Howard Smith, Salt Lake City, Utah: an interview by Tim Larson

Transcript (38 pages) of interview by Tim Larson with Howard G. Smith, on June 24, 1986

Smith discusses his career as an engineer at KSL, both in radio and television. Interviewer: Tim Larson

HOWARD SMITH HOWARD Salt Lake An L. City, Cooley Oral »;J.Iiv i y 1 History Tape No. 482 June 24, 1986 University ve By Larson Marriott S al Utah Interview Tim Everett SMITH Library of i liake City, Utah Utah Project UNIVERSITY LIBRARIES UN’\/EQS‘TY OF UTAH EVERETT SALT LAKE CITY. UTAH satr2 L. COOLEY ORAL HISTORY COLLECTION M I willingly 19 to scholarly contribute the my Library testimony of the recorded University 24,|‘1‘7lp on of Utan to purposes. V/// Open and Usapble usable with the after my following review. restrictions: Interviewee Intervigyer be used for Table Pre-broadcasting oL KSESSEEIIRS . tRecorders fise S iRmamtsmiRtEeR CE T Abieiime . . Broadcasting Setting WS Up tre to . Tabernacle " Sehiedulless TR Retirement o ioro dell Ehg i S CE oo o ficist o gl < < . . o G o BroadieasitingEquitpment to . & T FESIL T S8 RemeicBroadicasting Promotion o Electronics after PG . el Gonsullting 6 e Croir o CRE WEWS . Transmitters RieiEninlemen ESIL . e MevieStomMaiinitenanicle Upgrading S SR Television Braadealstitng Contents Backgréund SEaeEnsia e KSIESRadier SVAMBSRado of o Department NcewiiEngineerst TR . = oo o - o - Head o 0 f 000 s s s e . . . . THIS IS AN INTERVIEW WITH HOWARD SMITH. WE ARE AT HIS HOME IRNESAERRIE B2 QRG HTHSAVENUES - SALT LAKE CITY, UT 84103. IFRES IR OSRENSSTHESARMERNOONSON® JUNE 24 - 1986. AND THIS IS IFEMES A RS ONSEQTENGEHESENTERVIEWING .. THIS IS PART OF THE EVEREBIISHSCOQHEYNQRAESHTISTORY PROJECT. iAo e HS: dEltlleestodo you first got the first few Why, my I interested days remember mission, I I went planned to waseiallite like I'was the Cumorah an Hill S lhademys Lifles into of aeronautical s miitsisiifon = Ciotlh adl fo' me, how were came well Utah iaitiebbiys and so 1940 a dumb off broadcasting. planned:. in 1939, I but I tihie | Easitiern in for I engineering, produce Pageant of What when pretty University called for experience Well, going Wrecordwpliayers, missioen); beginning job? of Mits's ieniBeifiorellilie ity S i th ampiliiifilers the idea into dMionsEal on the broadcasting. no the go in [laugh] had to at those. EnEfacEaisthought When isiistart States of elicctronies, ferth. During musie and and seund that little was guy my for quite knew whno notring. RIS Eor s thicaHnlil s Cumeriain? HSER TR T asibaci every summer. EbLIEE on. I e nC I looked really o e came at viery home the how you tell I got isipecial a ot R o SEpla Rc was I missionary. Wrhen won't I SC DU B N e Wi Yo rlc,s Tt InWPailimyral to scared death gees on involved in astill ifer - a Neall about doing well from my mission, aeronautics field, the war "Uncle was Sam" HOWARD SMITH WSS #1 B uenanigeut i aiiineraf t * people neediedi¥semessurgery. ‘I had that dief cumedisSrantaray . service, wistieS e cupeRatedt job, I reicR went over iR di S experience, af gl so slast Andi to ticins took A HSE NMearmaNpagieln S RIdEsHiERin and months was period ‘around So I I idea for ‘nad control I a They 1Tittle started that I in April could spend ireem. page? WaSIRCHERtI e BsEHb i Bullding. The off at my would elevator That work control ran switeching, 2ll1 for rooem there all an hour eachtday. engineer first for KSL job observing at the the about liebbiy.. would assist " The patching, I'd get whoever was on the the radio tre that copy all in didn't (records), and idea engineering time disks P alcii fitile and witn read statilon open, the trhat announcers broadcast about my Now the engineers was was rooms. front deors and part-time diskjockeys, Regular Sthie flic ol clfaitihel Noillid N Uin oM backside ellevator. I gross. interviewed. “anid on. helimaster Tillss HiSE was