Zane A. Doyle, Salt Lake City: an interview by Greg Thompson and Joseph Arave

Transcript (92 pages) of interviews by Greg Thompson and Joseph Arave with Zane A. Doyle, on July 11, July 27, and August 7, 1989

Doyle (b. 1916) talked about his 45 years of owning, operating, and developing the Brighton Ski Area, a family business focusing initially on beginner and local skiers. He described working with the Forest Service to improve trails, his relationship with Kay Smith and others involved with skiing at Brighton, his association with the Riblet Company, and the evolution of ski lift technology and installation from the 1940s. Interviewers: Joe Arave, Gregory C. Thompson

Interview ZANE A. DOYLE UNIVERSITY UN'\/E‘ RS, ] Y ' = LIBRARIES T LBRARY MAGRIO SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH 84112 5 OF UTAH EVERETT L. COOLEY ORAL HISTORY COLLECTION 7 ____ . Open Usable and usable with the after my review. following restrictions: Interviewee = /// — e e = o o 32 A7 Interviewer = ~r -~ 2 - - . ZANE Salt Lake An Greg Everett A. #1, TapeRt2P Tape and Cooley Tape City, Utah Interview Thompson "Li. DOYLE #3, Oral By Joseph History July 11, 1989 Ul a2, 9189 August Marriott Arave 7, 1989 Library University of Utah Salt Lake City, Utah Proeject ZANE A. DOYLE Table PNl S TP ] Ay 5l EarilySinterest Brighton Increase in in O R1G = Purchase in 1947 1955 Chair and Business PermitWEor"Majestie Millicent Ski 1943-1944 After 1950 Chair: School Lift Maintenance since Summertime Maintenance of Buses New and Insurance Mo 2, Trails 14 1970 17 1955 18 Slopes 28 Forrest Service Supervision Claims 32 2177, and Patrol Al c Building of and Lodges Ski Chair and Lifts: Other School 1943, 1947, 1955 Structures Instructors #3, Races: 7 August Promotional and Majestic Outstanding 7, Cup, 73 Brighton Ski Cup 75 Skiers Involvement Timber Clearance With 1989: Advertising Family Dealing 57 61 Incorporation Tape 27 2! Construction Ski in 1955 Environmentalists ool Designing with 12 in Purchase Lift Mapping Contents dntSkiing Permit Improvements of 76 & for Log Cabins Trails Governmental and at Brighton Runs Agencies 79 80 and Politicians 85 1989. JULY 11, OF THE EVERETT SIDE ONE WITH ZANE A. DOYLE, THIS IS TAPE ONE, [THIS IS PART JOSEPH ARAVE IS THE INTERVIEWER. COOLEY ORAL HISTORY PROJECT.] Mr ZD B elorilaEal S I9aeyaE JA: In ZD: Just JA: What ZD: My They Smith. JA: Where ZD: I Michael Doyle, were married in JA: So on school Ogden, mother was and they lived there married. first were they and and Lake I was in wound up in when around traveled East 5th Salt to moved they Zepher my and I finally 26th South, grade. first and kindergarten Columbus we school--, to went there. school? to go you did when young, were they when was name dad’s around names? parents you were somewhere generally It’s Street. 35th was which Boulevard, Washington of lived? family your where east blocks couple a N Ogden': n remember you Do Ogden. born? you were when Doyle, JA: in Where ---?---. Lake. Salt did go you tolhighiischeol. 7ZD: I JA: Is that East? ZD: No that was JA: When did Jr. in year one just went Irving to went in School high school. Sugarhouse, I and Granite. hear first you in High of and skiing in interested get e ZD: My had wife us talked pair of a into skis and friend, going and and hike tried up skied they them Lambs a out. Canyon. little We would That bit and take was a the ZANE A. DOYLE #1 extent of in same the during bit our skiing. tracks my would that the--about with We we 1939, friends. went I We turn up in. I went guess, went to around and come back (laughter) skiing Brighton and a Then little just liked a4ER JA: What ZD: L9317 JA: What ZD: I year did type of was a packing Where ZD: I work did you cutter, in the the business. Jensen packing butcher, meat and business. company, Safeway, Skaggs, OP married actually were in house a I did work? stores, you all meat the in do. slaughter salesman, you worked So married? house did chain JA: get meat everything JA: you when in you name you got all of the it. interested in skiing. ZD: got I and wife my Yeah, in involved it a little bit that you together. JA: Do you ZD: at Not any names of when you first started with skied that go skiing then JA: Was Ray he just five Watrous with the Forest out? with friends, they Sunday or something. We times was people just was just were They skiers. it time, the of any remember one a year. I went Service? But after skiing weren’t wouldn’t I started with. why ZANE A. ZD: DOYLE #1 No, Ray and sold 17th started and JA: ZAD)E East. in he sporting A long Brighton, ran it for long you--about what is when you started go going would skiing never etherlauysEaiEtwoulid JA: So ZiD: Uh-huh. JA: When you first tow. Was it over by Yeah, it was one the operated it. He went knew him through help and he did. So was a little more. but I was never ifor tunt I had store they had say, and about 1939 a skier. all of these then. there just the one cable Majestic, and Kay Smith Majestic? east side of other channels meet Kay in come much I his helpers think about then, He don’t know with Kay I came in I hired he what contact that but had then. before doing--working, didn’t was It skiing. South Brighton you Kay, didn’t really I 17th after the like had--I busy was more, s ER skil up on did skiing ski Brighton to went you to bought time a little learn store time. did to a afterwards, Ray when Just had time why a and So I ZD: goods when I contact with. JA: ZDi: first When did you that you might Well, I never went into Air Force the like ever to dreamed Mountain first get and into of Troops. then or come the up the idea business? it. During the Of course he the with Mountain war, went why Kay into the Troops, and ZANE A. DOYLE #1 Brighton was thought, "Damn, a Dick fellow Tracy sure a Kay to of of way, ever about it. Dick Powers calls that ski it sure I Kay Bank. never them. I back with a thousand and we she did says, and I guess foresee? Just saved "If a you then you Probably in having fun with and to it. A and and fifty little bit and go right thought that I the heck way thought any had much lost of why this still want can afford to find Continental didn’t So deal he "They money was no Powers. a it wildest I dollars of was I and it wanted There come says, want get if would into he you from all really your do know "I later Anyway, he have him, I never Dick you There Cosgriff, at for wanted. "Yeah, it." salesman Well, year I was checked "Zane through didn’t he and There lot, told he and at a money. say closed 4-F. sell. on Kay me down up I Walter for I So says, and dealt everybody back he a crack deal deal dollars had and hot--to only town any went was estate what forgot there?" did I was real was have just me a want That That take in with Thelma up would was I I and 1lift." didn’t it. it around ski it. and everything. I didn’t more out ZD: for cut tow and he was out that course up shame," he was buy because I could JA: He money went a Powers, Commerce like lot no of I that’s Collins. Chamber and closed. came want month," I and asked ahead." my a her So marbles. a--what did you dreams-out of the meat busi- ZANE A. DOYLE #1 ness. JA: I I was hated just probably it. (laughter) going to couldn’t say, imagine erESanyMeENEhatNsorENe ZD: That’s and was it came it on Saturday’s 4-F--I1 to departments in the Hill I think Field. JA: So Cosgriff ZD: Walter was was the wildest becoming--the about. went your dreams type of you industry BRENHnGg: how run in I would and Hill Field, one one. He Kay was work ran all 10,000 owed Kay’s it when the I meat up there meals a day. he’s the deal for money friend, on Then everything about that and only. I and served the up Sunday’s cafeterias we go in to. but one. JA: This ZD: He Dick Powers was real you remember was estate actually salesman, the he one-- just worked the me. JA: Do that anything sthe P Eransferring (farlag ast was there if to had be FEorest thel permit s from done Service? ZD: NemnailEe s JA: you When looked a D bought like? it, What do sort me cost things for year a the what recall you of $25 were up a permit. physical there? area Was there Rose Lodge hotel? There of It permit. the bought SEseSu St o N alliliNof S that toclkicare Co sonitEE was course. Louner’s During Lodge, the which war he was the closed Alpine up, so there was ZANE A. DOYLE #1 nothing had up a there. 1little underneath. they went for During ZD: The JA: Which ZD: 1943-1944.- JA: That the and first You the if can’t on things pole the in up friend basement the to was of hers they of it down cockeyed have just and to start thing$Se coffee a you operating you just and stuff handful. in your wildest three it that was they to the bolts freeze it and and Everything fall over. fell imagine (laugher) people do now. take that was tighten We weekends today--well, don’t of on imagination comical, a mound rigid. then? apart. towers stump know. operated even have make good, fall it and up didn’t days strap it a it and then bands around you slow. those steel it which quite Well and and tunnel there it poll to opened did turning did in came, lucky, in bar season were I was wife opened weren’t season apart. had my war-- roads things If You skiers JA: ZD: snack up what So ice would it I broken up and around run would all off pour the with water bottom winter a on of it. (laughter) JA: That was the ZD: That was a JA: You ZD: Yeah, had we overhead overhead kind used of to a T-bar. cable. T-bar call affair. it the nutcracker because you had ZANE A. DOYLE a #1 thing legs. hanging Then too deep. was too JA: Do ZD: OhpiiEhe if it you remember start couple of how there. from the Brighton loop and Kearns he was G.I.s. have Five Was ZD: Well no, not army skis, tow--no JA: That ZD: And was anybody. They first Store the Special didn’t you he all army black. suits or have I had and on to the friend out a post out bring (laughter) They skies walk plough would white first lodges was, Services, that to have it big tried of didn’t a year? handful they had snow a would They got the I But just snow first guess and I guess Army. that through. year Inn I have the your and there up 500 would all the guys. the first they grab down was they winter? 1944-1945. were problem just coming season it between because longer. would white that would your up any we hundred, these colored JA: in run it generally close fought 1944, with put Tareallyiden’t.. The in high--why long why hardly would would and years then you couldn’t anything and you November skiers, in too gEirsteyear in and was Actually deep you down at opened all--just was comical, I the had athletes. a hold that They of it another these They slick and slide big could as a up long ride white up whistle. to the top. the They But story. imagine. road for me into the ski 1lift. They ZANE A. DOYLE #1 had a v-plow on their army truck and they would wade EilghEsthsough®iE . JA: They would remember come what up you and plow on to people charged there way that up. were Do you riding the ISasEtEe ZD: TSEhinlkcFat®firsthd e JA: Did you ZD: No, I JA: Did you ZD: I worked odd made any money. I ever made any money. JA: So didn’t the They go, make just come JA: So ZiD)I: Uh-huh. JA: That you that make any money. your fifty day think me I were or was 1947, it as told was high 'a dollar: season? for was more first night this it for dollars? and at hell rides money time look 10" any jobs whole people ZD): make wash just a 3 years before probably, more or I ever before less--did we other hobby. nuts, and water, and I I was going to make a did. determined? probably made you more determined that people told you-me it wouldn’t ZD: Told JA: I 2D flodytheybutilituME not bet out and feet. too many rebuilt a work, are they laughing laughed that me. know. SEMiilSbicent i Sof T-bar at went Tiitoret up alllfsthel another T-barx thousand ZANE A. DOYLE #1 JA: The ZD: It JA: B00NEeetEFthatdstaight" 4Dk Then original was 1300 I went up JA: Do ZD: I JA: He ZD: Nej,& about 900 feet? top A of fellow Company and this knoll with the other one, by the name of Peterson worked he was half-way engineer and he up-- you remember sure his first name? in the hell should. helped you draw up nojsfor: Kay, and a bunch So ZD: Uh-hum. JA: JiisiENencMmerel Kay years was did that That’s what and work. JA: Just for ZD: I worked I would at go have kept yThey:ibuilt in the any Millicent; Dr:: to of going a of Millicent? at Some times that helped Scoupilic you Mot out or key was half friends. a dozen I would go up friends go up and it? Field work White, you? have heck Hill for and I would three weulldMgeENeoEENaENli0Neor Brighton. Millicent? construction friends me would the for businessmen. worked I plans questilonihere M forNtheMEinst you just of involved people there the itheT-bar i JA: ZD: on it. Gallager drew was feet. redesigned for T-bar a i1 get O’clock 0/ clock couple of off in the and guys at Hill Field. morning head from right Hill and I for Field ZANE A. DOYLE #1 would of JA: go along there any beginning key that ride people became ZD: No. JA: Just and help ZD: MesSEhat JA: Now, the ZD: That wasn’t JA: Was ZD That was Brighton That was Kay that were involved me. Oh, involved with I had lots in the very Brighton later on? you. help and up go would that buddies all. /s to decision the of and Millicent-- build Brighton Recreation Recreation? built that That bunch. that lift. Millicent the was that mine, part that the then. friends Were for do to nothing had 1lift. Millicent with me. JA: SORINEOUS= ZD: I had JA: Right, ent to you permit the own the than ZD: Yes, entirely. JA: ATl be ZD: But the that on tow side tow. Millicent and they Were was operating on this on side. differ- a Service? Forest (darned'. tow I built that held 750 people an Believe hour. thatlorEinots pretty JA: That’s ZD: When Mountain they could 400 people good. Millicent never an operate hour. The was at, old 10 hauling I think Collins at top I was Lift speed, which hauling about in Alta was ZANE A. DOYLE #1 hauling 250 people JA: So ZD: 750 JA: I'll an your tow be that 30 feet. JA: 30 feet. ZiDF: You it track for had a I would JA: Justrhold ZD: I When worked, and he stayed buy in, hold he with and that could me then my then broke I for he on and legs and it scrape it? my see hip. the a while decided 14t to wanted you of part shovel (laughter) hands. that scoop A years. for poles ski in had up I days. those go my maintain could in all up. way with between shovel scoop one track that that would I and shovel scoop and Patrol. Ski soul maintain strong the they? tickets, the anybody and helping? people I was cable were punching pretty was I make and more hour? overhead to hire never decide 1945, in had ever Millicent Well you engand¥just you did that the all I all was I hauled combined. spaced one then the skied never an two or one And me. stick track 1948, Alta the far office. big great and had loading, could the after people How have like I the down. one had time. 750 How--they Did you the So Millicent haul came tow hour. hour. an ticket a With ZD: would always the per than darned. ZD: JA: hour ‘pecple bar in people acquire the up and Brighton? My possibilities and there he decided was came dad wife’s not in it. he So then wanted to in it enough ZANE A. DOYLE #1 for both of things 1953 I money. working good. I then started for Then in have father-in-law, were we at Alta, impressed. He wanted anyway. over We a In looking settled big What ZD: A Riblit, time was on erector JA: to at type Mt. was had the Company, and seen that an eskimo got pretty and wasn’t chair Williard, him what he a my they was quite little later and we which one to it me lift, a single and was a lot there with lift, because went we all wanted. looked like all a bit Washington. over. of stock Dr. in We White went by up that Millicent, he owner. was Brighton ZD: Cozy was the--Cozy they were Recreation. over biggest from Spokane them quite principal O0.K. see showed see and it? That an to know, set. JA: get lift had Magestic, lifts, a Riblit acquired the I when making a price. Germania built chair Tramway Hood money Then Germania could and you things built back--well, we I when such over, with 1955 any again. started 1950 I charge went doing on 1lift. to I to Alta of making out better busy. That’s Millicent would him and 1949 decided--then like you getting 1949. possibilities 1lift, better 1950, me we I bought getting About didn’t any So started about of us. them the Forest operator for me Lz Ranger in Brighton, to be able to and being why build we that had a to chair ZANE A. DOYLE #1 lift in him competition. go, years and let anyway." (Laughter) So So Dr. him build But it that’s White, it, I’11 didn’t how we got it in 19552 So ZD TNRIOE5) ST bUEERIENT ‘mean I hired an electrician, and that and I was JA: And you ZD: Then JA: About what time ZD: About 1944. Oh, actually I a quit, income. JA: What time ZD: Every day. JA: Every day ZD: About 1948. JA: And it ZD: No, no, when I built On Majestic? ZD): On Majestic, JA: That’s ZD: Every JA: Do no then the I was did I running? couple out a that to do of way . that. CONEractom I I did everything, engineer. did you- - business. in the summer to supple- winter? that minute, new a let working-- start the the stop it. ski worked you a you in have "Well, in permit time always around wait I'm what during was the cutter, the was it work didn’t still---about did JA: you meat were ment built says, own quite JA: you he time it 1949 was to before 1950-then. It was 1947 T-bar. yeah. year you started what crowds running every day then? day. remember 13 were like that year? Did you ZANE A. DOYLE #1 get ZD: I quite would would have About a Oh I a chair smart. with lines. a dollar and time you of no, people about that instead 2D few have Charged JA: a the 1ift, But had we making 30-minute wait a a half a hundred to day started at get to hour. on I the tow. per day rate after we that going an time. a ticket. a punch had liked ticket. punch it, Even tickets. and We it was kind name? You say built weren’t of fun, very along living. JA: So, Dr. White--was ZD): Dr. Guy White; JA: He had ZD: He accumulated--when the seven still people there? Hauling punch always up that he most was the a he was-- dentist. interest in the people ---?2--- wanted out, he would buy them QU JA: I believe ZD: Kay Kay had a little-- in for a long stayed long as they you then JA: So ZD: NeBbusiliER JA: You had got the I think Kay stayed in as it. the Ehefchaswet built time. chair, in permit 19552 ENSni1 9551 1S was and it operating in that first IOE5MEeRII9S NS eason? the first ZiDl: In JA: How much out the of longer I December, was it after Millicent? 14 guess. that, you actually bought ZANE A. ZD!: DOYLE #1 It was that quite stuff a few than years. I would. My I son can’t would know remember. more Maybe about 1964 or EOl6I5M JA: So ZD: Guy all that White made and all So operated of people ZD: When JA: When ZD: Yeah, old Majestic you it as Brighton a--the and a ZD: Well, it they have big with Recreation? principal everything, of he it. hired He help snow one to at the time, pack tow. we wiped slopes. 1ift? to pack at the the Put slopes. Logan wooden I bought University slats on it an from and make drags like with two- mountain. the packed them out and down operating the ski then he got deal. Even they then 'side." Kay iLs) to He had ---?-- the about-- school when permit the though could and roller big great tow of instead only cat, 'the®Millicent everything ski winter a the had Millicent the built had started 1947--I competitive and rolled and Kay one would cat? I now. the Logan. big a in master in some first built first snow Servicertion took the was roller was by-four’s in I track big and started Company Like guess there lift the Thiokol JA: Kay was decisions actually great ZD: the up out. I was Thiokol I the came everybody JA: Millicent everything. JA: a time he involved got the from wasn’t--It the Millicent. Forest ‘was' a permit, they was just It ZANE A. DOYLE #1 competition constantly. but--so we at time, that Kay’s bought I demise, I got Millicent don’t along lift. think. that’s good kind I of We Kay didn’t don’t a with want personal though buy to Kay talk out about situation with him. JA: But ZD: Well, he was operating on his Millicent ski and school on Majestic, he Millicent. had the Brighton permit. JA: So ZD: For JA: So he he was he had Oh had So work you just over that he built out ZD: a of that. quarters on you bought it? to As buy that him the of school. relationship school him? him. rate school. you hill. work when How did bring the 0.K.? I do? got with your that could they normal on Did What why his little operated had with there, time--what He We ski facility sleeping JA: the charged operated run sort charged just At to some there we physical ZD: have operating yeah, permit-- yeah, to students JA: separate Brighton, things ZD: a They charged. for Did the he ski have students. any He kind of there? the devil A-Frame time for he Ticket went him. same out did permit he it the eventually. 16 Right office, on But do. and after he enlarged was just whole a time, that operated it for a framework. even once ZANE A. DOYLE JA: And ZD: JA: #1 once you bought He still had the He still had out Millicent-- permit. the permit, and he was operating the ski and you school. ZD: A JA: So separate all permit those didn’t years actually ZD: Eventually. JA: When was from he buy that, the do ski just the ran ski you 1lift. a ski school school, from remember. Was him? it the 1960’s or LE) 7042 ZD: Yeah, it was in the middle 1970’s sometime. I don’t remember. JA: ZD: Seems to me as I recall the mid 1970’s. But Kay was the ski instructors, states, it a would JA: Really. ZD: Became ski JA: That’s really all the ice rink. ZD: Yeah. JA: I ZD: Yeah, guess great school was back that was not amaze only you was here, the before Kay al7/ in 1970’s, fact this many I had told a us if Kay early or look at you state, but other started. and managers, other the early in how directors, on the instructor, interesting. way that it question that he everything. just to go operated an side. war, and they had an ice ZANE A. DOYLE #1 skating don’t rink know just a he ran Do ZD: Nobody JA: That was it? ZD: That was in JA: Oh, ZD: Yeah, you if I I flooded it, damned it he ever or Lodge. if up it and I was made money. So When you bought tried to operate it? That was recall of mouth the on of mouth the [END were operating thought. there any Big Cottonwood was a big camp there, canyon. the SIDE OF had They canyon. the in was camp CC The any. hard area? the in there camps a were, tow the or there it give even didn’t I it. with mess to 1lift the CC of I don’t lift the ONE] were there, you always the operator? came brother-in-law ZD: In 1955, my JA: And his name? 2D Dean Jensen. JA: Dean Jensen. ZD: Then it JA: So the a again. it at want no sole know didn’t and you he Louner’s permit. my work As lodge, it? remnants JA: old but anybody looked even but right the it, pond. recall was at of pond. JA: ZD: back natural retaining JA: in was Deans three of dad, you Dean, were 18 and in to the business. myself. involved, and that was 1955. ZANE A. DOYLE #1 That was when you built the chair. Was that a double Issufto ZD): A double single chair jack, we 1lift. All didn’t have those holes any money were to dug buy with a compressors anything. or AR Samnmgiliel ZD: I had and one I fellow, think He was ZD: He was the it. working for We ZD: Yeah, I was lucky. to Like sit a on. template that machinery all tolerance to go doing. I framed got So for worked contractors here. Then So we comes he me. came poured the I was a--stayed said I with didn’t me know with bolts has to up they the and for got a I had a these 19 of the and and there know power the that’s this with what no I was everything big around plants we that the for templates all and kids of couple of all because bolt and a mass machinery millwright all out was the didn’t head made out concrete exact, was concrete the building I kid terminal be hole. Then built young out. all lower that dad a the all There that was together it on over done. that all He Yeah And who us--like me. measured I ---2--- steel. of everything the set To Barber, you? for put everything. JA: two working army. Gene about anything JA: 0. K: Siack, for had to me. do ZANE A. DOYLE #1 with that. JA: You ZD: Spencer, Tom biathlon teams JA: And was ZD: He don’t that was him I’11l ZD: No, JA: Bill up be the No, I ZD: It Now me of for the United the States. when an racers he hour was a kid, early. as far as that was Tom? that That was five was he his ---?--- it. It and Then I would I would could run brother. concrete hole about feet with had it an meet before I was feet out of So you had to bases? thing 30 deep, that electricity--you open gear (laughter) all everything. union head Spencer. O0.K. fired unpacked the the just long and concrete one big about and 18 steel. powered? set. knew now him. Bill and erector I is biathlon a half pored it ery--you for go boat. was top concrete just you? United canyon was wide the the with big was and for darned. concrete How Spencer Spencer, lay JA: Bill the that feet Spencer. him down JA: do worked let caught name of He always his ---?2--- one States. ZD): recall and When picked I had and it I the wasn’t smart and wanted a first got cosmolen all enough millright 20 all this everything. laying I put This the off to do come is an machinery all stretched to machin- it. up the out So and I I gears there. called put it ZANE A. DOYLE #1 together for weighed 300 around room "Well, four men can get for Don how hiking came and see if shirts and there." only it the started, JA: Reaillliys ZD: That’s fit." off and got the plans way to look and we got a the Just looked at it. He three or for about "Well, it, day from and all and whole ldayy he looked "Lets out that’s thing guy onWit took said, done their we got "There’s start." in and kneowswhat what to up around see and left were tovwork this I i’ 11 had Kennecott iiml didn’t and you because after wailllSstart: Don if two So we days. Sthatiéshalilsraghts the way in all friends--I mepthatihitdsitlamazing. JA: same have walked |(laughten)iThati said, job must he move door So he and better WiNque ssiii would job I tolld S him,; coats They one ot and machinist in door said, that another and I wour"l saildmstihatideolyeulgetiiy IswasHgeingatord it, a you I was, and at the weeks." door, to there, in like three lucky up came looked tallk and came looks that Tonalson there He about out you guy and this deniciwantittor show Some pounds. the says, me. probably a lot of had so many can’tibelieve I them would like friends help ‘IE. to see you make geRCERIER ZD: Ready -a JA: Was mix regular it a concrete trucks truck couldn’t dirt road or at that climb gravel 21 time were a mountain road? at up that time- there. a ZANE A. ZD: DOYLE It #1 was but just they Ready mountain didn’t we were he says, al harvester, needs for it have Mix--one when didn’t take drive, and the I went down corn a two and a half bucks make for the and it binder, worked it for hardly anything to a powerful thing. I build front end loader their cement dumped it JA: A ZD: Two and JA: You do ZD) s We couple say is there itself, that cement at a yards know our that Majestic true the JA: Was ZD: Same tires, the capacity the on mixer from I fix mixer could out it. a