dad was or He went. He later of Utah. She someone died, wife EE: Annie VE: I am not Mendon The home it. It was remember VE: It is eled. to come the last of sure that she with at was into It about, with the way moved had been as Ezra to by they came Mendon, married husband invited ten there Uncle her mother, Annie to Andrew (also wives with of Andrew Rachel. Wood. I know she was was a there it. is a substantial home. She did not and It she was cute a moved into it? rock home. It little disappointed place. that we as In a has fact, family been I have have not it. dandy. has a her. four came the around the had When She his went along who on Rachel. Mendon It was that. Mendon. cook with cattle Mendon. to course doing thing. that. grandmother in of moved he of sister, lived to and They Dad my about when their half moved really It herd But had rather a age. can remodeled. EE: of a City sort learned bit Logan to moved purchased to that father Lake had had and little Salt Andrew) was been a years who in She in Rachel build us course. of your Cooley eleven wagon. VE: Tell Coon apples that born Rachel E€: pick indicated railroad. & #1 I have been a beautiful had some up home. kind 13 of and looked Because a it lean-to at has built it. been on remodit. VERNON EEH ME: A. COOLEY Did her from built it? know did see, I in ent her from some was come kind her into of an husband the when her That inheritance the inherione who family? father died had left received enough to a buy that raised when not family. was remember a it "kind". She father quite water Dad, them lived quite right differ- to he stories this, was the many of roots there. Dad it us childhood, his she was time. stories. with in times the she angry money all Some Annie fields I almost to not Mendon. There his bring in Newton. tell about very because to being gave they people in how mother to usually This I the just disturbed my just had flour the community help. then west had used man, tithing eat. and the their would a bit Jane have still he it of They his paid to give Dad stands, moved money Mostly of Jane, eventually was church. think still history He any in that was. because would grandmother, any young vividly difficult and my home know Annie her he see Rachel’s. I know You little I do had. that Rachel see. Right. out or as property. near VE: How that father inheritance. that I acquire her that small EC: sister tance I #1 work. when and would weep He she at said 14 was pick the that there, up duck hardships he worked used to eggs. our go As I people alone and VERNON A. COOLEY did a man’s work when hay and that sort of Well, Rachel did not have a doing work pitching BE RS #1 Dad for a in Dad got a the kitchen work so job It over Cache as was only track. and Le Park. B @ Clear up YE: Clear up At it the West had who Yes. He far then. were of age, This was when the was the railroad just worked a helping in railroad. So the from the for who was taken of he the were became supervi- laying into Boise Idaho chefs Oregon up and the around Yellow- Yellowstone. education. rate dishes Ashton, followed to these So Eventually west to Idaho. cooking he were Preston, cooking people They around laying of eventually He as training. he Valley. washing Yellowstone. became years roustabout Junction as art for a Cache school. he went I to do county agent. 15 Now He not school ingdgriicuilture ECE there as West go any just up that that to to easier that. to eleven farm Cache the Oregon. stone from men not on grande, however the at know worked or thing. through on-the-job and I job, Valley learned proficient sors ten a roustabout, for he there. a coming line villages at got was running was neighbors? eventually railroad he his was brother, younger know the and became and Abe, it was history of an expert VERNON Ve A. It COOLEY worked the out campus member that of of there the that fraternity mother. My roots on railroad. to steady. my the get So mother that a he excellent loving some became called, as I He for should a do very remember the the at into Bluebird, needed a tired of just off Abe was a cook and a not perhaps this having this have was a something fraternity house and She did all the things because she too was a very there the Uncle wonderful old house least mother. worked I they thought cook They turned Logan. grown or and eventually remember had house mother mother. fraternity at roots to a cook, a and father came house was University house chance EC: #1 for PI ZETA College right mother; some PI very years. It Fraternity Bluebird across a was that Cafe. from the Student Union. VC: It was a wonderful opportunity was hired Would do you you VE: I EEk When VE: I will over for Dad there have any to to do a bit. quite out him checked EEs came fraternity idea house. work the what at Then the cooking. dates we the University. I are when presume talking He they about, know? idotnot . one you try that review and took this maybe do that. him over But you I know there. 16 can fill that in Uncle the Abe dates. was the VERNON A. COOLEY & I VE He was at the #1 see. the guy who Fraternity college picked hired him to EC: Would you know NE: He were up be on a the cook the and the he was of students enjoyed there the checked food. him The out. They University. the program mother The and idea at food My that. well-fed whether initiated University. started first as far course, chef over as know I mother there? at was the born in Mendon. EC: That NE- Mother, of is where daughter the men. your town. She was operator at where of love Oregon lived. my older epidemic of typhoid. You are VE: Irvin talking epidemic. widow Dad I am with and about growing a not son, up. If they They of an and had a her what I married. bells with young Gardner. the Irvin telegraph in Mendon. by the died died it son. do as was. I do did They not Then 17 the name as a That of is Irvin result of an father? courtship. did lived. of favorites R.R. Irvin, young one become son Gardner sure was Irvin Line had Grandmother the with Liavell’s Irvin Mother’s it. Bird, brother. of Gardner. D. Short They Liavell, EE: your one musician the they was in a and Mormon Mother fell Gardner mother a result That not left know not remember I had talk it Liavell of that Mother much about much too as as a I a was half VERNON EC: A. COOLEY #1 brother, the brother Cecil Let’s see, son of and what Irvin then is Gardner. Then Marguerite the age and came my older Genevieve. difference between Liavell and Cecil? Let me may not her on the EC: Oh, so they ME They ME f£ill him to stop. want in that sort they moved she see can think to of say to then an got that here but went with Dad. He time she let became of very only to one good negative my the that was the you took friends in thing to he was would get whistle and on him. When ladies. campus. You every way that can think of I school to faculty immaturity went I Although blow of when Ashton appreciation an have Liavell in favorable inability, and him thrilling lot were The my experiencing. How brother engineer and awful roots big the cabins Logan of. My how thing. is over this have around. around. the my roots I Mother traveled had can later. railroad. used up my in traveled little So that I in to appreciate for what I was down- normally town. BE: At VE: Oh, EC: Yes. VE: At the the the grades old school Whittier old there. up hill over toward the temple? School. Whittier. But the on there went I is 18 the through Webster fifth School and sixth which is on VERNON A. COOLEY #1 about 6th East canal. I do EC: Mesh Ve That is and what and the like, nities I had if you started more do to is, in school. be I life to as My do to many on old I a the street shifted teenager own trying trying the Then macho. than am tracks remember interested rather say streetcar to things that to sports interests study. appreciate cars. over in selfish old What the I am opportu- would enhance life. In interviewing towns, the church. built play VE: I I could to the know being trying my EC: not where Whittier, near We whole You lived in got the your particularly structure a was different University. early what people, social have around in some in built background. What role did smaller around the Yours was the Church life? they called a Swiss-German Ward in a sense. EC: Is that VC: Swiss right? people Ward. So these people with such we were, who names much our spoke as had a had We Logan. of section pretty taken ward friends broken Webber, over the north-east 10th there called the the Church were in all English. They were Swiss and some good Swiss Stucki names. EC: I had some students, the Stucki, 159 the Hafens and so on who VERNON NE A. COOLEY were Swiss. #1 Wonderful doing, they ty the as doing in. In were farmers staff, the But people. the Bishop K. C. He a fine had and a class Schaub people. He was none whatsoever. was I felt. baptized. priest say and that true except call these EC: Road shows. V& No, I do father his college a activity where hat I me life. to He are ever in got as an or not Church up through I was a around I as the was around were toward go. in an the That my the is youth, ranks. I I was elder. a To Church is not what do you in, to was They teacher. a mission fit daughters people. the they architect. beautiful go going different wards? parents? to would had the a step not was father went 20 was and bishop would to Universi- where attitude plays. Mother Dad who were grounds My zeroed My the the is they first fine came your all. go. professors my on in for man. I went was church. a ward, deacon. about he That three tie was you think encouraged of was at in no that of etc. were I Although churchy not was I had that worked care had that eventually my not I He a great time how work [S-c-h-a-u-b] sons just they the family. that the taking Church, of at or cleaning, couple Church sense like plumbing, in a Church. go been in I never occasionally. a University. above churchy him rough There at saw my Mother element he all. most saw intellectually. the A VERNON A. COOLEY lot of times the dinner and sit coffee and talk. Most of their within and him. that can’‘t was say are Ve Same thing. E€: Same contacts € - Yes. The EE€: With but this yet great him him not own sisters and so emphasis about had with do that Church. instilled doctors them I the that in not had a involved degrees his mind. know, but he deal of great with Does the University not the your with put drink situation. and and associating and the I Church. this apply to too? had thing background room on. family of dining Dad think and after honored becoming your down was because I come educated He that. would talk negative. thing. to sort their were about whole that of was describing brothers cafeteria men of upon professors the Much this your and in These subjected You college talk sort influence EE€: #1 on dad your the center Church. not people as having who going an did, on education was to there further a your schooling? VE: Liavell degree gone had and was an He became He eventually a great job college. through a highly oil and chemist went before to the World 21 and some made California War gotten had He chemist trained II my because that thought always was it Yes, took a masters photographer. fine oil brother inventions. fields him and into did the VERNON A. COOLEY service. full He Oh, NE Down was in colonel. ROTC my at older He brother retired went as too. a His College. Young Brigham at mainly was college. Downtown. yes. met his bride. for the Utah for worked He awhile. California. in at that they he where is That being and California to Cecil attracted Logan opportunity of land now. Liavell & Light. Power the was in lived They is school high old the where That the Cecil, training college EC: #1 time. He went there to fields. live. EC: San Diego NE: No, he EEC: What VE: Marge met area. A. John their grandfather Norway. to went were la. Their in went on he There Botany Cornell the He practiced son of Department and got Dr. school The San Francisco and did very at the his PhD L. U.S.A.C. and D2, who Richards did at Logan. some fine Genevieve head was He in peninsu- the But well. was Alfonso and to in and medicine sister My to B. Widtsoe A. into went place it because John she merchants were comes converted Chicago. took courtship they too? Then college. some Alfonso, son, Northwestern married. married had that oldest onto always name Widtsoe’s town. go Skankeys, The by mail. much pretty oil Skankey. Alfonso married and Hill had and school to on went Signal they Did sisters? your about Beach Long the to went went work of on for the to Du VERNON A. COOLEY Pont helping their in a retired BEE€a You had YE: That tease me. seeds of crime slept in one had go I would a dime. bar. about as had holes in Then candy went he When in other’s straighten and indicates that in me. coats in so and These two on lose Mother until the had I that I Then out. them to used I would wall. the up me memo- sad brothers big my company. some were there always mine of brothers bedroom. their feel and I Then big each rave and them within in that in We other. brief a family each how is drive thing another They farm they with up one to of hold a remember in became and much close a are love of rant would get He labs. the pretty We growing used They temper large things. in DDT George. St. visiting interesting An of Eventually worked them. of was I as ries. these family the of deal great Although a charge all he to moved enjoyed a in incidentally. where each on always like