adgudide A with!the IinWt six leelcing and me the surgery a Yenigliinclerisi they EiimeNobServincy s for soiinl KSL by the have while thre all the did the I audio work. production. four and Mel weeks a half Wright asked if 2 as guide, observing who I a was would the come and in I'd the chief and work control studio watch the HOWARD SMITH Sign It #1 en of was the the my station third engineer dEldnERE day who toe the i auto-ring the the phone and Satld e RIEN iy okay," tkhe phone. [laugh] they TILs HS: AN G o PR pia switches and miisaicAINndERIESs you know YEcISIMERU whnere in intaboute on one audio." BebANii the up the phone s ittt S e rie cn ! "pliant the job. the on day I "0, hung later minutes wa answered I and said Sveiicianiiturn® after fivielminutes €o" 2 2 sign six on. and ke 'saidi s And get’ there That nietwork."! me are?" deesnl't UNTIE S Bah Y the morning switches network Tne the some Send ands miulsiier enitMhimSseme the you can "Now said, he ailllitize fillipped e S Sem piia tilons s cnilisemE e G lcalvistinin the T was up some sef job-- olicliockiiscndiime show me omiemiisiiielit third my the i "Send a say, and Wit it on at and lines wversa. vice and five ik o is on day Third and czll the wnen station 5:20 picked engineer about So diom This [laugh] on hiel eing injeer==ii'sn¥£ - here." Beb==it transmitter ) i the would you said, g aiiG ola InEERUS eind M mieis WHiewE sign about outl o'clock. e M b hionle ® rlangh that rings end other end" USS T six the sign ‘thenre check® s el SRce Bl transmitter to transmitter o at watching get iSendinessemesinus e IEleNSSI morning assigned Slietd six the there was S howupi. quarter in was announcer same said, I our Do by six first came procedure. HOWARD HS SMITH Well, #1 of we had we had course, as far of in as those days AM broadcasting delaying was was programs the only concerned. were thing The soft-cut way sixteen inchNditsksi TR Did HSE Yeah. you get The this? KSL (Framed engineers RitREhMbEREhday T T st s October Look of 1946. dewnitatiithie s boittom? mERuCiESIpc record only lathe, we genleratiedio have f fNeif gave at the of on each and¥iseuind), came. wire Thi's It Well, during the s KESIIE Sk KSL. We had gobl ' it. "It Senviicc T BuUit first a war the war, the music was of @ fif tieent fivie, 'si xi i had ineh "or isevien of music magnetie had ‘a That's the until we ‘en Cape developed one of a thnose. recording. recorder. I don't know where they when I came back from the a2 little 'there just WilEwals) thrcugRsthicsnlaciners mizgnletiiieMrccorder way fifiteen cut libraries in engineer were All Germany magnetic wire wals great that the After fhiad baek That!s" tholse *tiype sixty- cut See the program. had ‘continued recorder. was We my destroyed. salisiimiiliar side. on I Smithi. and any that that e ourise, plfatiticrseEachidaskRoriirecord cuts me H. once, ET.) label. siayst Qi played or record Lt s Tidielot reccrd record "I It knew." 5 was You wire thin magnetic, were that the supposed ran first to be HOWARD SMITH #1 ahlieltaRtileltnenwiire dn.a maEchimundiepimitaiand sweld [laugh] I was dedication-of the remember BseiEkhe Place, recorded that Eeep statiion. TE: Who did HS' Stan when Stan Reese. Stan and it you all HS: Neossmaramiiliaunghter] trhat tape a silver Brush it This there and back to We' tape it, it didn't It first 6 tyou MCan problem the with automstic no rewinding. on It Jjust was iron brush out? it It try. long not the developed witnr [l aughterl 'pad had handful place. wire. These & me And said, 2T And. Ehere 5 the master go?" it handed was remember on did how straighten to I was I Brilles broke Corporation recorder s paper-based that the over Were of a the it Muzak. sesiatindeard gl b wire able ever a rewinding e nandful brought re And Hlidslkken And out?" \the iff wire spread believe wup o f s st W olkiaya g - Moisit you ' are siteps and run worked. 