Amanda T. Paskett Oral History Interview

Interview of Amanda T. Paskett by Jay Hammond and Verna Richardson about church life, home remedies, electification, and smallpox scare.

UTAH STATE HISTORICAL ORAL Grouse HISTORY Creek Oral SOCIETY PROGRAM History Project Karly Experiences Amanda Tanner Paskett Interviewed by Verna Kimber Richardson on December 3, 1973 UTAH STATE 603 East Salt) Grouse INTERVIEWEE: SUBJECT: DATE R: | © OF Oral Tanner tteh Project Paskett.: Kimber Richardson Karly Experiences INTERVIEW: — oeLo0e J History Verna December 3, 1973 Okay, now just to begin, tell me about your early childhood, your parents, your grandparents if you remember them, your brothers and sisters, and some cant P: Creek SOCIETY South Temple — Leake City. . . Amanda, INTERVIEWER: HISTORICAL when I was of the things you were born the a child. 20th of January, that you remember as being 1896 in. Grouse Creek. signifi- My father's name was Alan Newman Tanner and my mother's name was Mary Emily Barlow Tanner. JI remember when I was just a small girl. about maybe— four or five years old, my grandmother, Ann Newman Tanner was — living with my parents in a three roomed log house. She was deaf, so she was quite aged. I remember one day she sat on the couch by the stove in the kitchen, living room, dining room, and all, and She sat there with her arms crossed rocking back end ‘Torth, Pili) sight to meas a Little’ girl. short time, maybe a couple of days, she passed and forth, back Then in just 2 away. was the most frightening thingI had ever heard. They on a board, no mortuaries, no undertakers, no doctors, laid her out on this board. I think it was a:door and lay by curious the open: Window. even side of the was opened, the most mother built I can't heartless a casket remember, if I was frightened. house, peek I'd peek in laying of white Ib’ was there for cloth,I thing don't remember just oh several Aprii.i«wl ..I. would was me a Little go around that out I've old hard of lumber, remember exactly things ever witnessed board. they bit to the what, and then but after she had that was | door was William Paskett with some they buried passed of interest. south to see my grand- Finally lined it that laid her but they there she through the window or every time the to see what I could see. To me that on that her in To kind her. away then I 5 PASKETT We used We to have to draw the water out of drew. the water out of the well; bath in the old tin me that Every Jim, was was | once in a while he used churning to one come day for the churning there was an to our to be done and oh such old Indian house begging I remembered him so he could things as that. by the name of for food.. coming. When There have a drink They went into They crawled out the bedroom, to through To Captain my mother he sat, waiting of buttermilk. Some of the girls that were in Grouse Creek came there. peculiar old Indian, he liked.to scare people. I don't but he just delighted. He would someone. So he told these girls a pump. carried it to. the house, took a tub, wash tub, nothing. the well, not. even He was a know why, laugh and laugh if he could scare that he was going to take them. the north bedroom, the window and away shut the door. they went and some way he seemed to know that they were escaping. He went out. on top of the old root cellar, right up on that cellar and screamed at them. He just laughed his best, told them to come back, he'd catch them. He never did catch them. Those girls got away. Then my father decided to build a house,a brick house.. go up nasty there and fall, run but across daredevil. the floor joist, I jumped a We used to sometimes we'd little have ahead. a When I was about two years old, my brother Raymond was born. Then I had a little bit of responsibility tending, two years old tending that baby. Two more years another brother was born, they named him Joseph. He passed away and was buried the day Delbert and Herbert. old. ‘Then another year another brother was Leslie. Then in a few more years here come twins, imagine; jumped ahead. that he was six weeks born. They named him two boys, a pair of. Of course they had to have | their parents name a little bit so they said Delbert E. for Emily and Herbert A. for Alan. Then the responsibility started. Oh let's go on with building this house first, goodness sakes I've really The in house the new seemed wasn't was built and finished and Herbert brick house, two story brick to be something worthwhile, but and Delbert house. I began to think Well, father was called on a mission to Australia. tribulations and hardships while he was gone, We he January birthday. He came home the day before my born From then on life. any more girls left in the world but me. 1909. was had was that there in 1906 my our trials gone 'til I and was 13 tight in years old, I think, at the time. He had cattle. He was a farmer. He had someone take care of the place while he was gone. While he was gone, I slept with my mother. Sometimes she would put one of the babies, one of the twins in bed with me. When she'd come to _ bed to move the baby she couldn't move him, I had him my arms, nobody was going to get away with that one. But in Kelly stairs. my school from I days I Brigham guess enjoyed City and sometimes school. he boarded I was My first with us. a little bit so teacher He had smart was a aleck room and Alfred up- didn't PASKET'T 5 know if I wanted to go to.school, if I didn't want to get my sons, or if I didn't want to.do. something I should be. doing. he took me blessing. He said up in his room one day, Now Kelly if I got a must be Irish, but I didn't straighten up I'd I got an have cify me after he give me a good talking he said, “Hold with peanuts. to Irish blessing quit school. to (I had In called 1907 while good who Wait Barlow advice, hada David Edwin. was David Morgan. I knew a lot of had my by the name because they her: eye which set on one on and on My really man, SometimesI too young She gave me helped me. he was to a Afton. We family. had times, but we We a You couldn't had trials. three and them. say anything but, us dug field, had overcame little then we built lower our I hard time at a two-room our Emily, a good man, a he was times, a good man. but log house nothing a lot never to school, pretty But sly we kept I away from Then I Robert troubles real we you couldn't of saw. and . some- good man. too ‘serious. down in what so hard water was a well, Rhea tribulations, our He was grand- in 1914. got consent children, an- My grand- going be Alice Amanda Mor- was married, April, 1914. Then I moved out of home-~not home, but out of that home and starteda home of my own. started on) mother's of my grandmother, to be courting. finally 'til.he after my see any had her in 1912 Grandfather Barlow I just a little girl. young Paskett. thoughtI was named T loved her. of counsel of George lingering just apron young men, and then I never did a minute, I've skipped. Tanner, We Bertha, Now David was father Tanner I've never seen. My Grandmother Tanner died when I was I kind sister. in 1909 another sister, brother, parents. gan father was gone, I Then grandfather pa- of course. While I. through the eighth grade, went the other then. To a little was going to school, I had some chances to talk to not professing to be perfect by a long ways. Evelyn. Scotch. your apron up.". I held my apron up andthe filled it Of course, to me that was really something. I went school, on to little bit of a lesSo called use ‘So the to it drink or anything like that, so he would hitch the team to the buggy, start me up the road and I would go up to my mother’s where they had a pipeline in. They piped water from a stream