of that have and bit. It wheel and creek drove it took Four bin the and and internation- a little had a and mix up and it guess. there was lift and the ski lifts since inspectors. Today I 1lift aligned best country. cockeyed mean the cable shifts. one they 900 (laughter) company’s up people the only time. different hole same a another or way three in out him see time? at or You water to me holes. yards one pump the the half two then. they a it had in in of and to from I went much, got street "You over canyon, Southeast cement run." So the all. old yard year." in at across old to up know, an work Brighton roads you lived up, I got little to them and Paved trucks growing a hundred up of "Zane a roads. that added an you tires hour 22 built to to about in it. 1955? They 1200 an increased hour. ZANE A. DOYLE #1 JA: But the ZD: Still towers in the concrete, a half I so yards wasn’t How ZD: One, JA: There ZD: No, JA: Oh two, are OhWyeah, i Ht: JA: How long another Well, Was ZD: It yards, So for a know I to in? put make much in about seven darn and sure hole nine feet you sold out? that deep, now? five. any When--I put in a since two imagine things million right were doing did you dollar 1955 pretty 1lift after well you now. built then. EocktofE: that year start then years. course we the But I two months after JA: You didn’t actually ADl: I JA: Dol we it making plans sHditswassin bought It was was--put it. it until the 23 19607s? move, Millicent it. remember. youlEhinlk next bought down. cable bought buy you when tore our built. was when chair single and of chair single a a was Majestic after that don’t still didn’t I wanted planning Millicent two it five are for 1ift? was one I Brighton four, after Millicent JA: in been that ZD: said hole. are are they? 1955 ten. three, they in a mistake. it haven’t but it the lifts Majestic, ZD: in up concrete. when make many put same making I would JA: you when? a to was buy junk. it? We only a--maybe new cable ran we on it ran aifs ZANE A. ZD: DOYLE #1 It was in Perri 1960’s worked good. He and the for kept was let it. work Dr. Then let we JA: So was ZD: A ski the day done it Barrett promised him way. But anyway, Jim to--It he maintained worn on be the he went criminal. it Ardo things was done Then Dr. started, moon, ran out. done. Solitude White, was was should when and down the it that didn’t there, thing, Everything and and fell he apart it. it’s has it’s as It maintenance Solitude bought on and to go lift White, brother, it after it go that White’s just was Ardo out Dr. 1960’s. everything--the everything White early way out when you bought it. be good any day of year to inspected. No messing the around, as you it can’t is take chances. JA: Through that ZD: was Well, the the as in did you charge of the as was long I maintenance JA: Dean? ZD: Dean Jensen. maintenance. he JA: What’s ZD: Vieahy I and ran have went the Then working Dean the into other EhatdsiiZanet my the someone maintenance was the end book son’s Randy son of name? =—-2 24 I == work the was for you 1lifts? in charge of bookkeeper. and then Wover;Miand younger to of there, machinery sentMiichacliitook OEEIAR and years Randy it when I backed Wheiidids allis the came into it, he more. ZANE A. DOYLE #1 JA: QIS KA ZD: He’s the now. Mike 1lift crews, JA: How Zane) R one that takes much takes care and of putting the of the there the almost all running time--were through over all machinery the business and the 1lift, operation. certain place of to procedures bed at the you end went of the season? ZD: When you take a closed month up, you just off and then is gone and turn start the key getting off and then ready for next winter. JA: Once the snow everything you get back in to dLER ZD: Well, know they so much easier. a jeep, you procedure couple Where on the the day are they can It makes go. involved the summertime? was there had vegetation. wild been There flowers, sheeped in off, hardly those 25 till closes a When drive Today their you the know much there for up the there? there, growth, wasn’t go easier. up growing. the and running got the next cat went first anything days up, were you It’s I could snow so it you I that. maintenance take when always--when was it starting because than mountain. that was in quicker I waited actually Brighton about days get to much want maintenance ZD: those they winter it they anywhere What that days following JA: In doing know is of are You the talk anything. ZANE A. DOYLE It #1 was the washes oS SE SN cussed surface cut water JA: inch of mistakes, damn good done When and things say in water the I the a lot with because But I we of wasn’t done, this day it cut because and those hundreds of the and I a cat was smoothed years were bars hauled vdirt way, ground. Over today you of the bars. made it gullies. dirtigandomoved every the of all of off could and trees. mistakes. you got disrupting it lot tons A We lot never of get age. were--you were cutting just A ZD: When you thing, dig well up that’s a cloudburst JA: or the mountain. the mountain When you the dirt fine and in f£ill the something a ravine summertime, why it’s to cut going So you have just to catch the you were being cussed, erosion over say in the but to if go water or some- you right bars get down across water. was that by the sheep people? ZD: just No, right were that course, that JA: was when Brighton in down the Forest permits to of part and miners years, the first I Service Sheep sheep. started. Of helped that St Yeah, those people had and lots up graze in there the summer. ZD: We cut lots supervision to do it. We of were 26 trees. always We had under pretty Forest good Service ZANE A. DOYLE #1 guidance. the The district Supervisor trees, the JA: Walk trails and are and you would decision; you ble, it’s a Too many one a whole Forest Prime interest first safety. a They JA: So ZD: And push and do it. to Wasatch go go, would over where mark the They would make would make the today. It’s impossi- world. can kind They rangers do interest did of things. they so Forest in--did imagine they had a certain run were The have interest--I permit things in Service a they it was certain way, run me when do were Promoting all of involved ski they and this for would skiing. 27 every You had but year, \would they the shoot public mountains. you. especially business. mainly. Then. thatutimes. ‘it ¢ at rangers, you inspect to with concerned were avalanches canyon Engineer started: snow they that was seems it Service, Forest the involved That would they of What started justr provide then-- maintained. Forest theyr difference where it. decision of--you Service or a different seeing in improve ahead get kind well, I the decide district levels interest then, and to go can’t you? out how The Service--what ZD: them decision. encourage Service ranger could come up with you, and § Koo | Cozzio would come up, and they would everything. the Forest on Cozziol the was avalanches. a great one to ZANE A. DOYLE #1 JA: He ZD: Cozzie must there lot have been was--he until of ready to He the sheep herder, and grown up, he that change the with /4ID)S When you with anything I JA: was a Not after -I had no heck a while life days of the a off lot though, pretty he New you’re not Never time during you to of he like "I st lived a had me." started says, in to don’t T llknow so long wife the has put to holidays, Christmas, a vacation spend up home, you lived, that’s all. off in the summer because the the 28 or done? why way easy. I had him Forest, with: toilive get to after met had true. gone. in He a We I know going was about it. bureaucracy because was the was reminds a decision. it," I you Mexico. He rangers, Wasatch business--your the all take to had You there ZD: your that’s guess whether guy, everything, and Thanksgiving never. It ski a start run Shavel harder lot a were kids from like to good the nice T of wrong. time of make sifwhat lot be the started--the could could a know "Zane years. About let a I had came guys. other Things and it Nt JA: of said going not We don’t he nobody IcembieNbut you’re Heck time so I of but supervisor Forest. but lot 1939, and John, was a Rangers. off Cache At in Forest St. there retired. back Chandler not. came he good up season. summertime. 1970’s why It got I didn’t better have- ZANE A. JA: DOYLE #1 Things map ZD: really got new trails. out Well, you trail. couldn’t they There skied Trail through the the off trees Majestic would go trail through way a gorgeous not too and a in shallow a while you’d have of says, Cozziol to they cut were says, want a you are ski area going to work was and steep. of trail, you do charge would I you the #these make want a for up go down just slope, Cozziol was every to as to your He a permit, as and mind, do says, you get pretty, straight Etrees," and Lowell trying two a once town And were you narrow there come forest?" would a and there been just Mary right there. trees to someone 29 up had "Whook'fat the up the there, Thomas come timber, got at you a hill was in if you down rangers, them but west, that Lowell to it would way Just Thomas party the and forest used you To know call beautiful too other I don’t would west through. says, or would going ski building "Well, you there, the it Lowell this and of "Cozziol"--and SEEingMCezzilell Thomas But the whole you beginners. them--I when Thomas gee, or of a to with Majestic, to a ski worked of over make they They instead help but help up and would them, not. and Service willy-nilly or there. place bunch and for back couple whole top Forest there a trail Brighton from the through go was So up was would together. get go Everything you, ever going. a old you "If better ZANE A. DOYLE #1 let them I had JA: ZD: develop a permit They came made you What kind lots of up it." that and do it of (laughter) summer marked you perception with that may stand skiing since the time all the time maintained it, and I'm that the one Regardless kids it of built held what it inevitable that have people seven every but week unless all a winter there They out. that were changed changes in involved. them were ski what down for Salt have to say. the like family ski Lots millionaires they to they of As But Lake I watch and are. I kids. Salt I and families they want. see Saturday and Lake customers. sad, are business, say of long. trail. there biggest the kind week good. sure have the that stumps I’m you next was the have? all of prices in blast prices they the it in can any me and were the makes tree, as was they clear that you the and you out I Brighton, today did golly up know, things things Well, go every right, ideas to By it’s used to Sunday, like that, can’t do that sad about it any more. A ZD: That’s see other stay could the the thing of makes But then the business. start out any me more kind turn picture, They today. that do that prices. side in can’t family normal JA: got like 30 of around it’s to I and amazing be did. look that well-healed, is to at the they can nobody ZANE A. DOYLE JA: Oh, ZD: It #1 yeah. was getting couplieNof JA: ZD: You may so, years), be liability Well, that’s they their and money going to run Brighton, buy the te cians cockeyed to pick make all up the to doesn’t it exact carry it thing they killed will, too, Everybody's ZD: When sudden you he government so with money. the I and any far the 1last the the and board, they tramway and get board, they were they want to Snowbird. They want them them pick to up don’t pay the know what some the kids. of it it unions you you everybody. did. The so want got fine, automobile to a place It’s is, is nick Politi- anything cripples in for ---?---. And and it unions as now difference that such tramway around, want to The pay turn colleges, the to (laughter) themselves, in JA: points make environmentalists, services, and They comical. the run. bus they Alta, to guy. Brighton buses. it’s they to in things fall already But busses out the insurance have taxes sold about the to UTA. lopsided do, your Solitude, park part that’s from we ridieculeus. in going tramway when got and one, are the Vit referring legal and that but Same industry ecologists end. a-- get somebody is only an that expert. need goes The one voice, 3 hiking Forest one and Service complaint. all of and He’s a the a ZANE A. DOYLE #1 college educated front of is more no of true JA: I gets of crap, the man the moon. on has everybody in that to millions from O.K. Health the Service, Forest the up listen an without move, can’t They company this costing it’s just will they days, these of one guess he it to 0.K. get to the be in the move. can you talk, a bunch department, water Department, to out county, The how spiels they because agency. before than knows and meantime the dollars every he politicians In him. guy, point-ZD: JA: Conglomerates. ZD): That’s is JA: ZD: you lot or did No, I think, But the you a for happened. wouldn’t a see why insurers ZD: They insured, what I did you go to they they under that see ten we the change a change? their instance, claims public the mentioning was that’s for paid they and be, perception somebody, it was Because Your it, business, instance, JA: nose. public blame insurance even the liability, the and insurance going in years few last Your to it’s through pay to going what that’s it, corporations. multi-huge to going are business, to going are that companies these Well, to give even know dollars, they and they just didn’t thousand business. court. just-- would 32 call up the office ZANE A. DOYLE #1 would say they do who would that just with insurance, ZD: you if sprains their you you ever they have to It would shock would run into. Then tells me worse. is people control, going. You do anything to JA: Got