1947, been "0h, 'Stan, il e Siofaip Ifs never in remote, tre from eillgolced aflhiinc SN wicke . and home--I developed recording?" the straighten wire later back R el S Wt et came He'd broke it monument on controliSandiMiEsaidiico "Where's it but Reese Monument. came gesssos it, the program if now? that Stan knot oxide and after first machines it Jjust was that magnetic had were looked like we a HOWARD SMITH you 2 {1 were running bilfacldlvar Bl anii about developed minutes of a you could ran fifteen inchres Per second. [laughter] was put not had a big of twoe or three with their PSS AndNe ficlour se S firomthien’ better recording anitiinichandMalhailsf Y peiri names that are L2 Hoffman or HSt Hoffman. Tl Stencile St G olEnttals ACNE nineteen no at that en in ran and 'very: the time. came and a generation a slow He'f fman' tape Ampex thel =z and All seven with three fisecond i longer reel, second that store built it. came glavieocodNqualiity W Stiencille’ Hoffman on trat used would program machine reads Brush which later with Stencile recorder. years along of tape came was too. that fourteen-inch per it fragile splice Stencile of tape as tape a full-hour Really, along tape about of about Then programs. machine it. could reel big It that you broke. eighth-inch fifteen HISS it through Wit | was. #lleaisit’ when who an and NaE tape Hoffman paper e papert Bye scotch wax and" ralf, and then still Brush axe machine was industry. Carlson? Hoffman. itemee inches wide maie htine and was delay il Trhat allowed you to do Sk That allowed "us to delay i a shop. about and full The four taped feet high. broadcasts. half-hour. Up until HOWARD SMITH #1 EnaltEimeis itttelen=dneh pliat ters of delayed program, cut to one then cuttings when you played the end cue to by stogether BviecoRdNandipuitREhoise s Ewol ils and the liisten higelaonitihiesai st ivoulidi half-hour a record carry overlap then half; a and minute a about you have You'd record. second and only had you 1 f Sel, SitftecnSniinvtesNansalsiidens would a by that of the ear. fior crossover. il You HSE Yesi.. not cut inside trhe made firc quencyshEtAERNE days peoeple SRl o M walsE asympheny. then e it NeuEmyeid Flilcmia quite s volpta a or a we definite a musical attention hiiand But thoise in to that that 'serth eif i filyou werie Sin program of serts, problem. tnicisclion CRNaEicitieicilichimieor minutes? S pleec el noitenetiiceabl pregram became much that ‘pay coNEE SRV aesiled €Iy Sb s when So hialt s wiaisnoeit iiceabilie .. But didn't i on alwsys was there changeover, the the response record. the wheel--of the of rim outer frequency the as on response frequenecy the good as not was inside so And out. were records These inside. the on same Ethe was responsie “fireqiiency thie S e haite st andisthat At problem one was There cuttings. separate Two Wittt lathes. two had wthe s B. Tos onlly deliay s and them then play fifteen HOWARD HSk RIS SMITH Some programs is just and a were like half today. or fime efiday Correet, day eutting "I HS: Oh, nobody TRl You have delayed HS': Well, WiSIEc RN Ss B dubbed to We have it up still KSE of and here. few kept of the a hard a have effects come via records the changed Wrhen you could get instantaneous edit soemethning marvelous. dub and 9 our All arms. tnat te pick In fact, up I cut e hiem hiadt time finding = now. hocked we've tapes. and was to gius© where along, it start funeral it play to zudio of T bt came tape, the country, We'd around. them tape magnetic the grandfather's my on ecouple or York. o'clock university over dubbed rour anymore. is enough at up seven of You tape. or here, across sie riviiicle’ . big sound our one ER Tlne pras hour, gone. lathe that's one New right z very I network programing. is what audio arm pick-up an our “o'eclock in ‘about much are that some nave ran York from cut there shiix change New knows a it ‘recall pretty sEuff That All hanigled © aceordingly. o'clock Tl hour. days. that times »vals nine the EiSE an They're sometimes Sepeigwamiinigitc RIsE: delayed SeERItEENEa nile s Senicitaililfyaics siame HS 2 #1 back When and until all and music magnetic whole industry. playback off you begin could forth, of it was HOWARD SMITH i#1 marvelous. s Changed St Completely. 