Heber C. Snell, Ph. D., Logan, Utah : interviews conducted by Frederick S. Buchanan, Lewis Max Rogers, and Dale C. LeCheminant

Transcript (95 pages) of interview by Frederick S. Buchanan, Lewis Max Rogers, and Dale C. LeCheminant, on June 13 and October 18, 1973

Snell (b. 1883) talks with Fred Buchanan, Max Rogers, and Dale LeCheminant about religion and education. Subjects include Brigham Young University, LDS Seminary, excommunictions, the place of religious studies in a university, Sterling McMurrin, Joseph F. Smith, conflicts between faith and knowledge, priesthood meetings, the excommunication of John Fitzgerald, an interview with B. H. Roberts, and Dr. Snell's personal religious beliefs.

HEBER C. SNELL, Pt D. HEBER C. SNELL, Logan, Interviews flfinfif Ph.D. Utah Conducted By . B Frederick Bium SF Op S. Buchanan, Ehid Daille '¢. Lewis Max LeCheminant Rogers, d Everett L. Cooley Oral History Project : ~June 13, and October 18, 1973 P T M Marriott Library SispecialColllections University Salt ANy Riate in Between Lake of City, Department Utah Utah Table JUNE 13, Biblical Seminary Studies Influence Ancient on TIsrael:Its Regarding Story The 0ld and LDS Relationship With Merrill, at The Question Joseph to Doctrine High Current Mormon 18, Religious The in Debating Conflicts Widtsoe 18 Teachings 2 215 Quorum Writings of 28 Mormon Scholarship Intellectual Community Doctrine 30 318 34 1973 Studies Importance Belief Dr. Covenants Priest State OCTOBER and Aversions and Mormon Smith and Beliefs of 16 F. Trial and 10 14 Contrary Future Wilkinson Charges Excommunication of and S With Ward West, Opinions Excommunication Responses Leaders 12 of Meetings Meaning BYU Symposium Negro BYU Testament with Conference at Students Relationship Local Contents 1973 Scholarly Work of a in of at the Religion Rational in College Faith Meeting and 36 319 42 Universe Priesthood Between University Knowledge 46 47 The Mission Joseph Faith Smith’s and Joseph Testimony Smith’s Within Interview Newel With Religious of Personal Elements Paths the Personal and at the Its the Natural Religious and and Freedom 63 Excommunication of 66 70 72 Suppression University Order Rituals Spirituality Truth 61 Roberts Book and Book Caldwell B.H. Morality to Dr. to Religion Writings Teaching Revelations 58 Mormon with Young’s Value 55 Reaction Fitzgerald’s Experiences The 53 Skepticism F. Problems John Field Religion 74 of Utah 77 7.9 84 86 88 Ot 93 THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF AN INTERVIEW WITH DR. HEBER C. SNELL AT LOGAN, UTAH, JUNE 13, 1973. THE INTERVIEWERS ARE FRED BUCHANAN, HAY ROGERS, OF THE UNIVERSITY OF UTAH, AND DALE LECHEMINANT, OF THE SALT LAKE INSTITUTE OF RELIGION. THIS IS PART OF THE COOLEY ORAL HISTORY PROJECT. INTERVIEW NO. 1. [Apparently missing. In the tape of the first part it, Dr. Snell discussed his pursuit of higher also talked about University FB: You in that HS: I this were was time not teach Bible, of on talking a the a particularly church the I know church the very men that So of I two as teacher some to There were that were, and whole on its to to two come and leave there was there we any was was affect I influenced. but teaching I the very on these believe affecting for as on affect attend one were very, some to took for what if and I scholarship required Utah, College I taught revert that individuals three was probably were Snow German religious say in invited whether or would was in him. fact, who But ago who or a I been with In knew campus. little. seminary Y. also biblical teaching, classes. I moment by little--very the German Provo about summers. for having Pocatello--no, up and Graham acquainted in I came summers place about personally and the summer there teaching three the 1930s.] saying you Yes. education at the University of Chicago. He the Bible scholars who came to Brigham Young the were of this interview is own education and his think it by it? was minimal. FB: Which HS: You men don’t would mean you for say me to were name most them? influenced Because I couldn’t. HEBER MR : C. SNELL There JUNE were Chicago, a number weren’t of men at there--you the and same Sperry 137, time and 51973 going Swenson? to Who else? HSk MR : e sk Wasn’t it the HSE Taggert? MR: No. The man EHSE: Who was that? MR: What HS: My FB: ThiisiSn was few whole. Is HiSE great scholars anysratEatEhe FB: You got conversation HS: Ohysyesk a you note had as in here with and on a Y. one followed I know, there said, the McNeil. paper another and not been have imdilcate more "No I no men Chicago these after were There entirely. it they think I Because i Saythilsiiseems s Eol stepped authority have far As sincelti Ve they Then, stopped. the to invited as church the on only it that saying. saying. was I turn. their were you discontinued have not that Utah N appredchibin feel to influence no had and what is everything of good. seem you education, what that would had president tilonall A intelilec tual NNz people that Yes, was no is It it. on cold is religious a hit that name? ot lonNo Mormon here Taggert. before his memory up time? a for State man have of Eolme it." about the HEBER C. SNELL JUNE FB: Regarding the HSE Yes. T. John Eield, returned tion from in with the church He said the least his work by the church. he didn’t he probably taking there was What do really you institutes no is on the Y. I didn’t was at much of Y. and great on that the know, hindered I suppose although the say, effect as a on whole made. of it I would church influence Does as I favor further. being But, impression students? in any far he conversa- beliefs, them. account, but a entirely. Mormon about into the as of after much go men, the had very favorable, good, think at He thing was day doing. something men one when the history him was of particular the he any his and with summer in found study whole man teaching religion any seminary I just knew this and that of It make talked was in great s religion I and what about a 1 of Chicago of the was Utah McNeil, 1973 men. education. I was FB: McNeil SithesWhistory religious had Chicago 13/, seminaries filter down and in any way? ESH I think that they INamieuitedsure Of open Lake mind. it there course, students are are s, may affected I think Institute held when this pretty well fromiwhat be pretty would Brother within ‘lhittle be Dale by true know abeout: someone for who example LeChemiant was it: where instances individual well T orthodoxy. has at an Salt there. HEBER FB: C. SNELL Yes. I that and JUNE remember being DL: No. I was HSE Oh, are MR : Dr. Snell, and our a me But S But that at in to you I am talking director still the get was a one on and there the all once? faculty. of was education of wife and impact instrumental Religion me to in think you. in a my certainly person it member be is Institute Bible my would There was Logan of point you. there the view you were way and one who made the think I undoubtedly; I director. and any Mormon seminary institu- class, and I was exposed was-- yes. Oh, if never certainly in there Weren’t case I didn’t I Yes. good because tion. MR : the relationship another Yes. welcomed. never training HSH: you 1973 you? there of meeting 13, went some to impression and on students. excepting probably one, other comments you influenced, were there went that men Chicago Sydney whom Sperry, mentioned. FB: Did HSe Of you to we don’t religion. think with the those think I course, come any have conclusion have us of of know course, we do, so the old orthodoxy. us on were our religion, on that we this can’t there? who have thinking that influenced in well pretty monopoly a Some of have isn’t very the the well truths case. go of They along HEBER FB: C. SNELL What was the the response leaders work as for HSH JUNE a and of the scholar? the laity How and did leaders scholars, non-Mormons and members, about regard 1973 your your own book, instance? Well, the quite liked quite a number of list at University non-Mormons Chicago, helping would I Dr. my would by book. As I I encouraged that help The gave and these writing wrote the the way through. the academy one year the reference. and They tried to I of in Ricks it that. the I it had Persona- this department in in way of if he the asked and the him he it took I to did of him Sbut ~he it had So, hold got every back book. which An not know my book calling it really, and "An answer to prayer for as was throw not know, it, was book use the sent it another My did I California. it, Tennessee, Then, BYU. in and write words, very there to review One as LitEle N eriticism, all its it chapter, or say of I did time education." Fitzgerald as the somehow to did about didaveny a wonderful at who all were head Irwin him it. far Southern me but religious a A. so have acting in it, of of my Expositor existed, reviews told criticiismtasHe read almost the William criticize that good review chapter. o it. the excellent as church 13, at used a text, demoted it there out and to in St. George and for about second place entirely. required Alva his HEBER C. SNELL students eight JUNE}"3f, to read copies So, certain to it put was ordered it and yet some the side and up the some FB: How did the HSE: Oh, I by the because effect, reserve used, locked of on parts students don’t know them. me men. kind so. some respond of to that. and Joseph men on about for seminary told influence, it, then seminary they of he got about Fielding Smith This of “1597:3 is a fact, looked at did have it So, it the seminary men. remember. My on some it? I don’t own students? FB: That HS: Oh, is well, taught came I I at mean, have the out, bought FB: what in used 1947. I is came into it ing, he read it used what he Salt me down to I We had that were his main one was my quite That it got the and invited went. myself Institute. This as it Logan it. soon What yes. as it my of interleaved to little the first text into hands Lake is a then, trouble, brother it discussion for a objections? Can you time and it I it they because Joseph here discuss when as Field- and there and with him, and couple of remember hours. some of Parable of them? HiShe Well, interpretation thelsthilckshNnR Rz elcile still and Mormon believe and is the Bible. He it "Ezekiel’s Swhtileh’, 1837 teach of is had “"of referring Ycourse’, to interleaved, Mormons the Book of course, of HEBER C. SNELL quite a JUNE number Snell, when you Mormon view of Smith, simply I couldn’t a little during mad He and putting in you know. The upshot me, on 0ld view had that was that lot a West stood by me up here this he said, the said, "Well, the Hebrew of without truthfully greatest the That Isaiah. trouble that, about the from released were you grand about in Second was at but I story of true. Dr. consider the the Brother isn’t that that Testament, give Even put a write scholars he’d it remember, I you occasion, you write but he every to of 1973 Brother "Well, existence book. some said, a book." did couldn’t the of me "Now, didn’t I although my trying I in of your in him, satisfied it said, why Mormon Snell, what of prophet put at devil, people, the days was He Ezekiel, defended I West, places. prediction?" well Isaiah" "Second Dr. his last the in "Why to because bit the other get very institute. FB: of 13, InskEiEuEe? EiSk the Well, upshot of and that modest would kind not account have before a in church the present to tried simply a the against of of class at I what students talking the far teaching scholarship the thought my of about institute. the didnt& go it. I from as regarded And Bible. a parable I was I book. i vay radi caldatyalils nevierrtonmyaiewnithinlkcing, out the teaching my would - of not that have I HEBER C. SNELL JUNERISSVEN1S07/3 thought of to in say, and this DIE- Can I B Surely, DL: Dr. it. would ask him DL: I am to get a was give me enough them into a otherwise true view that I had the Bible of trouble. question? Dale. wasn’t YEesy there order Snell, ESE= But, your work was in New Testament, primarily, it? wondering how you came to write a book on the 0ld Testament. HSE Dr. DL: I see. ESE: I had West asked So, rightly. it church at was the church what I was Dr. West that Did me he for have give a eighty-five copy a write book in first two I had gone that he said, one on on the a far, 0ld if copy New and I want That I had you Testament. I of Testa- history centuries. "Well, the or that--the the and pages, somewhere, interested at. it, do about about and to to? headquarters, aiming aside asked I greatly about you written remember is to. invited already ment--I DI he me of is told to lay So, he this. you any time off encouragement. No, he or any help, or just encour- agement? HSH: Just Of course, I had the didn’t summers. give me any time off. HEBER C. SNELL JUNE" FB: Do you have anything Sy No, I believe not. FB: How was your church? dent HS: Was Well, I 1940, FB: Int 1594155, ESE: I never looked guy like and never B That was EISE: Yes. I The but down you tried Clare with had on me seeing any presidents from McKay? see, President Grant him. a I tried great big said, "What man," so She well. could I do tried came before. about him. He he would read my are read up a and good halsliastE never where you applied did day. one president spoke place where and deal of shickibed SN hear his some it Soln of see just is a wilted the [Laughter] to do me tell he did and this. you read under-authorities interview someone the with this and a man know that is a fact because George A. Smith when he thiinlks het read I to Let book, an for telling was I "Yes, said, to secretary, I twice Smith a best that. A. in died business and George was my woman see, I the them--Presi- President Let’s it. of more. it said there. or great Middlemass. remember say 18973 1940s. and a to response early he want the Smith, contact McKay, with not--let’s he. in you personal President I was came she poor any didn’t President and or think in that relationship there Grant, else 13V, It reaction to it if he the' beok, had one. was "but I on L HEBER FB: C. SNELL You have JUNE got President HS: Yes. I sent report to me in jeweler, was would read he read it. on told about this experience so right he I He say did and to with with using the in the He is the was the driving this, I was Robert only he president Snell, said." book. class said, "Brother him well the he a way my so a the found of when father he I asked book quite find copy it train. my and he did Robert, remember that me son. a He never I might got can’t copy. he son, his He said, what through, his thinking the He but disappointed was about well. it, through that day, satisfied friend once book. me He thinking. me it. about remember him his fathemSeonel a bit an complimentary See, president in he ways. teaching--my hilsi McKay not was son T my that knew. How Very West, and from I phoned him brother, Will, asked and present to if a the at I copy BYU could of 10 so my for come book. day one many up Wilkinson. with much house brother’s my taught him say wouldn’t Wilkinson and administrators-- the Wilkinson? I Well, good. with relationship your about Merrill, HS: he the something FB: that several to on, details I a if liberal Later about McKay I called talk very here President saying little note 1973 McKay. replied to a 