ZD: Well, two have just million million see it it in after we sold doesn’t reviews and imagine, if dollar dollar Randy would is on the them in have a the Did time? we sold little more you ski Randy what controls, The industry is wants to anybody difference and hill days? and out, time I expenses big the claim. you. of a even where any of before know make I early the you. any number do But sue scare paper the stops would what it is. reviews. you hold for project project. self- to and of the were years, of some I don’t so they period in worse, it carry or any you happening don’t and going couple little a be they legitimate 1lift the thing of last the they claims. over any kind Now, That real they’re and change that a on falls ankle company. here say." legitimate with them office complaint unless get got it out a tell outfit, the they started Things up what that see Did big you insurance, call somebody quarrel a no got If insurance see quarrel no have JA: tracks It’s would if insurance. your have attorneys, their your to Boyne. They "Well, our go they insured. say, carries back 33 or a year (laughter) construction I two don’t it’s know, on a a three but I ZANE A. DOYLE #1 think in we the lived ski in the business, best but of I times. don’t I know think if we had that’s fun true today. JA: Like you remember tell me stages, say my the at it’s dad, when stories the going I to was about be a little having, time-[END OF SIDE 34 big TWO] you corporations. kid my know dad use would barrel I THE FOLLOWING IS AN INTERVIEW WITH [1989] . THE INTERVIEWERS ARE JOE [THIS IS FOR THE EVERETT L. COOLEY MR. ZANE DOYLE ON JULY 27, ARAVE AND GREG THOMPSON. ORAL HISTORY PROJECT. TAPE #2.] GT: Mr. Doyle, days it your up. ZDENTha GT: of time we purchased you directly. ZD: No, it GT: And Mr. ZD: ST GT: And never It was was through first done the was few Saturdays and Sundays. GT: Saturdays and Sundays. operating it call was long. GT: Okay, and ZD: Well, they east it ZD: So GT: That’s the of see. that was At of Hill. on it early starting It was where Launer’s. Launer’s. came Smith, with. the did time. it part-time, could. you Majestic lift. It were is was original mostly you now. what T-bar they used was 1300 Launer’s? Lodge. it at time the Kay bank. dealt of you where Okay. was Kay that Majestic I kind whenever with the that you T-bar called Launer’s I the Launer’s feet GT: kind dealt through bank years ZD: was and about 1943. financing operation, to in actually all Cosgriff the Well, talked in Brighton it bootstrap ZD: we ght said were talked, involvement You @S You last from. 35 The old Alpine Rose Lodge ZANE A. ZD: Then Kay Smith that was what I And you ran that for S thiat S untiil = 1947 = GT: DOYLE #2 had the T-bar purchased in how about 1300 foot T-bar you installed and 1943. long until another-ZD: WelSISweNSEan Millicent about half another about G So was way 150 up why feet we enlarged year the Majestic--little vertical 2200 you built, the rise and I think T-bar over at that and half that Mount ran it way, at it was time long. extended the T-bar and you built Millicent which was-7D No, Brighton GT: Oh, okay, VADIE TheySbuaiiE GT: Okay, /AD)S That and and was Recreation they it built Millicent. that in what? ainNai94 78 that a built was single just a chair at single that chair. time. American Majestic 1ift? Wire. GT: Okay. ZD: 1155 GT: 1955. ZD: That JA: Was ZD: It GT: Was ZD: Uh When did you put That was the first was it was a the the double double chair. Riblet in chair? Riblet? Riblet that first up the 1lift. first huh. 36 this whole area? Steel and ZANE A. DOYLE #2 GT: Who’d ZD: Tony Sauter. GT: What kind you did you ZD: No, we-- GT: How did VAID)S We work of I a you went go to California, was and about build to lift. we didn’t at the Rainier? ZD: No, GT: Hood? ZD: Rt JA: East? ZD: Hood JA: Ves ZD: This JA: I no. making was over have and We Thelma’s went an down American Germania lift us Mount Hood. They had a with wooden see, but Anyway, the east it towers 1lift one of has Well, that father to Big tramway at got the them? that--? Sauder Actually with the--? Tony mountain GT: you buy country. lift. constructed basic did to there looked ---?-- go Riblet? a chair-1ift the and We a contract around there. with arrangements sign decided with, Alta. to get I on Riblet at that that we we were were Bear, company think the there with interested interested in Seattle. a tremendous amount of snow. Hoed? the is where one is east know my don’t big of lodge is and south of Portland. Seattle. well geography 37 enough up there. it plane 1lift time and the in was ZANE A. DOYLE ZD: It has they #2 a thirty-foot built worked. they an And towers. have so There to the us. G- We It Who engineered a big length, iz the to oheneL slope why and they transit them, signed showing hill shape, the thirty den/Erdo and and do the took the worked my in the was ordered the machinery. Who’d you particular work with the is what machinery and the first of July. It and towers and Ehatl. Wou to the the "This contour to. is and the we’re ‘contour measured they But could at that whenever the the amounted them, the slope Tramway. by it cetera? takel Why up what et and thing. 38 grips and about angle, project? trusses of said in didn’t first who approved it the you the elevations and them, steel been measure profile had, have or Riblet they it to about way to for is whole and structural from set instruments. time, snow, that old contract that the chair-hanger up have At towers the supposed erector split away a a tape and than their was to type snow and anyway. maintenance with information GT: the the need vieou bottom any started just going wasn’t date was pylon better just depth tower much That delivery June. the shovel everything. sold egg-shaped with looked snow They forest Forest it of " the off. Today, stand at time I the run a I could get and sent the sent back service Service on a and that I ZANE A. DOYLE ZD: Hellysethexcilecealilyiiwasn’t Forest #2 Service. You Wasatch director service engineer, say GT: To ZD: Yes. about the it. And and had a of permit, working F.C. with the was the Koziol Vern he didn’t have maybe that furnish them snow depths a permit to to Despain was their forest much to and-- Service? that was about ARt eitEsimeSIRE White’s permission it. Ehe niSS TR because goMahe adiandgbuitlidi ahead and build It it, a got he had s B he’d worked We Folld My oupsswes usEtoN anyway. lot then but We Forest got a the hads tolge chair-1ift. Telld ¥ ko zilel owned it little in bit build two MEel or it Dok He told lleE uskge three years from that. opposite [laughter] Gl I can tell you enjoyed that success and it the country--bar a good deal. [laugh- ter] ZD: It was an ideal intermediate GT: What ZD: Well, makes slopes it it’s skill. (T Then your on the Mary down in so just serves actually bottom is When depth right of the best none. to enough for one you and top, feeds Trail the the Jjust there’s why still mind? enough interested back Who, in Jjust comes it in that got intermediate shoulder, slope say keep the coming for off that--? upper around little a of practically the top the less and beginners, everybody. helped you install 319 that? Who installed it? ZANE A. DOYLE You ZD)= #2 and somebody I installed him at Brighton. Yeah. ZD: And I some Bill but when truss because build the if I got to there that, lost on is he up, Bill, Gene tower. Once What Lot (ofy machinery did you erect to hill Had a friend two on a what it was. the truck 6 Cat that and Lift would I had the a and head roustabouts of Biatholon. he didn’t over me to break had on top. bolts Bill’s help You and dad so had a to everything was the the I electric mill- top built bolts plants millwright. forms are for in, this break- just of lot a had [t there up get to have actually came everything I so And and He luckiandSthatéstwhatrdad on towers? half the been of the-- their had [chuckle] that boom with clockwork. bandea the the anchor so anchor like together had a picture it? was the is technical--I the company Well, he, was break was everything. frilends, a and big that wasn’t foundations that went who the was for--Bechtold over guys brother--well, wright and the that I Yeah, Barber--there Spencer exact. ZD: Gene of Spencer’s much, Yeah. D) I had wondered Tom JA: GT: it. there--and JA: else? ton tower come up, and hold so the 40 an truck. up I’d stationary old It front and why the have to take front end of gym a was logging pole is end of a little the truck TDdown ZANE A. DOYLE so I #2 could pick What ZD: The were twenty-four different than they went time we they would as to that, the base as you have ZD: Some holes would them would take Did booms, no and feet deep, and rock. of Some concrete. of getting trouble that concrete. of yards yards seven at it? in four gage tube, that in a wide inch nine hole the is building But done. to which are such have seven cement them twenty-four a make take much have you No tubes, have they from of to have with pour to Did Some which could you small diameter now. oh, average, inch they do GT: GT: make but inch, top the on [laughter] tubes? tubes twenty-four up. base for run you did tower no-- Cats, [chuckle] G- the to up concrete your the holes? ZD: I went bigger trucks binder over it. half two was It a and fixed International mixer yard the hundred dollars working on the Maybe it. on anyway, but half, motor you’ll if that there an mountain, the on on for the top of the but I got an old corn fix it up, you can take with a it was it had summer. went little a a up. small I took more a than We mixer. When gas a and two charged He [laughter] mountain, 41 these can’t Harvester and it up take I so company, "I said, He him. to talked and down Mix Ready a had that friend another had we me a were genera- ZANE A. DOYLE tor to top and #2 run pump concrete GT: You a pump. We water out that way. probably would of take a sump the dry that I mix up made, to and the poured [laugh] poured the cheapest concrete around for base towers. ZD: Good JA: Did they? ZD: Went in and JA: That can be ZD: Oh, concrete, you roads seeded any JA: Did a thing had booms, you then towers. But and planted them. today. l1lift in in go construction would never there’s more ever there and there was flowers wild on started. we that shape, good pretty know when was many up all them covered I if mean that put never people. I now. way that could You Fact, than today mountain basic lift a into the for build there pour. yeah. it, tough every couldn’t roads that tested tested you if even they particular TasEiER ZD: That the that it than most that tion for JA: Really? GT: Obviously you got a year is the was said was has he with a inspecting Tony about there articles on alignment seen ever all fairly your that that 42 had 1lift, the 1lift one of he was better in opera- been adjustments. maintenance it. But shape. in perfect in went lift particular free lift then, if ZANE A. DOYLE ZD: Yeah. #2 Oh, you a few little power train have gimmicks I would and that happened was on Oh ZD: Fourteen kids, below and start They the was it, you high-speed trouble knock know. They had and the couplings with, and you’d out. The first you birthday, in them cats snow I They today. JA: Probably GT: How ZD: 900. G- 900 JA: That’s ZD: Yeah, many why not had lose time a it think. with people ski a an the go that ears with coupling off, route. I time that at but method, But go. while. a about all off send days, and top them down, know, you the ones but we that didn’t they like and lift the of top forty to thirty-five the the at shack those to and for we’d to high-speed there up them in the to there wood loaded quicker a sitting bad, too take motor, hauled the 1lifts route sitting So, the to only kids were have had developed weren’t an you I minutes. put had zero, gasoline those D the Washington’s the finally Had a with [laughter] boy! JA: JA: in that coupling that problems have down. lot hour of would the [laughl] either. enthusiasm 1lift handle? hour. an probably it was at for standard that time; hour. 43 450 Riblet, wasn’t feet a minute, it? 900 people ZANE A. GT: What ZD: DOYLE #2 happened to really boosted It phenomenal. was and our Those were the ZiD)ss No, think it I an article Ten ride Punch Oh, (G- I It was more was two there at first VearE2e i and that and the then we ever hoped for, ridiculous. dollar-fifty tickets that years? a half. listed all the that ten ride. there is I don’t know. prices. It There’s was crazy. stuff. That’s changed a bit too, itt? I don’t don’t think know some ten then they of any. passers. Yeah. G Really. Was ZD: All business Used our When any I They’d more. first use came them a to Utah, couple of Alta had years, and disappeared. ZD: very business, huh? were in pass halsn’t ZD: it, prices GT: GT: your to run that a fifty ride considered was a weekend ticket on Millicent. weekend or a business. Our week? weekdays were poor. GT: How VABIE That GT': Oh. JA: That GT: That’s did you wasn’t was the see ours. old right. fifty That was ride Ride ticket? and How did you--? Recreation. Millicent. When Eratsicapaciicy trail that--a you designed tolii £t that capacity;, capacity? 