called Buckskin, then I would leave it get a barrel setting keep our milk and cold water of water in the wagon, nice and cool, and fill it with no refrigerators. we'd put it in bucket, the well, just so it touched the cold water. lived for several years. Then we moved into standing. It was a three room building when built a nice cement basement underneath, put in, but we still had our the old hose, back home, When we wanted hang it down to in That's the way we the home that is still I moved into it. We a bathroom in, hot coal oil lamps. We worked in the church, both.of us. He was in the bishopric, he was a counselor. in the bishoprie for five or. six years. I. can't remember the exact dates. I was in the presidency of the Primary with Sister Lillian Richins. She passed away when one of her PASKETT yy children was born, she passed away. That worked in the Mutual. left a responsibiliton y Then in a short time, they put me in as president of my shoulders. I have.a pin for From .then 1 worked in the Primary. the Primary... “But that’ wasn't the end of it, twenty years service'in the Primary. I still worked on and on. in the Mutual. I was secretary I at one time of the Mutual or whatever you've onetime, and then. enjoyed it, we would go the Genealogical in the teacher in block "Til in mind to call I taught Sunday Salt Relief Society thought 1958 Then that. from me teacher visiting I went, my husband in me too busy, as for in many July years. re- they of I'm home. when present it was a leader class the Society I was and I guess--and at I hold office was old, too put Society Relief the in years many a good for of secretary Relief a I was Creek. I was which teachers, every chance we we were In fact, I was Then Temple. they president it of the Grouse Creek choir at School. for fiftyoor sixty years, Grouse in Society He was the presidency of the Mutual, time. I was president, chairman went to the temple, and do temple work. Lake temple, my health--they visiting the In the teacher, leased was in at one loved it. We to the temple and got married He and he was too busy to go, but I went on a tour with a group to the Canadian temple, that to me was wonderful because I love nature.I saw many things. We went Canada, wonderful me. and up through then we trip. Then we went came The only to the Glacier back down a different sad thing the temple I Park about think and over the Pass, way. it was six times It was that the he wasn't while we were into most with there. So, when I said, "Oh if I could just go to every temple in this whole United States I would be so happy." In March of 1959, he took sick, the doctors the doctor paralyzed thought up maybe in Ogden all down and his care of Afton's do all angel. ing get the me him, they So up was with could to the we took the 5th back your up (‘father's the materials material in? brick Richins across right him there him in night boys were help you house. and burned the just Logan, and so very in there him did-all good into but Tt was Did lane--you burned a two they know the and you a coma When stony where brick bought up with he never have Then he to was until | the 14th anymore for him. It was took him up to Logan, my took day, a minute. the the brick do we I. took him hospital. So’he was he went that? and stroke. Afton was working, for there in they couldn't him there, so him to a hospital, of May, 1959. with a slight side, Then he had a spell, Richinses, the living children, of May, away on Let was put left of April, then theyssaid costing too much to keep daughter he'd had you I there could him, but came it they she was out. talked How laborers for for on Sunday, brick. they and come were hin, would an the 3rd He passed about build- did in they and ship living--burned Grandma from I took them. Tanner's house. PASKETT 5 P: YeouwThey.~etvthet around. R: Were P: The most materials, What P: Well, “the. the trees thene.wasva,lot : houses built with brick, houses, about in the canyon Dad your P: No, no, can't they at where remember all of them R: Well P: Oh well yes, yes they didn’t a builder; but they did have come to help their names. R: After that P: As I said, tell about do know, certain digression, my. desire my he died It was mother. even, too they where she go got into quite Ogden and One get the lumber that is my for the ) from the ,pises .and Lee had a sawmill of it with. they'd was all My large moved so go to,go It live her into a community | to have certain laborers to every was to Ogden what and a widow, lived moved warm, put talking First temple. left keep you are to going father died in a brick house out, all married so the my I’m about. she moved. for and Before two younger ones, After, they builta little tie house across the road from the brick house. his family and they bought another center of town. Then mother moved into took with wasn't of. ib .. have on with mother for they there was William do any building, he was a farmer, not builders come in. I don't remember let's was but She stayed there for some time. ill houses. one, houses bat, every. things. Bertha and Edwin, in school. for Raymond to live in, just It got too small for him and house, a larger house in the the tie house. native the Most names, in 1935, left my mother a widow, and she quite some time 'til all the family have gone. and.stuff and essentially? helped? for paid father, @h you log with brick lumber. clay our brick house; and I don't remember who brick house. But I do remember it being P: I mean, two were all built there. Joseph the $0: one: man, built.the home, then, project where everyone came and Mr. red his,own,dabor: Richins's place. none... the did they the built of materials, grandmother, sawed they Newman, a relative built built your grandmother's burned only your houses, that fathers.doe I There's Tanner, and these of them? houses,,the,log’/houses, and there was a sawmill material R: all yes. the. other others? native R: clay. for Grandma had. R: up the the brick built folks - of ned Mrs. her to town. Greenwell In But in about the in Ogden. winter Then she 1953, would in the © PASKETT 6 summer time so she got five got warm and she couldn't come out with out car from Ogden and they and took her there. get was out of bed, she so good to her. Finally, put I think her in'the come out. me. with lived she died, George him, called we as Ted, my brother picture our had We ill. in the it was in 1960, or Ogden. Then in December February, 1958, her they birthday was She old heart, undergone that her boys, the twins, they remember her in 1960, February I'll try not the Margaret’ the chance two temples With’ George my grandson, felt three the Temple temple tours Travel back the vour, to Paskett there. of my down through new temples several times, me I'll much too A. year or hard. came, I went’ Lake. On to to St. the Salt that the way I've and from St. 50th Lake I was several so Temple not alone, I've prayers answered through in they that Now many behalf. if I can times if you talking you a record were young, Indian that were of they problem? No, I don't Grouse my when kept both When Indians I have now of the temples that I've been to, or many of the sessions that been through, and the names of the ones I went through for; it's over a hundred. I hope I'm doing somebody some good. the heart. Falls on I many I've been about of my been no, that's a desire have I went been. times, and been the anniversary, and the Idaho I've to tour I ean because were the my Provo, to temple wedding through. been later George California,’ been to every temple on this continent and Canada. live--I'm going to try and go again several times, times, and my two on a to she was I went I've only several