13, years. and He in talk said, Provo. My I phoned with "Well, him if HEBER C. SNELL you can get barely a JUNE enough little about it it was know on high school it to So, couldn’t I It is just more FB: How EiSh: West Dr. me him about it in him at West? it said, book your Wood’s very there. For book. read He it a number at all recommend Fielding about reason Smith words, thought at I told and had He enough to all, too and heavy comments it. the and inquired was of me I it school said gave up criticism. nothing very went my high you he 1973 that the book. wrote right you can’t you not I never me, "I do to." had any all. Was he quite Carl yes. supportive? the offices under his arm." Carl, was he time you told Wood among words. a I hadn’t made "I’ll those from go West a for or Joseph book, my liked and read I He seminary. knew him me written he because from with that gave and you." left text. for and put he minutes," see and students, showed it. and many will him wasn’t seminary to "I later intended he so time, with that back in talk a wasn’t for here 13, These building are almost Carl an office down had know, the church the in seen have church of supervisor seminaries. )l Were MR: He you involved should have Wilkinson all of took the been. over meeting that in the institute Weren’t you reins from people alal into BYU. at at the West; the meeting when BYU? he We when called had a HEBER C. SNELL JUNE several-days session evolution, tion? HS™ I Do you don’t this. and spoke Peterson remember that? I of St. What HSE It was of some did he the next kind. that being at George and night. This He against what how handed he spoke we had me borrowed it speaking. Woodbury so handed on the meeting. a I I meeting spoke, and my had He talked Negro on ques- don’t remember where John Joseph a MR: What was the date HS: That was in Barrett FB: What year HSi Oh, golly, MR: The meetings I T. Fielding night I next was had me, and he entirely very he came gotten I well handed and through him the will illustrate it. It here like this, and he looked the other standing while fact, I day--T went remember In after and conference way and word. would Were was institute fact, preceded manuscript not group. In an manuscript. the dramatic. me next immediately Then, was the said. my said No, talked Smith say? manuseript. HS at Fielding 1973 afterwards. BB was was remember Woodbury Joseph Mark believe I and 13, I of that Hall that wouldn’t that you out Fred still by meeting? at be, the Do you remember? LDS. about? know. had in the 1950. 12 in mind were institute 1954-55, system in that that late? HEBER FB: C. SNELL That brings Aspects it HSE- JUNE us of Less the years In ago. is prominent as the A And up on thexre? ESEs Yes. That’s of us for a the first. Suggestions Functional sent it, the me for in this Making Individual a I notice number that sponsoring formed while. campus, book it. and a In kind our Anyway, and of first an I was grew did a Well, I that you was of your name committee, and of an organization meeting--it important chairman out good guess you see the and is the entirely and meeting of the Do you part, in that. may was meeting. have it for making orthodox less and major way of influence their a Mormonism so it that lives and more would so on. job. answered have as church doctrines this took course, very fundamental think he people to down Geddes of functional, on of "Certain here? speaking, and a member opinions. Yes. one I through little This EShs looking the FB: He More Geddes number been the get with Dr. as lasted have held and of 1973 moderator. yes. not symposium Education Theological Life." Oh, this LDS Community which FB: to 13, their practically in its major no simply education emphasis change. 13 this The by saying reinforcing basic before, system. still. teaching It goes about on the HEBER C. SNELL Negro up FB: a is and Was a see there young your EISE= JUNE No, good example. that a Negro any man Why is discussion as you in the just as about came world good that through don’t as 1973 we wake anybody issue the 13, when school else? you were systems? Did study. I don’t remember any discussion on that question at 1 FB: Did you have any questions about it when you were studying? Sk Well, one I might thing little he Well, issue? HSE: I not skin of Did guess hilst®sy, "A it as and man is black discuss been just That that as and is in determines an man the and very good up as my a a good part a T cehink ‘it was' all of is. did the become young of if about man When were for orthodox and you in a Negro priesthood issue up belief what issue. when summed education an ittty It it sums become it is. said decency color the hdsnt I have well." this has attitude and did they my white morality when question say himself is and what I groups, It this FB: that behaves it. say an man? church back in ‘an' issue discussed when you were it when they Missouri. FB: But, was teaching? were in it Did something students seminary or that ask was questions institute? 14 about HEBER HSE- C. I SNELL don’'t JUNE remember it although it shouldn’t party at at man, John "I one have never off and By I I over have or I months Do HS}= Oh, me: charges saw this ago, at from this a in thing man He are the gave of Dr. Ray was my It question. don’t know didn’t to his years, was I and thought just he said, He is answer, about in that me discomfiture. where man took I any just happened I had whether have One period, black." life. a of Paul. discussion God much me University some And black." Probably the place same the this. about at all after invitation. two or staying said, I I that to didn’t want charge against ataailils: say should thel they man Broadbent . He problem some cause local me against believed that 1973 question students the believe applauded was sin during he God here me a you my home And you I the you?" believe yes. years I I that my of God. of tallkaboutiitl of seen kind that I told answering by believed Didn’t was night "Well, FB: you asked Some homes, never crowd way, one such black. ever believe asked that feet. the three Fetzer, of the of their thought "Well, was printed. end of I men--I be heard my white some the Utah that 13, It so. you? for came in highicouncil. when I was through the president this man, and 15 John It was one to trial stake, Dr. of the of I that came course, Fetzer, four of it Of black. was that a summoned God said as Salt Lake had HEBER C. SNELL JUNE been missionary kind of and companions rebuke, I were, you and know, he for other its FB: What that HSH Well, generally faith. I wish I them have FB: Where EISE Well, are made were I was a up exactly where a he apparent- Thils, & Testhsinks; me. you? didn’t to got he against I where party here, against that 1973 Fetzer that charge brought speaking, I knew at when tofNBroadbent S being charges So, repulse, heard Iyacommunsiicatediithis accounts once. 13, believe refer the to those, but Reminiscences, mine. My here. you this reading is introductory An from? 0ld paragraph Man’s is this. It is the only paragraph INamspreondios: "Like of Nephi, goodly role not "Last end up. a father left FB: You were being I hope in I it Mormon is the determine will now. saying? 16 is This in it I Dante’s ohy for my The finally Hell. @ about: old excepting book many. heros. how an born there, of ithroughy, a wonderful that in be not I was stops category anything written hero, Comparison will pages without have of 'fromwthere igonon "Here thought, So, parents. hundred nearly es." Book Judgment" Sor ., I I a my book blank eighty, that my pages. reminiscenc- HEBER HISH C. SNELL JUNE I would say of man, this once. He after have you all. men, and know his testimony. I me to me the would I was you have than any of the charges I this. idea he came else that he was you, or a sit this were wrong," been behind the that a there and in my get heart man church. hate Let’s over the don’t was door down. nothing We gentleman into the me respect. been in I insulted have has 1973 kindliness was and have he don‘t. against he you really I the never but You or anyone but He "Come Although, him, Do say, for greatest if right Because more say, about man. hate with everything, talk this respect Smith. would whether opposed right I great Fielding almost friendly against DL: Joseph on it a I have treated disagreed through that 13, I him who have at a all. instigation local matter here? HSE: Well, about all I can say there is I have no evidence at e (End One down to Salt Lake shortly after it came out. edition. And, to Fielding all way the references points. We He what his in to his had I my discuss came he had read The by invited was criticism office. 17 A) It surprise, through. with met my Side meetings. the about Now, HSE Tape Joseph with book 1947, him first out in it all interleaved and put it was, church at 1little different historian also HEBER C. SNELL was there, through I had that as and give said, way well as me and Dr. his I would through the Widtsoe. He would criticism of some answer book. him. I had So, no JUNE 13, 1973 leaf the book of we the were objection things going on whatever to that. I was ally, a by full at the the said, a "I meeting book, and have to on bless you, agreed my Eiellding. @ Hthgavel I I might say rode down [to "I want "I said, rode his in hand his down going back know, and his my mel Carl him." decency. to I this took to and City]l Wood, But, I to get a certain talk me and he to Joseph with Carl said, "God that I won’t need that showed his Joseph who Wood, into went put Smith] dollars. to I pay. kindness, that he you. here." down this, both Fielding. and ten he put tell for give So, against so say point to mean will about coming would 18 hours [President report. your for two time that had for and I word he it even lift, at on afternoon. me good down pocket, with over a in funeral the emotion- sat at behind Lake office pay in a explanations quite going to with from Salt Fielding’s Joseph came He up I have he almost really, got was another be to happened lasted, Snell." with even Widtsoce. This shoulders largely Dr. leave. but Brother though, Widtsoce time." himself, hands of Our certain excused affected, reaction hour. through and greatly He said, I am you everywhere HEBER C. SNELL in this took meeting charge, thought FB: This a of Just FB: The really Oh, that this, yes, And St esE FB: I S we you believed Yie spabuE I have talked you though, all was I believe, the points. or he Never anything. it? local God black. was to it This was thing, was University against your just that was diary of you. to after I quit Utah. One find of them was out what the were. findiie . But, ST fcanitllet yeoul I wanted more much was the charges charges which at authority about, for somewhere. meeting me where it? went Silcanidt it by trial entirely, three down after. brought other for followed 1973 yes. long remember respect that 13, it? they that one a wasn’t teaching, the me wasn’t trial in had meeting, after FB: he wasn’t a and calling meeting, HS HSH JUNE to haveri Mt hought mention this this first twelve other than important second one. FB: With Joseph Fielding. HS: Yes, Joseph Fielding, people. there There and important people two Thomas was or three meeting, there. and Joseph I say I would Romney other assume, Fielding 19 ten there. apostles. because had said, to Harold was This of the "You Lee B. was quite an number of can invite HEBER C. SNELL anyone wife JUNE you want," went FB: About HS: It with what would be Qlay. HS: After I whiillel Thwas in was it would teaching my ARE IF was teaching up the Ezekiel course it wasting called the mean to read this? Let’s read So they said, "Go of nations said, reunited. wanted them book. It refers up. Bible to I is as and Judah, They were the the and said, me is very I same "Would what it of was passage, said, Book ask because because The And plain I as prophet "Why, of you read day is of Mormon. permit he and apart at this stick it to just me other doesn’t the reading referring that nations." 20 That my together." the and to too, brought it that reunited, book, itwup, allowed investigate ahead." "It itself, wanted be was them. The nations." Israel it could question was meeting. the the passage my was means the my side. couldslook whole answer to and second The to for, here, passage I my (Or, "I anybody supposed doesn’t and hadltime, and It group, institute. time. book, two on And, 1950s. there?) I were McMurrin. 1973 be? the my Sterling two this at be was those through was This invited so the meeting out. I would and questions. the me, year EB: but so 13, to the prophets time, refer and to he any HEBER C. SNELL JUNE Well, in a to an I will "Well, Those very that," chapter. I In to as therefore, of Fielding, "I would in "Ezekiel" or is do that at to he the you they ever respond, to write when I get at once, he [Laughter] this expect is Bible and means." were you of up that but thought the way from has at wants to Oh, he he never would went, Joseph Smith Book of what Well, be he interpreted The the here letter. it, I church, that, are my which church call known I to would anybody the it what his received all our of have I go But exposition and referred of must like back "Well, letters Instead, you things back." three-page even meaning right as subject. coming said, available him. and 1973 did. argument that his you I two president thing chapter he beginning every passage my to the down, that acknowledged convincing "From off reply--my never referred got And them--he have we write a, his while, remember certainly him little that will and might You of University read kind Joseph always sent a kind words. and I it that exposition said, the of Brother home." MR: argued meeting said you we 13, the Mormon; devil the know? fighting a losing battle, then. Dt Did Covenants record of commentary the Dr. Snell, about that, stick? 