44 1ift, or did 1liftl you design capacity to ZANE A. ZD: Do DOYLE #2 you want thought. good skied that GT: know [laughter] pretty We to and it it’s since convinced the truth? There’s a got 1943, the a good Forest be, and we’d build Did turn out that you never mountain slope, everyday, should it We and the had and and up that’s it Sl we hiked Service gave a o olks skied it. there, and the way it lifts. a pPreEEyRgoodl ratho MEor kIt EOMEBak 182 ZD: On Majestic, wasn’t short 1lifts it was only fifty vertical and the down Yeah, ZD: I GT: Did at were think you those No, ever guess ask The about see there’s two The I’'m it your ski for two lift may economic You to as to to lines not year and go as I 45 or six all hundred be It and standing in area lines 1lift and and ride it. the year recall minutes. you was any of longer? all you of run this it and [laughter] question when thought your in to got into a at five according lift hand minutes? about probably quite four would was look what a bit. bottom--like long, weren’t come quite quick. the build ways curious of We the five right, any out skiers pretty time. business. to feet chair if that got better the people it. best on spread 3700 bottom had toughest year. to at you they breakdown views hoped I the that’s not Once they scientific ZD: could bad. GT: GT: you too line ZD: yeah, best was we the economic hand. about--and we had ZANE A. DOYLE #2 Millicent at the one was. It was the real worst JA: O NO T 8E. ZD: 1977-1978 had a we year, the drought build, we another A ZiD: Well, GT: Did ZD: We dead was year, sure 1976 had we think when right It too of there. 1976 that people, stymied; going drought-- in was many were the along season. we and wasn’t took us really? had bought ahead but we then we couldn’t and building it? three built Now, the new Millicent, that you put that ZDj: CosShiSENconat=- JA: Yeah, GT: How ZD: Oh GT: Pretty Dk The JA: Yeah, and ZD: Right underneath was wasn’t I yet. for paid think I Was 1969. that here right? says It newspaper. this on in article an saw I the think as Evergreen that. before lift Evergreen? to close same it date built already We I and Millicent." ZDY: gee, recoup. about up the is Mount long to Evergreen. had 1969 years Millicent we had not bad and couldn’t it "New I'm 1lift. it think JA: time. bonanza had GT: that the about 3800 or 3900 feet. Majestic. went the a but Majestic, that was dam up little bit more vertical. near-- Twin Lakes 46 Dam, up on the Millicent ZANE A. DOYLE side, #2 yeah. GT: WasSHEENdatREiciER ZD: That’s a N EE " Eoput! rocky helicopters mountain or in? there, anything, so and we we had didn’t use to cut roads Did you have any out of reck: GT: ZDk: What about lot of All the a That ZD: Yieakh' JA: You ZD: Well, and blasting out of get’s had to the first and I GT: Did you? ZD: ASh base and solid blast drilling, rock in always had to Majestic the hurry, the to do had Twin to blast Lakes doesn’t blast with teilkly We dam. it? I a vou to set didn’t the towers. have any Now money, single-jack. iy couldipickeupl a 150 [chuckle] JA: T211 bet GT: Especially youicould.: if you [laughter] used a pretty good sized single-jack. [laughter] JA: So Evergreen went three in two or you get those years before the new Millicent? ZD: Yeah. GT: What company did a out towers? 1lift, towers anisa=m) s LN pounds. a set those yeah. under to 1lift, drove towers? drilling? expensive you’ve adif your blasting road GT: with 47 two lifts from, Riblet? ZANE ZD: A. DOYLE #2 And was that No, the of backed able the same Millicent lift was a little bit. off about nances lifts. and with Yahn. GT: Where were they ZD: They GT: Was ZD: Very good ever had were it a in And where for me do, but That over a ZD: Yeah, uh huh. GT: Did ZiDi Most sent lift that time was pretty taken over business and I kind knowledgethe mainte- talked me then Nevada. that was Millicent look at didn’t the first and we was built it have was no an experience were a little over rocky impossible problem at we with of the was in a work crew the their to them done set anchor the bolts it ZD: No, well, he hired here in this a to by spooky cliffs, chore to help put Michael that and in? our crew. They sent the base sections. on was helicopter. in Well, the big boss to 48 bring to provided? The helicopter company valley? was They a man was-- ZD: try all. towers. that helicopter Was From had summer. GT: GT: into lift. centract supervise had helicopter, to GT: you But a he he Millicent? About Michael City, good lift. it. the New a Yahn. then Carson with the headquartered? pretty about to By studied going with it in from Arizona. ZANE A. DOYLE #2 GT: Oh really. ZAD)8 There JA: It wasn’t ZD: No, and JA: Oh, GT: I big anybody here. here. enough. big the copter they Arizona wasn’t any wasn’t anything a There use they today. somewhere. dragon brought It What fly. was do It’s in was a big they call far power line them? a huge thing. name the other bigger It than down looks in like a-- ditidst just heard that day, but I can’t remember. ZD: It JA: Yeah . ZD: But wasn’t a Huey. That’s anyway, the towers they could to see what up and cut and up went they it dismantled in that whole tower the in lot. It was it? shocked just We Millicent down it isn’t I was 1lift, of off parking the helicopter, a helicopter. with do picked laid and everything, army Millicent on bolts anchor the an went towers, and shivs and up, lot. parking We spectacu- quite R GiTe: A all ZD: of couple TN ChS towers How of towers pulling down and they had it down. Then mistaken. GT: days big E ey downiEiniatday, EookeiibiEl poured concrete the all and S5 took RemEnot all the up. a tub could they use 49 to haul cement? Can they do ZANE A. a DOYLE half #2 a yard? ZD: Two yards. GT: Two yards of ZiD)- Oh, they were Gilz- What did you ZD: Seld e Stol cement!? Boy, that’s a lot of weight. big. do with the old cable €okeville, i Wyeming. and towers It’s and still stuff? running up there. GT: Oh, really. ZD Bunch of They Where’s farmers weren’t Where is that? 4D It’s east of JA: Oh, ZD: Back in Mike every they got a Smith Fork River. Riblet You then, that Company. put had you? ZD: Oh, 1955. That GT: So, you’d had in was the a it up just anything. I believe. ski clubs running. They call help them when a rep. and a few years When did you for one was Riblet by when or property. it. it first the It’s go abeut EiEEllefbit think hadn’t with problem own Cokeville to awhile in once keep to guy one have their Service through the GT: Forest been for I with I’ve mentioened Hum, had far. had D) who Lake. You Teliltusia it Bear the They there. @fn's not up bought involved GT: it’s Cokeville? about you first yourself in went in. of your own 50 that? start 1957. Majestic experience were your area operation by and ZANE A. DOYLE people ZD: #2 at Riblet had Well, they built Mount Hood the Oh, ZD: That it a same experience sister 1ift of you to doing Mount that. Majestic in year. they. did GT: the 1lift cost them a eunESEMEEorENaRcll00 $145 thousand to put in. We put thousand!: ght? GT: HSEthakElE ZD: And that the contractor was G Makes a ZD: Well, it just lot labor. doing of That it and difference, doesn’t seem was the doing it doesn’t to make difference between yourself. it? any difference any more. [laughter] GT: What ZD: I did have the no What ZD: Well, I I was over you you it was. it I in? don’t sold? you Wisconsin, put up. it that 1lift was when what look could Riblet it cost remember I but thinking Nell lift can’t first the was Little but I guess it was Aspen. at it? GT: Was ZD': They out came all loading, know. Red that time. hour of Roland and I went they any room was the over were at the bow-wheel operation and the hauling St bow-wheel of year But, practically. now are them that concept new a with you give didn’t an idea, figures, remember (@r'g Evergreen left about manager was 350 load, to over designed kids they an there for hour you at 900 on ZANE A. DOYLE Little #2 Nell because 1lift the had a too because minute tower GT: I think ZD: It was went in was road and tried tion of it." So, one a little just hour. an 900 to the heck was hand side of Little there’s GT: Yeah, ZD: Copper GT: --Gulch ZD: Yeah, plant tube on You know Then it Was Nell. put made it good and over went they Oh, one. next and thing. cockeyed the on myself over notifica- install one Copper up the just level, it from jumped reputation to the in the at work the did sold--what I they Sauter Tony go we easy." ‘wasn’t I’ll and and and a a pretty I skiers down it. 1958. it, down a rise. got on surel S8 mistake about get They load me cable I to "Send the So had I called sliding of to decent a bit the (in) time up. Well, tower. up were was you 1lift tried said, one they where some because that through Aspen I a horrible tower that get I pulled I of capacity. no rigged and chair posisibilie St buth number Tony side, with 350 that having That on. to nuts!" "Oh, said, and it. front get s ElsE getting were They were that (ridden) to saildSUNeln hit of in bugger over They they front it I’ve a there. leftNo. Mountain? Copper-- Mountain? or then and him out was one of something. Copper I sold building horrendous Aspen such a big I 1lift. 52 Highlands. If lift. think it I you only to talk recall, that tried ran for one ZANE A. DOYLE year, #2 and we went over MadeMEwoRliattsiout ZD) Hesmadesewollifeshout to death GT: As ZD I GT: Yeah . ZD: It was the GT: It was pretty ZDk Uh huh. When I recall, think John He ZD: Yeah, G I it It ‘was half. just you ever got more than 7000 too to the Teong S Yeu4d EOPROENEIEN feet. long. chair-lift was the windy biggest in the world. the control 1lift in the on it was country bad. But he got and Erickson was his It through ZD: Oh boy, house that I thing JA: the did lift went recall. at laugh to it ever. then was That to demonstrations--1lifts give into was was That thing. cockeyed that the saw. ever people down school. ski used sure. for remember couldn’t [laughter] stuff. that stupidest He that. I but it, Texas. from money oil that Texas, from was all used he? was that remember and you in exposed. was he thought I it. feet longest Texan, wasn’t Stein ZD: was 8000 it [laughter] GT: I was wanted it. JA: it of before that cut it ©f" G- freeze and around let’s And the Spar next 53 see, one. Gulch it. it? didn’t up I There to the guess the was a Round- short roundhouse, one if ZANE A. DOYLE #2 GT - I ZD: Then they modified one. Then Vale don’t remember that ZD: --or they money, lift. One But he "I want sialidysRU called to of so he you to set el AT Tony said, "I'm pushed around is your all have JA: Was he ZD: So, he didn’t that Riblet and going too If go you down he up him a us more." He and design 1lift. I SUNIS oW go down 1lift." "I’'ve I said, a 1lift, it. says, here." that said, sell Riblet he better on new Riblet butiokay there." to a down "You’d bid want those. some "Hey," for a down got want said, I says, times that got wanted S EhatSmuchif any many just didn’t give I They money 1lift him, rebuilt Cypert. else. and notMdoiing business. do." me and TAPE] the there I told not made, to a Valley OF had called ams and Heavenly it’s down did, ONE that lift Pete something guy them and SIDE do the Roundhouse along OF would and the came [END one. He been "Well, the That’s deal all you [laughter] surprised? went want year on built and down We commission. any so Majestic, I 1lift the to had them. for have sent think he along great. a one I But new down cable free gratis. JA: Did he? GT: What ZD: I kind liked [chuckle] of person Tony, he and was I Tony? got 54 Now, Mike was ZANE A. DOYLE more #2 cri;ical up with he just of help after wasn’t there, if could GT: But course have and something, you I know kingi when of after I ‘the that, his help. Tony didn’t do got fault, built. boy, to The got to back around the hill. I out it struck that Company had a and I down man there think he But they had been You know, you sell 1965-1966, me estimation they in areund back if up. wasn’/t my biggest. it it didn’t Yahn they accommodating. he In that, be everybody been but was wrong, they was one was whipped aggressive had lift with anything Of Tony the there immediately. lost. Tony. Riblet the was the a lot industry they fell away pretty EaisiEr ZDi: Tony couldn’t Washington in break and Colorado. over here and sold So and TN ZD: The GT: I ZD: There in I them. Tony that went look kingpinsever GT: up in. there, what What lifts country, over at had was I his had up but he and I here, name? in Oregon couldn’t got and Red he Patkey? and break to come went back Was he the owned it, there? enitEE= guy didn’t was really. had, and know a But how in company bottling the from Chicago. that. lot I of sat simple big down it money guys around with them and was 55 for Red. that told The what them thing I think I ZANE A. DOYLE that #2 sold the 1ift it in to did was himself engineering they them with company it. that to Red our come Red could crew in and and supervised all go not ahead have do it. of their and to put hire That’s the 1lifts an way after EhaE GT: putting the Riblet, 6500 or ZD: of Well, an have The Forest GT: you Have your been a slightest over to has got any see to to have an engineer. an got You a had you unless anyway. got You to [chuckle] fool. a have years, anything know don’t or hill oversaw got has to got fifty for experience degree the have did the he that. do Service has board tramway you a was they way the have couldn’t engineer. why degree, lift in doing. were you The The and Vail, didn’t that involved brought they but was the That’s from supervisor today, had you Purgatory. course, engineer. If we what of idea at name, characters us of Durango, long. his I in feet 6600 lift-maintenance bunch 1lift first remember can’t I it. down was I when 1965 In these of IEES quad operate? ZD: No, take the GT: Uhshulh' ZD: --and That Brighton but Mary they’re walk-way lift--you going over to one know on where clear into the motel 56 the the will way. that They’re to is-- parking be going gone, with lot so it it. will ZANE A. DOYLE #2 go right through, mountain. SENWEES a You it go up will JuSE flseep)‘on' And ZD: TESwildl GT: SENEISINE ZiDk: And¥soMdisiParic G- INsnecpediareoundta ‘bela amazing