said me the them they This Temple in Ogden her and in the away. and and Logan with 19th, 5:00 too she passed chance all there, on the was as declare husband the were I got Salt took away it have of two alone, hit on to Arizona. Manti, presence emotions Lund Duane the my I was there, to saying 1960. Let came. went through to passed but in a coma, she hadn't spoken until just before she passed away she said, "Oh Alan, take me home with you.” That's the only of she surgery was and Two and had die passed her words P: came for morning. R: taken, everybody But much for herself. very do in January home hospital. poor Then couldn't she walk around, couldn't she so Sth of February, she was 85 years old, she said, “I'm ready to now. I'm 85, I'm ready to die." On the 19th of February, she away One about it would be In 1958, at all. quite she would carried her out to the car and put her in the the doctor's care from then on. She was under couldn't rest was day She got July. in was That she that and generations, comfortable, me before of July, 19th the it lived she winter 1959, when think Creek mother telling some of them them to do watch they Jack, were the white used there bub very people, crawl (he me when anything. to was any. was There &@ very, she was very shy, children They had up on and a then was very a girl the play one genuie about the younger ones. but haystack roll you could or a down. .°. .°. 2d Indians strawstack The Indians called remember coming They'd very they come and and seldom get or something would get up PASKETT 7 on top but they wouldn't roll the others. They'd stand and mother was up there and and took her with her. The that down. laugh They'd just stand at the others. So and one about times. she grabbed one She laughed of the girls it many many and laugh at day my rolled down I guess it. frightened the Indian a little. But Indian Jack helped build the Logan Temple. He helped build the Logan Temple, and he was married in there. But. Captain Jim was just more of a sly one. homes other and build their trouble, R: When your P: No, R: What P: Idaho, Indians carry the water wickiup not came in of and from Grouse were up on would camp there the Cedar to the trees; right wickiups. but the close to the They Indians were would no Creek. you say that they came, mother was a girl? they they the you mean they weren't living there when reservation. reservation? I can't remember near Blackfoot, I've still Well, why the Idaho; and name then of the reservation there was one that in Idaho, was up settled somewhere in Nevada. I don’t remember where his home was, but he made me a real nice pair of buckskin gloves and gave them to me. R: there? got the did) Why gloves. they did come they come and come for P: ET think gebcthe they pine used to nuts. R: Wasn't Grouse Creek P: I think cause he south of R: Buh he P: Yess R: He so. said into No, he he saw Jack in wasn't the Grouse camp Grouse in pioneers saw Gidulave von the meseryacion, happened P: . Messuhbe R: Actually such. PP: Ben R: Never? was to «his then our weren't I don’t Creek when Creek, coming pioneers is they the but through coming know living where settlers he was Rocky through they came in? by be- close Pass down there. vthateright? (home. be just there? Grouse Creek, ‘was if pine’nuts. Grouse that Creek down there. anyoungimay there were no thems Indians that lived in Grouse Creek as PASKETT P: 8 No, they they'd go always to would them, t can hunting liked to kind to remember on the come other down or pine come if death. R: Do you he She was so know the story Captain he found on go down when they the Logan Temple. joined. One time when R: I was wondering P: No. I think he Your friends have a lot you tell me So I have kind. Well, bad they a was for desire of liked married, cowboy, teaching for stepped excused himself feet, it's hard But I never husband. went All And they they got doing so good anything. in one day when was Jack? scald him to to no scald him trouble. Why he joined to the a poem about him. If you'd like a it said he was.a good Indian. He Indians die, they go up; bad Indians fix in Grouse him some obituary in temple of his Grouse are married, they did to a little company, that bit Creek I got, all. and course clothes was a for him coming about good Of your your Utah. growing and and friends life? company. your your up, neigh- I never had any my parents were when I was young, right from the start seomtimes be know anything of the community, course to into on you when you're small Grouse responsible. Young I don't influence always at Of in he asked the death. saw Brigham of influence anyone Creek respon- I never I had kind a little bit with some of the people before I was you know. Dancing with one man one night, this on my toe or something, kicked me or something, and I said, "Oh well, you know, all angels have big to keep them out of the way,” something like that. the got going there converted him, out, practically influenee good. I could sieve out we used to go to dances, where got but that‘he anything. to flirt a little he he was the tells from were they is Verna's grandmother sneaking was Creek good someone good influence sible if and what neighbors P: got you after Can bors. I've to no idea who even and Society in. the people and die. But he worked on the temple, the building of He carried the mortar. I never did know why he © Relief buried she But Grouse that Creek R: again, about? out that; She told him she would Wo, I don't know why.’ I have copy of it you can have that, said that like whenever or something. She had the boiler on the clothes out of the boiler, and he came up that came year, of any of them Jim come frightened. «Howxthat ehurch? P: done the telling--now this said "Boo!" ever of Creek because never heard Kimber side-~-about times nutting or something and she was washing clothes stove there, was taking death different to Grouse them, Josie behind her and at the booze, actually was what just laid but never good. went Oh, out--weren't with I won't I didn't think before I could sometimes out some wild say anyone was right. even dance, of any them all got of but my it was I know when I don't know pretty longer--but to wild. me PASKETT 9 that was disgusting. Of course little kids think it's amusing, see them laughing and talking and carrying on. But I was allowed to go step outside and they were never allowed to inside. me, R: So that every once Well, now What kind in a while I set me one bit. You have the hiccups. never come to excuse what did you do when you were growing up with your friends? of parties did you have, or what did you do for your enter- talnment? P:; didn't influence to Well, my folks were very generous with friends, neighbors, relatives, anyone was always welcome in our home. We'd have our. Christmas parties, Thanksgiving parties, and we used to sleigh ride sometimes with a group. One thing people) to cook I never did do was to ticktacking, (tormenting husband about. one and never once did I go chickeri them on a, campfire) that. never perfect, but I never ticktacking had R: Was P; With some they tacked Orin Wilson was boarding of a chance. a prevalant them, yes. (stealing chickens and tried did, not’ that I think’ I'm I thing? remember my telling family was ticktacking and they'd get too aggravated and come out and cut the string, so one night quietly someone got on the roof, little of his out was onto a stovepipe and then got ways away and it nearly drove that friends, oh, they played tricks. courting don't They it a path you? this between That strung the ground. and have stubbed I never girl, a wire He with Amy a bunch old house Cook, Hatfield, of lilac that, home so happy, his