21 to that the Doctrine and to the refers HEBER HS*: C. I SNELL JUNE imagine they question for DLz of word, In that the referred whether the the word of particular record record. Do Doctrine of and wondering what you ever responded to it. question, but I and it brought up Covenants seems rather I mean? used It just be the is the word to point and is referring record seems your that that to than supports Maybe am this 1973 Lord. nation see and Doctrine the Covenants if it, instance, the you to 13, how a me of the that the of view. I they might have ticky wondering to if am theological they had any response. HSE: Well, I found believes a that TSN the It DL I commentator "stick" as that used in even that for chapter a moment refers to Nalsymbe 1Mo book. DL: HS: no Symb ollie fNauEhe Bl EyamkbsnA t 2N Ps nation. is the symbol is that think of what the nation, yes. Doctrine the and Covenants cates. Sk Oh? DI But, HiSEs No, DIif= Well, I just they wondered never they if mentioned they that. wouldn’t. 22 ever mentioned that? indi- HEBER HS: C. SNELL As you I think same DL: fiesk FB: Do know, you in have Well, I Yes. B. Lee I but I don’t in the I mind to missionaries, guide found, about or classes, isn’t door "Brother you, mistakes kind of the it? your my meeting little in was the with spat with have that in How in statement Doctrine and 23 the I went voice said to me hour it will to before go over up from and within the I saw said, president was this, of and I? "You the an street the could About headquarters." of said, he I think; was. with presence he thing The I I had do at So, it. it "Well, across for the it. to brethren corner. him, what months, what hotel, made first Snell," of we on here thought, Temple forget the I Did reflects wondered the I week. them a couple by I in your in did. of and The never we and the and church. if telling some open, in," about last Logan. there on you that maybe for with Utah will did be comments It Lake left talk "Come not. Salt I was one give today to told know later, bus Hotel they 1973 later. don’t believe a month I mentioned I and is other believe You spare that literature any No. my help 13, Fielding? taped? HSE any interpretation Harold FB: in even Joseph HSE- JUNE really meeting Covenants?" didn’t that there mean, were HEBER C. SNELL I UUNE said, wouldn’t go over any here of Jesus tol than "The of the at Some B.C., quoted Church comingt sharp coming So, of that born before the massacre of the alive, they and the believe Well, Then fefget don’t have principle the Lee &b children "I lhttilel time being Covenants to in to it says since the New was Testament has still was Herod it cinches this told I Jesus that the the birth. so that, us wa's that his meant on So if agree King meeting. fleshi S shows B.C. the years flesh that effect. remember them later says this SinSthe while not if Testament." New said, Four in died rate, 1830 because One from I don’t Testament New B.C.--anywhere question no was good that words the the agree any and or all Covenants get in church they at or and to Jesus Year Herod up Doctrine once, the even them look "organized there course, and JesusChrilst Lord our away But Christ," ofllour ¥ Lords of a block years Doctrine for to four Saints, enough, time least One., I the that Year it take Christian six. believed just find Jesus Latter-day hadn’t will half the the the of of say the you I will and in if library you born born I If it. history four. four was said Jesus, was ten Lee, to competent life he have "Brother 317511973 when don’t bit¥eut have ©f there whether 24 'said, "You involved?" The in the patience." principle a are is that." over go to time I mistakes HEBER C. SNELL JUNE Doctrine have Covenants time." and we FullyS FB: and That both et Yan much much confidence in trial result I hourtWBut , II ithought &€ the interest in there wasn’t? HSE No, there never Tanner never saved worried my about and He was fact, here in conversation bet we talked avman I don'’t for weuldn’t didn’t do have too up Logan, what did it one. So, wanted we me to go down McMurrin over, it. And McMurrin Obert McMurrin twice. drove about tomorrow." Sterling entirely, and called talked one. was it and will have him." Sterling called Hugh Brown, and he call the He me." while you talked postpone this said, are "I will here." with trial him for This over Heber 25 Brown. was the If was quite out "I I believe. knew went said, "I Obert try the McKay, with and so said, and wife and President talk My down with friendly and held hide sidetracked. Tanner’s. now a our "I in? Oh, see of said, 1973 him. was FB: hole of little. that there Brown beginning he a Well, sat "No," off EISE: it not. the tapered that The was or 13, an you I’'d to to fail had Snell at He least us Hugh in the I will quite that president McMurrin, phone. of call ace get Obert four acknowledged stake to and a he right he said, a month, did "You and HEBER C. if SNELL you this JUNE can make over the So, I and a or He or it they all and with wanted to assure his bore didn’t We even gave a mention just the sealed This is because it which if good that and the to we 26 down through their We trial. knew a stake that-- mentioned Mormon to the in was together. already we wife, all evening and my impression nice the president was me, of stake this that Then, the it the hold sure occurred, they mercy, us not had that me to am does. counselors was, testimony had me all what I this his not truth he and happened know trial, us, mercy--their But, the to again. at this before, no him Lake. to letter phone have I was written worry don’t after be decided I come pleased. that the to I with the on Then, invited what it need and had us called. up time that. fully was would they had little it told which wouldn’t post called a Sterling letter Phoebe don’t been their that I what hypocrisy there They and do he’d anyway, me talk only completely." have that talk, I here. show But, meeting Salt said, Sterling off may house. I "You doesn’t called stuff. said, it knew a after called time. wrote so is that." 1973 day. having president week next do I of when months, and would point all the my they the stake phone in meeting, two waited somewhere on it 13, knew decided all in through his testimony and Of about course, it. we HEBER C. SNELL JUNE FB: You haven’t HISE One year from that time it, they sent another house with the same of the stake show to this this any president thought may maybe have of it after out. as we had this and he did Waehde@E atie. Wasn’t there a man remember HSE Ira Hayward. FB: What EiSE: He he his he but said, are was "I man went good W@ did the name? I Ee), to get at would we me. He least, he be church good same have or to wrote authorities eEE department forgotten a the didn’t nle) ieasite il English Evidently, Sterling The council exactly phoned to Lake Salt Logan in suppose he had enough to come down friends and now. complain while talked and his DelveusgentoMchurch of my EhE up here? Do name. with tell some me the authorities We are in e guiliarilsy? 2 the teaching still were we told elfassH FB: it although have high or just thing. eieatedl I in here I university. We to institute the same the year, year, either will do? down went We diaries precisely. one we my determined a before, the crualcl, you So, done time. go and from charges thought me men was 1973 then? month, two it thing did the let get him, to since he to down trouble if thing go MR : had 13, in the students, afterward. same at about high He you." priest HEBER ESE: C. SNELL Oh, sure. time How HSE I I was Sunday. FB: JUNESI3EE197.3 a A do I would this incident. kind of named along and were to came can head somebody the what thought, and class the back Well, in my two all that. the who he I take and first the was--said, that class even the Lake of law for the of really, months, He when I to going going to be go was stake new that to me we follow to get out. I and home class. to baby and and class is I class. to went find This place. a damn to us months two I teachers went the did you with lets of my tell I began I take the the but So, to of since told "This it." me stake study. teacher as last day teaching say, do town most of one us. in and am president all won’t not am I let Salt brethren "Well, Well, accepted they presiding installed, I me. courses hands and have ideas resignation that was and my them row the own manuals took It our that do out wrote use down last quorum? I then from of priest although to called laid down not and out the there. high well, back and the your though, was was taught reprobate, together my once even I I friendly I instructions strictly in very say, Perry not Sunday. Sunday, along men, regularly, ago ago get get a go week week you don’t don’t quit sit in part." time I presiding "Brother 28 went after officer--I Snell, we want the new remember don’t you teacher to come up HEBER C. SNELL here and JUNE sit with Those were his say." Well, I with them I invited that I to what even some of had to the goingp alls going to I were for I her. kind? people as you I and my could I mel my my wife, it golly, meet them do your or 29 kill would timesivit youw do ideas rebel do in and against ago or thing I but now, been have if I am me so badly Just as well, just terrible times at her if: a ‘case try to the some in class a was to what quite with ideas. week I wants wife but on my yes, thought, have go little a but him, against could just a flagrantly was it what since. swhat they darn I So, because go some about church know had just the slkdkemthat? You teacher of don’t sat They hear they (to thisiShessaysiats weng to tomateer out you and indicates doesn/ church, other there when quite church the in what truth. directly time sit wanted the remember ofwthe tondeit A it the there was I position be is hear say." authority this them contradict don’t I another. Well, give you whatever. and officials think when Sunday, to 1973 anyway. front I said. what to to standing in the hesitate I if two up hear want or official I "We month come what words, to obedience hear against want in to don’t took a We up no me wanted very went for had us. 13, about anything of that influence church. HEBER FB: C. SNELL It seems to response to you ESE: JUNESHSERN9573 had Well, is a go night with are in your the wide observation, teaching I University. the institute One the Y. the institute who a but indicates it me to So, I whole that four places that come I and those places know that to wouldn'’t influential lived to pack reactions I is or students been there. MR: Ray Canning. EISE: No. Not prominent at man and who quite man or in could stay and my all stayed students, of student my teaching, letters and up they Ray was, He me university? became famous, came pounded told a the who rebelled. missionary where in the one I believe, day desk. in He I was wrong Ray. He his name, my was in were down at office at a every returned way. He prominent-- I Canning. if person. you He know mention was president all is he of the talking about him 30 coming to see for me. But became quite student body here. You the favorable. HSE FIR: that course, three invite have have are my would Of impact, where I case. There institute, At this Lake and FB: became is or times the all that them. generally, personal impact. They of a and quarters. stay. number here an Salt and is book large certain southern a your believe it in this quite I say me, you. a up HEBER C. SNELL S = Into the FB: fesH HSE- Oh, we FB: In this a JUNE had little comment ism. You little argument. book on Symposium that you the a notion That of is it Opinions, take issue of progressive a all with Dr. was. you Geddes, God in make who Mormon- said, found not out the where men a week fact two at I was this meeting that corrected and that 1is and meeting In and two assumption. He today, all. So, an Wednesday a we When He was told church- this not I made a was on statement in was the same were in not proceed progressive this is meeting high must a this certain that that absolutely that other assured doctrine. such was ago apostles were, Mormon What a here about "I 1973 office? just talked 13, God, not I true; yesterday, forever." was this that you when you were told this? HSE this Probably with described I meeting very Joseph Fielding. FB: Was HS: This that is explain this is Joseph at present a little. less than that Fielding Joseph Some Fielding’s brother a year ago--a 31 in the man to that said by you? position. high the me class-- priest name Let of Mecham HEBER C. SNELL got up once JUNE and was," aphorism. same and citing got Smith Now, he it now. doubt my word I was Smith that you just mentioned of members at ly..., the rats? my FB: Read? in the has said the He and any believes forever." of you you to in He this ask him." Not one of them contradicted. And this is what you helping write anyway, afterward. mention that with MIA the there to were manuals. Do is an were that, said rid of George meeting Utah, of get Dr. that four There Merrill. Harrison YMMIA...they to not and a a conference, barn was there? in here University the that names? give quoted that he "Joseph challenge were their famous I again, who very since." "If believed, book, a God said, today says, is I And conference man 1973 this, never I instance Oh, on Smith little remember in it. yesterday, professors HS': quoted same this down I the Fielding of when "As is and face-to-face is Joseph No, me It him, "God and FB: after talks wrote, Don‘t right That, Snow. his Fielding EISE: Lorenzo told Joseph you God. in class four about thing believes In up doctrine, that, FB: talking I Fielding Mormon was 13, all President Thomas, two apparent- released, "The rats." church Who deposed the of had were burned the four [Laughter] friend who was head 32 of the philosophy department. HEBER C. SNELL HSk Not Read. D Ericksen. EISE: Ericksen. same The man He was story. little FB: JUNESTSES Now, I when they I had before him, dead one them. I of used to run was staying men like now. think over at and the Read. 11973 he has visit told the Ericksen a institute. Read wrote a manual for the MIA. HSE: Yies, FB: Do HSE: I remember FB: I am HSE Well, MhendildiiYes you for remember it the What come you yes, I I see how. don’t the But, of people wouldn’t house of speaking the and believe two two ways, really. who wanted to think is he any has done reformer 33 I man think, then is and here. I I think it that Mormon a and think all. new era he he has he is has more open to certain much, scholarwith others. Arrington, access at of there making get well, a young state I know times students was Hansen three by Arrington that or there very ideas. present it. down I he Klaus library ings. ideas bad feel Arrington my these of do. church course, against think Some Leonard You manual, followed time. do ship? HSE: the ixights. that? confused. hadn’t B thatydis but I been capable helped to to the people, old writ- don’t think HEBER FB: HS- C. SNELL What do JUNES you see you ERtEhincE ISR geing it arrives and not Doesn’t it Waldemar Read. be DL EISt: An reasons for asked me But, I radical of to or anything several we met in give him a I wrote I people. bit in So, was put in have I where education of the one of the under Dr. to the was I it. at what of what 34 just the felt church it because it in that wanted all at was was they printed. was anything was of they and time, it say because to. that and this, talk a wouldn’t think end Education gave there if there advance an of copy remember extreme Lake Salt of I journal. little a little it Department the know, don‘'t can’t. it demise. its men institute can Education it for wrote you that mentioned, anything. of Department the by is religious the about book this That something point change to attempt longer Of know they time [Laughter] you that the exactly is the arrive. As when point until to thinking out the That intellectual it. goeing start started West 1s They in You yes. He article church. Oh, sure up blast pattern? published circular will this mentioned You he on follow no I arrived. right then at Mormon 11973 that. it question. right. is That the your right and done, of Eeolgelen with lightly dealing future call If couEseIams HSE: the community? Jesus DL: of 37, it from was taught. a HEBER FB: C. SNELL You say one of HSH Well, FB: One here, the of the Yes, "I was reasons maybe speak HiSr- JUNE one for of it the being contributors put out of 13, to 1973 it, and commission." so. reasons. West, then, was encouraging people to out? he was. I think West was very courageous time. FB: Who succeeded MR: Wilkinson HShs Yes, FB: Well, I West? and Barrett. honored I have Dr. plied END West. you OF with a INTERVIEW 35 lot NO. of 1 questions. for his THIS IS AN INTERVIEW 1973 IN LOGAN, UTAH. AND DALE LECHEMINANT. WITH DR. HEBER C. SNELL ON OCTOBER 18, THE INTERVIEWERS ARE DR. FRED BUCHANAN Snell began talking before the recorder came on. He had begun this interview by talking of the room that was made available to him at the Salt Lake Institute.] [Drs DI In that little room where you had a chance to rest .. occasionally. I DL: Yes, you Bill Mulder and I that EISE: DL: don’t I haven’t I think run that gave and across one. the last one at that time. was it to I were me FISHs Well. DL: Yes. FB: Dale St Oh yes. I stayed FB: Uh huh. We told and religious HSH: used haven’t I that. remember I you when days those in little a me gave you and it, of to a come copy had. with Dr.