was tested there care background he insecticides sisters. two takes would they they some fact Wilmington to found In down was my develop where bishop back to industry. Florida we #1 as would I the run remember theirs. coat their in 23 to over the I used bottom. closet the I occasionally and pockets the two of to get put and and store them, their cardboard out pull buy a feet were shoes. They my into them. VERNON A. COOLEY #1 (Chuckle) So Childhood any rate I could memories I walk that remember comfortably may or a lot a family? of may in not fondness their be of shoes. important. my At brothers and sisters. EC: What did you do University, the a family as lot of have outings picnicsNandfthilsh e We went west a eat cane her EC: Yes, ME': We on going poll that lof kids activity you would was travel with the there. Did and go on tEhhing? picnics. down the social association to We went Spring fishing fishing Creek there for with down in example. Aunt the With Belle and family. the Fishes. would eat bonfire. under They would catch going to were the Bear your Ve Yes, he EC: We WiEt: African-American father day many change we a remember at We there a it time. a It boiled would participant that. fry a 1little potatoes. the in We fish. Or He this? encouraged You that. go are up right, he But took through I am sorry. us to Bear Logan great Dugway that had little places 24 that. fishing. African-American to fishing. would is they with relatives in that called times. on was cooking delicious, and with participated better trees cooking Lake Now that the fish, EC: go sert out field your Your only one where In Lake Canyon. I car could you could VERNON A. COOLEY pass. We up down or had because EE Did #1 that it you these cars Dugway. was hike old a steep and She would grade up to the hiked to the Mother on 0ld would walk. the never She was ride afraid side. Juniper and this sort of thing? ME Oh yes. Logan We and all mountains. that we going not Up to to e That EC: And There used there. that is up you there. to V& I hike way take the Grove. your as Was at function the Grove Lake. the when forestry near I do You ways Logan we of did Canyon. mother cooked When University west of a built up Grove could where know 25 up. up Grove. Tony students instead a there? Tony derivation they shaft and up was not a mine was up that function or time? old lake the those Church your the that about Camp. of on fact, and go part Mount mine. father kids, this camp the to is a But out It Tony you, know start In quite established after. would kids. is But not we as to rock there, that Tony Grove to up camp, automobile. Do up mine forest sure to Tony hike indicated not little hiked every to college am I knew hiked established? the a We We at Did Juniper. mountains. is Church, get EE: those 0ld it not of the or It go an They it the from. is named they would camp summer a comes it who in camp. called Tony was up this They forestry every Lake. and give them VERNON A. COOLEY some #1 hands on experience. BEE Did the NE Yes, I became a fond memories of Boy Scouts building Scout a bit little men that Scout those with professor here. NE = A professor here. EC: Once a Second quite memory and an teia getE'up' regret I Eagle. Master since badge. We Generally to Tony then. used scout dife I wish to speaking, Grove. Then out go it was once 26 were for But of cook few the fond was memories father the was the fond the of George of Utah. that in a scouting I never gotten camps while to on during off and to be a Scout the Eagle quite Bear fond a get been have I I had up did had three quite was That scout either first The Valley. became Cecil brother older in. participate did you ‘the “of one Sofithilsisis) a much very was scouting on in they cooking although But While the do Ivthink. now, many to I was that have to honored. Square. Tabernacle of Cache were and ceremony a in Scout Eagle My that. in participate did I man. that Church the in life? learned MLDSHChurch S program:» activities I camps. of the time your who who wonderful that at paErtrofliEhe Ve A in Cecil one Hill role active. camp. University the A asked scout R. was brother was any scout scouting, of EC: again, my the of Jr. and old Dad George Master have Scout Lodge I have Hill R. Boy built memories Movement Lake the a bit. or up summer VERNON A. COOLEY when we were NE - a tent be that Would Sometimes he developed what was live out of case? was except could week and a during lived Summer can I Maybe title. every Encampment Farmers They school. National the we summers. the summer exact job, just then had a had They find mountains. call the not the in they know a for work would they that. research and the not do I School. or mountains the father your Now, working to Pitch there. EC: not up go would #1 summer. EE: Yes. VE: And Farmers that tents pitch them were They week. and in come could campus the over all I was helping where the farmers remember I Encampment, stay during the then taught by faculty various the a about of encampment members. EC: is This father his College The EC: Let in two of our is talking He Jjust agriculture. worked TAPE first the on #1] about his campus interview with experiences with an tape, Agricultural the at Logan. United me SIDE who faculty whole OF Cooley. Vernon VE: side A, [END that they brought in would be the in the apply to best States. This interrupt. The college 2 was did noted not for only their summer VERNON A. COOLEY school #1 programs. historians the dean came of out up coming Yes. RE So VE: But it to the were to class cots in YE: On Oh. VC: I one in or changed just How Turner, Several is an leading who summers account he was looked of he their forward to agriculture. attracted then in the and days, home. huge locally people those back These people the in go tents. of into the people They tents town. could stayed pyramid the not and they were Army rows. the used because from to old remember I remember come not and up I remember EE&: River. farmers where kid. Rochney Logan There the campus? quadrant. a Ricks. that the lined on Historians. transportation campus as Jackson of State. the come Where Frederick general, of EE: field, the thing tents, some Joel in Because had instance, American Utah was towns all with fishing VE:: in my For to I Notre I two other it. They to help them came to him his great tried get now a job of pitching its tents tents. athletics, I Knute out. to prowess as coaches that 28 part those in talk to and pitch interested Dame about is used was listening know library change it the the coaches coach. came every out year who had There are as to they get a VERNON A. COOLEY #1 different programs. came the into would a help day. EC: Oh boy. NEs So Dad him was and big come the up in very, the meal at would greatest and so they that. Now that was meals old a early the kitchen and who So were fed. Mother not just morning. one Dad meal I remember hotcakes helping the families. dancers, fed. cook course their People in to Of be day. batter noon. bring forth. to that very ballet had saw hotcake in people He three the there a with was mixing stove picture. him That These him with people There people who talked about on who were taught the that would some the of dance almost every great thing. subject. EC: The families lived in the tents too? VC: The families lived in the tents. That At night wanted that the came was "Word the of were as we I that a that. We hot saw because, The of morning. mother WE: out as have a participate. nutrition. every This would could water, E@: they we part "Word I I supposed remember of of Widtsoe", I that John stand that as A. 2.9 how as you who ideas more of glass of get up religious my kids. Widtsoe’s Widtsoe". that the a warm just and of remember drink it, everybody some could to a where remember wish could did program was might ideas was it [Chuckle] have been it. But we VERNON A. COOLEY did it. one of was to She and NE - way early in your maybe even led you of They were all just general able bring is youth to year, was It Farmers the to what schooling, outstanding some of influenced perhaps life your of direction that thought always I remember or fifth tables. the and I have and see So her remember the smart enough retained because I got "to makelup for that. ¥Yes, about the forth hilgrade drilling how me taught who teachers, she as us with well conferences, 30 the us taught as us. parent-teacher I third. to first from went I can you that a mistake Phillips a Mrs. grade would was MtolEhepEitt TNgeoE in grade." second the that first really was I thought are my remember I teachers. direction. any in me led that "You said, She something. Oh, be would early the She Williams. Mrs. teacher, EE&: my Future that life in any know come in of think you Can are? not She remember to schools. your about do tion and they things I whend things inventions Also I highlights summer Well skip as developed? it as the those bit little a of That time. the remembrances teachers you in those all talk ideas. One year. after all campus the national these and 4-H your of participate year, Let’s all highlights. to after EC: got the listen or #1 yes. to the multiplicabe polite. parents to VERNON NE: A. COOLEY She #1 would have evening, did "You things Webster the like mingled with Rusty kids up D. each A. Now We had I a other. Boy that no This was not organized. it was organized holds I was see wanted in the you." She that the to I was with football to so I with to the principle. got group team get went the a football a door impression kids. was had and the kids, of the glad Wooten They them at school. group element. are tough another there. against the up I got sissy where Dozen. We Then a with Swiss-German EE: was School spruced welcome. that. School Whittier all are rowdies, the us of I out of they called the college team. We used murder. We would to age play tackle barred. It was just a pick-up arrange- ment? VE: Well, us. EC: I VE: No They see would but there a was sponsorship. no So I sixth grade. cally but I no What Ve I subject liked to adventure with oh the did read, and Rover I that They we would would have challenge a team. sponsorship. up I did great you sense. and grew and was a team fifth EE: EC: have in with those excel kids among in them forth, athleti- scholar. prefer? liked sort to of Boys. yes. Sils read history. thing. I got I liked involved to read early on VERNON VC: A. COOLEY And then #1 the Tom Swift and then the Edgar Rice Burrough series. EC: Tarzan, uh VC: Then there was EC: What about Zane VC: Zane Gray, you bet. I Curwood with the Oliver EC: Did you have VC: the go to in I EC: of the I would I called cleaning. There movies in in this it. the the again or and theatrical had is college with did you no take mature once I got washing not to question library library, more access Occasionally, I did I been We There school. at involved library books. Had at some In IhitElle bor, in high floor got books? my needed study in I the advantage intellectually have. school. never Wright. stories. your draw the about was Bell college draw we and those. the to if opportunity. What Harold mountie to I was sweeping involved VC: go when or loved to library to named Gray? downtown used windows author access go a while job an downtown college now. a have to I used huh. fact forget and I for some saw pilays that. were in first theatrical Did you get all? plays I things. I school my sweetheart in®junior think playing high my dancers with 32 on at high friend, Knights and balloons. one was stage. They high of school. who the junior those I my will neigh- The had play the VERNON A. COOLEY little girls come that. thinking my of those That is She was raised in Logan? NE = She was raised in Logan. EE&: What NE: The the Saturday night. yes, yes, VE: We went to vividly, through went you know, "You remember I [Laughter] I girl sweetheart. first saw my were all the the movie We that of name movies rest there was every show. They would stop it. of the Billy We rowdy and most would throw naughty on in theater by We Currell. influence a owned was which there. be would had Then Theater Gem the the see screen. the see and those. of the by the week they Then a point. a cents ten Gray Zane movies these had spend to right next lot a German me yes. called and up come to Oh down this They could You you build E@: old little thought girls." westerns. movies, Logan cute, The attracted that movies say a movies? about and I saw eye. where EC: would dance. remember one marry and took I and mind, might in really that there my #1 little a to go popcorn at used think boys. I life was Beau before Gary my Gest. EE: Oh WE: Yes, yes, Beau Gest, only this Gary Cooper. was Ronald role later. Cooper. EEE He played the 33 Coleman. This was VERNON NE A. COOLEY Ronald the Coleman, ideal To way other EC: VE: EE: they men. They like to Well, I saw terms of know and what were in they loyally to they just restored Ah, it it, is the 0ld they call it now. That was an that the doing. But men old theater Eccles now or as well other. loved eaéh they were But that influence Theater. each men nevertheless, other. as three They the house to other. people an those loyal each had Capitol opera be each other so call to supported approached Coleman were loyal like they Ronald manhood be did enjoy Y€ in always the #1 I would on me. up there. What something? I do as a not remember theater. what Did you had the that. Pantages has dancers vaudeville come in, the once in a comedians while. and