toe on the wire and went got.in on any of that sport. a lot some fun doing and you behind know he'd been what the post six or eight had such a good some . There I mean, office. inches time and he Well, One time 1 remember One party real well. They had what, they called a progressive supper and went from one house to another. Wherever they did went, you do? up, house they I can't remember maybe sandwiches, Anyway that's play a game. to another, people, our place, after would you were eat maybe married? a salad, With the next and the next place pie or cake or they went they would serve, set it all that they had to eat. what they did. ‘Then wherever they went they would So then sometimes when they were going from one place there about had one house they would have something ice cream or what not, wherever was twenty pretty about of soon us we twenty and heard © from Ps what you Ceok, Then sprawling on the gravel path. We used to go sleigh riding that. parties crazy. a What friends, of the quite the boys got smart. about he hill R: your were of family bushes, just the Lizzie so right across across came Mrs. on we of were the us, married waiting worst for people, them scrambling and to all married come to hollering. PASKETT 1 They were and trying they went. R: This was P: Yes. R: Treasure P: A treasure wire playing to fence catch and and Deer. them. fell was fun. after you were we One George down. It Sometimes hunts Dog We group Blanthorn just had R: hunt. went We have would what have from place but when we had mostly No. Oh, they just as had the R: What were P: Oh parties? we he was they just had others up in a fun wherever do you call them—a hunt. to a treasure place, 4 party it hunt. followed We the signs had treasure that we went from were bag of peanuts in an old remember too much about the was a good one. We place. Everyone took their turn of entertaining and having Whenever we felt like we ought to have a party we had one. were Mutual the married? would these P: 50 chasing got all tangled fun, supposed to. One time we found a big discarded threshing machine. I can't place to a party. a hunt? and parties was well. parties. some danced, one time, were over kind church individuals parties; We had a lot of of your dances the last four nice but and everyone parties, it wasn't attended dances, church church them too, dances, like? of my husband's life while thing. He danced waltzes, two steps, two-step, and then they came out with fox trots, the the fox trot. old At alive, the clean fashioned instigated by we had square I suppose you've 400 people. of dancing. heard He thought that was just this These P: Yes, most R: Were there P: Not until with some R: Which them any were young? church? were. restrictions, some of the of them. ones? you | there R: the when time When I was young? Oh, the waltz quadrille, the plain quadrille, the schottische, the varsouvienne, Houheichef waltz, Virginia Reel, Tucker waltz, all kinds that were anywhere near, they were old-time dances, I suppose, waltzes, two-steps. sponsored by dance before, but one about P: of you years What all did five R: were dances or new rules dances that came went in, and along with they got the dances? quite rough | PASKETT P: LT Oh; What they called the turkey trot.) "IT remember' one night they called my husband down on one of the dances because he, I don't know what he was doing, shaking his shoulders, or doing they thought was just a little in as floor manager and he had something, bit out of order. to straighten them Then out. anything he'd see them and he'd straighten him out. that they put Anybody him did There was never any smoking allowed nor drinking in the house. Some of them would come in there that had been drinking and get smart sometimes, and had to be called down a little bit. | R: When you mentioned this drinking, you allude to the fact that it was sometimes a problem. Where were they getting their drinks? P: I don't know. I really don't Montello, Tacoma, Nevada; and know, but they would sometimes go to then some people that came in. from course they other I places would some people eouldn't Cem DRG the P: Not that Were and you about I know in But it. most of don't Maybe at the wedding. of them that them What time had remember in a wedding they would mention Most of. a while have parties? married at the P: drink, There never will have homes they Maybe some was a saloon. a supply of the But on men of hand. folks could So giris' drink? inside. any. R: . You tell some. your. R: Once bring the dance they have--pass ‘You were the went getting to did but would but drinks the wedding whether dances, they*d my mother, I to have don't it I never with at that was the traditional thing you were getting married? the dance. never brought outside. temple married not at your husband. time, did do when a wedding they they dance. remember her had got I ever saying that they had a wedding dance; but my mother, when she was ten years old, had dropsy and one leg was shorter than the other. She couldn't dance. So maybe they didn't even have a dance. But I remember her sister wedding. They the them Alice telling He was probably song says, telling not drank I about about LDS. the danced some they He had night the what IT heard’ from those information on that. R: What do you P: Oh yes, she she didn't plain dance went. quadrille, was just a little some candy in his your so maybe They'd the whole waltz mother go dances, did’ go, dances. quadrilles. kid, I knew pocket. He dad was morning one through. but about My But I don't 50, but. and they were strong Just know. saying didn't to too. night that she 'til friends that through of these only much remember danced I the dad . drinkers. I've waltz heard remember can't give dance? You used I remember more had a to one dance time as anything, you too said the when I had some peppermints or something, just about the size of Charlie PASKETT Le Kimber, your dad's father, they were just on a plain quadrille,.and when they in Charlie Kimber's about were the same size. in between sets It they had a was little rest period between sets because when quadrilles, now they danced them lively; and they danced those plain I run up and put my hand any. I had got Then out, I pocket looked I'll to get up and seen tell you. me who's Oh,.I guess times. Who wouldn't be? Any more 'til they think I was a beggar. I'm interested what the dances that time, different than they differently. Yes, they were so They were clever they might hire Now, .continuing were some much. some peppermints. pocket I was a little questions? were more my like a didn't hand in. find I mischievous:at You've were like, if they are now, you know, They I pinned me were unique if they did dance than we down for things do today... Standing in.the middle, of the floor and.gig. up and .down, shake your arms and carry on like you're crazy. They never did that. They had music and they danced to the music, kept step to the music. They had the three step, the waltz, like I've told you before, plain quadrille, waltz quadrille, and all these other dances. a home and orchestra, Oakley, in the quadrille music, unless an orchestra Idaho. involved the the it to was come in ,things..that,.jyou,,did church of the music a lot things the was some did They special always occasion and | for. reereation.... to You were responsibilities. provide What for the young people? I know that you took a lot of outings that I was on. were some of the favorite places that they went to, what were of the things you did to One time the choir went priesthood convention. tabernacle in Ogden. provide diversion? to Ogden to the North Weber The Grouse Creek Choir went ,1 can't remember