--you his home one him about our at program Yes. 36 were part copy of down. of You know it; at least inscribed Bill it Mulder? night. thoughts the what hand-inscribed talking at studies you You future. the in church the in happen would to as speculations people’s concerning dialogue “a of "menegraph' kind N of Saiiliittle S butii i was At on in was McMurrin Sterling Mulder, remember men--I other the whether know don’t of some and and you that dialogue that of copy a me gave years. eleven about there stayed HS: about university. having some HEBER FB: C. SNELL And he was, OCTOBER was very that instead department that right would be of and these. combine That 1s to become and about Dr. Read and Dr. at Santa with this were O’Day this not. group. supposed This to of similar at department California in Santa be on area religion, education, going. at or He an I don’t about two I me down of was you meet and we having Dr. a O’Day head of University of he the of to ago, wuniversity. branch Read California years believe, with whether advisability the area. including of know invited said might met people, University I the Barbara. a focus other the the separate major suggestion. because, it, favored strongly a department Sterling discuss religion a this. must a get a program nine from about or or suggestion anthropology, good eight his 1973 then,eventually;sdt. of a Barbara, department a more to with get geodsthing; Sterling about you And establish center, sociology, structurally knew a Then SHelsisia out or it. to cross-disciplined history, expand about trying now philosophy, thatwif ESE encouraging 18, was against thoroughly it FB: That DL: Not HSE Yes, Waldemar What seemed is Tom Waldemar Read? Reed. Read. to be Sterling worrying SaicNEERvoIMwalN N e stabilktshith 317 was him € or more was the il wiklils neutral. less money gor eut and part. I Exy Eo HEBER C. SNELL get OCTOBER the money." knew. One would have dollars. aire. I over am have BB HS: But they still Would your friend a generous the FB: What is HSH: Grant be or is home big a of than number a stood daughter, me times travels out by think million- of man, country O’Day I I thousand brother’s insurance lot who fifteen more oldest interested still be in a in all there--oil grandly. thing interested EEREhinkSsomt They in like that? supporting in thinksalliSveould®havesto you let will I "Here, said, just which once, Cowley of town very a was he because it the saved he and IS about him He fellow. money." his name? Taggart. a believe pal he mine, whom it. to bankrupt, have I sSe), talk was was of 1973 cause? ohfeIthink do a on. Would such is millionaires ten my his a for with would; owns two relative at He so ready mind niece, stayed and a he my West; interests weren’t is sure Wyoming. the in forward married Cowley, had them come I He and of I 18, He cousin. representative United part of the here and California. California. It will of a relative is He of been, has States Western States. Most of He the illustrate 38 oh, I in all between his--well, here; a princi- the western over between suppose Life travels time up president the Wyoming maybe I and should HEBER C. SNELL not put FB: We HS: Well, will on do it. have I that. FB: In fact, HB: I TV, you could doj am this to there OCTOBER give write there is disgusted, speech the it a saying-- first out one and of that I 1973 [inaudible] --be next read possibilityil really, Book Bible, "The this 18, year. it. I would have to essay on might-- cannot the Centuries." You gave get this you Did really read you take that? Yes, I Sk This takes in your And if I same what about that? Well, I will the in start have that I that many. read and not I have way. which all are there studied looked more into study. 39 I them. look have will than a saying When some again enlarge for grounds this out basement, university, the your are What to interesting, very started could you going philosophy not and found you when if wonder I I and Dale here, were we time that. to is this about down in is that taught. category. learned the else religion earth science not that end the want You this on and that, is it toward Tribune. anything copy. a us attitude the to is there think last EISE: the anything or FB: copy. article us, save a read FB: in about to I have bit little that? at go there--I half talk to of bought my books up here realize them, them if to HEBER C. SNELL OCTOBER When I ISt Repi t oSN chance at whoever is and realize for iE it; I have he about completing study of I says him--and for been and I probably like to go wants to know, This is he him a this to have if he another said that life I write his lor witf the much as he knowl- more for craving so that ilibife as the and considers knows Read, something should hils by planet Dr. essays to my provided and his already has he if been complete will--if if ‘have: write hasitcemplieted on; or of 1973 complete must to to ask to universe seems one to never studyefphiilesephy would he helps going one I have this in know Ehat tempted somewhere life, I must been philosophy have feell this responsible us. little AT that since on. how 18, edge. know even not know, if have I answering John told you about of the book. know I EISh: Yeoe Dewey’s wellli Democratic sivhavie , the Can’ts know it H.H. I would goes on. but which Democracy in wrote who Horne, truth Education. I sally like to quote To in somewhere quoted have I written, know years; a meaning whom philosopher something FB: thousand has really life another have a in to craving philogephy . labeut about ] reliigionys a have, I what a book Maybe I book, A that. readsthat Philosophy of and I Education. 40 read When Horne's I was head of HEBER C. SNELL the I OCTOBER education knew that cultto the work at book make it Snow quite a College well. It for 18, a number was a little textbook, but I used Dewey he, Dewey, it 1973 of years, too diffi- quite a lot on side. Horn asked ebjlectEiionsINtoMhbiisEN Democracy man that not. Do in is was, So book Horne what? Is the our course Dewey, "Why, it. And in of that asks to one the You stop aim of big certainly of chapters education, of education "Growth see, simply any the the aim Dewey, cemetery?" growth being said, the have eriticism and effect Horne 'a Swriting discussing the would back did is to And Toward point. Horne Dewey growth. Of wrote it." quotes (Heomnes) Education. he this and in if toward this because 1is we the have to die? I can‘t at it be given be then worry son ty up, a bit Esmond of both about them has been California, but of that are who sons two and off cut course I believe because of pass 41 are brought was it around both in here good there now, have I I to and while Well, the sense any is atheists. biochemistry Berkeley; they they and ratiomal brought me. of end the is a little a learn and scientists head I was that in there that anything, study to chance If believe I can’t all, a that. means it that universe, to believe don’t men. My Universito the head it head- HEBER C. SNELL ship. OCTOBER My the other son, biochemistry At S Yes,sthat FB: How long HSE Oh, he the department 1973 youngest, is the university in state head now of in Ohio. Columbus, FB: Junius, 18, Ohio? has ISk NMesy FB: I EISE You knew him old as He it. and this year. rest for did would say wrong well as his or so ago, really this it is quite there. man. For was do? He has hills and kick out into the a great he and a rest, likes he out ago almost instance, he gets He older the Junius does it, so or year a but it, what goes enjoys was wants who science. and I brother, His about and asgoedipianist: did quite again it mental a him. Welil, 'back iteolicome about. I believe in other any be suppose I I religious a scientist may back is when quite the is his on pack alone sleeps of I month a years. University philosophy. likes he else. here out of right, g he been have might things other State Berkeley, nothing number fEhatiés Ohio poetry, at boy a pianist. the riights. at He do? likes an Lish there is He that there? years. nine or been been course. Of he has eight FB: right. is in kind. te a rational I can’t 42 what I universe. believe in started I can’t one that to talk believe is just HEBER C. SNELL here by very important along OCTOBER chance. son French through with My his purpose Esmond scientist, essay in gave the for me who to that big do 1973 essay argued chance; universe, a 18, all by the away a way entirely everything comes by chance. Well, garden and I look said, for Dr. and the credit of them, pattern beautiful your can to come save thought for garden across the my there flower flower flowers, think symmetry life must all him." I could have that been out and it. a been thoughts those I and that the in beautiful artist your persistent pretty ikbife? that end, written woman one my in who want didn’t I and and life book graduated of the one at essays knew I to it of years for way this thought loved have get you as that matter you older to begin way? have I a as just read those if a persistent. feel I see an that--have Oh, Chance, had out I knew Not going chance. it, FB: am to planned Very Berkeley that was ISt "I order who Is in saw someone Ehingiiin S son I out them, not FB: so went of my the come 43 to essays Columbia there, it that and to had an end. that has this to come I So, quotes University. she Because years. If same a you an have young have thought HEBER C. SNELL and OCTOBER wonders which she She isn‘t," that life and believe says, "My goes I of is any HS : with further That is all whatever from me my in I parties. teaching, class, came up with with Herwarmuandwsaid,f simply when emotion. you have She my NI I to some Horne’'s book. quote quoted going must it it a in my anyway. aleng be to with this continuation continue’ te istudy ' and like to continue to teach of teaching. and Do you no interest have that? do, is else. woman a woman so has tol I hear One considering her to she want: on to in there Then she from in profession anything students. quote answer, would want and universe, about--there thoughts world that alone chance that me ideas. I a Snell,. your tell believe, get an other their great I wifiyen you is else. to any friends she the get be describe taken, talking learn--that to 1973 on. when them life continue to of did are thilsh so something never you and on Yeoulsaidyenecey,wDr. idea going pragmatic thinking wrote I is sometimes This Darn, D= live, in length. there can and says book. if 18, I have from I teach. so them book leve had experiences on thisi been of 44 many in fine They Ogden degree the who 0ld kind reactions have where had It it. as wasn’t And a given I was taken Testament book.! studying this have still. remember a master’s I you teacher, my under just know, you HEBER C. SNELL wonder where you could get anything OCTOBER 18, 1973 superior or even equalssteoliErNtorthem: D Do HS}H: Welds, you do & $am course; D You any Yes, I or to in the class. the a this-- in mychusecht SN e bet. priesthood I was class quorum? You "As man is," I said, and so man is," know would like I The Book and I of Cove- and Doctrine in believe we it on--you "Well, I believe this. to the crystallized and the and Mormon Sunday. because "As that, Snow that, of last aroused Lorenzo and there saying as Smith Covenants and Doctrine though got opposition in nants on and Book The quote me immediately up got I it. teaching man, a saying that into I once was mentioned have Joseph quoted God “£rom priesthood ago You before. once that weeks teacher Seut active attend Three now? wouldn’t still mentioned St Sshut they are teaching this in Mormon the class." they "God were. and Doctrine says that. Mormon was the is the same Covenants Well, theology teacher, told yesterday, and who thinks nobody can quite went on said. 45 to talk, just them and today that says tell could man this and I notes. my get I if are passages, quoted I So The he equal where you they where forever." Book knows him ignoring of all in what The Mormon about it, who I had HEBER C. SNELL OCTOBER Well, the I am--this presiding pretty came good to door apologized. in and said, You genuine foot, seem to you know, have been The Book way other said all in once and that, said Because I and®liile’ abeoutt am of of He just us might. a teacher and invited him We had a argument, and T concerned," faith. can’t get I know that put Would and off you I say in Fast up he was on the consider was far as knew that the I "I myself, iEz" 46 like I would became don’t that as ashamed this. the things believe to gospel know these that those of any or Meeting prophet, a can I was WL Fmuch how positively about immediately to ikneow is that life say can’t don E Smith Joseph I can do. but my any man I that people things, these a Mormon--I of I be away sitting. friendly apology. as else true, are things as blocks I after to this and are a him, door you this, but anywhere it say the atiithMbutMi ot believe, I have. at think happens four 1973 faith? of Mmant Ve SHTSNC mia home where his who advised own far enough--I class, had there as in man a yourself IS it big the his right ends was mine, fargumentyabout really BB of stood sat "This wrong of from He he Littile officer friend my man 18, Why I go. true of in and myself. get up HEBER FB: C. SNELL Why is mix faith HSE: it that and Well, I'have Then, of a life me; I have of but come." Sure, is will be novels, a me little to all "We or and you--how so on. Snell, have belief, you to handled is belief. have first complete This trying I and to reconcile all, and faith don’t of of trust what I thought know them to means that belief as and quite am about and scientists help the As of are 47 the come? to says ocean forever." gone stuff it. Wild Jack on to no matter in that You how to is that generation generation say, scientists our generation then say there the bubbles kind whether life, help the like about see, with. over human especially You all. at to truth the anything study to afraid not indicate, to tried I have as truth; can happen that a into craving, can you are as merely I it to while believe ists over the you "Well, what goes universe, the meaning any Brother 1973 separate. find about do faith about truth to How not a great the order is this, quite I have tendency, of although different, in it much knowledge, God, thought done know that commitment, all to have 18, life? course, of to we knowledge? your in that OCTOBER but come, Some day it of his appear for one can’t many make novel- HEBER FB: HSE C. SNELL What gives you that? hope it is not the Is the Welll,s S find " something a it across run a scientist, your personal life after But death. I if quotation from a suppose, I had, in the saysi, "To believed he but for somewhere, a who even them of many see, of Bible, the in have and God; in believing time you =religion, Jews, any I readily, in on that Let’s there. something immortality, the in believe it was who Pasteur, hard I find and here out comes can course although didn’t time, long advocate Testament, 0ld the in of And immortality. that book any’ books most feeling 1973 instance? for ‘in 18, the find you Testament, 0ld of because simply Do case? study course, it OCTOBER Infiniter that very much; life. Now, goes body? FB: If die your in how to the becomes I world hypothesis if this will can people think is bear true. out. just He uses I like of greatness the sometimes 48 which 1life, you says, He life." life," because that something of nothing remember see of "grandeur nobility the and out mortal could the expression, of grandeur the is couldn’t he Infinite. the it called of source the is "This he forever; on goes there that thought this from away get But God." means this suppose I people some He "‘Infinite. the callist the what Thilsifi's it just down your that lay wishing that I HEBER C. SNELL FSE: I know Dl RGN HSE No, I am that to said, e them? this You DL: Well, I Testament. I was had a of that That is wout yourself?" are What EISE: I have never as a youngster, Is The never have FB: of it the questions been I have day I said this satisfaction that talk to what any would of the you ask able or maybe Joseph Smith oxr read by origin about? 