They they would have The acrobat- a movie. EE: Road VE- I enjoyed ic shows no the people doing doubt. circuses who things became with always attracted really while make the muscles. in my as I was football I wish very hand me. now came liked in high and that 34 with and to their all see school have I put body. through. adept springs I team they that that. that muscles. them in my sort It I strength, thing determined was going I wanted head of to to have instead of VERNON EC: A. COOLEY Okay, #1 your grade school outstanding. What What do did where you you about then? furthered experiences, there when into What your you were got your interest was nothing high school. activities? in athletics Is this and what else? NE Very much learned to things I well. was so, the play tennis learned to Although, primitive tennis, more State athletic from tennis. EC: From Brigham City. NE: From Brigham City. We played and we the won. Our double Then and I we and met team My to the won to to one do I carried and Skidmore went which state, and I the quite was used on with I became incidentally to there of it that partner team over is form But Rex tennis went the else. interesting. That learned tennis. anything I quite campus. of champs. was the strokes terms than doubles on do, the in part Brigham City. included we went Rex to the championship. EC: This is high school? VE: This is high school. doubles not me The year. more allowed to be the championship, to football captain Box my the state for football got captain football play but out I went tennis. in We anymore. senior Elder 35 year. High into So We School championship in the won was sopho- my trouble and coach the in was asked regional always able VERNON A. to COOLEY beat East us. High High. In my EEC: What VE: No. EE: No. Track? ViE No, no. EC: What about was think was a the into and We did play Granite and East they schools the in beat us. outside of We the valley. of becoming football. that So an I all-state lettered in I with friends A glider could attracted aviation. at of that learned into was We picture in the glider. I thought used the paper boy, were and if a to about lot there 36 find the built in in you was to and most glider fly. We the things in the except formed of the this, in our new never did fly construction of parades. one school, be, process a town of high anything aviation supposed glider most I wanted In we something airplanes. that school. mine, me not me I came high What school? attracted course. that interest. high thing club We the honor Elder. played Tooele in the year in aviation it. won academic in, disciplines shop. We played against had your two us. Box tennis. general I was I beat basketball? interested I We senior and beat always fact, football WiG us. good we never They very but tackle could beat not valley We once. They were #1 with thing We got this our darn I wanted to VERNON A. COOLEY be, I wanted It an #1 is to like engineer. thinking, When could rake and came into EC: Is that VE:: No, it EC: They I a in want to in through an take first kid then. I a the I and airplane airplane ran all there be at dream be been might the stayed I that and to have when a and should come out go wanted the was would just was I I life that remember landed. thing life be But I I fireman. my I would it. Logan. to the day and night. the where out at back up was now? is airport University. the didn’t while a for there up airport little a had time $5.00, up be barnstormers the all almost to practical. that place do loved ride pilot. this what time. a wanting At more little be they? Yes. They just old jenny. It EC: Oh, the VE: That E: of B- in through on my athletic the We popular. prom guess. the as It most must have I prowess. in popular because 37 was My most the became couple popular most graduated I school. high average very the was an about an I got airplane This body. then. interest. my on printed VICO company oil was had field. a in landed high I not did a student. and I were couple, voted the junior my head sweetheart popular school. couple. grades with It not We led turned study much. I VERNON A. COOLEY EE: What VE: Seminary a #1 about seminary? yes, great I deal. My scholarship, know why way down life. I that not a ever in the still I get EC: Everybody, yes. VE: The E€: I What would VE: Oh, EC: MesE VE: EE: that go way upon on that I true of me down have But I that did I get do not always ‘through harder. which my a reaching have alil’ study beyond I been "harder not a point enjoyed grades. barrel. did I Passey. for study I my find mind will everybody. is that here graduation. to Mr. must the neot® worries grasp about Sdids is a They of a point, This thing that. regret to was seminary. Scholarship bottom il grasp. here. got that from teacher Rotary I regrettedi graduated everybody grasps way up someplace. Was it predetermined that you college? at high school? Yes. I went on Was this family the by emphasized what or three years. prompted you for on went and college to to go? VC: It expected. was the campus college. Not only knocking at being in on tennis my and to been then come football. 38 working expected was it that, door in had Dad I with had my at the I that the college, me go to would athletic athletic people prowess both VERNON A. COOLEY EC: At VE S What they give them this EE€h Passing NMES Yes. #1 time did would Which VE: Yes, or could would their tuition scholarships other than years. We sweetheart. in will talk I married But segment. general the that about was I later on of my end the at I that meantime the Then an way, that this took I college. to on be depart- athletic the with went I the them for very unusual. In had to take care of difficult from a very taking this classes. went on wife which financial point my I did for not one of of spend very year. 319 Finally So view. time my much I to I had working time thought got school 1little a became He have You go tol we and married. tried most spent I hard. T wife.!" Wyour 'of care teltake are you "Well said, he Then married. did enough. old Temple, Logan the to went we So not was I crazy. was I thought license. marriage the sign father my in-laws my I married, when fact it? wasn’t time that but much so [Laughter] So they in unusual work cage if other was mind and gym men the or three my not got get sports? year. junior E@: working no separate a in was for something? help were Yes, courting be would for course or something there of. scholarships scholarships towels They know give jobs. assistant but they with out He ment. did bit to and studying. I better VERNON A. COOLEY #1 drop out with Pacific EE: Is VE: No, and that up that get Fruit by would would sell in it to Oh. NVE: Then I That was with Woolworth. loocked a not for view freshman a or BEEk: Was VE: Yes, on "No, it; I went said, not idea and in me, back. Anyway got I a job not." was talked if you Then they all-night job. want that. So there my at mind. May I had I you love. I guess that to 40 on on inter- was in like I in went to my go pulled planted on back a seed went on a Aunt a I know, a little May, and mission, missed I am though even this went Dalmaine, "You about go job time? the with a an brother-in-law a mission over I got Woolworth when in thought, thinking it an brother-in-law, I on gone got T my Holland. have Pacific brother-in-law was at to the over. "Wouldn’t brother-in-law I my Aunt asked I better was like Then go and I where all assistant would Se "Well, an Abe he place That my should down an while. put time the married.! a a from when mission a did decided your at I pulled something. he good. They I I ahead. stores. I was year. mission, go warehouse. produce bit. Uncle said, to was a That mission?" and in the quite with It around so mission. their Logan. bring EC: Logan in money Smithfield? was Fruit enough bit. Aunt you can now I May go VERNON A. COOLEY on a mission "There is every even money excuse time I did an escape. EC: Na; L.do e But I can’'t say father my married." go to on go on that said, missions." I found a At that mission. mother-in-law. 1Isn’‘t She I thought here is crazy? thinkiso: and all I talked right." enough on the like are to find [Laughter] then. knocked you people could not decided is though for I met "That in #1 back was door her a here it one I In with Kay. over with and mother fact the father saint. as room over talked about He her We it courting want to talk He sat me She her folks. now and first her, he to you." said, I her time said, I "Come He set me down. EC: Was Ni€: This this in high school? was in high school. said, "Now said, "Here Mount’." He want you Mount". man. He teacher. Bible. I the "I of in a saint, never was held on Turn this know he quoted message of what in many, a job the in road 41 many lot as a He on the that I me. for on the Sermon on the expected of me. Just Church feel." Sermon ’‘'The ways. He where something "The desk. Sermon knew they the a I know I if see we ’'The and check to the how to So memory." the to you and me you seminary, want got He want been check to was he is had out Mount’ I said, was. But I look, across a brilliant home except as miller selling VERNON A. COOLEY flour. He #1 said, will take care That will be the my mission son EC: And VE: I had six Yes. YE: Well, VE: He months life. see we years I will on son it mission, while was I went a your gone. arranged. on a I I mission got when of college? You talk I can see not about the mission guess, about being the very later. athletics freshman team. The Reading. After that of Maybe I football. others were gaid;, "Welil,® stick to other team. of couple of fellows had lost a leg through a the I fellow limping that’s Rocky and around out went I second place Mountain 42 that So ridiculous." sports. got it not One injuries. serious with go to in I of sort thought swimming the diving at any one got more. pretty some for conference I another, I decided afraid, was or reason some for I, Bill of name the by called was coach the of coach football the not was yet? there he was or Romney Dick tired year. freshman my play did I college the In college. the to went school. at experiences He ships go on. was diving So So talking, there. and your it." college. But were and to old. of in want Britain. years football Under of three I EE€: part to you wife three Your EC: your what, so and my if had stable Let’s of call was you "Yes, phlebitis I thing. I would and the champion- time. I VERNON A. COOLEY went for time I was in #1 tennis I played on and lettered each there football. Athletically Scholastically, not and my an interest. speaking of education, and finished for that came the is back. at the quite A was Creek Damn EC: Deer Creek Canyon. NE: Deer Creek, up back the visit home top knew I opening the if argued about would. So Provo back with Eventually, reason, engineer. They think me I started I a district out of with of the the on on their as to it". said is Provo. I they maybe took Singer at an around and Singer way they Well, turned bed came mention, in at the Brigham there I Singer were they the with They about they as me. Company Then night at at know, Machine Logan soon working far "You miles. 43 as at see happened work. got to gotten them. got up could mission potatoes was me. background as working came to job, and was Mary few and Logan peeled an and like o’clock I a Provo Sewing a got a the first I there and I mission. for years in Canyon. for eleven who They night would it The from the for general. home three all good just had team I lettered was come wife my Singer Vern to as his looking wonder came at Sardine was at And after late of living Company. me I mine there yes. Machine to of year. were interesting. Deer Sewing BYU. friend University When I tennis tennis interests find the me he and to Company. Company, an VERNON A. COOLEY area to from Paragoonah Zion’s down as to #1 Park. Cedar well as great all In in one So came dency F. to me Knight, will get you they I Singer Heber family had this was I way these after being got So had a City and north vacancy to interested. in he in 44 been my kid. We a Knight, Dick friends, Provo. and that saw the Lehi. was I Dr. knew I had He when Logan money enough Co. got would that maybe the in get to BYU. presi- stake gosh, scholarship a help." some scholarship. young say I the in "My Kay’s of one Then Knight Jesse at University Jesse V€ of the with a School thought ought the at President the Knight. I So go." it. Jesse group testimonies "You thought, I about EE: having something. thrilled said, and talked of a presidents stake to the at neighbor Indians Sunday parents their the moved while. the Harris, S. bear of place good a and system." seminary be just me up I them became and and serviced I the guess Kay to really was I Nevada machines around were a for class my and process I up get would kids machines. sewing gathered They something. sewing the because modestly Bunkerville, people thought They to I sold the There people. sold City. time. teacher. I down to pay Provo So I I got "We said, Dick a financial my tuition. area. Provo, transferred to Then up to Provo VERNON A. COOLEY #1 and worked and graduated. seminary in and religious NE: of No, I I the a So What VE: I EE: Russell VE: I did a about wish I had. is as of teaching you, me been I a in got a education. I Cedar my BYU make Logan. to as the have secondary far at would interests back seminary City education you were under Sperry and Brother Sperry. In as a went. taking perhaps there? any class