had from Oakley or somewhere, in different church good. the year, but What some Stake for and sang in .it.was the in the old tabernacle in Ogden. Then the girls, when they had the girls’ program in Mutual, we took our girls and went down to a banquet or a convention, or whatever it was, that I thought was real good. We hac. IT ,our .pheture remember Then I Sunday, think School class of anything the that girls we for go with took rest..of them the took to to Salt Salt Lake Lake for the baptisms in programs called for We and specific. them, the the group. one. children that the or wirth,,ali, that. we.took, go, age groups. that were ready any more taken classes a group one time, time maybe was the a the Salt Lake Temple. Just or we felt like was good for were, of age to a cooperative bishopric all the time help in.all things. I. can't remember they went to that to, the temple, or whatever.it..wesabhat always had willing to I know one Logan to Logan one time, but for baptisms. I didn't PASKETT kS R: What about P: Bertha your people? group. Kimber, One in Idaho. warm springs. we went and [ some down could drown. But to we them they were the my you We went and cooked and we up to up there, had what went, and almost called they were some I was to take fun that somebody had been the city in along with, the a bath of and water. with Seems us along, I for fear that. Pass. scouting mining of the age Almo, hot springs, with Rocky scouts the young cooked breakfast, dugout up there, and went in and was looking. but went down and looked in there. Found two powder over in played around of ie with chairman they had in lot is took | there, afraid a outings breakfast over swimming camp when in the pool that Iwas went have assistant Took the girls swim boys Did we went swim. took of While she was time Rock never camping? One to or I'd time me like something. they found a It wasn't very deep, or three boxes of quite an experience. I don't know, wherever we felt like we'd like to go or whatever body suggested, "Let's Society used to go out we would take were the some go so and different day some- so," why we would go. The Relief places. We didn't camp out, but for it. , Where P; Oh, up Pine Creek, and I can't remember the places, but we went out. We would usually have our picture taken. It depended on the occasion R: I they wanted to one outing where they remember go. But camped we for the day? did, we really were took blankets not and went stay-at- out and camped was the scout all night--everyone took their own blanket, we didn't have sleeping bags--up in Pine Creek, I think, at the base. Were these common? I can P:. you : R: and where homes. of the places her remember [aid leader, take the one, the but giple, 7 I wonder if tee the they were giris, My common? ‘husband, he took the scouts and I took the girls he and we went up in the basin and stayeda couple of nights, I think up there. Of course was the older girls, it would be older then you. We had a lot of They were meanness R: Did you all good boys of any kind. ever have any and girls, no troublemakers, no They were all real good. shows come into Grouse © Creek quarreling, outside of that fun. no > the community? P: Oh, mob) very often, but weiGid George Blanthorn, George A. After he was gone, not able good one. We we had three before they built this new rock Now I every don't meetinghouse just the winter remember seats down, at the a lot whether but they back lot. ofreal good shows.) Brother Blanthorn, was real good and he did that. to do or what not, Don Wakefield, he was a real) there, gution havea it of shows.) of four building, was back had built was high to Sehoolteachers’ plays. they before I had over in they a false floor see remember the the tore and one old church. it... the were time the old had top of that log ones PASKETT 14 down lower. That was quite.a fascination. Then shows, shows, We always worked in anybody. that they could get to take part. when Don Wakefield remember just my part, I give me my speech“until’ was here, exactly what could say it cues and I'd he was the name backwards go on and E> sot up" ehere going and to put of it and say Den, was on a show. or anything, shows. I know I can't but I knew forwards. My husband would it. I never missed, not one “It's your turn.” I didn't know what to say, I blanked out just that fast, stage fear, stage fear or afraid of the manager. But I loved to play, and we had one that was in the Mutual, Big-hearted Herbert. I was the Negro. I've had several different a "T" ones end so say, I liked "You sure took that fe real well, When’I was going'to sehool, we had:a was this English girl and was people whatnot and and give but it was a so this her Negro. was fun I remember one young man, posies, I can for Relief but she Society woman, Winnifred Paskett, we gave her a little easy nosies." those Everyone put school’ trying plays was But it fit me to play, 1. remember; and I to make love to me and Len Lee, says remember me. show over.” he said, and I can willing on a show one "I offer her roses remember enjoyed to take day and she didn't hardly want one. She kept walking that. them so part. a little He much, English to take part, but across the stage in front of the Crowd with @* cup sjust a cup. They said, "Why don't you keep out of the way, what are you doing?” She said, "The back stairs are on Tire. OU Mt purting it) out." “Withra@neupsy” It was really Furth. R: I guess P: ‘Oh R: TD want Py We R: What P: Well, you yess’ provided Yes," you usec we Hverybody if you did ehevying they do?” Describe give Year's their them. props. me went. I heard seranade, New for Own tell I never and props ‘our to a Sleigh, if it and chevy, beat in had own any worked at i) 4 aekhty,, these weddings. "so. did dance. your them them go on tell about a refreshment morning. playing music. horns, banjos, I didn't chevy. one, was winter, they'd take drums or anything until whatever teams, a they'd they wanted Only go the from them. of to guys one Some were playing anything, anything some call were but I've heard, usually the team and a sleigh they promised to give Sometimes they'd it, Christmas kind. out end of the They every in used thelr valley to harmonicas, some they could play. invite to them chevy ran away. or with other, drums, and some They had a teamster and away they'd go, drive right up as close to the house as they could get. I remember that. They came to our place one morning. We had a white horse that was up in the corral. We was making so much noise, it scared that horse, it jumped the fence and go Morning, sleighs the and a in PASKETT , R: You had to get P: Yes; it was:early R: When you P; No. Several R: I Mean reading, P: I what scared he jumped were material, know had to lal, that up night and go in thé morning. the fence growing or did read, in the and up, did you miss people you had mean. or Where P: I did you don't church remember, Had books. We them, I organs like all did don't had find he came’ back; that there but | was he was so a lack of reading and course organs. something get got away. that? they had the Era and was good to read. KR: get him? No, you L'> that; kinds each know and they but a bookcase, they had of books. home what would have all the Just any of reading kind of | mater- a book had; I guess but we had all you'd.call it, the we that full of books. Mother loved to read novels: We had a lot of novels. And we had books for us younger ones. I don't think there was any R: You didn't BR: Wencoulkd R: Do P: Nineteen R: Do P: Wee. R: Tell P: Well, R: The P; Maybe the top Lake. I can't new you lack of reading borrow have done) remember church you when that is during about material. each