1 LS --and HISES You see, you couldn't edit. It was hard. Eriippeditoniat word St wast there. at production-- talent the and creativity when you beginning cut and iRIE EhenSvould HS: Yeah. L It HS: Nnda was a ihavie o Elhic M prodiuiciCilons over TG in fimaiv s Tnat ey Year one HSh: fonwlzadetenipre by insertion record, ke kave thing to over or start again. wax. thingis thad™ toll be oivert that somebody were, really perfecit in a a2 s s Iifttyie well, thirfeen goofed. Start all 1t allSenione ‘tape. disk. of records. musie, whole coughed program. teon'ene chalk You'd ciidINSiCiar I elvieA RveiliNwanted is Somebody why, [laugh] HiSk All of Moy where again. platter, 1t. ‘ehat S SparcedWpregrams minutes the destrey piece siFasre st sixteen-inch antwax . ol wasted a do YeouScoulid@nectiedit and-- If would and what much It a producer find we wanted it maybe used to 10 do & in do was otherwises We used to certain mood of manually. done was music "washardto the run middle a of piece a of HOWARD SMITH epallki and #1 aengsse that that would erase dunphin'sSpradiuie turntable RIS O, HS: Hold and Jhlte HS: a Nt tille apel SRt s HS: as be deeper @nEhe On the to strange indentation moved threerecord, the mark. heard never I'd chalk. chalk. and cellophane vertical you. In other rleciord Ing moved wider, and passed it and was made sideways, there the When cut. vertical the an made and a Now cuts. words, records. vertically On needle. rais’ a hear you'd the passed It pocket. your in had bad horizontally needle the Reza Zeonal began. to of go sometimes Mwasiinoet needle as the turntable the half chalk always chalk recording zag So on chalk turn the the the n e rihodsiofi ol it spot point. record the let because bad hlidsisirass might Wren that that about things: you something Ifatler alfic s tnhat where to wonderful. little was in that you at two That's That's is Chalk when with 1dea great eitrher. [laugh] to back speed to up get That'!'s'a that up hand, your so turn a of would it set needle record the spin quarters it the play chalk we'ld with record the and the Bijon’, drop and incredible. that's on, record, groove that was zig a Ecut Lathes: lathe fthe type 1§ of cutting was determined by HOWARD SMITH #1 EReMNciult N n N @piiialilcuip s records were cut had have pickups to laterally, Rl To the air. HiS's Tetplaytentthe air. Tl What on play year would and that head itself. that could made track Most it so you either one, cuts. lateral or vertieal piiclkup KSL have gotten their first magnetic recorder? HS: dates--=72 asking istiartl tiel s alotiinigl violuiinie DicHNPSEE A [laugh] AL Well, HS: Qe in mean I ihiat, netsEneort the '50s, walsh abeut. the brought show was with him around brush the we with back mid-April. He it was So NAB show and him. The NAB our first do tne delays. back brought probably magnetiec got I because "U7 the to went 'as 46, of part of part. machines. sthiat Aprilssagif S 9Us 'latter machines brush always the Ewvans Rieckard €. '40s? filr st e ciMBSSProbabillvachne remember late in tape machines. R And HS: O Tl What you then G5 was tne percentage of local Dol tyoll have EratkindecfNeing?8 words, FIiSE to continued en a We ldiicemetion typical Wzt 6100 day, al.m. 2 you'd ‘and idea? any come go network versus off on at at In and other 6:007? usually about SMITH #1 2R U a0 seal, blue seal records 1L Yeah. HIS? "Sympnony Night," say 80 about local shows, every day. NN diepending A but there then programs L Did St Oh News of came 