religion Hugh in school that my called that take religion to University weren’t others of major was for not taught EC: a classes did taught and teacher. preparation some the went courses all at then and the Though geology seminary In Taking somewhat graduated EE: territory teacher. geology minor that from there. They needed come under fact, some help, I so class. Nibley I wish did I had. any of you his influence? Swenson? not come influence now under but not them. then. I I am am coming terribly under sorry their I did not. EC: Who was ence VE Let’s in upon see, department religion the some influ- you? I can’t down think there of which thatstimes: EE: had that department Okay. 45 anybody had an in the influence religious on me at VERNON NES A. Not COOLEY a single formal RE I see. E I was time was the in and So he and Schiff Scout He got see Phoenix and Omaha be turn make to classes, a stay in like. no month Cedar the of back and area Utah was Parks me for in to a be couple go back to the went back to the Jersey and in was that class wanted and I a Provo He So at New offered jobs City. I "If I in time. about head the took seminary apply School that I that. executive at $200 to was program So of teaching me it smile West, Dr. happy to no Executive with After scout class. Scout Reservation a could was what as took scouting executive involved trained told scout encouraged school The religion executive. years I religion. the I Because religion. teacher. I them. considered scout of of teaching Council. a one classes scouting, a #1 when I went to of the church education, for the rest of I had been City." Cedar my life I making would $1,400 a year. Was Darrel you were WE: No, I EE: Must WEE: Oberhansly EC: remember. president down in Cedar City when there? think have the Chase Chase had gone. Was Chase there? been. was there. Oberhansly Yes, was the 46 Chase was president. Dean of Men as I VERNON A. EC: Was ME: Yes, COOLEY Hazen #1 down Hazen B.A.C. Kay was We and a money for into with place NE: 1938% EC: Depression VC: Yes. That were in enough We had this or but $25. We had no City. We I we were said am with "If we can the do in a lady here the Singer." So I That my first went out sale. and It 47 day other university. the sold was you her a we doing?" Company." us let know." said, and up at looking to sewing interesting some when you wants She there. me Hazen called he men gave are order In Machine help and vigorous He "What taken had He grocery called I president’s Eldredge. the to anything later at and Sewing Singer days here young town. four Singers man. that. or was fine credit." have Cedar stake of one to like "I Three was rent to son, young something and there "There rent, the very were I you let will "I said, machines, the went of cute went I groceries He of about? one a and vibrant. asked. the secretary sewing pay paid I Johns, Arthur Kay he was sell to when of basement us. got to talking 1938 to tickets City and we shine said, Hazen [Laughter] be would councilors, He fact money rent are time? years. the get In Cedar to what year, The to that groceries. EC: a at there. got I, found there the buy machine. how things a VERNON A. COOLEY worked RIE ME out. I was and then transfer and then go So your the Singer No, that to considered in seminary, that Yes. We hoping going to break. to all to at money finish the was our just to down my there education seminary. before you went with OF seminary off. #1, one encouraged that I ought to time I had resumed At the same instead scouting to we B, Scout Scout and heard tape. are think SIDE of back there stay teaching Commission- experience all of. in that Now, and sort I do of not spend. of what 48 I had never out I and utensils want So took I was had you and when troops. about TAPE in seminary without finish shut was in with scouts time I Commissioner the cook could [END and City I did. working are is enough scouting was District much we I which as how how BYU that. it. I was know in summers encouraging thing make Cedar after vacation learned to to stint was the er to Company. of a ward. able up back brief scouting EE: #1 In saying maybe now INTERVIEW fact here is #1] I was just because a good it time THIS IS AN INTERVIEW WITH VERNON ANDREW COOLEY ON TUESDAY AUGUST 8, 1995. EVERETT L. COOLEY IS THE INTERVIEWER RECORDING IN THE MARRIOTT LIBRARY AS PART OF THE EVERETT L. COOLEY ORAL HISTORY PROGRAM. TAPE #2, INTERVIEW #2. EE Today we are and his are so family in Cache Cooley up in Cache I She WV E: Rather a really make she the was lady that some have do Hazen. a was my is who on her would back take one them interesting ever eaten, at to other to a time Rachel to home because me than 49 She eggs. duck get to down a would She gather their for I do chicken not egg. Cache in take these think I out would a Always around. eggs gather to swimmer. a great was She be to and around buzz pleasant. very Very, used that one could a pleasure Just face. children rather have as felt. herself her Valley. them recall, I Annie, energetic short on smile the about was. EC: she Aunt grandmother. blood remember Rachel and Annie Aunt about memories vivid of let’s I but Jane, about much remember not do a wives? three the grandmothers, the as So there. you do What them. about bit little a a lot a were up lived grandma’s the of back experiences, there where Valley go let’s your of some about talk his there since Valley today Vern there. about grandparents his of connections and two something knew bit Cooleys; us he Cooleys many tell what little talk Vernon relationships, family VE = having some of swim with eggs. Then meals. know It is that [Chuckling] I VERNON A. COOLEY do not know that I poor they were and I how EC: ME s ends meet. When you home at Newton Aunt May No, I would how Annie they one were duck egg. I think struggling to living her she was not to farm the grandmother’s in make own out with financial- help think, I would would, She a time. that was stomach doing. so in ly remember children. their EC: #2 she did Ezra Uncle with bit a quite lived she think not? VE: a lot with son. She was lived She blooded there, born were the of because Then eventually Aunt Mary whom and way she Mark Mark. So sad about Uncle about him and about his kind what know the was in and the and went Uncle west climate to Mark bed was fields bad. was and just frozen in working. He take care of Uncle He became home to as and freeze of a actually young man caught sitting he damp awfully up. not I do was he comment my give but a position 50 Angel had came started an rheumatism. that to called his understand I position. in frozen he moved they we I before illness, rheumatism of would that children His in Newton. I presume. Mark Uncle Logan. was Mark Uncle because deal great a Newton in suppose I Valley. Cache in remember I that anyplace was she then more there full- her was Ezra Ezra. Uncle a cold I remember in a wheel VERNON A. COOLEY #2 chair. EC: Yes, the WAGR The knees could knees were bent. were bent always hardly EC: He looked Ve He did, move like he but of Mark. Uncle the They great Did ME- Aunt her the daughter Aunt Belle. her herself. her the read father’s Bluffs, Iowa. across We the son, and to about him. He side. We live Rachel Belle Fish. just sweet She was as much I know that That with 54t were I visit there was with she Mary but mainly from lived in remember I grew as should, I I I do was born course of me now with and so room by her very, learned ever now. at and more to really I When which Rachel, of spent us a I suppose gives all? mainly hill a her. where She As remem- is the history It plains. Marie as home She Rachel wrote. to care at not as lady your Rachel. do and not took in particularly wife Hazen was with older. I course, used below lady, mind occasionally often. quite of did. Occasionally lived His beautiful there and but history, second Mary very was more. her Aunt family. come her favorably. appreciated a that Aunt A very side incidentally. the is not see from was. Rachel They appreciate came up time. to got She did of very body grandson Annie mind Markus, as most we his made deal head everything cadaver. Fine daughters. ber. EC: a did. effected his and my Council how she of an VERNON A. COOLEY #2 appreciation in her who had the it’s significance, No. I was too EC: It VE:: It discussed. least during feel. I just called EC: you the Annie pretty W€k They were cousins our much were not polygamy and stress aunt family and the did I be at not always We Rachel. Grandma and to people, Annie. Aunt or Arabic thought lifetime early my not did the in the by ifelt life. of world the was it where an Annie meant. part a perhaps except thatwwas was it I maybe think I what in out people distinction was family Rachel between made or were say they alike? much closer relationship is do family and just any pretty and of awareness. feel all thousands ancestry enough aware was It worlds it Aunt ever Did of with it? lifetime, my felt them contend pioneer appreciate was stress) geedWBuEsEhed among you that wife, one other some or world one implications, that realized than just think really to not more have to Our were had I think discussed I had (Break) never Although she time? immature was was not it’'s the at not do was do grandmothers, on so she enough. the what hardship. we With and for Yet, same that appreciate NE: ever lifetime. something BE&: then the than with alike. all the 52 I think half-cousins. Fishes was very the full-blood For close instance, because VERNON BEC: NE A. COOLEY we lived SO we We went above were There #2 quite associate You bet, of me a in fellow. with him just my EC: What about VC: Very little. EE: World V€= I the his I Lynwood, had hill meals. the Fish family. Did little two was kind of used a to older. years a go brother know later War a ahead rooty-toot down and James visit that was away. you Lynwood World just One him in at all? life. My thoughts of hero. I. metal history was he in about had passed did I knew a the exchanged was I He James as below family. was Vivian me. that a Vivian overshadowed battles have bit. James. but were We that age He age They home. with school. was know their your occasionally. War hill. them? a high He Lynwood with son in about quite had the together boys you on often fishing were They them amazed where an almost his plate that skull put one that in of he fatal was his his experience almost skull. lived. He was one of He had to crushed. In daughters in fact wrote truly in reading sometime a World ago War I hero. my middle is name Lynwood EE: Well, V.E': Eoithaticormthatiishgreats EE: I inherited size. I have his World photos of War me 53 I in uniform. the him. after It little was cut uniform. down to VERNON MES EC: A. Well, in What about You the ever Afton came Logan. I got cafeteria for to too, making What about with Markus, they were tary doing to Hazen the all City,f he went tand down ithere a sense. to the sexrvied 54 He ras my two years or Lloyd president body was He worked there time the maybe was college. the at in secretary bookkeeping Eventually Cedar worked to contemporary and student the Married younger. Johnson. daughter The brothers. Hazen, and Markus Branch. Older course. acquainted more were We us. Newton the is of older, older a year that of Rigby the knew we and Ezra the sort are They family? there thing. of sort that at the be work of lot a did worked to father my by Kampen. Van Rudy at the at worked area. the in daughter. University Rudy married was relatives. the the She her. She with too distant were They is to I kid. blood That go older. family. Walter the not family, them? Cooley knew We us. with to and Walter the young were Afton cafeteria. much They hired was He a to us hero athletic was Afton. close sandwiches to distanced with a while. quite the in do with quite cafeteria. cashier do lived and to he just Family? much a bit But I was Rigby great a was see have quite two interesting. 