ZD: Oh, it GT: That ZD: Horse GT: What ZD: does me the nature was built in is the to me like Before the ends, Sbut going to be one in; I gquess. the manor just ECity. Well isthese a anyway. today, do a lot. in? go and of the 1959 two. 1lift Mary I guess, huh. Uh year. the think I 1lift? your a feet. 2400 about first lodge? lodge. lodge. a place next it’s built ever built service Park game 1959--one Mary build you did never, logs, the long ZD: of [laughter] 1958, in or 1958 was it because vat over. 1lifts Mary built Never lift It’s ‘putting the of are days buggy and was JA: is they what amazes manor I up. top things. The ZD: the Mary rightion vikittlelibit the When the to iCity:. did JA: where Solituder year Seems clear quad. quadi. changes D go il N @il are How to going, a be will GT: JA: will area. beautiful that and was there, flat built, it but building 5 we was with were food going to build a to be built out going a deck and walkway of around ZANE A. DOYLE #2 the whole The roof thing would Howard, and us of out didn’t but we just they it like but didn’t work. sort of ings that were real a with was lot Any were back clear operate and it and sewage physical build- to at beginning, was a log why building stairways out This Mr. and carved it was beautiful. before Brighton? the room was that business know, there original, and you this Wasn’t didn’t problems built? you the built into they of owning mountains. were dining Now it. a out They got operation, the Lodge, and stupid, beautiful. They about while polished owned Launer in going rustic and logs of was we were neck time, talked tickled, We a about. had facilities Rose Alpine the stick two. Phil Glazer were business. deck Howard, Harold we it be Dr. anything absentee built and beautiful. do originally Well, the They you What to anything was like want would too. course, food was know deck the know at it a--it problems ZD: and didn’t just JA: didn’t a Of in didn’t manor, functional get upstairs Gertrude, permit. to we the been wife, the something then have his want fancy and that time when They closed it when I went up a girl friend of my operating. JA: Is that Dl Thattivas when there, the the 1930s? hupsuntidusjust war there started, was before war. 1940-1941. about nothing, the so my 58 wife And and ZANE A. DOYLE her’s and #2 got permission sandwiches. either, and bought the to Of went Alpine Rose Gl After the war? After ZD: After the war, uh I lot pictures of ture, don’t you He got and Lodge for have then from hot coffee any people Henry Florence Launer. started-- Then he whether it room didn’t along, huh. of little we you’d know know. a course that Lodge. use built you around, the the old recall and it lumber Alpine that. was a from the was just Rose There’s wood old a struc- Brighton Hotel. GT: Oh, ZD: Uh GT: HamEneotesurest ZD: And did he. huh. there built it bottom was aware of a guy, you know, himself. floor, way down. old building, that was Of thing GT: Was ZD: Along GT: That’s ZD: And then nt. After the Alpine that in There and then course and did was burn that a big upstairs they it that. had ran the handy restaurant where fancy for--gosh, the I room rooms dining and on the all the room don’t he know in the when down. 1965--19667 there recollection my he sold that, went Yeah. somewhere. out it. of to Doctor built Gertrude downhill. 519 They White that the lodge sold it owned in to Millice- 1958. Utah Then Recre- ZANE A. DOYLE ations of #2 or what guys went the downtown downhill people. It went some on the-- was all on that the S Eanthait D) --and GT: You ZD)s Yeah, my it sat know. we had. owned Millicent. that Then they wanted to went through a lot money. When out of money, so YVieah, the to set ===?---, John deal buy money was we some had. My Arizona think his and I can’t say it was period little It I think a it. then it the a bunch bought to and and has torched of motel time over with there restaurant over son-in-law-- got and Alpine planning, we bought Forman Rose decided Lodge, they come up, building so up they with run they and a [chuckle] sat. it when Clark and the put that years? bought he gone up. or through there. And it. mnow, not, They’re They’re 60 going I don‘’t going to to tear spend a lot then whether know Kerschner but and guess, I years,; Ehreel about Sfeor it of the they everything fixing We Holmquist there Ehree fer et it a long too. rebuild of ZD: and of I Anyway, that. one Lorin lot ‘sat hold manor that ran more for There side sold but the it? that. we [t a there So daughter owned got [laughter] Millicent GT: GT: he call corporation downhill that you a they Milliron, nothing, formed they and was Then did again name myself. heck is a of going lot of things ZANE A. DOYLE down. They’re building there. They’ve will day, make 1ift got small operator. And don’t you kind Well, they what it of the are to you the the other to name anymore in spend. the going exist ski terminal money I told operations the way kids we always do for of the being cards. providing felt. handle. But I long gone the service Snake Creek lift and that it, for prices in, went raise was thought been there in know, Salt for was price, the the held you bear, hadn’t it always really could think if ago, We we and it, built could Lake us. But only one but then dollars. ten only was lot in kids pay to way not the when then a and bus that’s thought have would a could just your put kids we what prices saw Lake Salt But anybody to like [chuckle] down skiers. that’s that but Lake That’s of and Salt think local the to plans what offices going wonderful, ticket. I take and big know game. to down it I don’t the ZD: going patrol It JA: #2 ef-i- JA: Hal£ ZD): In JA: Yeah, ZD: In JA: It’s gone work it have a it has gone up out a lot with volunteer [laughter] dollars. twenty up. years five another it’s now years two the the patrol it will last be couple patrol ski in 61 the thirty of in early dollars. years. your. days? How Did did you you ever a ZANE A. DOYLE ZD: In the I early had le] #2 a bunch and ZD: wanted and it would bring then we the guys got all involved run your I G What ZD: We were ship had all to more have back old of pushed me down. no problems. a then so couple of they’ve got ahead and told them go it. They did a pretty everybody and got more coverage were We and bigger ski on spearheaded it for patrol. the 62 did all now the original here. you we Great got Forest mountains. the with have friends. then The as County, of one was C-a-l-h-m-- ones. Lake Salt for articles the of buddies. it till slow alone, who Narcissium a relationship of kind working He’s one have I ones. just original the of one was Johnny assessor. an on know. I an name? any remember Calhm stop, officers volunteer, a as it you the and ran up old tests. the had I some on national the their elected I got [chuckle] patrol [chuck- rake anything they then and They too. don’t in to and I rigged loaded national. the with patrol Sam Well, off interested take Do thing a volunteer got But you? that spring [chuckle] bandages ridiculous. I down, patrol. [chuckle] if thing you women. pretty ski army so darn When are of and ww-plow the to supply the a a had was put with! job I and LEGY good why, cardboard that toboggan I could GT: of a whole 8mm movies army days, relationlifts. more Service Most patrol? of We insisted our ski ZANE A. DOYLE #2 patrolmen were bigger, we had head the ski patrol, it and this of unionize nepitooNlong They got You ZD: There did up there JA: had my to a decided the after other. patrol. There was It we families Bitch. it elected he him s == —2-- - Their ten got as the going to didn’t take expected it. skied on the pretty ski be there or When you had over, why he could see that it’s all paid there too. and their the they’re the paid taking national on no in patrol. run they’re absolutely ago, tough, paid much was years started their better Now, ski patrol own and roster not on to the be the 1970’s the Forest they’re there, on a they’d patrol. volunteer patrol, with national, a updated on who qualified patrolmen. When they them had got to involved get everything. insisted start, Just they he and getting have If that a son be They they Yeah. that about now. and JA: until roster the ZD: paid When But the-- started patrol. and quite for guys. patrolman ridiof was no sometime. But It was Service ski great compensated. have patrol a N Eofget mountains. JA: really they there you. their Gradually pass was Then test their no after the and they test. get took But over at the and couple of first-aid then original, they the test. that 63 the national took over, they ZANE ZD: A. DOYLE gave tests Then they and-- kind their own after that. Like I So, a Always, GT: What, many I long uh I They say in people did it Well, you Gl Yeah, in ZD: In the G No, I ZD: relationship that mean the the Let’s see, one, lifts it it e too. I--guess it [chuckle] instance, with worked, the you always they really and that time run had patrolman. boy, 1966 during ski mean with with then run the worked. period, how seven--with two help. employees? peak winter they bothered ball, one to never foul to-- take and real a from patrol I relationship huh. their did, a got than let’s ZD: had either other good over never until really ZD: took I always take pretty of tests. say, didn’t JA: #2 took wintertime? patrol? entire operation. two, three, about seven; five, six, with three 1lifts, probably Een. GT: Lift operators? ZD: Lift operations. GT: Ticket ZD: On GT: People ZD: Ne S punchers? weekends, that we’d do have the SSwathfiparcicing: to double parking letd it people. 64 lot got up and up on ticket that kind to be punchers. of iabout stuff. “forty ZANE A. DOYLE #2 GT: Is that ZD)z Uh huh. GT: Teopiday- ZD: Uh huh. Now, GT: Is that right? ZD: Including GT: That right? I the was to estimate All GT: Uh ZD: Oh, maybe GT: How many ZD)s Three. GT: Yeoumevour ZD: No, weekends? think ski be as ZD: On they got school and seasonal a 150 ski employees up there. patrol. employees. How many would you full-timers? year? huh. a They full-timers [laugh] the Me come did and from you two all over the world. have? more. [laugh] isen;mandiyous- =2 us of two practically Well, I. and Barber Gene Just dozen. most did of two, maintenance the really. work up there But ZD: Yeah. GT: Doing ZD: Six GT: When the ever all work you’d GT: summer. maintenance. days Kay a week. Smith 1960’s, I negotiate had guess from the permit mostly year to instructors. 65 the for 1950’s year on ski and lift school, during did you privileges for 1960’s, ZANE A. ZD: There to DOYLE #2 wasn’t be, and because any that you negotiating, was can it. lift. This GT: So he still a ZD: He was still permits. over us, we a So, the because there had went him of a where the going with stockholder of it 1lift, everything a was Kay in you my know. that. the over what friction part in in wasn’t him lot was stockholder it a early stockholder why of is told he consequently, there, kind had understand Millicent was We I and that there. But teaching hill hair was he he he had could had over short the push to have there. too. So [chuck- lel GT: Did ZD: Yeah, you grant How in operation areaV'Reputation;, Kay school. the other you GT: Sure. school? Did grew and a then lot a a make and along asset of it the they is friction little a as it you see the operation based most trained Kay to instructor. ski in up big a good think I them, started a was day, that people had instructors? you? for such was it ski the see you did Certainly, the' his get We it. of out to tried We for awhile. critical ZAD)G privileges huh. operation congenial GT: 1lift uh did, we once him industry ski went to Alta on your ski I told you Like of of the in qualified Utah. He or other areas, and yon, didn’t know. He had a lot of graduates 66 hither ZANE A. DOYLE #2 he? ZD: Lots of them. JA: Now, I believe his ZD: to the then we hired Yeah, Now, go through GT: them. you recall? You guys should really Anybody school, correctly: and directors, for Who Can he ski this then and you you that’s bought ran it. the way it’s today. remember ZD: recalling permit operated JA: I’'m the series replaced talk pretty that us to Mike. much sticks Kay? took out It of Who was directors was the about as you first one? time that it that that over. in your mind? Let’s put way. ZD: Well, G What ZD: You GT: Okay. ZD: Oh, Vigus. was had his to that’s took it Park City remember GT: That ZD: Yeah, first ask didn’t awful over it? last after him? came Is Mental name. after for their him. there. GT: [chuckle] worked directed John’s that you? isn’t Vigus and came name? he? 67 blocks. us, ski It’s He and I guess then school. a German is still he I when we went to can’t even name. with them up ZANE A. ZD: And GT: So ZD: Just two. GIl: Two. Three ZD: Three GT: That’s Z) Well, DOYLE Dieffendorf. there has really only counting Kay? counting Kay over was Kay at there trained Park they trained. He your fondest What’s go Brighton? or for three? and there’s a the good memory there he all your cherish the T-bar Phil Jones manager. of Of Oh, guys I that he made them work. years with the skiing that you years. trained kinds teacher, of and general something that years Anderson, is was something and who back Is years Woody City, know, mind perhaps Kay. don’t at been amazing. course, JA: #2 sticks out out of in that your experi- eneer? ZD: Well, I near was had your pieces alone, one It in you know. didn’t make Friday That any afternoon, broke help. I don’t think there whole bunch I up a tower, together there. rebuilt again. By the 4:00 68 We PA went when a some were I was crossarms, o’clock I tower system and was a cut and that had all a put a to told them guy left