7:00 at were 10:00. at in And nigkt. at 5000 lot Of then? watts was that there o n S ke Wa iir. s Ehl dWiisE Fantic WienMNEs a day. transmitter same The yes. oh yes, I'd teletyped. thousand fifty have KSL Probably, beginning news was news the all course, red did every abeut Mand the last. We news short some was network. not EelnesnEncEandEnecnl leng show. were big how would popular was they think I [laugh] very percent ‘on St i LS EiSt EeorWanethe st isix mentins, to going we're then get it S el il o fi R il issSiENEhelGeneral HiSk It's Tols tyeeek, WesternWEl S Western Electric plelfifevierasini 1986 coursel.But we;ve AT SN N En e msmENC e swyis tlem o lone? Electric. Western Do Electr ic 30 o remodeled B TR NtASI Al At s before was It it, was It exists. longer no i elent an I RE signal, of remodeling great, d oo Byl transmitter nediuliaciinigstiiie time, my major done I bought, which great was developed [\)] HOWARD by HOWARD SMITH #1 Western TL [laugh] HiSk But Electric. it's good. been We and RIS So HiSi Well, was we other We have one they tkhem it now. then the great converted occasionally CCA a transmitter. to stereo have twec the is a wanted old it as it's sounds on the transmitters. Western a much trouble the main transmitter. St and still air We have CCA gave Electric. backup. sSo HERAISEneEMen It the backup, four I but or five was el s nEbiuic the years out itU there sison that today Ehie aidrs it and quiite eficenitESEhilslERseoundisiicclods. TL: Wnat's HS: IES is though. 2NN the laughl building [laugh] under was STts 8800 built in West @mnd 1931. soil. It's been high and they water. We have a few hot days have last dry years for used that road The transmitter? Tmianishe salty now. now of The The years. water of lot for and ground that dried TIPT Wrat did? during nappened How Well, EM and right years thc North. wet is many HiSE: one 400 Sandy, It Tl address et about Tz the in did 1949 the we station got terms of what you develop? into clanmenontsiKSEwasioneof 14 in '50s the television, the first znd that before stations teo put HOWARD SMITH 1 Ao anEME was teansnittter i fput never successful. the Union on the the Eowersof KSL but Peak, as on, e until of few receivers Mo ciMcomes the there is pioneers out realized there and to producing 15 there ‘that signals of were egg. receivers the FM made problem the or So to. a had chicken listen was push we of transmitter Tre manufacture Nwen!l't honor in great A Eirst & the something in 1948. "We air . manufiaeituRiers e in recall, EMMontsthe toceb very I the originally was TV. to moved we changed of directly ‘almost It antenna FM the put one about cut They until name and of broadcast original Peak. top on south the and e heNSinventor” MeSSEarnSwer tnh went on the towers, towers station. that got we one there was It two the of antenna the radio be that Colen's floor And a AM But buying " Eransmiit ter s tihie air. up the Farnsworth on top mountain kilowatt the KSL tower north antenna. tre Coon ‘original’ S andi ot onstep under were the off feet eight to Those north. one Building. Building; Pacific rebuild seventh originsl used There tower. north on the on up the of one on put was it ended Pacific Union the of annex We it put and transmitter a purchased they that transmitter to ‘endeavoring tihlelytiyere’ sSlerviiey c the from baeck got I S ot tiliyiaifitier - tnt S onistiiei BN KSL was one on the air HOWARD SMITH to #1 get that process Evans, who to around go was the started. general to the the that high clubs was wood. to He a wanted fidelity, capability play he EM of a FM. and recording had of trese and TR Then and pick up And the of thing stereo and Sk e reach pieces of effect and and AM there are receivers. by very AM disturbances not on the whole now, they You almost few stereo AM the have and natural speakers every never v of with be of thie AM, figls