49 and or it, read George Book The Mormon? enjoy and first, enjoy of read, have I book him. Book it that write you ask The on Mormon the T us, Dald S yeutsreallilyacge did would to to be could of three the Joseph of first among of prophets him? 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As earliest I was you I the woods in a or five neck it a one I could I time be of origin that to because about the me beautiful think that WEl lan was bothers I and was netd of it, to of The me--well, a youngster. tellingh it religious a recall Creer I very teacher in church two ery from religion the class when can tell elders--I Joseph took in the of I Hughes--in it the woods times I or streets And my but get as Spanish I been 50 out and did, at in the was a all. get I that one a they other hunting whole trying just to get afternoon farm, wilderness, I their if while all father’s able bore Sunday spent anything and he So on since--not haven’'t go seriously. on nothing night, could Smith, didn’t of one anybody a testimony. and honestly--and they how to it. I Joseph playing number some story and and said like of are thing the a John and acres testimony all preached for There seem 1973 lived. Well, were is was names, testimonies wanted. I doesn’t as this about sixteen testimony of youngster about where more, youstichis a They kids it time. their Fork thing believed iRt and There one It wondered veracity Book I really. I have more the largely. book, coming question style 18, to have way, of once four get a tried but these HEBER C. SNELL OCTOBER testimonies say., it that wheniISiwent tiNelNlReTS in I wiilils went been as head of the Northern months all I met than I did, that I will tell men a "After you people to three I them. to verse of the eight them I to had I now, kind. of it the manuscripts mis- was, more study. one day story said, "Come always we have must a showed me the Bible, of time the and Gospel have much little man He take it." man course, This of and he and of "This out so a manuscripts won’'t the myself, my scholar. I mission in him Northern of knew Of you." chapter 5i my to faced tracting, one these up I eventually, called get telling which know last that Bible headquarters testimony there great the of don’t a nineteen in, ended a that of only secretary get with talk me then I one. out I was thought, headquarters. thinking was and scholar, one to out put as still was the was was about door at they realized Greek are pointing I opportunity of picture name some Mission stay It I want an embraced There like would to there women elder. a Mormon I I and screen a through been as I T¢ States Eventually time work. missien and out this wonderful in. truth there." conference, But, as invited Conference. And ‘out’ a student, the thirty-one sion. one I was quite Illinois is the ‘on+a’ .get to Chicago. had is 1973 {is: Ehenti when Mormonism 18, to he said, of Mark, nothing." He HEBER C. SNELL said, "This door," that by OCTOBER (I passage was and else. so Here I had been Bible at be in the to put it in, myself as I walked can know or I a read the not right to I said street, the something so that over on I me Greek, from 1O M e 1= S 105 1% learn to no had Greek learned and Greek of University at the and Mark Greek in course took but should it down class his them the--" Mark. of ERSBEVIU, Sl aloouER I took there, along somewhere the Mark, as that learn chance a got I Chamberliahiin S o WEsNEiamESHSE and as soon As not." by maybe putting is man this at follow late place, I will life my me 1973 A.) Gospel that from away as somebody the to that shall and that to written Side One Maybe all. not possibly Tape spares whether on, quoting signs "was quoting added Lord the on.) of been "These Later (End "If have quoting, believe," someone you 18, Chicago. I thought I might, up. I met but I got waked thewporch Mormon. She met said a 'daring she out went I testimony. a have I was young lady to invite was a 52 when there as been hadn’t I and this full a one teacher day in me in I a was in the I came since it, get to believer. the few believer. able who a had I I and Greek in Well, truth. to similar Boy, field. mission the me told somewhat experiences didn’t man this that found John of gospels I I But out on was Presbyterian a HEBER C. SNELL Chmrchi OCTOBER jandiiwe argument. "Here on am and tell FB: HB: about winds me the else. a his my office. like will go your pay had nothing. canvass for I dene I am friendly I thought, servant girl you a just half of God takes me of--let me prompted relative you join way." Of I All to go could one of, in lot Well, I thought not the least So you to you what I ended up, study is make thing order over and interested in this I had 53 to tell He Lake. Fred "I would because which I am I wanted to I have BYU. the thought, I and trying did I that. this study through him doing." tempting what I at through, are get down saying, another, and to Salt was that money, come am a overnight an medicine, you after wife, of plenty like in anything first spent doctors course and a it." me see my had we when he and of who show to Then and couldn’t would "I school to books in that once like quite interested tell oculist an name. his come and line, mere I outstanding the to you from said, I would was Stauffer up. this yes. office his He of one was right things were, Lake, to home. at me authorized could of chance Salt me invited little study. they in an and I kinds Absolutely doctor a wound be this talk, 1973 more. one had to up." lifetime I little just supposed are a a girl all you These into That I knowing had 18, "My just to gosh, not study HEBER C. SNELL OCTOBER something else. money, I never that but wouldn’t Well, were man had choir leader, just We went I called we that the the and I Boy, of There boys up. I was where there us headquarters us. We had all his tried him and my Utah, so Henry brought in Reverend was board as will be that man was met name this but I companion, a Chamberlain, up down his a there, you He our life. "So-and-so." was we were able to and before what He said, So you." with we everything quote could just first He in. invited talk The washing. wife’s his doing went what someone today?" addressed we met Reverend at night that dinner, met all person because now. recall man it his all. experience of on after, went Bible. Well "Well, at about to he and quoted, happy 1973 way. him the through able visited on again. went be perfect and again "Come ten young by me tying southern a scrubbing was of gone been mission all sweet and have was the from know, in at we beautifully time who should don’t--but have mission eight minister--I little my reverend probably could satisfied to staying I would have back a certain still And 18, said, to us, Reverend Chambers "Well, and I let Chambers." today, 54 and Henry That we ran He answer. is the him name. up ate along get you did how we when headquarters the a said, "We tree, HEBER C. but SNELL we know of OCTOBER went this up first." little humor. That I will companion was never of really forget mine the had that. such case. 18, 1973 I didn’t a good Boy, I sense started to study! We one I 0ld had a book especially fails. I have ERR wa S two in remember Testament. AR or Is was that known that abouit hep the by it? book headquarters Smith, There all aboutiailtilaithils this, and still director up years. The I was doing, and just He the Falls teach the way three take you on me off completely. what a week a please. little So we asked up to Idaho bit had from a good 55 fact then me and I I things to them will say of go to I would time and joked all remember, the of We men. of I nine supervisor period Falls, for talk if Idaho. abeut some In learning time it I became stayed a progressive the fands Well, made certain southern were I read beoks about was of men I doing. who a for and the memory Anyway, church. men going Those up and up came seminary us. I was Bennion, Lynn once came Got my finds bothered West along of met, and SweulldNiliiike St ol lcnew where Dr. in ST the Pocatello, schools, Idaho in and Dr. and at on We imanuseripts JWESeMNT Bt rilediton Council believed church the High let He this. here life. Wdi fe rents f I stayed How again, my entEnancedimeriisEhoughtiicoliliy, mene library the taught They could world, that if class HEBER C. SNELL of OCTOBER seminary director men of the Then, want to. to I of when stay. felt southern institute in my wife Dr. first West quite lonely ali Wand Sisusttelt ']l ike that I with the music; result You EHSE Yes. Joseph were getting RIS Wilford, go we had I that good a book. He said, given me more he went to the asked around other me to could stay had looked she if I didn’t I wanted T ‘coulldn’t\ stay. »So him he here singer, sent five me years up "Well..." down I would I ‘told to get Logan fired. well. to Dr. He never Richards. He corrected and me I on alEhel ) alie? by was in "Why trouble my telling write it the that thing do world you do down there in Salt book under his arm about it. in 56 the he He first liked up came to in my that? That Lake." from it place, and objected Isaiah" "Second a putting West Dr. quarter. only The talk. with the of end the supposed was I and quarter, winter the in was This longer." any Snell "You said, and up phoned Fielding man doing was 1945, and said, the at out to in a pianist very in 1949-50, year I a good along that have can’t still our phoned Joseph yes. was Logan? from bicehael s Wt Al 1tgulE) me was in I after and Fielding He anything. move that fired were FB: FB: to she died, and our while 1973 Pocatello. told singing, wanted Idaho 18, one has Because office himself, he my on book HEBER C. SNELL OCTOBER ancient Israel. write the history probably I FB: you been Bl its couldn’t If I just whom and you I are, oh, bound ple, and faith a threat so. that it? That, the question? speculate press High Do them? those Council, there Are uncomfort- are who have you have Some of any view. offended are simply they I when Mormonism that convinced that case. are the They peo- such questions someone is escape. can’t there think them it. It them. Ehamic S a to in." would Fielding. the is that think that to to about Is I profoundly thinking FB: with disagree it need always, was Isaiah." would mentioned around who him ask you Joseph brother so. they You put to the not leave Isaiah," what could "Second I going feel I 1973 that? another I to and why "First were West, the is Snell, disagree? tolerate HS: him seem who down that you Dr. others only are it Dale, people so and Is called about one out, of think Yes, upsets DL: him mentioned thoughts FSE out, they with able prophet people kinds those Dr. greatest right. with "Well Israel just why said, ancient wondered, about I of leave had all And 18, them viewpoint the Is personally? universe ishate 57 because and it life? it that upsets they their cannot whole HEBER DL: C. SNELL You know, in a OCTOBER I was novel termyt I think, in by That’s ST Yes, the more sion. more sense he when which "alill I read the man uses of an dssue."™ 'sides) an sees of a passage understanding, all these I see where out of it order Do you we at this T perhaps possibilities. our will, these have to try to live to get we if we woerld, can maintain big, is sense, analyze any out of and it happiness words. other all with rest any get in our Order various touch in to try describ- a In baby. the confu- it says so stand get We world. one that And, the just identification, close all knowledge must church? not church, once get that think the this He sides. for blooming to think all. with baby a we If of fields buzzing, expressed confusion have. we big all from in buzzing all to a of all, at is content what claims, it mind coming is you in gets James the with person William blooming, FB: O’Neill think stimuli it the one I that a you 1973 interesting. in ing Eugene about amScursed s teWseel learning, FB: thinking 18, and remain I Mormons. some be one can But commitment intelligently association close could this guess have a and skeptical any almost maintain faith, about a if many claims? You have. For know, all apparently, these years you 58 for of most taught in the your life institute, you or HEBER C. SNELL ever OCTOBER since you competition EiSH= plainly could either faced the we church certainly will." Next and Doctrine of shall priesthood "This never again offer do Levi said, that, open was Covenants I in I So, true. occasion- I an be done offering brought in studying this? I think Do the no, "Why, and this at who about never the institute the at desk my on what teach doesn’t morning "Well, on. so and today?" it believe said, They Testament. 