1913. you the VE: is I had He BEE: #2 that born Did NE: COOLEY for in the secre- the office the college. Branch College down the secretary to at the VERNON A. COOLEY dixecter EE iof school for is EC: What about e They were a what of as not happen. our association the but I is the We were go one would Clark I Lyle would ran the well acquainted would The people we youngest sister. [Chuckling] I you get ing or Christmas or Not as families. We The we together times as What Clark, them at around and Newton to was must Uncle be them? say We hello see really Sam’s wife, lady celebrate she all. getting to old, too. I She Thanksgiv- together? to ourselves together 55 or a bit about families anything got visit Jones course. stayed Temple and of Temple Did the work of lot in a great She awful see was names. an other to That these did each with visit Gosh, did would family? went it know, Vella in and them close. know Newton reunions Even "hello" Family. that at casually. other say them enjoying We call, to remember actually see and each very Frances. sions. know not Dad’s can’t the to distant. We you got them recognize that. was to very what everybody. was is We with get or like only would distant. did street there Hazen job. family? meeting nothing, Then to as ill. great so. Walter kind far or a understand. the something VE: I Did became year but on EC: institutieon. Braithwaite That VE: ithe Royden NVE EE: #2 was when on we those would occahave VERNON A. COOLEY the reunions. together BEE #2 Uncle They always Abe brother were at the too often but we did was a blood get reunions. became a very your father. of not prominent Did he member. have He any special role up there? VE He had gone school and Uncle EE: was the one the degrees. all had the who had to and traveling was He the EC: Somewhat distant? VE: Somewhat distant. of not away. Uncle a always result looked of up was the minds, was something in had a to sense; the Indian the country. the go one to he doctor? I But He was that had that college. was Service that it. to. He all in a hero we We to Washington know he was the was again, great his That Brigham. mind there as highly very were they of deal was 56 thought the store going doctor. to of educated on being school Arthur Uncle by and we miles twenty-eight was a illnesses, had we if even Again, were there in as from family. Arthur a graduated branch. Louise put We over to go would we model the Annie agent our Arthur, VE: Educated in with Uncle and education. a all branch father that as Annie because one working about Aunt county the Abe He and a accomplish. us. is Valley College, Uncle What Cache became Abe used to all of ones. us My educated. not the VERNON A. COOLEY #2 university of get a little was courting we would see out a EE - Who died VE: He son rather it. It his nose. the Gwen Uncle our this was an While He in went that through. in we would Brigham I were He went to the had what was not did Lievell City. always think we We my brother Page, but my When stop he by took very to some close. He age. he is the the correct infection he was disturbed brain a here at in some it infection went could not save him. guess that took him. It He had two other He was University called, term, like they thing. he Arthur, family, young. thing, that stand. them Arthur’s visit. Russell Sad know wife, Uncle in to that young. died here. to knocks close his and tonsils had bit go Gwen hard a huge the It or a being into kind sad brothers, I a not called boil on as I under- so close his of Utah do they University right a very felon pimple way. had and of brain to and meningitis affair; twins a very who I sad became doctors. EE: Darwin and Deore. WVE: Darwin and Deore. Brigham as BEE: No. W& They moved EE= Long Beach? I do not doctors. to California. 57 suppose they ever lived in VERNON & RES A. COOLEY Orange County and lived One person Cooley VC: What EC: You in San who you are before she was mean of That sort of course is the E@- 1923 VC: Was EC: Yes ME: I remember I is you where Uncle he matriarch Art moved died. of the clan, May know her not she she right. Eldredge married know when [Laughter] are an when did it sort’a? became young No, her Did you ever because you would James have been A. Eldredge in 1923? one occasion. We got on it before. married Uncle Jim. 19237 coming streetcar. seemed way we met Uncle I just I out Uncle Jim’s WE: Uncle Jim, wife, one to was Jim’s the his me. home there. Whenever bang on back matriarch; she child. We northeast wife. rode for hours so of town. There section I can’t that You remember her name. Uncle Jim’s first first time ride. are wives. relationship good on wife. that some a vaguely, pardon her Lake first first of Salt just into remember EC: had Then Pedro. right, NE: a someplace. Eldredge. do very #2 was door. things had But when we correct, then she came to She would to say. her finger 58 the was Salt in Lake invite She on Woods we us was every as I knew Cross at would always in. She you member the always say, the of the VERNON A. COOLEY family, was EC: ME: in-law very Probably she That is the that she NIE= She did the will gave NE: no take over to do a tomatoes and I was married, was case that Do Not out a whole you with by. know James at enigma. all, It a and house was of the got her own, a matriarch. great as deal her of father young. She course having we of had the or to a the finances the finances Woods many That case was anything about Eldredge not something to a Cross a the and too, Canning time family you we After occasionally. There peas in that the quite their when then. she back a relationship thing that 59 of really the is by barn prior know as stop beautiful barn. do fact, used and is and family. inasmuch a recipient that stable. I her She that In tomatoes A. as She it. recipient were of on peas? We of Clan position. tomatoes. go going children relatively Of was clout. and would day of family peas us that no did. felt what us. had about was it. lot of really he knew Cooley she when Co. a she maybe her Yes, whole question your one VE: the Was gave EC: fact away Fifty. She all pleasure, EC: outlaw. with true, is passed or generous adopted There B #2 that nice of always was place, May Aunt marriage? about just it. hear This a is an little VERNON A. COOLEY #2 muttering married? that EC: about How sort Are you in did of the they I that one month NG > I not know that, EE: Obviously there had to the Moss It is the I EC: There As we polygamist Right. were EC: Oh, ME - Yes. EC: Do I you only and idea. is get they meet and from Jane, that Uncle there they 1923 had Jim’s was took died? so. relationships there in could would the a according only daughter. relationship, because there May see was up were a after a there Uncle Temple prior considerable the impression, Endowment Jim a had House marriage to Jane’s number of manifesto. however, in that Salt Lake, by then. they but I wrong. been have out of business so. anything know Aunt long the be that there under Possibly Albert VE: was that Jim know, married guess any did Canada. marriages I did wife, several married possibility Uncle death. first that How marriage month, been who have When that. a between NE in remember is the one opinion up not civil relationship property NE = do after family polygamist married. the place did get thing? aware background. about her with George domestic as relationship Smith? that understood she, it was in an that employee. house 60 and She was became a very, very I good VERNON A. COOLEY friends with of she that even I got well. George to with deal them daughter. with and As them. a In probably result fact, at she President expense. to know She was the daughter, Well, you probably that. I remember Stewart, a good I know Emily, when on out lost I this hesitated she other or quite to me in something that felt always have I Smith reason some for Then Emily confide to going so. do Smith’s a great Europe relationship. to Albert traveled went Smith’s BE #2 secret. NE: in were they Aunt May England were very channel EE€: Oh, my VE: And landed in bit about that. EC: I I guess. Paris terms of what a were normally be. I B. Hugh think there by tive. She had supported Are you missions. in mission. terms I know of aware our that Brown was as his McKay O. David sent own she as of many that family. sent 61 Aunt at made was statement a believe Oonly in little a us they that indicate time that at tell to used She would Which daring bit service. VE: across flew goodness. little would They daring. together. airplane an in the friend her and that close, very were They did. many the 250 activity She representa- missionaries at To on all? supported others. was who speaker personal as funeral May’s me give on my names, VERNON A. COOLEY Andy would hopeful would support statement to there a was me in support me. did send me. time What about her rooms because Eldredge on his In money. to helped She put was our to never eventually had he and I appreciated think it for some of aware of I furniture you Are who incidentally any the did them small chapel, in Australia. some liquidate over the 62 top an up dig to First lot first could of ones to mention Security they was he a chapel. awful the of one I happened so When building would we thought Eldredge. were they had people a very son first we much so done named is birthday. Jim’s Uncle on born in Australia, building were her. was he naming days It Eldredge, had mission those they by son he May Aunt him honor Dad on. so a She going Church? the with May of all. was and me, so, England at desperate support and Temple my when that Through I was in great." Aunt do activities? those Only that is was kind nothing that supplied she some Dad she to that that tell largesse that the in this to did She other rumored to had months made received that able remember "Hooray, I was had I had prior money. much. the I remember who she that. where five very of about money. I father, I thought, that been my letter or Rigby. Evidently Dad any has Afton that any sent not and a four after V@ be quite told EC: #2 it Stock and have the VERNON A. COOLEY chapel. I have homes, and people. money EC: to back of her a was NEs EE: is VE: But you the Eldredge in it the Probably was officer man. in size She used I any has of it to their helped of her had think her estate spent help that her others. was in the How he of on as years in Belvedere. she not always know I knew a big the was made number took had one of with any of of any of the A. I know. Only she died. that he Arrow Pierce had automobile that was in the two of them that he was a very, do not money, his land which of pictures have a the I do had whom relationships James It me. in fact, he that for the that to Belle they of In one I Aunt possible, Remembrance". an had in executors small. then except knew car. in The until family? impressive wealthy and Kampen. sense. and were know only I of rescue the together her Eldredg’es "Book He If not fantastic a burnouts of and with lived with Canada. very EC: generous true. is in Apartments sisters That wisely had mind. her other the one Van Zion They do who relatively very very Covey That was to was Rudy build partner. the people come I with wisely, it She has died Used of May, along she heard she Aunt estate when #2 I is a my very know. land. 1investor the bank. and, in When 63 fact the more bank than went that, broke an they VERNON A. COOLEY suffered e A EC: It a great EC: First quite bet, Security a they Moss family, Aunt May'’s Are loss. Deseret was You loss. of near remember, NE = great deal was that #2 you Bank Federal blow lost when or to a Main Street. something I do like not that. But that the them. lot Aunt on of money. May died I know tried too to come back on because of estate. aware of the bitterness that exists that? VE Yes. BEEs For instance history of Eldredge James is A. with there mentioned once. bank so YViE: And the EC: And that is @ That is true. they of in had the James family. May the In Eldredge bank Bountiful Moss there and Woods who there not and a James at all. was Cross wrote A. Here involved Canning Co. on. Woods Cross not In hand fact having place, it brought because I been I went out had to people. lived back in the There there. so Yet, many house 64 to that old home of the house history a They out May had bank. mentioned. reception. would Aunt Moss, and and wedding a Bountiful Eldredge the is is as no I mention look memories several times. for that there around of my But a the life she is VERNON A. a COOLEY great #2 lady. want to her and When embrace what I meet her she and has genealogy work for and her mother $10,000. Uncle Abe assigned the also Clyde, his son. It M€ Yes. EE: And VE: Yes, EC: Okay, was of a She Wood set still a to using that I for ancestors up me, do fund his When to appreciate up set that I and trustee. of are has Coon, the hope much Cooley Rachel was how I a fund of he died he and to to do Andy money publish for of the the it Coon for Andrew family history? Cooley history. that. Wood bet. Vern, as May before tural Andrew We part piece Aunt was to used you done. her which work. used We again tell trusteeship genealogical EC: her you indicated you decided you finished College VE: Right, e Where Vi€ I EC: What year? ViE: 1898 SIECNIE9 3. EE: And WiEi: At that He had you partly were your through going on schooling the influence a mission. at Utah This Agricul- right? yes. did to went who you England. was time been go? the mission Joseph the to Went J. president Cannon publisher of 65 was the British a Britain, at the that time? mission Deseret mission. News, president. the editor VERNON A. I COOLEY guess Ramona their EC: #2 let’s say. He Cannon were quite family What is the there time was the prominent, living frame mission in here; president. his He and They had Widtsoe the wife. London. when was John A. president? NE: He was RE: Is this ME: No, of there, YE&: Yes. Eudora, dent of the mission EC - Was Cannon Y€ No, he my E€: Oh, V@i He when the mission mission was Hugh mission. came Brown him. Then presi- the was had his was Durham Hinckley both left mission. whole over time? eighteen about for Mission daughter. He your president president B. the into came I with Homer G. Gordan and Durham Homer secretary. served well. Mission. European the British Widtsoe’s quite Eudora I knew he A. John married a was it know, you Durham, he result a as the of probably president was president ever was Widtsoe that thinking was Homer because Widtsoe. missions. I Well, A. A. He mission. British the John John that know not I do see Cannon? before European [EE- let’s to months replace of him. yes. the remained helped FE: Contrast W& Joseph get the the J. missionaries two Cannon president mission mission was the War. He write and his Europe. of out until presidents? a writer. 