other then in DT idon't knows that 1 the there church was now? until was the the community? don’t know. dedicated, when it was built, the events? the dedication. the time top had twelve. remember me from you a lot?.. anybody a desk play it you first was paid What moved into for they you met it. in remember the about what transpired basement. finished? was finished, maybe they the other one. did meet in the top, maybe they did, but I can't remember exactly that, I haven't been thinking about that; but they did meet there before it was dedicated. Richards, George F. Richards, was one that came up for the dedication from Salt came. remember There was two of them I think at that time they reorganized the bishopric. that PASKETT 16 R: Who was P: Joseph and put in then? Frank Paskett I may be wrong then they've you was had Pememper) several DO P: Yess R: Was Pa: eee R:, The Pe: Tae. R: You don't remember P: And stake president, 2 there from He Joseph Harper Albert F. bishopric. R: They Po eh R: Did had P: finally Ps: This went raising the vol rock lot A general the bit, Since authorities? to Malta. Tine released was and raising worked of it it was released. built out came River Stake. they reorganized the William Paskett in was Paskett the clerk. Do you remember or the labor it built on ‘it.,. Maybe of of most out. the of basement. it on were anything it or to all. right came out | of dachurch?7 I but don't remember. I If they hill and know that needed more, maybe hauled most of it came basement. old and I guess. it built, getting money? could that was when Phillip to get the money that That. was the Raft instrumental of ways That Eliasion John A. there. president was newvchurch. .. They ‘chipped..the rock... over to a rock quarry just over the little of stake bishopric certain basement. the was. Les ede’? all Belnap. were I think everybody Of: were moved and Henry Well, R: dake the that, the Paskett other. any? the been that Hanfield was the bishop; house? about state John | Redhaatsions of Seals Richins anything? and I know Frank bishops. Bishop David E. have you the a packed Almo. counselor; as in put was mother's brother, remember, visators from one my on John Hanfield. R: tee, uncle, my Barlow, S. you R: How P: Nineteen R: About 1914 /1916/. twelve? al when that was built? When it was dedicated? they a out 17 PASKETT I wasn't gb It was married. Where 1902, did that rock built the rock quarry. that's another two rooms room on, on on the It‘was my me ‘first about come They where So’ that. was. your Tell seems to me like it was dedicated in 1916. bu@lt* in 1912 and then dedicated ‘in 1916 when the new schoolhouse was The It same from? had two I started the year. north rooms, they built:one school, in side; one and that there was front of the schoolhouse. ‘first ‘school? seheol what and room. was room Then first, they in 1912 they about put built Lasv. people did when illness We had two very very efficient midwives. They nurses. They were called upon when a smallpox in the community. were called midwives, epidemic went around. If it was bad enough that you needed help, why they'd always go and help and do what they could. But Phillip Paskett would go and then put up the quarantine doctor come Who a up once were Ellen and in. the in sign. There was a while very, very a doctor in seldom would they Montello, Nevada, when we would have that trouble. ever used call to midwives? Blanthorne (Ellen she But married George Simpson for a while, and Blanthorne) and Mary then Hadfield. her husband They were died Sisters. : Where did Salt Lake. they get their They never training? lost a baby, not one, they never lost unless it was a terrible disease and then they'd call the doctor. Lillian Richins, they had the doctor for her and she passed away at childbirth. Amy Kimber passed away and died after her daughter Effie was born but they both had the there was any sickness. They depended on the Lord for much Do you remember IT remember laying’ with one a some in my very, doctor. were a religious of this. miraculous healings? family, my very high Called in fever home. and My the in the group, elders and they oldest daughter men were all if out was at work, IT couldn't get word to them, no telephones, or anything. She was so sick she was out of her head, delirious and very, very ill. She was burning up with fever. 1 kneeled down by the side of her bed, she | kept calling for me and down beside her bed and should live; but please do me for and her. I was I was right there holding her hand, I kneeled I asked the Lord if it was his wilt that she tell me what to do, please tell me what to Her temperature was right there holding so high and she was her hand. I got up screaming off of my for knees PASKETT 18 I ask for.it, I'll do and in the sight of a thing before. Consecrated oil, I thought.. I gave her a spoonful of consecrated oil it. two guess was she hours Ligjust.eould in. What did I people don't child get know. sick with Well we laid of that to their pain. had There's medi- administer use. to what exactly elders I guess. enough that's just knew they the sicknesses they the were the most prevalent? What had whooping cough, they had the most? we measles, had diseases. spotted instance, some was there if I wondered for be to seemed if did they guess, I called screamed and trying Did people usually call the elders before cine or did they work with medicine? Sometimes, day but of them, tell many I could one. Paskett, went wrong with before they got through he and he had got all right. They laid their hands on his head, passed that water without a murmur another all urinated hadn't He head. his on hands He all. George grandfather, his Kimber, Winfred at water. any pass I then a miracle, isn't a baby something when he was Paul, he couldn't kidneys, his telly little boy Afton's that Now if up playing. But you don't heard of such oil." never and the voice spoke to me and said, "Consecrated give consecrated oil for fever, that's not, I've fever that sickness or something. was community, that to common No. There Not was that : What nothing I were I know common Sweet can was particularly of the medicines they that drank They made bit for the some. of used.on the years, that things have. changed over remedies they used? They different? remember. some Nitre little that were what these some things? of the kidneys. it? it of Sweet Nitre? Sweet Nitre Break the like, warm for a. toddy put it, you know, When the flu was a drops, few in a water. the kidneys. the flu was just awfully a hot toddy, to break it fever with with it? bad, up. some of them so bad even went one to season, whiskey, to 19 PASKETT I don't know just what it was for, Hadfield, the nurse, one night one Fs I don't know; of her family but I know Mrs. was really ill and she was calling on the phone (we had a telephone then) and she was calling on the telephone if somebody had. some whiskey would they please bring it. It was one of these telephones that you could hear everybody, everybody took the receiver down they could hear it. But somebody rushed to her with a little bit. of whiskey. They little bit of whiske for cramps, y took it for medication. there was some in the bishop's home, don't know. But they real well. What besides thing the else? I can't right things. I Sweet now. just can't Nitre and I can't the whiskey, think remember of it the names. can you right now.” We had kept a Probably got along think There their of was salves, carbolic salve and mentholatum. TI don't know just exactly. s. mud, antipholgestine, they used that. for poultices on slivers something that they couldn't get, Slivers out. .IG Was in @ can. 1 spread it on a cloth and put real ‘good. They all Oh yes, me too you bet. much. tell Well, I can't about you that. Aunt Annie for they moved away, place for anyone ings and working finally decided only that the Barlow, awhile or anything Don't it’s and stayed people Uncle boarded that we would Burnham from Salt house that had, we used ‘them to or whatever. It was be for we my has at like question too Long took in Jess came me Don't down question too much ago. boarders and except various that that.’ to my for maybe school- homes. Tell and how you home, they took to Barlow's on stay school teachers and so me on. about got in Then he died and she moved away and there was no else to stay. The government was building buildthere, so they wanted a place to stay, so we just Keith had You one that take or eight at the time. There was Bureau of Land Management. Well come and they'd come and want to I been boarding. with in boarders the Know, experiences oil. remember, your you're teachers, Started Denver or that on to draw the You'd heat.it up and it on the sore A beesting Camphorated me knowledge your other worked? > medicine. Now they'd put was grey. any- about. wash Lake house, I put put We would have six government people. There was anybody, no matter what, they'd stay. I boarded two teacher, and Jerry four\years. could in boarders. But two one Bundy then there. there. we from Brigham built Then we this: had City. two-room another what PASKETT 20 But anyway,I got along real well. When they were putting tricity in, come along. the electrician. would stay there, anybody, I never was cheated but once, I lost $35. R: Never could track him down? P: Never could track him down. passed R: me money on dollars, A year a bad check and I never could get But other anybody that One guy it. than that it, never made very much. Sometimes a thousand dollars, not thousands. I up never into the elec- lost any the thousand conti tind | ie R: That's quite P: You bet. ik. I've got a R: What your rates--do you mind were a few people. record of it. All that ever telling?--in stayed, a record the beginning when of you Started? P:: Well, about they R: If P: Yes. a. ddbiler three and stayed. they had a meal a half, three They all and maybe : meals enjoyed a dellar a eae enjoyed the home cooked meals. go to hotels or cafes. I never to please. him before I My husband took in it contract Iwas used to cooking fore bunch. children, seven children ‘til they States to go, had: R: Pe RR: was too many, Did you keep 0 You called all | the: had your time, help. rates aay Rad on te change them? sol the depending rather It’ would be on how long dollars then. do because they that haying and I'd go and cook for torva bunch: Of course my mobher having eight were all married. My brother a mission mission, to New York. He I think in June. He died a,erowd would boarders. cooking for a bed.’ Where they went into town, they would had any complaints whatever. I tried P; He was dollars, they 5o you\wer@.used died. a half would be three Ri: Leslie to used to the four day, aa. and go to the North Eastern was called to go and was supposed in April, a broken appendix. We was, same to used from to the it. time Of course, you started? if there PASKETT is eu. I had to didn't change them. raise the Some of them said rates they thought it got higher and prices went up, why of them like Rea, the electricians didn't put in What Day.) it. a a their do Db: Was) Dele. $10, 00a If they came, they'd Supper, preakfast, a noon, a warm lunch. Three meals Yes. Ten ups, don't and dari” by But up stayed dollars. mind They going in I haven't until there our said You been So didn*t.stert I don't know. electric as the things company, and they would their lunch. - ‘Then they'd have a cooked lunch the next day at one day. like that. there since before) Yes I don't mind, the boarding out ever they and paying $10, then I did. You going to school, home. too. low and a bed. long have you kept still doing, it? Well, was I I did change. Some of them, some and that, they got so that they usually bring bed and maybe That would be go to conventions and things to it as much as they are." How you the, they wouldn't stay if $12, and the last hae "You're When did three the $15a plate when They said, house? see it that's the company, higher they entitled you quit? Are winters too awful much. was in 1950 when Keith Burnham when they put the electricity 1950 to about 1970.. 1Oa0. Bhenz. did because building @,well for us and like that, but the biggest one or two people, when they were they stayed there and different things influx between 1950 and 1970, twenty years ith Oh Did you notice a change when that became more prevalent? the and camps trailer mobile homes and ALL the Californians wanted to stay there before the campers Oh... yess. But after the campers They'd come deer hunting. and that,came.. started coming, then they'd go right on up to the campgrounds. How many Of what’? Of people I can You did you had beds one for one time, do you © think? there. staying remember at have day, that one many morning, then? I think I got breakfast for ten. PASKETT we Ps ee R: Tell me about what your husband did, what George did as an occupation, what you've done during your life to make a livelihoo for your d family from the time you were married. P: Well, he had farm, a little stayed people with when he farm. it. He was He worked could, when he was't were first married, the first He contrac the ted hay, he and Construction Company Just over the line into TU wasnv. Po Oe R: Hardtack or something P; That was your in candies. Nevada. over to summer. well, worker on. the he would working help other on the farm. When we year we were married, we went to work. his brother Sid,.from, I think, Utah and went KR: for, a very diligent over Idaho. and I think were I can't remember what into Idaho. they called it. Hardtack? like Anyway, JI think that? Contact, we about went you medicines over. there the next the Rancho Grande. get your and put mixed up, up the hay that time they went. contracting, That was in Nevada. And or he went he went over there for two or three years. He was over there for two or three years. He was over there after 1921 because Afton was a little girl, a little pest, always in the way. Then we went from there to, we called it San Ja Sento, but I think the correct name for it was San Jacinto (Wan Kee ta) and sure. But we contracted to fifteen, hay crew cut it, there. from but We experience. or seventeen Grouse they or'goU Tid Archie Rancho anyway, (That's over We were They or men working Creek, stacked were something. contracted the hay over there. I'm not. over there. We had, oh anywhere from ten it. it. there right and for would river, the hay the’ Utah and Lot the of people. We can tell post office was, that's I manager, don't know who Then we went down of years, a couple even to a community church. had know drove We church hadn’t us out. we'd was to of house been had hay, gone was they a month quite our didn't an over the Salmon River then they sold the Company. boss over Idaho. Zeliox was the to have We quit brought all Construction the boss at in you we went where their place the But up to. Contact: | beer parlors a drink at night that kind of for after work, a couple of Montello and stacked hay there three years out’ on:ithecsranch. of Montello, six the sacrament. whether and Jim it I think met a where Grande. we'd and years, the had in we were was They don't several That’ was" for was about eight miles out it was very interesting. I Sometimes stack We stacked the Bowman three years. for accouple go they on the were. Some of them would have and they'd go up to Contact.) to over there. or eight in