goed The stereo. terms almost major receivers nature In the actually with 16 the have will available and" floor thing. isEnothiing S wrong, sound record. tre giiie=icalsiolnidRNihieic algood of connected the thiat would piece that behind S iniclenfierrencel freedom is show two-by-four. EMNISElericon s It s W just i SCHNENTIGie a play S iisn' € stereo. broadcast we speakers around services with being "st1ll Stereo two stereo receivers same he'd the to that sawing fandiinie Elen@hclidsyisenehinoWillilke sound?" during records we'd Wdirepl used interference-free radio when weeld time, demonstrations. air and the big Richard demonstrations somebody two receiver. YoultdiNhelain st e of C. that vovier " thie these one of give noise-free On remember manager Welldipitavalsiplelchitailiimuisiite period I AM station, out as the there. good as signal el ectrical but AM it's a stereo. problem we HOWARD SMITH #1 have, ean again, be 1s wused. There's Croir finding Single nothing We television. has been tran any That in more el On the CBS network? HiSe No. It was available Bl Okay, FiSe KSL on the from got They o we went picked We 1948 the were AM Dumont Also EiSt Yes, a HiSkE Yeeisa the in AM and Stereo. in a FM And ' now program, world 1949. staff at and were cameras. bt the I guess, broadcasting far There as quality were beginning ordered Dumont is tih a6 fime alch television Dumont by six of in '48. a part Swenie i tiile cameras and longer tihiey manufacturers KSL-TV. NAB no of men HUISSH hkad station transmitter, But both in T AM Choir Tabernacle network. Dumont L in always. television? cameras receiviersiEtntine THCr that that quad-recording. air oadiciais it g biggest on had the in stereo problems experiments program concerned. in stereo-wide unidiso rieat is in good Tabernaecle wused other a produce RS ESe music programming like program. SiEe e quality you e its when Dumont carried the own we went cameras CBS network. on and the became air Dumont with film a full Dumont chains. network? admbiolt RSt hieMNEBISifne two'rk {17 We 'and the Dumont HOWARD SMITH {1 nieiEivo RN EERia S s Eransmittitienstwiith NBE. summer I of eireuit) 1948, 'the tabernacle Dumont as the monitors and assembly hall. air We -Qctober to tier with got recall, General cameras we produced Conference hall receivers scattered experimental our and assembly television on the the (closed from cable. were around in the Twelve modified for floor the main of 194872 Tl In HS: L B RIS 0 Youtwerlenoneroff HSk: Nofm Wl Les Price, Who just Program chief recently director, and-- L [laugh] Eins manisbEtEe was radio the video took was I asisal the in next man. And engineer. shifts to filims I then the as was the transmitter a was projjiectionist. television 18 get go have John the was Price Les operator. Clawson. Scott right, director? program as retired OpPEraror M bpacisifiouria guess. of Clawson- Scott manager. the was Powell Jorn video «June " of alildsix name Yean T If them. o Murdock trem--Lennox in air ‘Ehem? "eone waisiinot thet men-- six trese But 1949, conference, October ron St hielai sRiewent WEMWEReNon April in thing same next the by then And Ehe Didd Uctobiers conference. HiSE e audio I picture, the John man seventh Powell of projectionist KSL and HOWARD SMITH audio was INIES #1 men. And long did you the time in late '49 that I television. to transferred Now, about still go back and forth? WalSEEsiERsINIEE saldiife =i tietlfe viiisti oint or I diid mean, yoeou there just do full-time to television? HS's Ne, at that time I to trhat EEENWaS IRENgI50 tiaat Avenue. Up television. Up until it elquiSpmic wais transmitter on The salesmen b e it over dRNKESIERSIEhditol D and move to able were Social studio equipment over there, (cable) between Social Hall the Pacific Union building on tre 19 From 1952 time we put and we the coaxial floor seventh in We upstairs