66 He loved to VERNON A. wife COOLEY #2 did as well. it had He reactivated the Millennial Star for example. BE You VE There mean is no Oh. NE He used as for tracts so or thing E€: Cunard. VE: Cunard with the of it given to while So while? of at all. He the some the to had So he Star. sell no of advertisements on other Shipping one that We were Star to to the quite a each use as keep the financing it. the Millennial Company. went whole for had them way U.S. the particularly Millennial tried he for What back and was forth missionaries? became I was we of got one there the of and Millennial out and 67 did lot Stars beat He editors. a as the of each was you the writing. month bushes. We the helped that Sorenson, Parry it. of not ships, there advertisement an had he American were these No, Line? a quota sell. but tracting. of We publication mentioning, a knew Millennial copies got the in the the But Cunard. I for publication Saints because of Ship that used instance name carrying be sell. he For the many afloat Star. publication monthly with to Eventually the to going assigned a all missionaries system of it. it mission, out publication reactivated EC: gone that were editor We we would were had sell VERNON A. COOLEY them or #2 give them prospective There I was first There to been lot went the just Now NE: "They", the developed. Littlewood. "they of the They athletes here. the had idle. So he encouraged set them the then area to Church. area. When Shefield before they Soccer area. I was assigned that they or in had Rochdale bit of Of games. of six to was thing by pence into betting on of that name on soccer. say the of a fund results great over there. England were soccer we eulogize like money if they course he would and on going betting how the gambling very eulogized a that? England heroes this people guess could our the something take process. which introduced But activity. winter in in wanted had teams is Interesting put He the Who a system could were a on up athletic for was nothing a games. the top in the and year been". was had quite That had people players. off to Manchester man the of in There football scores The sell particular months area. amount win our assigned had. heroes, would in of not interested Missionaries that whatever was could Manchester. He or The I baseball say Gambling are a couple near you who we interest Manchester is EC: of there playing which if people a was away use to the whole this American baseball southern 68 summer part activity system. to of It England. England he laid He and VERNON A. COOLEY northern part sections, the the that idea players, Some were word but The been playing lot V@ of missionaries He selected in the Yes, the supposedly we transferred ing of elder that over after area. It two was baseball. in the So part of because the they called the played a baseball league Grays. lot I of chose area were It months in the quite an emotional They had some the ones was about different had the best missionaries. made mission and Rochdale. I that remember was the tennis the We in had all at for divisions. and neighbor- there. players Shefield our there. Cannon I "Catford" other over that term by Rochdale Manchester 69 south team the the got I leagues. from play close the in England these in played could of with I had different got baseball a Mormon place baseball right? athletes the Cannon Saints". was play two young there. President could divisions, from So up when athlete. thought ten the just of team genealogy set year that it is President lot a over England football. he the they an call been of a up "Catford one as set the know part abilities He there south. missionaries taboo have guess have was team Northern we not not I the could team must hood. and here and They do it that north "Mormon" I England. athletes. Southern a of kids England. E@: #2 the to shock So was supervis- take to charge me that VERNON A. COOLEY I was to would do our We do were had that. But on quite it a on and people you said you was the could of VE: Yes, making contact. K@ - It was ME: In fact the People take the find players. stop would of and prejudice against aries. The put suits. eight a We to ten baseball. name could "Mormons", not use so this? what Was it the some Mormons. people long so they would we want and tracts So they worshiped the balls. Mormons was all They loved games. street. the gone these We and So people. the would We tracts religious or to 70 with autograph. your out the good down walk them flocked the pretty be pretty got they hand the to Cooley, Vern is "Here go periods, those during today to were you If really rate baptism heroes. happened I When you our that PR Press Wisdom" them loved you pictures, But autograph they the had baseball as We baseball. They many watch baseball knocked I that. "Word if England." of me baseball with as baseball. practice field. had use Rochdale and bat, would us and good became We the Ruth dubbed such was flourished. Babe out played PR. good would We this contact? you We we soccer not making into work. a come benefit rate equipped just back any following. thousand it at missionary playing backstop EC: #2 in that Mormon became the area; missionquite the VERNON A. COOLEY heroes. and As made they new but later of they were do but somewhat were it lot of to the point was not a attendance this were to kind know get contacts where very at of of the used was them the what they this to pros. The a good Church time a of involved. a program, Sometimes What or in conver- program, Mormonism. frame athletics means athletic baptisms made with the the parents came into a contrast lived between with of these program this strictly both. spreading thing. get the nothing about were In the We the you converts approval. Church. The the youth of fine young Mormon baseball smaller this more the kind were role or of of the we played baseball gospel; to become known. quite a i little were fact, many was, they and the way missionaries. were others fact, used point England or that In players, children you that for and parents professional a baseball did not later, principles to ing a professionals? the sort do converted encouraged We It our But people, the Was I program. only with they was increased and young the made As even chapel. period, this sion less VE: had missionary time? EC: we made deal. a saw we a the of this, purchased on We of conversions, was to VE- a result of great In a lot chapel EC: #2 you then involved in supervising? Or missionaries? with It is different the an idea of interest- idea. We had VERNON A. a COOLEY lot of every pep #2 good game we song. people even got would song to humming Tabernacle the those baseball our had have games. We and they lot of travel would in the some things were our I games Mormon to Scotland the between on with. north teams. There the all-star for example you have and in terms that we would the south was always teams. an in They and play and there years the and before over two a speakers miraculous involved all-star boys stands sing song loud happen league Before would little good almost was group. and nice records that the a had that pick plate we won interchanging home Then had We missionary really it. games baseball this was Choir winning. the in surround The after of singers We a would exhibition game. EC: you did audiences These in VE: Oh yes, EC: Was it VE: The a big you way too? bet. They paid attendance fee that they minimal. They had a had to bought the baseballs. uniforms, the bats we We had one businessman who took itself. was in charge of the and That something. pay That that of the of care athletic 72 the is sort it. the game in get to pay to loved free? it was or they us, supported support members local your of local way we bought the paid for It thing. members business and missionary a was who part the that way the is was of part I it. of it. VERNON A. COOLEY But EC: the #2 local Locally, NE 2 We and had to so nothing. think in South good baseball. holding to and with great we occasions brought Yes. I happen. do that seemed not They was like it think endorsed missionary work really and out go would surrounding that the and did it In fact we some On fire. They 73 South Africa, but in England. Was and the a success was the of home office it? adopted it. in played adopted they very happen. it that play baseball. of out attention the did we excellent maybe not the played miracles found in When had We We preaching. games missionaries excelled. Church the of the to we meetings, a As idea. thing of sort that and our I work. did in good were Nether- baseball. his the keep did program. little in we the got we the a competition? a Cannon had baseball, up dilatory we leadership Church V& it took missionary of indicated certainly this our of on branches faith many pulled You do kind to They instance, focused street our their played had tracting the with mission we money . thing. this they the big for President When various the towns EC: were we if doing Africa were We that and other Elder, supervising focused. there where is that Maybe No there missions Was of the Over other on? care was program. extend lands took basketball basketball that members it. must They have allowed done or it to Presi- VERNON A. COOLEY #2 dent Cannon could not on, the the baseball season, was 1937 so the Church last summer and a we done were we 1837 coming conference, have there, had would into conference of came over President Clark. They had of of This of central in England. him with boards going was what see to the bench. Clark sat first ball. We It kind against really was of on big P.R. for his barn for so "That which you So many years persist in 74 had doing Grant pitched all this. Grant you know, throwing until and Lyman of pictures and the play R. Richard President pitching We it. conference. this of President newspaper have famous the and Brown to to scheduled height President "Mormons advertise to was the at The in big were They busses. this came members The side. beauti- A square. it. for England in town big that right Grays Reuben pitch. big general the spot the on like teams Grant, President is height brought he their in something best the Rochdale’s the a Saints of going Anniversary had the and was Anniversary. auditorium. banners big or Rochdale" D. the 100th and the big Britain over with busses and building all from one all many had We Rochdale. was huge ful during We hottest the chose they So That this England. in on the visit to attend, to While 100th England. Grant also the be President along it. he the ball learned becomes easy to to VERNON A. COOLEY do, not power from We that the nature do has increased." it President won with EE: to #2 the what Did Grant. game was He and the things I had was change never there. everybody going President of We seemed but the forgotten had to a be great very that time. pleased on. Hugh Brown continue the program when he came? VE': was concerned. bit with I in love Royden who was a was of these in the see in and was I of one with We did gone the daughters man; had a ancient ones down that sort one and He lover. basketball a you like Servants thing. of One armor of Suits Liverpool. in Line. Cunard mansion. beautiful huge quite was He movies. the of Thomas Sir of had and England to had little a chiropractor young a wealthy the interested in basketball organized a basketball Liverpool. do to know not He how challenged on "Come played enough that autumn. is There too. as directors permission We that over I as far about the remember. said, home was of place in team went States United fallen He season basketball the from The it. continued He from the invite over." the game us got he us to We will mission in to in the see 75 a game of have a president YMCA this gym. great us. with touch to I can’t He basketball. game." go Then to he mansion, got We Liverpool. was kind estate of VERNON A. COOLEY Sir Thomas by K@ the Royden. This is He is There is team. I on second banquet. We were served with Vernon #2] interview missionary played experiences a role down have talked that up down could answer. more of of our a lot in get in their the the into Church of England a 76 You ideas. doing the athletic homes. After vicar came out can’t kick the mileage of lot into a was out better upper-class and made that said they homes, We by to paper. the of lot sort talents the to dives, against about bit entre middle-class activity. our had me that all prejudice a They asked friends of lot swimming swan and used of in into They doing we a the diver. the was a a gainers, quite received We to able made on as diving, Everything hill. gospel Rochdale. We articles stirred in could, the been much half we broke had so of gainers, with us I pool Church. the That too. new conference big his swimmer big course, Of TAPE sports area Wherever I Church. about the a full and because our exhibition advertise homes, of a an thing. were B, not jackknifes, We A, how was put against SIDE another opened this a activity. just part. us OF talking and missionary this gave [END side England of He butlers. Cooley. NE - #2 a lot of bad, of this. class of friends. we of homes The VERNON A. COOLEY Church #2 really progressed in that area as a result of that from the there any activity. BEE: As far as your athletics, kind of an mission today ME: was missionary tracting where Did that No, not you have we some good lectures each of of pray was afraid it. It was We the Church. they I How they the lead that say if think about questions Father. might have now to try giving of how feel they about T within had the the and about Savior. think a system I they were just pray baptism. I to do way them. a position into come into system that to current the lessons feel for like