twenty betcha, and pretty everybody difference. got guys, the was I The on when T-bar. lot. rebuilt days the parking thirty back it friend. on needed the fun running breakdown I more or tree down, the thing afternoon we ZANE A. DOYLE were JA: #2 operating you worked with. I'm afraid today drive on ZD: Cuss you GT: So, it’s down G sense of things my wife, when cars that and really Really! I’'m that, I why got, the mean it. I kidding, not gone, of kind was things the up Then yeah. I enjoyed a challenge. tougher come she’d remember, I what that’s kind and challenge type work that why done, it be to had that something if you don’t get have two sons that were involved? and Mike, Zane is broke their that [chuckle] the real a had you When in people of lost not the that-- challenges ZD: them. was it When of it. in interest get there. rather was challenge the When just Then me, fact, like I better kind mind? with In the [chuckle] down remember. I year. that way Majestic building would friendship skiing go was mountain. invyeur what That’s and the the That people the all stilcks®out D again. you’d done, kind was of go fun Eoldoel GT: You ZD: Uh meets him now Mike. Mike runs runs GT: Randy huh. So the they that the business stayed on is in the machinery and when the the 69 name. If business, it his and books the and purchase anybody mountain, the came. Zane is and payroll. that and Randy ZANE A. DOYLE ZAD)g Yeah, #2 they Kerschners wanted ten-year contract gave them G- Have Kerschners ZD: Very good. they’ve they come in has he to they contact the Of works pretty Sky, trade they want Tell the I us how don’t G- I'm ZD: I the even sure it don’'t ZD: No. G- HeERuskeusngthasRo ZD: Turn G How that did you of my off with bother them. The all Mike is like of the wants new help only time right now; restaurants new machinery, machinery. in Randy, Michigan. John’s with the son up equipment. Mike in They Big seem Sky. came about. to about They been scouting you? it because at the time it. my RN and develop conversation on a tape recorder in-laws. ready quite You for? work they hard. any JA: to with come talk sell about weren’t then to was want somewhere and to Big purchase want 1like at them. it for forth for operate office much so death when main and to buying them and help landscape didn’t back Mike’s of with generally stay, Kerschner course, their good to tickled with with to never process negotiate works to ZD: in pretty they’re because everything. he G- been I guess got they’re and a them to get forssjustia I’1ll the tell out it. second. you. partnership 70 of [tape with stopped] Jensens over the I ZANE A. DOYLE chair-1ift. the of Germania rode Preston in What ZD: International G NS ZD: Then I and Dean did, potential before, time. could sold So and Dane, scrape, and his business Harvester it wasn’t there? dealer. ee built we it corporation VAP down doing G G money have and-- he was the father, Thelma’s Willard, all had I and son, his 1lift didn’t the year that at new a was which I saw the over, been had We father Thelma’s it. build to money the chair-1lift, the built we when 1955 in Back stock? it Was years? ZD: #2 ski-1lift. was a partnership. two the partnership. For tax but it a always was JA: Deal. GT: What ZD: 5 SN EENT OLINIO GT: Right ZD: Before G You AD No. G Always did year never had went Millicent public family with Do you help. 7d 1lift. your we shares. shares a of incorporated, deal. time. bought time controlling purposes fifty-fifty incorporate? you the OG0 that we had liability and purposes at essence, in you, of The that At the remember? ZANE A. ZD: Always GT: When ZD: Oh, GT: DOYLE #2 family. did Dean begin Dean was involved mean Dean home. He would come was had an up for some time. son kind of When did you the to step in aside? it about bookkeeper office and In took start sell later in and his why over. turning [END OF 72 over-TAPE] long kept home tickets. years, as It the down went his son as I books in there, along was. and that Gilbert and I his he way my THIS IS TAPE THREE, SIDE ONE WITH MR. ZANE A. DOYLE, AUGUST 7, 1989. JOSEPH ARAVE AND GREG THOMPSON ARE THE INTERVIEWERS [THIS IS PART OF THE EVERETT COOLEY ORAL HISTORY PROJECT. TAPE #3.] JA: Well, we’ll think we but had we have one ski ZD: of pretty much covered a few with Any pamphlets, type of already I got in the business. I used on the winter the in ad no You would school and lean did businesses come I never I or and on took an the for out. skiing things like I would assume, on or took I ad. and Skier, me was It advertising something always ask because oh, did, when friends. (laughter) any put me of done? money of I the sort announcers never I all. ask. have lot to Brighton. a promotion that. such. as heavily, pretty ski a to that any I events, promoted might have T.V. and like and have today. main you you I Intermountain the that But something, or how brochures, plugging advertising But and didn’t that’s ran Tribune sports if up the would I a brochure. have years, we sportswriters and things of know, other always all friends just an had were they If have few most advertising you to a that promotion: as I wrap questions Well, what GT: kind question area thing. just programs school to be your the ski advertis- ing? 7zD: I don’t free I think programs really it that didn’t big. that was we think were much 73 The promoted about county ski school and were all right. But promotion. When Mrs. ZANE A. DOYLE #3 Howard opened wanted to her and G That ZD: No, we in ever done. run a a for nothing the lost &'y Still ZD: Darn near JA: Once it GT: In and pretty much with ZD: Pretty much. We GT: When ZD: You that ZD: Yeah, JA: Did ZDlk Yeah. JA: That was pretty ZD: That was it. it just the why, in the get them a and she long with pamphlets. once paper. You start 1970s to or promotion in We ski, could a while we didn’t do because give it that to them ski. did other you things. follow suit, that pattern, promotions? didn’t main Was a kids, to they do too publish that. before 1972 or GT: just of went advertising wouldn’t Randy ask your we motel too. first 1970 Lake (laughter) it and should first ad they 1960s least, Salt warm you which the come. did gets had share the spring wouldn’t did was cause. she 1960s? special in was lion’s early that why brochure, the the But anything the a carried 1958. would manor, promote was had the a much advertising. trail bet I’1l1l did we map? you it was 1970 at that. handout? pamphlet. We much ran areas the described extent the an ad 74 in and of Sunset the trail? it. Magazine with Mrs. ZANE A. DOYLE Howard #3 or something GT: PatdesiEwhileNthet ZD: Yes. JA: What ZD: about and the like ones the race. Then there would have up JA: Still is ZD: Still is. There used Who I was were them. did. lot Cup Who Then of at all. Brighton. spearheaded made it Who some Lake always Ski an races Intermountain Salt was we different the The was of Cup? we a that held those? with Knudson Club annual that Ski would they Associa- promote held at Brighton. and he’s a great for points. guess. He would Cup there, promoting The that Majestic Majestic but market? spearheaded the races. JA: races Well, tion that, €alli fornia the promoted like still wants to to be be instrumental lot of run Jr. it races in bringing those races guy. to Brighton? ZD: Sleatcillub s JA: Just GT: Are the ski there have might ZD: Jim Gattis. GT: That ZD: The first GT: Was it LD Yeah, would clubs. been Dick in be bunch people that individuals key could you think of that involved. the was like Sorenson 1970s the Dick and primarily. Salt Lake Ski Club. Sorenson? the 7:5 architect--Jack Wilson, Ed ZANE A. DOYLE #3 Warnock, and all of G- They were involved ZD: Yes, they had Millicent, Brighton JA: What ZDy: He role in he had Club. It Kay play did the race ski school older fellows. it? Brighton before Ski set a those Ski Club. the Alpine was quite in as up the Dr. White lodge, active racing courses When in they built had the races. there? director of the ski school. JA: Did the ZiD)= No, I a GT: ZD: don’t The only did coach them ever was just an when we it thing the LDk The university One a team. talked It wasn’t sport. individual to Kay was that he and he Westminster. up come Westminster tol Brighton more thing Or Nothing JA: Me sty ZD: Jr. stuff, Gl Can you mostly Brighton, and women’s the but they did often. that. have it national, 2D Alta quite on involved? Brighton, in both you did get ever skied skied They races? at from group university Did JA: more or a G come saw having them. trained team. I year a had he Yeah, remember sport, team team? a have national was all of most Were the races local too? lecal races. Jaisitu EE? yes. name some It any wasn’t of the big juniors 76 race. that were outstanding? ZANE ZD: A. DOYLE Do any names Mickey sure come David. your kids Did ZD: If GT: Did ZD: Randy I could your with him some cotton to race, and from sooner ski It that wasn’t Do in junior He was GT: So he ZD: He raced came I’'m him, was not together I’m not racing. delays day right here." And quick. I could He circuit would stand go, in a spot them. they would delays, and he said, me to race?" didn’t made up and snow waiting and he had a somewhere want go his your turn He came this He isn’t says, and mind went blizzard always. "Dad I that was that it "I’'d it. just fun. a or sixteen. about sophomore. time the said, he and raced and sophomore a he Was was? he old how school? high having they would hell one On They really from home You was then racer. picking probably ARk Vorce, racing? times. remember you David always film, you any was someplace. it do 8mm some Pocatello fun, was Cummings downhill few son, any? week, a mind? Vorce’s some do in any on the every Pony race kids race your Hugh put was home to Robinson, on GT: GT: #3 any "That fun." He that little this is had and together, decided a was he was 7T a just not he worth just it, friend that raced with just got their head was enough. they it. But kid. That it He ZANE A. DOYLE did a #3 lot of crazy helicopter to take land GT: Did ZD: They in the your in one, her race. for of GT: Sounds like it. ZD: But I the like top like of getting Millicent that. a and (laughter) both raced of them. because raced Carolyn she quite a thought bit, High School. They racers that generally was I both were the wanted of them pretty good them. noticed were she Olympus both the Things school, Nannette skiers to that, race? high and after up lot. daughters oldest raced a kite parking raced to things the ones that their folks were really into made it racing 100 percent. GT: Lotsl ZD: Well, GT: You didn’t big time ofidollars: lots Oh GT: You ZD: Although That's good for not weekend they were afford to leave did I but a lot time of dedication because and weekends time. were the you. you Majestic vertical GT: have couldn’t That’s dollars, when yeah, ZD: Mt. of teo. that in slope busy. both with went and was I away. be know, steep a racing is where those of kids the days. We Then, them. only grew up. had 700 feet. what I thinking was downhiller, I was kind 78 when of you said wondering your son where-- was a ZANE A. DOYLE ZD: He was that #3 just powerhouse. manufactures came and some of the kid don’t can stop bowls that that I want ZD: Thank God. JA: Well, he to on around strong the he goes just with kid. olympic Brighton, slopes. in about. family it wasn’t He showed says, straight down legs. Yahn, team. Yahn his with It is away pretty He it we him "This and was he just a little talk to thing you and close. do what have built wasn’t that got? you just house a a you feel become or stay She was just Do way. family your helped as next family, my for if the seems wouldn’t business the was big steeper works your probably a all. of blocks is wants, talk If of that he that’s kind that couple turn anywhere kid, him and to He lifts, showed have Well, Randy, Yahn Randy powerful JA: a close? 2D JA: ZD: I attribute a super about that sort We the all that that’s all. family of thing skied, it We all as their in mother. skiing. you Did ever do up to family? a a would cabin be in We Brighton. crammed of full go and kids skied. That’s something talked about building to involvement have we and Cabin people. JA: lady, What of lot a the else Randy We cabin. that. 79 this mentioned wanted to ask morning. you He about ZANE A. GT: What ZDL About GT: I DOYLE #3 year 1960 think as over here, told out JA: of Well, up it’s Lift was it? where it go was Majestic about 300 in M icniAEl built it out located, but refresh my positioned? right cabkiiny S butRE cabin me is you Mary start 1961. Where Well, the you or you memory. ZD: did logs like that. Randy says it to the i of Lift, 400 and there’s feet below trees n e Email logs there. log like the Lift topieE There’s cabin. this, Mary a log A normal and this was built a couple of years log (laughter) took you more than ImEtshisstE: oMt ZD: Yeah. JA: How ZD: Every JA: Summers? ZD: Summers Mary winters. trail of that as a run them logs that that went gallon I saved under drum peal of the little Right I dropped the trees, of the in put level, ground I 80 cabin. I sprayed creosoled them center I would logs other were Those All the of about for and straight and on them moisture. the the were they stack Thomas in and and creosol. about Cozziol. them, out to you timber of trees. stay would they told about stand a Big down, I before, was run string. skid so and got. I chance it? on work you did long two the logs a fifty years ZANE A. DOYLE before when #3 I I built pushed in thick Just’ put GT: What do have a there was no rocks as put them you mean great just a feet wide. what I wanted under big as the foundation you the don’t it. kitchen have I a I just about that foundation, just built rafters the roof all on and long where I was When I got put the for the roof. I took a chain saw we would and want (laughter) old Michael JA: Was ZD: Yeah, GT: Pretty young. ZD: He was young. JA: Lets see ZD: Mike is JA: Randy ZD: Mike G He is would enough to help but he was helped, Randy was forty-four, be about so it pretty would be ’61. thirty-six. Randy is been about twelve. 