ran we then tre later there We office. Then an Lennox showroom. car the and not was equipment and a mixture. Avenue-~they empty Building. mountain. a of operation. sales a and inlg:; was studio twor s studios,, s one hads the "ALL 10F 8 S viouiilkenie wis S iyie Motor our of 2all large Build fiel There radio then Hall our studie’, kind NG5 BN forth. Soeial the both. and used and was Hall--an downstairs, one to had floor with e TV Sllinblont "Placid B was what on back t tell eviisieon sold of kind been we operation the el s R eIBN STl to changed time seventhr the I'd meved s iini s pihies interfered terribly found we that And below. transferred time, = aidiiiciaisilonir Sicludifomiini floor was of started started up& HOWARD SMITH in '49 #1 we T Bor S Yes. Tl To HSEh elSTaNTlel were thetliand give was Valley. was e HS: What The a in RNt the tram? It some air if of the start in were The first but -~ in. the We knew going I Unien with, Provo. Peak. cablé 1t materizl andEND U= car to spent Pacific that we Lake had out, deoewn to so first fell was Salt get my tower was up. How many years 51 2 Ok, trhat was we summer and that ol Eor people. EiISis It was and personnel ; but had two cars e s n d Sp Ut "a passenger we were that used? up about a public employment where as the public 20 on year about on We it. two years used it Take one maitie rivalisiont car until not tre operation. licensed equipment started there? fine a pUt up until We used was went finisked ez and Gc: that that G ia B not to we wasn't and i area. G irianismii's siton was Well, take was location. ekperience. the building. mountain-top "top thing it. an about takeNuitNe Son Farnsworth quite a coverage olcialliN building later, a fine There developed there quite e anismitetler SIEIEscicHISu R up for Ssiite? you Building get looking on to off S iR e v it. 1975. conveyance, can you it. We but take stopped for your using HOWARD SMITH #1 it wnen to license safety the state it as features, because the When you side or but that you notices was was to drive just too with almost much. to required us, the impossible By so all us that we'd time fly some from this one down drive. would up which conveyance available some drive do public were and in people us a expense helicopters HHLS sent that, from do the you drive other side? TRilsSsiilden Rl fisetiheplscuthlbuti ilivienot bieen up to tie KSL tower. been never T've but it, ©f ftveseenSllotofitipictures Four, Channel the to up been I've side. This there. FM stations tellevisieon’ buEtECERfor watt AM supported now tower have a system cable a signal we used out was tower. antenna by there. are that The of 2 a standby tower towers. two so antenna the we 50,000 antenna AM between transmitting tower original original The stretched as besides original the Ealk net should 1 government, them of some [laugh] about, wiiich thierie’ blininielssupt gEielaiSficW there But some., nhill the down and there of out moved they've course Of on. went originally Thirty, Channel stations, television Our alone. stations FM nine are there new, right thkere WUp il atien,. amiliar slelsinisival sl this and was We two with HOWARD SMITH some #1 modification our freeing tower could for TV. SIDE QGNE OF EiSt are We tock Fifty one feet into a of to the single tower. the towers bottom pivot So it the mountain was three one support TAPE] down of tower to towers. AM the abcut talking We altered tower FENDQF TR be and it and and another brought then nundred added it back a guide sixty-five feet it and became nign. Y And on HSE OGS Eh eNmeuntiatn took wind The AN bleautid ful tower. It didn't weather? the What, tephy long. very last top. it winds. high Very down. HellisSnie sty okay. Oh; Tl I HiS Hel Tt eSS HSke AsEEN need to ask Ncorrect il Tieehie you about nim (Vince all the was well of higrh wind going over thne wind over coming 300 up bui le Swash Eower top the mph. 22 of the west it They velocity. mountain side and =2 withstand te but wind, three-nhundred-mile-an-rour vortex about. MwAlleT e cleraN RN e because talk T that ieviervichings Clayton). went down figured the along with over the top HOWARD SMITH #1 e Really. FiSs VeryNoRtenmnientSthe pretty good-size very careful tied down or Everything EiSEe Oh yes. Tl So you In television you rocks about inecluding made the as it started it. 