0l1d animals of sacrifice the of question this I else. occasionally. students, my told I example: an is as out we that believed we because trouble into me things those them, faced I the allegiance everything that them of gospel The above have this? do to 1973 things. these Here balance figure or aside brought ally up couldn’t what is you things some I them demands view. of you the truth that left This did values see true. not were and point this mission, possible is it I believe, preach, your How said. took I Well, off scholarship think you Do out? of others what to came 18, passage: until away Lord the unto sons the in righteousness." for me me. I because, put Richards Dr. see, to went of on. put I course, that and Doctrine that passage. wouldn’t is it 59 Well, teach simply Covenants it didn’'t there faze that to any class out of the ques- HEBER C. SNELL tion. OCTOBER This church sacrifice even re-institute some HR- Is of faith ESE: a of rational just make. SayNiiErEN b truthful person. DL: But you the peintsrEhat No. I really Do of you needed think those through L of wisdom, that Of could course, go. conflict of I SEhe only are convinced suppose, you SagadinsE R e to practieal can R up. the fail el it bring of to a e Is that to myself accuse too saying have much, certain a of sometimes saying of amount more lacking than I to. if issues the you have got have could I and it let the animal Hisicontinueously-=2 you think it. to to dsi If ge necessarily don’t HiE well. ol N mus =it No. wisdom, can very HSH: do got response than 1973 inquiry? that can’t more have response you any couldn’t hinlk Voulcanttdeny sa e St you to, institute just Ehbi nk S sor S Tt you possibly pragmatic B DL: It el truth, S not wanted things sort and it polygamy. these that if could 18, you had that throttled you department? (Glele 60 might back have somewhat continued on on some out HEBER Dl C. SNELL Looking you back, have avail OCTOBER now, As DL: You FB: Compromised? EShs Compromised. DL: Compromised, EISE: Because I see hope you I of 1912}7 I has ESE: So, he and talk have with done I the that, opportunity hope of wouldn’t hindsight that do you staying think, to on? have. have-- got it. to I face have to them in you the up my a I little book. It was don’t know experience personally. that last He time He ordered being had we all it were or one and him visit to book. the quite and used by seminaries. down me truth, Smith, mentioned invited over mark the had Fielding men remember I there 1973 see. Joseph some the wouldn’t avoid seminary were you of now, one to with it you would yourself ST how if 18, here. others two interleaved, gone number that threughMiitNcanrefuitlty: FB: Yes, Sk Did you told tell I that. about about you year folllowedhinal FB: us or a meeting two, I of quite believe it a was, latex? Yie stehnWATNNId Esee? FISk: No, FB: Yes, Widtsoe didn’t was he in say this at meeting. that Snell?" 61 time, "God bless you Brother HEBER HS: C. SNELL Yes, he OCTOBER did. shoulders. you, He Never (unclear) he must not by what I Did you have was been to which offended, but at I was what any I throw the whole never did, you know. always felt committed? his he said, hands was 1973 on "God indicated opposing had time, put it, Snell," saying. of me, forget Brother ever, wanted behind could interpretations FB: came 18, to Joseph bless me probably my that pleased Fielding’s written. get a thing Eecilbingithatiyoumsiusts up and forget about the churech® ESE: No.I FB: You HS: Yes, PD: Why? Sk Well, I did. T I never guess had-- it is coulidntENdoiEN because I believe feillt N Ehat S ivhad¥al Where would know, the any I would doubt love of! world Maybe of that, in the Do you contribution to man’s it what your say that it has contributed the but see of not Mormon there is say people are character Hithallilvistthat 62 mental they of, you made understanding out I dare HiE: having point perceptions to welfare, a fine among think I fandieven context see and o Nd o could I can "Thelpity Mormonism had® religion? welfare. them. ittt you rather physical I put substantial God? EISH: you God, jlebtorde), IENIEEC cedNerEiEhciismfandMseje e Bilon, I HBE in of are. man’s because I people. them, they a have lot to HEBER C. SNELL believe have OCTOBER what a every mind of themselves. prove he This be claim we at FB: it a object to something a fib it, anything it other than Yes, I FB: What, EISE: HelElvEieons e ffortshitobliock We have very it is some a done fairly lots of time number of things me to don’'t a we to for says and free that church. It which we have it don’t get up and ageney. practice I body believe. afiter say ILf it it. welfare like in and know what of flesh I believe I of our man? Can theology. think, memory I could agree on with about our I do to and in 63 That bone. God as as a think other our out I If quite theology. belief very person, is that but point too know points. of is I any I don’t number a oh, needy. and churches, other of andithe that, tell. I can and, that for well, as good thelpoor plan As far so like I that had has the and in that efforts charity thing who he freedom anybody just things well. it doing is about I thinking in this agency, comprehensive one a can’t instance? for much they else? anything 1515 church had doesn’t see see little see believes you can to we for church in like free just Mormon would claim It believe do if We does and and church have. the Is I great that says, 1973 wrong. what is prophet own can’t is is a all. their They that would supposed 18, a God hard for in but it is HEBER C. SNELL not OCTOBER necessary which canl is to obvious God worship Him believe, a is in on FB: As literal HSH: Yes, as once ardently, a this Well, I is--I am and is I heard every kind little to be of me had and so body, have spirits which think, that the worship It to 'as is believe Bibile Him hard must for in me to the "first these things I believed all to of become it has on that for kind until you myself are time think many they maintain there people why we conference. I go this Mormon the to about, I wonder something I awful. think and culture Mormon skeptical been alone. now--I same the are do that. me. different and and prophets the and I note, wish say sometimes 64 how of all somebody prophecy. if you I think hope the other something with testimony bearing annoys checked, out with days three for come the to listened talk would apostles for fleshly because-- stuff usual hard I have at always someone truth. think is That Well, in that to commitment it any happening. speaking Maybe and T a account. but that, church. we spirit and as 1973 happening? don’'t through that "bedy:. very literal about belief the spirit this personality our a really vision" HSE in texistiSeontsi'de teaches, FB: define 18, that than wonderful the the thilsEGeliliy S thi's would Revelation check it a introduce by has got evidence, HEBER C. SNELL by reason, do this, got to It you what grant or so there. you President it and much on. not. He Boy, I 18, have a right You this Lee right. 1973 "You to have says as a prophet He is in contact knows. can’t take that kind of all. at seems to attitude a have don’t like God," that they believe thing DL: don’t and whether with you OCTOBER me in the when Joseph prophet is early church argued only with a there the prophet was people when a different from he is Michigan acting as prophetic. Do such. HSE: Yes. FB: Admitting I Smith without said. But, the interest He really council, Smith did, FB: Pelatiah Brown? EISE: Peletiah Brown, that him he and was still yes. broad leave Leave him alone. to in 65 the let of. high the Joseph that-- Which somebody church. in where incident alone things told He man he president the old enough him the West, Far the leave to said in know, you fine some agency. all believing was he Joseph for respect of did, that having mentioned. you more and free for stood be uncomfortable be length whole church not that and said or the of would more the going he might addresses I get would. he think he Smith Joseph conference the heard sometimes that think you S that You indicates disagree can’t do with that HEBER C. SNELL now; you John Fitzgerald try ent idea the Negro. of OCTOBER of mine, it, you out. the I know right there didn’t answer his now. Oh, of and the else. letter it Absolutely, place Nothing and try last because he and the Fitzgerald and from That Negro John him, see. I esteem is is I wants letter. He kind of you each let me give about a good him. to put a differ- doctrine today, incidentally, 1973 what had him is 18, friend have got a know why I a lonely a man copy of thaisE (End of Tape One Side B) d de d de de de de g de de dod ok ok de ke FISE: I was of in a Grant great Ivins and this much, and I She was so writes FB: Juanita Brooks? HSH: Juanita Brooks. DL: MEE] HSE: There H. M. and us, at were who think it Fitzgerald. does DL Do HSt: Yes, have have you worth. I company bought Anyway, was in the southern think all that it we sat right had to company Utah that along with is along sat and a great with variety. have someone us; of we Anyway, can’t else, listened sermon, to but John he you. copies? of ten he and Negro; those enough I from there least some--take it. never-- a don’t do woman Fleming, was. I to is them--no, selling 66 these I mean, because five he dollars needs to, HEBER C. I SNELL guess. OCTOBER I think FB: He HSE Yes, yes, been teaching, just of he the a been I have to on. It is that a point Lowell Bennion HSE: Lowell was at fellowshipped, any on more his and see as chaplain is a times. Stayed golly, just good he like is the of the this, way it they and to a book, and going is deal with so a mean eventually, but now, right going is believe I Ivins defense own a his quite makes it sent at read Grant and one I was it John’s and trial. to as mean people everything. first then He has there been By his Why, read. in has three and sent not years wife. of him, for a quite had or He out. account know people agree FB: write them teaching. church. doesn’t him that man his he trial may It turning don’t all something more and knew put his of point. turning two McMurrin were this home there Sterling account Boy, and his nineteen his whole read be the for because the with the they letters maybe of hundred teaching? for two and why, request. more three know, in or man, prophets, through believe, you night good these or from institution. have letter two he, got I army, I didn’t just that there a retired of man. had 1973 (unclear) printed. head he 18, trial. warned so bit on. 67 in You too. there see, up, to shut Of course, he was keep John first dis- still, not couldn’t do HEBER C. SNELL that. He they have have the OCTOBER is not another whole DL: How does he FSE: Did you read Tribune DL: The HSE- Yes, account now his didn’t ol He FB: Yes, those HS: John sent Ray Logan the in is him the who me this here to Hyde, the Neither do near Provo. So, I proceeding? October he at 7th feels, the name, Salt and end but of did wasn’t public today read press with to is I I the don’t know a you. Lake he is just conference, you notice he to Uniyversityof I Utah would Marriott put him them 68 Heber, I Western Library." up here. the think T He from from heard of Carterville now I told "Please den“E is it would will place the at Americana I take enclosed never from church. will that. either, years I apeollli Meiling fifty the note. writes happens. in attack little that Carl what letters and papers see to "Dear know to he? siidesiof guy Jay "Twenty-five interesting to whole way this by the he him. wanted then excommunicated. the dissenters, use and my and Mormonism? mentioned here, be on, it. prEeSentirepresentsYoppesitel know is goes g after time he ‘toMit? HiSy: the of mention was he about that Lee referred of So 1973 Carrier? Well, President way. and article "Watergates" Yes. that trial, feel and gerngion® FB: built 18, him return if he the HEBER C. SNELL OCTOBER clipping John." and You That said FB: Yes, I HS: Did you P Not* yet. FISE Oh, it got your may with a a day Well, I or two, didn’'t. the of accept ever- the to Joe "Profit" Someone prophet. of name the got he how was clinging "I enjoyed can’t just p-r-o-f-i-t, "profit", that have members that mythology, while facts ignorant. I Carrier. seems Mormon face nor p-r-o-f-i-t." misspelled --just in perfectly just it yet of church, that EISE: you letter. Common the from gospel ‘as that anything wouldn’t you "It side. other the on bad on bad as just is that me to seems Hyde’s thing, article, truth It from it-- read address commercial FB: seen ignorant an changing hear it? read Smith, have to 1973 it-- read every the Hope you if is your is note. 18, side. the other has nothing make a profit his fanatical to do which on," lie. FB: MEE HSE "...ripped to up have kept it will be a ism. (unclear) FB: This is a HSH: Yes, to Johm up. cure make money Keep up and the every for M-e-i-l-i-n-g note written Fitzgerald. John to Yes, 69 work good and disease, ..." Fitzgerald? this is it. in even disciples time there Mormon- HEBER C. SNELL OCTOBER FB: Yes, BSE: Welllvi TRdenfitNbelsieve these men 1EMlecksy are failed maybe say to prefer had been I just have Itike to respects theschureht I so on. are I we think very half in my met had was home my I much the is is now president California. He his own and university contributions books, church. I in many better than a as which I in scholar. have read. 70 and He on he Dr. and a he vaca- came and and my work with a number of men that same time, very good men. I believe of who little a president the with: Provo, him my enjoyed he because it in with he lifetime, friendly Caldwell became resigned and Dr. my home went contact at in Chicago, how and, men become in in once close such I have man to they myself, church people, would that true good good many summer. his ear so whom a scholarly Chicago a have I believe one think they something the have I think can’t have we people, instance in of of I of was alive in I some Another down believe. have have very still than for whispered to--well, rather I there tion. days truth that all. I the to at men. earliest up it-- stuff good 1973 Hisk professors, taught that their a good Because Goodspeed be know from that. and you all to believe say ‘Well, in trying brought can’t it. 18, south is the of institution University the to wanted somewhere author is of go down and make a number HEBER C. SNELL OCTOBER While class, heard form at he that the was him he at say and I Here was teristic in of one Gospel. his 1 either this talked with him They down I went these pretty being under men as to on him you close them could in That you This can’t see the class, I anywhere. knew? 7L he and Judging felt you know. that Shirley charache says and the never got down Sea he the head of name of Sea Scrolls was sick he from they those were Jackson bed. sorry had I So, on. so and in very was in Scrolls was remember and over me where and phone, the "You was Dead came said, I I look I what and Dead him, and Jesus when the I see is phone place is Phils a Greek outstanding other, contacts. find humble some the on are." that the showing you 1973 teok out He and the up go or it on i right. was that another. DI was him to believe invite couldn’t he that try to with talked to want humility. in down called I were there Chilcage), right man university. incidentally I that back. church that. books, them fragments, I his of California. I I am the was in "I believed loaned one I who Jesus of if ‘that' Well, a man when said, see baekMiand®recorded me." place once missed. lexicon overwhelm my 18, men as Case by good was HEBER HS:- C. SNELL Oh, yes, said OCTOBER I took once to him, hereafter?" DL: going. He hardly had the way [At this I was a time Mrs. much to Roberts? those the if men kinds so, of Well, I prize very leg. I lobby big will one the day cushions to had book loved well I saw I the we were I have busy you That and and asked little have is had with B. and I happened I man." his books his with to 72 in sit remember contact with view about? which He the time a into the up had on one wanted game