81 that young. thirty-six. forty-four have with ’'53. in born you 22 to it thought nothing, no on we where up then, and ground feet 32 right logs the then it, doors and would you right went and windows, was it think I no doors, No of level the to up on log. put Mike and corners. logs the with up going. square windows knew teprof-- that Right to going I foundation for started on kept Well, one. just just in aillion underground. the them. ehem I Then used Granite and JA: ZD: ever then? them. ZANE A. DOYLE ZD: He helped was #3 a lot He was with my wife him I up hill and is still up there of top wife Majestic and loose, turned to want ski in the cockeyedest you have ever your JA: Where ZD: Annette was the bottom." So very pointed "The says, goes he to oh, up the slopes trails seen. ski kids back was they are and the through they skis. pine we He young everybody where and and are why told around skis. old, the off their years ten turned a down skied they to She of heels the up trail Mary and four went hers and top the at when daughters a the kids, all like just around on right Randy here’s and his shoulder. the down down stopped and shoulder of friend a came at down you meet will "The when maybe five, about was and go you "Know Randy, He it at looks He said, holidays tree. a were mother his was them about me when into too." he when my five: or half summer it (laughter) remember can the was He He in told cabin. time. cabin. He built the the ran he all was of rest the of there." skiing of the there. the thing down tree up together remembrance first ZD: of sort that fondly it the loved us with gets still family after because I, was He But that one pretty spoke he Yeah, years. and gone. and married the the Randy. there JA: over don’t They trees got that (laughter) involved instructor 82 the in for a area? while, she worked for ZANE A. DOYLE #3 Kay. JA: ZD: They never kind of Well, to JA: stuff? Randy, and have ZD: He JA: Randy was you I ticket didn’t wouldn’t a good when he office work let the couldn’t or there him work I any until until of that later after on? he went Oh, JA: Was your ZD: No, net for me Randy in the when I area. first mentioned clearing the occasionally to trees that a She one it out started the way up Do with one of and he the hill. look you on family your type the had up was, brought that business of help? in used else business end can you fun. of lot where world, the in guy go a lot putting whatever. you to involved ever wife all things able have and living a make were he worked time which or that glad to working. brother one truck the son started equipment old luckiest the I’'m you boys your that his remember were Are and can’t the him oldest he mentioned chain told young. when he You your He out together? But old that the those that. pretty years get as time. area. got you mentioned was mentioned 1lifts, that he twelve at the GT: the Randy right, working ZD: in college. That’s So worked the to my keep books of iE? straight started. Joe and that using Kennecott 83 you were them for would come talking the up and cabin, buy about and trees ZANE A. DOYLE from ZD: you. Well, was that 1951 Forest They one when picked came I up tried was a he day. Sometimes JA: HsBEhatfright: ZD: I trees, little International an awful to lived in saw mill. I Cat. mill. and cut fellow by of the was his so of there every two every get skidded we month. them a had We them. trimmed and be logs, good a for two saw mouth wouldn’t we They sold out logs lot. That He trees. could a the The were there was Kennecott. of a old come It time that an there of that helped had that. slope. lot trees I and was next at to get ourselves the the and everyday; Td-6 off the with. What did ZD: They burned manufacture was. couldn’t them of In be with do Kennecott JA: reaction and loads would we heck to really that 1logs the Service operator all mountain they of them little marked they Larson, two not up interested a in Forest and twenty-ton Well, cut and mill had day. T-bar runs lot a Who the hauled two hauled run. Don he business, the wasn’t of canyon, up get He name came marked to timber. the involved and It clearing. run out quite taken. the was Service really I #3 in their them? don’t copper. I the furnace more than 84 24 EorRElxcs furnaces big what know they inches had in a chemical the big nsthe chute, but So that diameter. ZANE A. DOYLE #3 left me with Saw. It was like that. JA: Timber ZD: Ah, like it your a was not someone deon'SENt lot you that hard to the it else’s logs business. some couldn’t find was business, get around beautiful things might But your if of which rid we of did timber here. timber. look not I find if roses to real in the business /St olbl et 2 ZD: REdsBaniindusitEy JA: Well, true that’shk too much Mr. Doyle, Forty-five GT: Forty-five number one the I ski the area to days; ZD: Not GT: When did it start ZD: Probably in the late GT: What agency was the ZD: Health GT: For for ZD: State I really that comes thirty over years the agencies, can’t think to or time mind it of you political too wasn’t tough? getting dealt entities? bad. In the 1960s? 1960s. toughest county? Health. 85 for you to deal is you so. do? departments. the lumbering. covered. Obviously tough old have, things regulatory pretty in all of and it s cnses haven’t years. of logging allsl S in we your ZD: with about that operated that is ridiculous, in inch that Especially a 36 amazing GT: GT: of with? with Is ZANE A. GT: State ZD: Salt DOYLE #3 Health. Lake because Water they had everything anything GT: you them. bureaucracy, and a It decision. anything could Got from strikes and me Forest could things. to do seems in those still it was if anything to the have major, he all for skiing was out of the recreation people working Washington heard if he for part him was get of once got had came a of the shrewd to be could a make before Forest working for Forest Service, (laughter) That’s the 86 of Salt the kind listen a Salt he of Lake were and they Anything, unless Then, then of you guy, he but was He was City he go was Herbert way Forest they course, would Johnny better guys you ranger, old the to Lake it. and It there done Service. one involved. sometime skiing. I think, tell I along promoted D.C. as Ranger. care was he being things you heavier though, quite Lake take Cozziol truly for days Salt would a little Cozziol. I a about negotiate Washington Service, there afraid to nobody to them concern Service that go blame done. who you mind. to individuals it me personalities the can’t tough Forest have be was to that Well, guy. the talk, weren’t and the It seemed would you honest-to-goodness Then ever but did. it with others key ZDi: a real that with away Department, up in a great Service or if was make up his were. They ZANE A. DOYLE did #3 make John decisions. came the to West, told me Salt but Lake, he right I think realized out, He said, "You we have know." why he told he was what says, haven’t It I had was was guy. to going with from Chandler going not deal true, when a great "Your to you then He St. was happen. to in He like me." bureaucracies like on, nothing was the same. GT: Do you to fell make like people, decisions, then, or that didn’t have the authority they just afraid got orders not to make decisions? ZD: I don’t know but maybe they to make a decision. GT: It didn’t Dk It just happen? nothing and world, the happens in meetings have all the until it gets can You happen. doesn’t top the to dog. It ZD: Then you want to bad no give in those comes and back? a 150,000 environmental block it anyway. I ecologists the them with at some young going to save the about what he is all, it’s meetings, from it’s up, have as as way the all goes JA: don’t are, of maybe know, know. I don’t some eco-freaks, the things ridiculous. so Most the jerk that had seen world, but he doesn’t talking about. 87 we’re But is goes on the light; know just there that of that a time he is thing ZANE A. DOYLE JA: What #3 about groups Commission? it? ZD: Over That’s The that like the county had part that politicians. City Council and jurisdiction wasn’t They the had up Forest the County there didn’t Service? jurisdiction now over guess some everything. JA: Tough to ZD}- There again of deal there are with? they are afraid decisions afraid of they a handful to say make, of I local anything. I can’t believe it. They people, people that like Ee== JA: Express themselves. ZD: Express themselves. state want the olympics--the just no country can JA: ZD: improve to you you comical, What about have much and the Big dealing i Eiminoty move. there? Now, them, compare It’s Neo are skiers for yet even they get them? associations. 88 it For you remotely, Cottonwood with come make and can you that way they away up plate in the Yet, if then nice, How who? to are been Association, there many is Cross- skiing. downhill Wil Eh about talking their so with Earth." on have living their licence for--now anything skier make Snow Greatest "The is, Utah of they the is thing comical The ridiculous. that things the of Some talking. guess I talk. and up get and school to been have that guys Young How skiers. e did you ever ZANE A. DOYLE JA: Were #3 they ever strong enough to abeut Jim. be a force one way or another? ZAD)R No. JA: WeltalllsedWaNiliittile ZDi: Jim. JA: Jim. ZD: Great guy, when JA: Any hit other people like you Nobody JA: What ZD: The about away from today, if Now, when be? care of could old go Jim way it was that way did. different know. lot? a where road would came up every- plowed and far state you state away pulled Through the they and lot everybody Was road, the started, parking the never state the for you bother didn’t it it’s politics With terms? real that first I take let’s administrations, crews-- road and the involved flip-flop, a in wasn’t it OF Lee, Governor in are governors. the you [END Like that like just yourself. it had have whip you Gradually thing. that, with to plowed they Brighton it. a it’s mean enough keep state? it did and day, to of? packed changes and Well, think the state What we can that night we going pioneers ZD: ZiD): he’s the that JA: but bit I would SIDE when was he have 89 ONE] a the real governor, battle with why him. you I ZANE A. DOYLE would #3 go up in anywhere. He didn’t wasn’t and doing talk to either it forget JA: That was ZD: He What about ZD: That was JA: Let’s did it You ZD: The meeting crew what was happening. he said If was done. If getting with He yes, he just him would then, would say by "No", Clyde was in Tram the Forest the the of one the best was would Service agencies three had inspection. lifts, the over talk Tram The tape. one on to started We Service Forest or Service. with board it conjunction Forest the Rampton. and Lee between was go. and touch of Commission, . about bit with inspection, tram kind Rampton out. you helped (laughter) Actually, inspection, Really? a was control had the company. JA: road it little In conjunction honest the have always but about a it close. it but weren’t go "No". much mess. a through ZD: explain and we it. Commission They yes and it, would or Clyde? talk about know I "Yes" pretty JA: JA: and governor, good Yeah. him office, it. always ZD: job. was then a a say, golly, his that wound inspection the accept 90 that up that insurance their-- with watched to you be insurance the you the would companies. pretty official get, an ZANE A. JA: How much education you have to DOYLE #3 started were Well, you used to they were complicated over board with the when the maintenance. So was pretty it years did IS ENgoE trams, not YOuUSE mining They pretty He ZD: They each and lift of were around for isn’t bunch the of task knows does. If doesn’t the I think that any inspector then right, anything, run and individual each isn’t anything sure than thing whole make maintenance about more any made. more does time, had never I just were maintenance the Canyon. recall would skiers. years. of lot a I As of them Cottonwood They just He run. doesn’t lot and part else anybody or a a present concerned, more Just with fair. the the at now, Mike 1lift. inclined them. and inspections ski There them Big in up with problems get knew, pretty were to been had cabin a has JA: much he Quigley, easy a though. doing. were you engineers about and is board Tram dealing gears that ZD: tram through? know, anything JA: the trams. ski ZD: go of unless it it’s il JA: Any other that should don’t ZD: I JA: What’s groups be think the that dealt you those terms involved with. along with mentioned? there hardest was group any of 9 that we people were for you to deal with ZANE ZD: A. DOYLE #3 in being a I never either JA: What ZD: I JA: Did ZD: Uh-huh, JA: Well, I was guess along or most had that I fun more was hard laughed to deal friends at deal them. with. They (laughter) with? in the long they you do. the the is I were of think no think would lasting friends Forest Service. certainly in the Forest close and they Service. understood the business. whole reason question, that agree. the because bigger true holds Thank was in that you, will Thanks. [END OF INTERVIEW] 92 it any SLE o JA: to you? is. I operator? anybody the I There JA: had went nature ZD: ski we were gets very the be it. harder or business I small. it anything appreciate