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Then You you "eackh or anything, would had load one So the other HOWARD SMITH job #1 and front that of was the making proper sure port that on the the camera proper was in projector. [laughl] one. right Tl The HS" Being the three, other youllid you one g0 could to baclk Eolilersiiaicid the and he it HSi: Ands that went did HSk Eac= NI aRRIS 0P L You were actually to projectionist so before was the tihiepie there from network late. Five a out days middle the or three, while, you'd Croubilie " Welt 11 fadie Yo from it and projector the move [laugh] intended. you and Hall Social to over us Sthenel ome whiclreltaround elaralsyBUSIIEEES you until there Hall? Social to iSio L € htem: over just moved yioul movied to firom what? I video used until of later was 24 the films, somewhere around get was evierything York New '54, to came about as control. master would You tape. it end audio to moved asENPleciailil. s But: everything the multiplexer. r . 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That first video 26 tape editor we had was a HOWARD SMITH i1 you would tape. spread, It you would cut the was oh, in a a little liquid, develop the PouldidmiteFansa HiS® On the bias recorded Seit hiais or wouldn't on Vo spliiice. was work two-inch Seu was through moved tapes. you from the liquid, and and try to straighkt all because sixteen lines at it T perfiect iwasiva tape would tape a cut! was time. firom werticial editor, However, and they were worked with time', the '50s worked with and a you then video-tape did things other the ditageonal [laughter] long” acress? you move a great machine, into? Wrat do? the video then until e Helical EIiSHs Got two Tlis You made went tape through revolution now. scan. of engineer ol @ You what then Well, on tape, an-electronic ---?--- So did the it tape, had Sfoirt zand HS: we sueeesis full video on at N tionitte Whien trat we iron evaporating signal oneiraneMtomancthicrti L powdered tape. 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HS: Some, but not P What I'd like camera and shoot HS': a go copies Well, the some great deal. to able be to of whomever them for station material to has the aaEshelvisle inlgi Yen' newspapers and some DN TN GaNSCT to they to are some material. Historical the tnrat, TRSIN inc copy in an frour We've D & some hiaie ol my Society ‘old and take and collection. 'nlowin ol oS is our Utah of do loaned that RG old nas Depot, pictures. iR N micist N e T b At - [laugh] Tz What HS's NaEre about through gire Some s SEapESEskin cRl where the the b nitill S news years? had aees 2 gircein cleeikbs e s vic i oiolE Bl nito i miiinbiialunie N elamic als cameras, dezal there's not a great OSSR Tls What about around or HiSt: Noe, the I was i IOl EiSi That's scme Do too torch around. aviester about personal mountains something. welding few just you have busy. to igdivie it. I think things ia cal1l Don isn't think s Scott Sit People built like pictures. There I you [laughter] take Yeah, pexesNthati when things? the Too most mountain that? busy [laugh] nras as on standing with There of the are a those. much as--oh, €Clawson has. there's Scotf is HOWARD SMITH quite i1 a memorabilias man kept and EraeclasoPEN A lIoiCRN o S GufRT L Helsianseny maybe take st a to look at interview. 16, El@s o A0 Urel this, concludes our That faritedayv. [END OF TAPE 38 ONE] LS Laels s session