about Utah those here to, mission of you I was Hotel golly, book on And Roberts. the few those? H. "By his this you interview leg I had and introduced me at thought, this do talking about a continued.] different been one with room; personal the him talk or about Persecutions went a the interview any Utah, that. of the Widtsoe, have I that. with must so (Laughter) into reflections that like some I to ycu and Missouri it. have Hotel talk read So very much at you that tell and with your remember chance I are it." about where been came do seemed things what staying Did that have privately. believe concerned I Snell Did H. bit him 1973 off. exchanged have to really about were you you think me talked Snell, to point, do little "Mr. put and "What said, he class pleasantries B. HS: his 18, is my know. field; his Nauvoo and man. myself, and he down the couch on treated by me him. HEBER C. SNELL After you OCTOBER we exchanged feel that about was Mr. I influenced DL: The EISE Yes. I don’t our of sort plan, DL: And HSH: and a view of and P?" that, to the him, 0ld He and I "How Testament said, have do "Well, been quite he "Well, one what said, do of what the they but it about was this accounts call it? A clearly idea in that of creation floor plan is or-- blueprint-- spiritual-StheMotheriiisilcarryinag simply can’t house be you are inimy “essays I these [plans] the all that Blueprint, a remember it EISH: said hypothesis. has Blueprints. D, I 1973 it." said, FB: E, studied I of a J, that. church talk scholarly have by little by documentary favor al the written Snell, a 18, true because supposed call has to e they follow attention man Eto created other one afterward; two accounts ouER U N He agree. the plan." the videa before that and don’t s aHid A is the a To 0Of that other clear URh At build course, one life of and contradic- ey FB: Are these ESH: Yes, in DI If it wayskiEas in the Bible? "Genesis." was the ISPE spiritual and Creat Sion ' 73 the physical, isn’t that the HEBER HS C. SNELL OCTOBER Well, that then, I is don’t discussed BB Roberts took HSE: in HSh: He K. was most most of any Finally course, remembered EISE: Well, is some written wonder he if by church never it. one On know seen it At least, he he what I when he life had his of over When books. impressed me Newell in Snow told me him a on was again, deeply at visited me gave live to institute didn’t he seminary Newell Roberts. said, disagreed years, and that Young? taught thirteen occasion also he the friends, with he But taught for this Newell he impression--he the it to you although good it Because why. all the a sick say Roberts the impreswouldn’t he told Young enough me that so it. of Newell, about have somewhere. also very from but sion--that I me gave this, taught acquainted times. said family life. of I tell happen his "I he you I will theology, was DL: and their once, now. of scholarship. Wes, were attitude influenced of We bed, is quite Young College. of be the I the 1973 reading. to the where number what Young--did Ephraim, that, it did.f in with have know seriously Newell No. was seemed ¥eopsyesahe FB: the--that 18, he course said to caused didn’t me. sion. 74 He him know had difficulties? much that about distinct it. That impres- I HEBER DL: C. SNELL He felt OCTOBER disappointed Pruth S andNPheWiife HSE: Ohy, DL: It that the fnevier big 'did come work, out 18, The in 1973 Way, The of that print. Mdaldniititi-R never were did. As collected never came dence I was to B. FB: Where is DIk I presume Joseph goes, all Fielding well, it and the come copies put from was away, some some First disappointed did the and understand Roberts never it I that, deeply opus story light. H. really magnum by read between the and correspon- correspondence Presidency and it hurt that that the the story he great out. now? in some why his is That somewhere. safe that goes. wonder HSHE: I Pz All come never and is think HS': I Dl Well, to Truman a I and never work don’t know asked him and at, came. we So publish who on then has been Roberts The why. is hope to have it is the design there suspicion. 75 to keep it out really--now mystery. is last finished, It don’t has question, that form. I it. and Barrett, Madsen in manuscript looked it I and E. The years. press, is it and there that ten Madsen, being away," right that is it Barrett to "Well, said, he William the off talked I to for that on working time E. William and that get didn’t went materials those from family back too. HEBER FB: C. I SNELL guess don’t to this like have very off and man that HSi: neat to think, to do thing out in think never of packages. they like it been that 1973 Institutions threatened. and I have Snell, kind of personally, They like Loose ends snip them to is the glory of to fully do able stricture, students, and a member church, for example? Well, if could have I had the institu- where. Max better off you the things Well, I not would you of of been no have have all a church, know I don’t these I for things of a member church, this of no certainly any have I would whether been done member or teach, maybe the Midwest in had have had you been some- seminary been would have a good theologi- the to freedom restricted do How in. that? correct be might but that you felt to theological would you you some to gone respond Max at feels where that think to about you member been had having seminary you that another a on. Rogers cal would had you teach. to that things of been gone that learning church, wanted and neat. Brother the teaching Say, tidy curtailed, moving problem. stability and be the keeps students B their institutions yourself EISH: institutional 18, stricture. you and an have much It able to keep tional Do is things are that. DL: OCTOBER I have 76 been on that. shut I think out of so. it, I of HEBER C. SNELL course, age. especially I might another up in year word to that time. Read would, on I or So I been You did. my best had good He like fired on, I I say, year." have I got would it, He so has from had we for good this The with sent from classroom, reports more I year my about have than of your you once, University teaching experiences a to old getting and in like my I am to 1973 university quit, down would done I quit come there. ground to of the "Golly, when 18, think at thought, wanted "We to think, eighty-three that and I but was Read Students wasn’'t gone two, I Dr. another since have years." work. DL: OCTOBER stay and Utah so has anything. your students there just as well. Sk Yes, I Dk Was that HiSE: Oh, both. did. another Testament New spend I would on taught one year the on Testament? 0ld or and Testament 0ld did I way the is That New. the you after year year. FB: you Have ESi: done with you holding all. Just I do at said in at the all so thing. a haven’t No, get scriptures or Bahagavad-Gita, one much beginning, this. Just line writing In of can’t you that going got to won’t do to is there fact, the or Koran, groups? other I have il the say, in, studying any done on. That have stop much to surround it so is why another Sy eUES I as life to e OE HEBER C. SNELL rance. to OCTOBER Really, learn, and honestly, know I FB: You I The am know, concept HS: Yiesh FB: His no you of of HS: peseE FB: And, that HSE: Yes, I FB: That is like don’t a person know know very very only way good now. talked that much. much, I can about has do with just started am talking I and I would it now is John 1973 like to go on to Dewey and his that the growth. metaphor object I don’t more. because I feel 18, of growth, growth the is end and more of how he concluded growth. education is more education. know. the only end that But did John you can say is the end of education. Sk That is life after FB: No. HS% Well, I of FB: would that the ends at I think it was on. true. death, have is do to my you say Dewey that in a he did. personal know? no, I impression, pragmatists believe don’t that more or think he didn’t. less He believed was one that life and that society goes death. he felt enough Society that for goes it him. on from was a You know, the 78 social continuity that people one that are in it, but HEBER EHSE C. SNELL I don’t it was Yet, HSE: He too he the much attention his interests. of man who wrote criticizing where he the head was gave outside Education, book, ek think Horne, of FB: OCTOBER needed of Dewey to, the The was to He Democratic all a it. the philosophy 1973 felt that Philosophy way believer 18, through in his immortality. department in New York University. FB: Ultimately, it comes Well, Bas trustiiEhe to B Lord the temple," kind EiSHs Well, that kind mind about of big,sand, tee to come going is no that, you to of that "The word It is in was I "And know, natural revelations Isaiah, know, experience. of the of a the different revelation. of I think communication never fragile believe can’t kinds you me," to too) it that You about? came and most might. other these talked have prophets of about What order. isi revelation the about talk you Now, that That: just I scientists many how matter to think to end. the in nothing funiverse. wonderful too glorious, down Ul quess!: thsngshstfaiith, ESH right His I words. very that. God; from because be, if that He kind that course of believe don’t tried I have stimulates the 7S mind it isn’t that to of verbal revelation, of It verbal. God explain puts what a prophet. in can man’s I think There is HEBER C. a SNELL OCTOBER stimulus himself there creates and and the response is puts together and some it 18, words 1973 that becomes man a verbal revelation. The of God not human In best a life, this just I His than But, I or spiritually not to I same and mind the by for prepared you So, extent. not may do claiming to get the of best kind Testament ones do comes best less or some men others are because and and mind, more be to mind, the of He revelation of revelation a through lives, human the has human act actions. that be an that. kind it God would knew that is great denying I it Himself that stimulate can He know that? I that through not if is reveals to am comes, out think, would I modified are the come about if human God persons, does God think the tinctured we know revelation through great think I do revelation God. speaking. more that view from through What know to word way, by that. way revelation, the person, best [eindNoESpreophet: DL: Oh FB: The 151S) Yes, to 0ld you respond most on brought us unless it to point? that HSE the of Which eighth I see makes Micah Hosea, Amos, think clearly men prophets. century they are that better. Isaiah. and the great religion This is 80 prophets isn’t worth essentially that much their message. HEBER C. SNELL Animal sacrifice people better. lot the of these astray Do see you bution HSE They this This value it make? at probably no were they makes good. And a prophets, really came 1973 it These against out complaint. in so favor Israel has of gone extent. If then to it good, anything do doesn’t is it morally, person better a our ritual this If so. said have I and in it see. I and ritual, contri- What ritual? that in all vitn person a that to justified unless rituals. And their vaille here. make to so. is any ritual helps is 18, way. does temple it prophets, say INseeMtEhEsh Yesh nothing ceremonials, century living. to itself, other ritual. moral amounts In eighth much FB: OCTOBER AHEREISREY DL: As contributes it the moral quality if of quality the person. FHISHs guish between Well, I suppose idea such as HSE: moral we kind idea. believing Morality carryiENon; of whenever that person to has N ous we in are. God, do it with relationships Of 81 course, and is you here life with can a necessarily not our moral? spiEituail fal has person a distin- think. spiritual between distinguish you How to want we necessary,I isn’t It two. the would B spiritual the and yes, Yes, others be and how and the spiritual. HEBER C. SNELL OCTOBER You can all this. DL: You remember HSE Very DL: I know. HSE I visited revere I God and suppose well. him institute that George George and Los I have Oh, DL: YiesPthiaisiiisEhkisNiliasteye ar: HSE: The last 1515& And B Yes. In ESy: Yes, wes. DL: I of Him and distinction. you? and he quite took me a bit. through the year. comment, be a is the don’t last (End gone to teaching from Long Beach to year. or define, time and personal," Does if of the Tape that and then mean went "I on anything to to property? personal means Two A.) 82 Side about how spiritual. the on said, he then you asked comment Beach. Long to USC Fred that question spiritual know had there. went He somewhat. that his Beach. long he then? describe paused him institute that him you that the there Long spiritual from will he was I this heard This asked Well I care Right. ST a in he? is DI on be believe 1973 Angeles. HSk: He and corresponded there, HeWisWretixing would Him don’t DL: take to might Boyd, down in pray 18, much. think the elaborate you, that HEBER HS C. I SNELL think gious a person thinking and about things. as Yes. HS: No, suppose any are frame different and to at all destroy the goodness, of if these this they there kind surely is any- two. can of--how You know that-- Dl You mean being obedient? FB: Yes, obedient. Spiritual S Oh, FB: Rilght put those is If you are told. as wouldn’t. samiFsuresyou synonyms at there But spiritu- obedience. to tantamount two are you it? a in spiritual see to I put that FB: time. the though, rather but all at other the all together ne. i although between reli- heaven, moral, doubt his and about 1973 exclusive. ehpy wouldn’t greatness I 18, in ideas morality. HSE: I rapture classify necessarily anything believe of His could tendency, a is you you not work would a kind immortality, wouldn’t one There God cleavage They they al not contribute the have personal I thing, FB: can about spiritual, would: BB OCTOBER Qs is a common Eollkliorer: HSH: there See, obeys you this is is wrong not a because simply some such someone somewhere, religion as thing at or all. 83 obedience, blind says punish you you must, some or way. when I will one do I think HEBER FB: HSE C. SNELL What for main necessary The and that. be way I HS: I faith mean I see as to we, in and any God you mean-- in hunt the to religion almost are to are the firm in faith in view of in like you life. and to This live is commitment stands for. have do God do what you to Real doesn’t to What the the our commit- real faith wants. think, measure by try to I can’t Love live see is put life, the the any of Him, spiritual it. it a what do you do? and unless and God created do is would trust try fulfill me. becomes advice to are He person to us say obligation as and there? truth, means What 1973 together. a a moral sacrifice who that sense, would believe willing make What Him we to live religion? thought two wants us in the is of your see what God to both .goyenifrem wants in try think He all EE live he Gan I must belief unless on religion of in I essence 18, parts? of would ment. HSE the truthful, belief, FB: is recognition You and By you essence God FB: OCTOBER He value creation. wants and truth truth; into our if us to we see that is what a action go necessary as in If mere and it, it belief life. It hypocrisy. would involved you in give to religious 84 two people studies? like Dale and me HEBER HS: C. I SNELL OCTOBER wouldn’t much as I wouldn’t the do truth. in I am every down in gets the that I about I at up the like problem. A tell can’'t it out other truths. something goes and along women one what with as as has the The other coherence, and the pher says, should a “*the is ‘test ‘of is in the is let us accepted by very he is, world he do says; truth. test. You along of applied when someone I try with whether coheres, say, the it best men coheres Correspondence, truth, test see if see correspondence. 