would us methods. if not was gave I is I would ask In there, that it is, discussion they we on. way. over got do, that from come to they thing would because them supposed would they where ask to the all anybody ask they that heart my in and so salesmanship would we All baptism. in interested and system to not told were we remember lessons The own. using gospel the selling a system we When Church the of terms in now been the home, mission our have of almost own talks. on you time? our the Was something the on and were again schedules, into came when us set at it? course know were We all. at Of aside of you you with exist part plan? so fact of a big organized president activity people asking their How Heavenly they feel VERNON A. COOLEY about different things of this into with the Did the London NG life. the meetings play an Hyde Park. on. That night. Each We police. just we fact, to reminisce to those my bit street those held a heart. street to back A that of meetings. We 78 in come be be would the was all I know hecklers Sunday out assigned Square Town would We there. to got we as approval of the We had all meeting. population. local several area, the same brought which would all the every the into memories to thing? of soon As on hated and professional the in occasion. one on had was prejudice the street meetings, lot sort that stand and have heckling with a of terms in I saints start then I went In warmth of support of kinds would role? come Square the of corner important would would local the and it. Church. the we services about I would all a system question would We of branches with a have had missionaries the of Rochdale They of have the Park we tie would no Hyde show. a was the through in then kind now because not philosophical and that give experience saying. are we there, did we spoke I down. you to you Did Rochdale there. at down that performer went of had we street that what If just a broken opinion scriptures. went deep their baptisms, and in get about more been one Then or lessons have Not doctrines seven hundreds EE: #2 of give years spot a ago where lot of wonderful times talks. would We VERNON A. COOLEY sing. We two-way #2 would And VE - I enjoyed I first got meeting in you my went enjoyed the a the around can just see it to Hardly just missionary in was until I as life my the I got the got took town British It and non- to scared of Bowlers these streetlights. street It on people. on. was night of I those "Come, They We lights. one sang They anything hats street We a when Barnsley. bowlers of fact, me raining. our group In of so was for hung up and to They I covered Come introduced Rochdale for them. What about the tracting, That was tough the for 79 med this in like never so before a had a have whole I meetings. where was "We would I was street to We occasion that on said, States. [Chuckle] atmosphere always they old United I was over not. never passing. introduction my have stopped. minutes. two We kept from speak." about would people did was except a passing anyone They him on area Square. now. were I us I mining these Town all Saints" coal in. had dark me. interested first Shefield me We that At little break life. lot. and Ye EC: a to into pegs between We this? that to discussions. people. EC: in gospel conversations interested wanted give a to gospel new hear in frightened crowd. That dreaded them little different comfortable Germany. a thing? VERNON VE A. COOLEY No, it did not was to that Now when you were was her to sort Not that that of married when think was the had a mission or really you I had as a in road and shows at 80 all. I do a father in for plays teacher, not had courting started I tear a shed Her attendance a deacon, been priest When me. what Hodges, can sweetheart. church of start been thing. active on influence of I mother. my of thinking by deal I on epiphany Kay Fanny Kay, and wife wonderful easily a great I as this? in lovely, very the church family your got that process was no is surprise 1little an conversion, of kind the probably my to going upon you Did stressed. not in things. about in a that now and day do a pleasant people and youth, a as life did half been very had you not day, other We We many activity was talk and the that me other all so maybe having tract can talking in contacting people meet the tracting. friend. put Although I all. to What a to all life, my at something? I hard. of me some Well required by friends, to experience experience involved friend tracting your was it enough Our were in from were telling activity go had people to most we We few addition just it, enjoy very in it with problem V& We on. field sales such could tracting going found tract. we experience; EE€: We tracting. day’s was not. have friends some #2 Prior me. and that a priest. remember that I VERNON A. COOLEY ever blessed field. My Paul; no that just with my NE: "Road we were and in her where I had when committed Mormon? I to committed not know I had a Mormon. very Israel". All involved What VE: Of family, and about the you would has has the teaching. At the Church the people the ward. in going After the MIA. School. very Yes, smart in It was a I a That go on "Judge in where it is my did doctrine. I would become throughout a I of that me. were Mormon. terms said to you bet. highlight guess I mother the that time in life. I got lot. consider particularly with a own mission you that going experiences Sunday eventually kept of life. Church happened mission, first a my in your blessing scouting into there not that Something my positions my mission, was I this in would the came much That started EC: I a patriarchal mission. all a in mission like thing. from taught on the particularly to throughout on gradual than called in nothing father, went got learned been you go a rather was much I I was was her ward Actually wanted and I pretty It grew. wife until Damascus" light. married is sacrament to grew dear Church stayed the great to That RE: 2 of the and two done almost was just part that 81 would come mission? would highlight the I had it your daughters who a the 100% here into a be, the of and part Church. VERNON A. COOLEY Then to the over we a Oh The The of my closest friends. think we did pursue contrast yes. President for the the Deseret the Millennial Star. very but still Was he make a sort or what of Saints They I are How still asked, [which good writer. of wrote the this too. Very call of that a the I figures, the much in Millenniloving fantastic and speaker gospel. mean, did you reports, have to he put hours? The baptisms, of number and of number the editor He in quarterly out, the much would or been He wrote do By had primarily. this thing? You were not my nephew were come as much as EE: we he testimony passed the was missionaries. question think to the on for a businessman wife man? the of conference love for officials presidents. a you weekly tracts of not just us statistics No, No, asked tremendous VE: that His emphasis number was the together. was I Star. Not daily great two and of one Cannon, News great worked Church. They kind. and the this love of to and feeling feeling not Grant for together al VE: Rochdale highlight. worked EE - President bonded was] NME: with at there. some I meet Church truly EC: #2 given mission trophies for do presidents the number of now? baptisms experienced? not. down some President from Canada. 82 Brown I guess the on he had other hand had, a law practice VERNON A. COOLEY #2 there. EC: He did. He chairman was NE of first That was the later, experience as REs It was before NG He was a in I he think know visit too. Commission A in our He when was that I remained well in I come over another. One might fact while 83 good visit. about mission in differences the always a the Mission would talked we be when a of I to his put replaced snap finger the our we arms presi- presidents. I odds I always mission President a at You president disciplinarian. strict of home attended mission one mission were would stake than came he have person- the after We very interviews When imagine at two man. difference who or but can’t disciplinarian one a bit, There a more him He a missionaries occasionally. dents. was had bit and with would a speaker argue interesting, I presidency believe. the fairly him I little with that him to a particular we is mission great was together. get is A have time great and his mission, he with I used me, a I might to always It I got him. around on storyteller. the conference would went during to before friendshiping politically. admired Liquor think, Cannon. him used State government remember. man. President and I his field. I great personable with Utah in established. was able involved a In strict reaction VERNON A. COOLEY was I noticeable. felt freedom from men home to seek, to more than not of VC: Church one you ence that That is true. wanted reach President up into my efforts of inspiration These eventually came Mission. after the mission. feeling for Cannon did the president. Square he talk that. Church as we of the many men back had to in Of course you know, a Where they their and so on, he understanding of we get did into thinking might about be not experi- high places, and do not interested your role come about and where I as don’t in and so experience in the a mission when been 84 and have and an what rather continue rather than know that I on. institutes but did that president? so we matters life and have why Church in now teaching see. this civilian your to about let’s was preservation do. talking your on others. when others work who some experiences your One achieve. what are to. to tabernacles to So to the trying what Well, mission what closed-minded they you the Buildings, with heart going from Temple of enough to In could were open with VE: you what Since not and went approachable. become EE: and study the know attitude man. the was of Brown the strict men. head do President Very too great became great lightened was are I I it above two EE: #2 How on? an ardent golfer. I VERNON A. COOLEY love of #2 golf. I was in Diego on a golf trip with a group friends. E€: Let’s ME's This date that. would great be time. This in We group of 1979. had and or ten days Tory Pines week course. LDS anesthesiologists she recovered message said mission, New has call mission to Zealand overjoyed. Carol will later the I be I. thought, telephone anxious had rang is a This Then time and rang touch "Well, your go to good twenty was to were we is a on is call Boy, it golf in call that as home get mission neat; be the of playing to was to had his in Center." time." again. 85 in "Your said, that put We Carol one said, He phone. a golf a This telephone was about Mary It were son "That by people the Visitor’s the okay He the church courses. was a before. 1979. stay to But We at in her. the on come." and Carol my motel recovery her her invited that got I So of of the for appendicitis. of with go who Carol, having our great summer rest helping would other the was have the operation. I me. would this and with times from course Of of We the process the In on. operated couple We wife attack an had Sergeant, and the of middle my Diego over of one Carol, when point San thing. take and a LDS. of or in this all sort the in were done that one at were We course, meetings a San and minutes Arthur VERNON A. COOLEY Haycock. "The if a He was wants Would hold you was mission said, I could." I have He said, president. moment. In later. Is Vi€ I do it I I I not had seemed like Ve It seemed like at have out the that have sent will Wit He he but we be would I was be me in as as as not been far as a for I mission you the I at the assignments next conference." place. supposed Britain is to the way I had that is go. because up did interview They a as at mission ‘office 86 to call just New Right and we did call Zealand. They that call said, "The He after they So when the made cancelled president. Conference. Ehe! and us me "Call interview." the set said, he So will waiting. come S into that place. the made but served. cancelled out me unusual where a logical talk. the official you, I make asked Church?" arrow go to come was logical a and back get calls said, called the assignment going it it already It and an to He I were straight you will know hoped EC: still are if on. anything. a have whether did idea. have not we be want assignments know was. you to came embarrass of He unusual? not where do He would Kimball. you. life, think "We fact The that no We my that tried to phone?" in can’t President talk the anything "Well, to to president jail. EC: secretary President there in #2 will Conference tell you VERNON A. COOLEY where the we #2 could Michigan state of to serve." Dearborn Michigan Dearborn. is a mission small down into EC: they Did VE: got the an my We to there. to was mission Of and the this. It large to go section. course, forth. so years. three training missionary BYU the to 1like Seminars for go divided a a go to were hand but were just southeast call entirely or four for there the at days five approach than to England. But we you went They MTC. what different mission first We presidents? mission us a there through gave had President’s you were during I send We They geographically served Yes. in. missions. lower and as program went like back went Then this Mission the to went two looks in population-wise. we we Mission. Michigan Dearborn So they did had good on your training. EC: at mission VE: have I No, who moment FE- The two Beehive VE:: The first the was House, two older mission,; there is on up from to have for think a MTC. State where that homes the of president I times. four there homes old home? mission been when here charge in Session Wiley Was you the Street were just up from the involved? Beehive House for my yes. EE: Yes, that is what VE: Yes, that is right. I was thinking. Where the 87 big high-rise is now, the VERNON A. COOLEY Church This #2 Office. was But a three-year forget, of Was this your as first because that like You I I lot you are at thrown remember office. from I They the into it. in father fight little when feel and you this. office. ready the was on that that MTC. never of 500 had the activity. went to I give two I really was felt you I had to We telephone. I had into it. come in had come One There and companions be. in I replaced, rang. the of had the been big one this in younger compan- incensed, enraged his thrashed worthy get just leave. did overwhelmed president telephone the I I should But mission [chuckle] had missionary years missionary people. like the between is not The and their scholar getting airport the I will nervousness. young call were missionary’s a the to neighborhood three you did any was of of gospel with do I Provo speech? lot all, the the directing to to experience, in period a went That corner of not a with had first I was worked the street we had frightening (Chuckling) NVE: We over responsibility time call. course. missionaries EC: this ion. that such departing just the the line. the on I was thing a mission man that That was call. had The father happened said, president you my need first 88 in to talk was the mission here, "Well to." introduction So he to The field. we put have me on missionary VERNON A. COOLEY work. him I had quite a I would look that could. #2 In my you You have an awful of who to the Cadillac men who a very of General Well, I We who FEE: George Romney W@ - He are more or less an help. You your have young assistants. member assistants that Another worked who was Cadillacs. was advised by them. all had I to Two in the head of very fine I used men. out of of the picture I the got to and him locally, know interested discuss Church were University professors and farm him picture? members was and well. with that had in I was political his upon called some a was he that Except there. quite in Chrysler. and Motors politics 89 well. as presidents the welfare the knew They stake the All there. work. presidents stake the was advisor. hear their General with often in for working people I stayed worked out not to what attorney Motors. wonderful people Used we stakes very quite fine They and course, very, was do as local assembling them. deal four had and volunteers? great Of area. two told executives. called a them division were NiE- seasoned procure was headquarters they very lot and presidency. who Were are father matter a position mission EC: the his of able One into with kind missionaries also talk that executive. was long his as an home philosophy. of few the other different VERNON A. COOLEY ideas #2 politically that man EC: Could NG Did not but with and you he him in golf some he touched beat play than me But I learned to admire deeply. golf? with of did. the him. I stake played golf presidents occasionally and some of than what I play hit five the bishops. EC: He VE 2 But or was quite his you a golfing play. balls. He EC: a to any The very beautiful I more wanted zones. of golf at nine I He have you Did Dearborn. did home. his was What University? the holes. play. near club golf the he became regional regional reps., but I month, these were who I had to see to to if me. missionaries. they 90 had was any one All the all interview That leaders zone leaders, the and then these were missionaries problems of many many, zone many with with had We stakes. stakes districts Then bring four had said not fellow. great a do They rep. is he stake the of one was State think leaders to kind there and throughout Wayne as missionaries. every morning of within districts district the balls through there in the is University mission many five not different up is presidents. have get rushes registrar The little there? situation YE: a understand? That contacts any I would just State Wayne was He [Laughter] belong golfer, that great they privi- VERNON A. COOLEY leges I had feeling they EE: #2 was their were Within spirits on the their Yes. EE: Were NE = you or hierarchy No. The stake work do was in the I saw the month. It ideas. You said district VE: would they and them while call home for responsibility for work. I was his contact many contacts I met with every through but it you had when you were apart from the Church in the mission we had 91 to the talking every month. the high for showed and them gave had we course mission. the a with and not is that me activity Of districts missionary and them tour to the of month experience. happy come them month from ideas Got terms every results fact, through missionary the Planned the in had What all me, you right. to missionary with very is all work going. was In to month. which responsible them. responsible president England That for presidents. a we was had authorities general EC: was them responsible He Reviewed were we where people encourage what were the stake every council the We stake were or became missionary the to young stake? were stake. missionaries. with for the given his trying there of stakes He these something? president work. and responsible the with missions. stakes missionaries NVE: working the same in missionary itself, in right? England, was VERNON A. COOLEY the #2 president districts. That organized places of the is mission. the way differently too in the we than He had had it that. Michigan We area. We conferences and there. was had had This fine just meeting as good as here. EC: It has You never given Yes, EE: No salary. A7 (G No salary, that B Did V@i We On to it As a mission president are expenses? were. living expenses, pay your it pay our had to work made we that ary yes. Not very much either at in could to way? you have way dinner EE: That came out of your VE: That came out of our gave us. We missionaries to with in on missionaries. ECE Because you had Ve We home. home The were and home had Christmas able to take a invite an you expense the a had, think, what? month. occasional without all I the mission- charging them? time. expense? managed a We $600 almost charged had was afford We had mostly. with VE: we me. time. What EC: clear living VC: we been money what to live furnished parties care 92 and of. they and gave what us. the We Church never in. all the all that expenses sort of of the thing, VERNON EC: A. COOLEY Okay, a as bit #2 mission in P.R. and organizations e More to that were when we press the was stake. doing In into of Detroit It was right about an you some opposition you encounter and Mormons Not in was apathy people the affluent. out in it you because same a the west Farmington. home to living was a in. missionaries We there. but the used we had would We there. for. you in Mormons circumstances out It invite England were in lawn. used areas, in missionary had beautiful huge up stake We is in a meetings set was was meetings the the Immediately which been for in experienced Did England. as mission president Dearborn? light. same toward not My in what the in did come with write-up was a zone contact came. fine would We our of press It had I what quite experts home and do stake? Farmington land to mission. a Dearborn. lot a were When us with the the mission place. for home mission The expected whole mission of meetings hold also the in would that couples had lived of a had We there. they gave acre gorgeous to They in terms in a Just for actually. not mansion We left fact the you relations, that that Press. were public conference. with @& or came Detroit EC: president Back religion move around experience as 93 the in like as a original you had much. mission in They there mission But Germany. were president, not as found VERNON A. COOLEY that the far apathy as the religious was in by waterskiing and big. never have ignoring, was just the lakes, ed in doing are people religion. are searching. for joy and make will that would the things showing give that wants them them come appreciation and feel to for searching are searching Everybody that They the was feel in from for life. in Utah. it, of the lot A A lot Pleasure". day on the interest- not do out that things thing, still more spending Sabbath the the of One were so people that searching pleasure, happiness. for to my was here "Babylon all the to pleasure. doing boating, much on the and so They day shoreline was money. call of lakes now. of instance, I used in used lot Boating that there as Sabbath its The here back Apathy now. of been golfing, out of big it for all much a more popular. much would we what was pleasure The had spending were they and I Very not has Lakes. was money lots making were People with awfully is what than plentiful so so. groups. Michigan fishing that is too things the Great seen much concerned; Union the the it fact In of because the very is any pleasure state there public among surrounded I still general of any being is fervor a day than #2 feel good. my good. When opinion, worshipping all 94 his do the things actually the things They the "real" Heavenly blessings. joy, Father are and Worshipping VERNON A. COOLEY him in they terms Let’s VE. 19879 EE - By see, itemMl been this the was the I matter blessings in the priesthood the Blacks about two or course to of was lot that had I at did became Hill The been given. I in very, Blacks. now we that was on with some of Stake. That is radio was came I my stake that I to high the on goEt way the overjoyed. community. see very We any. In upset. were increased working our happening. I the thought change did They in the Pontiac district. A man, Black quality Blacks, you his people. have them one you They wife I some 95 can of were and tell the anyway know the you finest I with but this It missionaries four my of family. brought about wards working Black by contacted were our before let had of started them to we one had with remember Pontiac. were What in we effort in Church. fact Here was the I after all? not the great golf lived. had months morning, Romney Blacks Any No, play three timely. of see? Saturday Bloomfield George that In the of on revelation They all 1979. remember golf where VE - was resolved councilmen A for resolved there. EE - thanksgiving 982 | then It of have. EC: M- #2 own into the children. opinion: people in the VERNON A. COOLEY world; at saw this We the that I was of people they Church in hearts about of knowledge was That they that today, knocking that going to IERdiidSnot: EE: I have made not them what a the trace where very sad of the they they from part but Church. problem. call no point the was by one of of We some Black call. We had cut the they did not things that community had that about Blacks. So will accept now our on banging change criticism world the great Black the the allow no the Mormons I doors. the you your at a all? lot of Mormons. would the They in think Blacks we to be ought down. doors happen ViE: is the if the of there people would Isn’t one heal the was the In mission. that have to Mormonism religious should EC: people to I troops. suddenly telephone tried To the a it. We Then what never the sense, into them. see received them could of a to lowest. service. Black We remember In brought the for ward! That of time accepted of the wanted recover. your in They these acceptance @ had some members. that preached a they had have for investigated that people you Chaplain Pontiac, We the a Chaplain in thought time I was a case found same when stopped. E@: #2 so and little Mormons many it has study 96 feared that this was not. of the Masons and the Mormons. VERNON A. COOLEY The #2 Masons afraid had these order here. about five prohibitions Mormons were going In last report the Mormons petition EhalEich HiE NME That interesting. EC: So is you against removed the to Mormons. take I to think come obstacles over and in to the They the were Masonic they have had the order and does not problem exist. V@ - That do is right. not like a destroying the thing it. This Mormons. reasons. Black It But we Detroit to where was saw send the I guess they is conversion. president to watch At time that so were Black distinctive and it a reason they very the riots had awhile. 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Mormons the he who in it "Well, same did less difficulty. if into that recommendation the better me get not they not were made to would this into meld could They trouble any stand the out." reaction. reaction way, just made much populous Your has couple streets doctoral an is distinctive I was the a Belgium. and Holland of his recommendations populous. who president on makes this any remove local the as his things killings had that is the he is would it. David Texas, on Elders do working problems wrote of was out people "There them this of When say, see still One of University ought We interviewed from One would pick they dismissed much. missionaries. they can yes, I mendations V€' down now. that. the the missionaries." Lake You for coming Mormon Salt #2 is interesting. entirely. not in being in I think uniform. 98 I have felt there is On the somewhat values, other the great very hand, same I think VERNON A. 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