85 bear of to which pragmatic be See, what goes it past; not. the tests if see been and and earth that in pragmatic the not truth?" great revelation, has truth that. with does coherence, is There he am on or know "How find everybody who They mind, works, it if see and One all. them men the three has philosopher are I man is I or a prophet only he as seeking I could and is whether on time Lee the just somehow I wish things is what seeimgiiENdtNacecordstwiith go present and my checking without and 1973 religion. just do, effect. in arises and to that this know to says These to life some know you except the on Lord to you truth, Conference of think want with mixed question know for what testimonies the they more because am would fervent maybe love way my I advice in word is because is General that--I you any That satisfied. and and have another. it advise 18, the claims philoso- to have HEBER C. SNELL OCTOBER the truth. you that "Oh, See San look the West idea if I Coast." it That is on EhEtnlcil=ha FHSH: Yielshs BB And in HS: Yes, I to working, can. You quite an you Francisco. say, It is correspondence. doesn’t teo correspond it. So, I religious you know on Your with the you can think claims tha e ande that any st and i reli- matintasmn religious of that, there. As long the have human behavior have we element the in part is its of a always that humans of lot a have there yet and as on a human is church may You extent. all and element human are everything. yiouRhaveRtohaveral=iindNofldiistanceMthere S Youlare suggesting HSH: those and truth communicants were of ERsyvcusNc ant d o you think religious and test Coast, tells institutions? institution in East the aceept Somebody commitment? religious Sers the San East him. 1973 revelations. gious DL: of on to is the check been can‘t applywalilvthree Yol it, is have detualssfacelisold FB: has Francisco here, that he 18, the that prophetic evaluate it you be can’t announcement in of terms mentioning. Exactly, exactly. 86 so overwhelmed that the you three or can’t things involved stand that back you HEBER DL C. SNELL Now, what we say about that speaking the under inspiration. to Sk mystical test the So, of inspiration the burden mystery truth, the can once, you you? I often than not, or not a prophet if you are under back to thrown was I up in a great big the a was in about Pryor climb up the is the person day, and one with a way what they mysticism. the and felt it, being a very desirable that. I don’t is not very know one one. it whether public. It I is 87 a about thing life, at as least was. I with the Now, reveals something see it was rock. It "By SR golly, talk I experience a1 C RO I like they universe." that SN could felt what is way that I thought, This far, and up, just I and there where too of top Wyoming, not I got up. remembered I absolute stilil much sister, where universe. Being it northern my warm, about. talk in the on was it my a house, way there dis too such in it it. as it, on call is Basin, big If know once Mountain lay I don’t visiting as rock, well there Horn of sort we it mountains sunny in very that Big and is this the that. with experienced day, nice was I of top I could that know know the in can’t experienced in up I was tol'do suppose We I and Way up then mystical. mysticism. It is is 1973 More whether INdeonUtNknowrquiteswhat a test? 18, decide. a FB: the OCTOBER just as Ne much. that is personal. HEBER D FB: C. SNELL It is OCTOBER private. It spiritual thing. So, is that is an the personal element in element 18, 1973 ey biTa N M religion, then. S Is ) this personal? EISE= Oh, a surely, praying God. a You feel You to when yes. the you born Horn the a prayer, up. great Maybe You if feel you are not to This is away by not. We carried or are closer experience. you Dale will with in the United years 1918 B ntNcblledNaMilioeNe HSk: Yes, it flu. She naturally an possibly be my And, had been got it. glad I days States, whole do out it. in family, guess when and you had with family was that? to then, two and Your about small the experience sick. Academy was did. once were afterward, This covered me tell I school, three. is probably you Yes, Big church in but your lifted this experience. Could Yes, was if feel in praying. prayer of as mentioned sick. Sometimes you emotions, enjoyed EISE: person, wonderful your FB: surely. I I was Cowley, three Wyoming, children. afterward. that principal great But flu a One I had epidemic believe, was in in bed with Europe, 1919. ENpecopilier. my wife waiting Every one 88 was down on people of the three who had had the that it flu. and I HEBER C. SNELL didn’t OCTOBER have it. People I was the so afraid were anything to even the store would went out after it. was that from the bad. it at the the the myself flu I others, for sleep Now, any have coughing, not the flu, Sepail and one. midst the I I a music saw that have bring, and you Wyoming. teacher, I was the It died just up symptoms of didn’t L theught, « "By: a beside put the on the down went I and I say. they to one not have the flu although it. I them this you well, "Oh, headache. 89 thought, I did got I know golly, lay I and Well, have the I just lying, up, after I as it, up, was was knees my on I suppose I never say, would had of looked symptoms. about it o’clock, I down got I I got symptoms." and Cowley, flu wife my where flu, real in bring to street, eight do." Him. to up people the After Lord to what know in others. wouldn’t in or I went the told and the right the something to these I do?" hour. was I can an of began all. what about symptom I seven have bed they had out on 1973 night. to the of foot I about right situation they Well, began don’t "I said, that teachers, and bed wife’s my my eaten golly, "By waiting happened when one it it academy. had we If This thing one of set of remember, I after house. One against only 18, I did other had I after is a had didn’t just because I was symptoms that miracle, of sleep. that is HEBER C. SNELL all," OCTOBER and I I have had tising it was have the all, and That is God could only one I ever had that the I they had elders were to you don’t discount EISE: No, I think these think want that things, heredity it to adver- that to me answer as an it has be I to say my meet certainly. more I valuable, person could know, the spirit think alive much so are Jnthe you of an in admirable that is Ve 1y: S Etlle M w kN (e that. thilsoccuEStoNmENe is and a religion? you I in religion. a that nineties. the do. certainly you and, of as of part in experiences. nothing such that told house happen, is necessary were aspect may there they those is miracles certain of things fact the your thkimis el Yes, do. feelings I this ways a as admire thing. any experiences. certainly of had about me a religious prayer middle into experiences than I tell go such heard more want your EISE: in profound, Well, never that more DI is recall--I But I experience that FB: EHSH: an been me I see I haven’t to ones. You it. whenever showed certain FB: since It about field. that tell ever this I can’t that think such 1973 did. convincing. mission to as but valuable. prayers dream occasion at very proclaimed 18, desire kept me alive at to alive. all. 90 My find I truth. haven’t father died Among any AT other right by he was when HEBER C. SNELL in his OCTOBER seventies. childbirth, for thirty-six heredity of any as of brother of You ISk Well, FB: How HS: As do I our I FB: What were HSE What did g You were NG ECRILEY. Well, it am is and not right to claim to do with up to that I been quite for it? Is that I don’t know enough not well, damn you fool saying? a it. I don’t ninety know at of know all. how of that I interrupted you I think account it is gives something this divided. You for true. of center a on, among number of all them. another if miracle? that to is die, your I a mira- guess. thought there. I really unity, that you you don’t to become I was do. existence. your you helps this. two find to live. I think If Your persons; have in your out and you are believe too. would 91 say this go personality your s heal Eh psychiatrists of you know, you want respond- pensentEsoLINthinkNthi'sicontrilbutesiitol the My me? ask asking so any account personality, for haven'’t so. just something only then. kind in was ones has was she lived only it when breed, you a who course, 1973 child the because as I Of of saying, cle. HS the There top you So, died. anything are guess was tenth ancestors I the I her seven. Snells. are mother having and the DIL: or My 18, one i HEBER DL: C. SNELL ¥es OCTOBER N Eercicaloneness; mindedness about EISE: Yes, is. FB: I HS: there really your didn’t that the search tion for life, and Well, who this was son’s man a one were there. the evening your said, I the truth. gaistied I believe to of from held your quite "It is because T said, "What £ind te Ery until I truth. the yours, is am evening he and do you doing as you Grant?" He me for and to love for am not I I Laughed:. he" Well, me How great it, spent called question after my wife and (He a at his hotel along have it Taggert, an together? easy I still motiva- Grant "Hebe going an is that you-- their you "That want single worthwhile and says, interest, of around spending up He kind about, Berkeley, come kind a hear you were in a anyone was telling them. said, I was glad we is 1973 there. truth am had with for answer." I was They has I for night what account have?" I there millionaire, home Hebe), feeling think felt | there 18, said, "Making meney . " FB: Well, want we courteous and thank to you, us allowing again. We just felt wanted to sort of tie to there that up sions. 92 Snell, Brother and chat come and were some get some for of loose your being with ends so you we impres- HEBER HSE C. SNELL Well, if it both want was of it, even Now, Ve siE FB: I FB: yes. Yes, talked Well, if to glad I You are after keep on feel that trouble as £l line once in this class, this Some time the to presentation presentation on education and univer- allows If people. like would I workshop, health your if you, the to down come to get and calendar. your have to or meaning, the you religion; about. all feel and right do can it, I will it. says Rogers Max Okay. do you the we what know, like between relationship the I teaching on it a short give and come you me. education. short for up signs anyone to 1973 for little be put up a give to you a to and to come truth. 18, me. going would will to you done you I way brings I am experience encourage religion like you for the would year We sity. on has it summer next be I on would pleasant are it as next EISE: very you though workshop HSE: a and awhile, FB: OCTOBER he would to like do one on the Baibiller EISH: Good. FB: In EiSH You go a I Max hope way different see, into he that was in believes my field from and he 93 Bible. Does he? probably. you, student the up did. here. I encouraged him to HEBER EB}- C. SNELL OCTOBER Yes, he was in his ago, and he was in assumptions about what know do you and tried you have cal setting. to Certainly. FB: You can’t use next thing. said and be big look a Some of the were in not them feel 0ld text to that they last week he what the prove were we I to realize have to in this, their "Well, always and for we that is how histori- that, that floor was; its glad think of the history very weeks said, had 1973 of some So upset. church couple Testament people very the So the a challenging Testament. to at quorum for it?" as some and 0ld it enough life, the about to priest trouble explain got HSE high 18, what he ought to the agree the way with of each other. HS}: not but if you try why in the world one you FB: Yes. HSH What be should speak. People want, kind should but of agree say, "Oh, don’t say freedom with his of robbed is be that well, it." that? 94 if you don’t all right try to thimk lot of foolish a to something contribute to don’t you if Even say and fool a be just and you if think, to right the have freedom, personal have don’'t you if Well, a objectionable everybody freedom you can discussion, to cannot I to things, think believe anybody? see and that to whatever HEBER C. SNELL DS B taiail HS: Yes, partial OCTOBER and END a damn OF little INTERVIEW 95 bit NO. of 2. partial, 18, 1973 I’'d say. TPlE;;«;:‘t UNIVERSITY OF[JTAH EVERETT L. COOLEY ORAL HISTORY COLLECTION Date: Z\_/bml‘ S99 | willingly contribute the testimony of my late father, Heber Snell, recorded at Logan, Utah on June 13 and Qctober 18, 1973 to the Library of the University of Utah to be used for scholarly purposes. \/ Open and usable Usable with the following restrictions: ol 2Ly D Son of Interviewee Mfif@m lnterwe J. Willard Marriott Library Salt Lake City, Utah 84112-1179 [phone] 'y Obltuarles Togan I NS Inditite of Haliginm He was the acthor of three bocks “*Ancient Lsrael 15 Sipey” and Meaning,” “‘Through Years — Occasional the Wntings, ™~ and "‘Gospel References,” =hich was used by several missions, Scryzvorsinclade his widow of A Logan:1. iwn daughters, Harola (Yesta) Mcrgan: Mrs. Mrs. Francis, (Alla) John Teeter, Milwaukee, Wis.; two sns, Dr. Esmond E. Snell, nrofessor -at University af California, Berkeley, and Dr. Jurius Snell, University of Ohio 3 Columbus. A son, Hillman Snell, died Jan. §, 1344, He also has 17 grandchildren and 10 great-grandchildren. Dr. Snell was the last surviving member of a family of 10. Funeral ucrvices will be conducted Monday au 10 m. in Hall Mortuzry chapel. Friends may Dr. Heber C. Spell Heber Cyrus at the mortuary Monday only, pricr to the funeral. Burial will be in the Hcber C. Snell Dr.- cail Snell, Specnish Fork cemetery. In lieu of flowers, anyone wishing to do so, may make a contribution to 91, mellaewn Utah, educator and-the Heber C. Snell cellection at wv-f‘er died today in the Logan :Utah-State University Library. hospital of natural causes. He was born Jan. 16, 1883, in Spanish Fork to Rufuz P. and Ellm C. Snell. He- married| Sg t. 5, J905; [«rbugan 1 Tempfe She died | June 8, 1345 in Pocatello. He then! married June Phoebe Linford 23, 1947 .in !finpje."f B Dr. Snell the Rees logan ¥ served an LDS mission in Chicago. He attended | Brigham Young University | where he edited the Campus| paper, “The._White and Blue,” graduating in 1912, He served as principal of San Lus Academy, Manassa, Colo.; principal of the Big Horn Accdemy, Cowley, Wyo., and as superintendent of ~ schools in Lovell, Wyo. Dr. Snell graduated from University of Utah wih the M.S. degree, and received the Ph.D. degree from Chicago. He University 'vas a teacher of of and education in -Snow Callege. Sphraim, asd had Boneifrise e A EOS st futanict " peychology Religian, atfiliated with the University of Idaho in Pocatello. In 145 he ioined the faculiv of iz