Montello. there There was very long, One a presiding the sacrament miles I Sunday don't elder or not and out. we know there somebody It Anyway, decided if and came PASKET?T 2D How come? They said that they preferred us in there. So. we went to a went to her house experience to and be driven finished the meeting. out of It was supposed to be It a church. was They community didn't want the community. church, they didn’t want lady's house called Mrs. Child, we for church. the you holding That was community your quite , an though? meetings? No, they had a certain meeting that they were going to hold anyway, and they didn't want us in there. That was quite an experience. But we went over to Mrs. Child's and finished the church. There wasn't too awful many. When When you you got through guit that? going on the hay jobs, then what did Just took care of our own. His brother. Sidney sold his partnership. He sold his share and moved out to Nevada Wells, Nevada. worked for of that. ranches. Up at No, Then he went them. their on That Eddie later? This was later. was right decided never from to we with what How that? shortly retire back. had milk We were did had We was with all for. Carsons, a couple the work, share of the and went to > so he took care Carson brothers. of ranches sell and Clarence working and he run He those of March, that from Carsons. after So that, then cows, he we took sold burdened and went your I think [ne morning We would fill a five gallon he was the lI'm sure care "cil cream, of his had what was best we the to that own money, could. process. that quit. he would Then night that. he a slight stroke... place. He worked whatever we could oF wine separator, too much as he them going llth, ‘elght with along cream, Richins. for them and told 15th never we had you work place sour, o'clock3n time get. on the went to They Frost's was through George do? | place? This be left you it He o'clock. | Ohe but we made How did out you do can, keep it in the cool and then we would sell it. We would.fill the can up and send it to Ogden to the creamery. It was so much a pound for the butterfat that was in about, $10 for a five gallon can. it, PASKETT el R: Would it go with the mail? Pi: Y@s\"the R: How P: Sometimes Mart often good R: did it you sent once solid Did would’ take it a week, to be sweet it on the train, down? =. depended crean. have it ‘and: put when on how much we'd it left, when it use; but it was got there? Pt Rt it e@uld P: It hardly days and GGGL R: I be sour. ever keep remember was it you turkeys? because it in the cooler, had turkeys, would only keep take us it in maybe two the basement was that an enterprise Well, yes, if somebody P: No, R: What were some of the things you did to take care water when you had it? Did you have a shortage? P: Well, we didn't i Would we got sell seit he it. decided them. Golde to a flowing (Tittle hay, drill well, a well sold out a flowing well, in it's it was you sold wanted to erain. buy one of the shortage the field: and three where that a dittie or and still he of drilled and flowing. Ri: When. P: Oh, it was, I imagine 1940's, but then he needed one. ‘There was a little shortage kind of a drought, so he needed another one to go> wast into that he’ Dui lt the one on runs right west side to the west side. There was a big canal, a big down through the field; and he wanted. one on irrigate elect racity? in.’ he drilled this irrigated he never his crops. So he drilled another use too some much fine crops. because it Of course took all water. We the flowing the water All his water turns on the east side of the field. He water turns there and watered the crops on that side. drilled garden, wanted he this real to. passed that’ care the not of nice away, sQuaréed was other It able was he well a real left take farm. and pumped garden besides aways "but to one creek, the and put "T° magine this was’ right after’ the 1950’s because well and put a pump on it, an electric pump , and and raised did “a? big a good this help, hay but it care of it and grain was portion of that DT soldad°?the Tield’" alone. So raised Thad’ a big a that kept Then real that's he the he — nice or whatever expense. expense to to well he When me and we took 'sell because the way owned. TI I PASKETT R: a8 Now he was a watermaster wasn't he? Ps was a watermaster. R: For ' guite Pp. Yess, R: What were P? gust e0"around’ R: Make sure, people P: Yes, time them on R: Was there ever any P: No, not that Iknow’ of, nothing Serious, nothing serious that I knew of. There's been several wells drilled since, several wells with electric pumps. Some of them have got the sprays to spray their ‘a Tew A Leng’ OT. eats? time le wag. particular and problems £E1T were involved SpddbieNitieh taking it, tell in being to take 1U the right them when conflict in their water it Creek and when to There P Yes," R: Was P: Well, and they R: The directors P: Yes. R: Tell me your life. seems to yes. the be "So, I was would They think about a the improvement light you bought you close remember after wanted? it tell they They had a drill for it. you" any about for or was | company, pay more it they had him so much it. given to directors, a month. decide? a secretary, electricity to’a were turned stumble and what and 1 can were came certain because you by when you sought a watermaster, me’ lagy lights then know as’ 1 can president, when it made water a company. hire had of job something would So you wouldn't Do don"t watermaster there a big R: a lot appointed? Well, the it | R: P: shut over water? field. you, turn. time? to take Grouse watermaster? on for could fall the came in? What in first were and extent.’ see four what Christmas like still and Tt where and appliances some effect came of you I do when stumble or five was it's fall. or that in 1951. Tn had on 1950, but Well, going light things of the things directors. was anyway. now. that that it at All you first I PASKETT re 26 A refrigerator. Then I got Then I traded my gasoline Irons, toaster, dryer, the fridge, house, Do you the you name way Well, television, clock, two stove, thrilled freezer, cause Let's I'd been see, there that we 1950, real good. They didn't I was have any up and turned them Tt. wasn't Christmas turned anyway. on. I everyone I guess. can't talked My husband deep get it.. I than for a had freeze, and push a heater. electric one. a machine lights electric button, work with it; fifty years? they particular on at a water over Describe have it was to a thrill. turned them on. fifty, wasn't I? But ceremony or anything, the dance on? we didn't but all clocks. night they turned it could night more at the dance, Eve. I think them I guess the and clocks, three light that lamp, blow it out, and Wouldn't it be if you lived about I wish range it, I tried to feelings you felt. a engine washing machine electric remember your just a is that it was they right?. good, just went it wasn't Christmas, I don't think.1t was it was the day before Christmas that they remember just about it when George, he and exactly, they saw Winfred but each Kimber it was a thrill other. were strong instigators of it. They were involved, they worked real hard, made many trips to Malta, Idaho to the Rural Electric, its headquarters is in Malta, Idaho. They made many, many trips to get that through. We had to pay, they paid interest. I don't that back as know if it was soon as $25 they got it. or .$50: to. join: Give Were they appointed by and get it or was thas the community to be the ones their own initiative? I kind think more were why It gab that looks will chose like It's help and else. of enthused appointed They were about it. I think and try certificates to because maybe pulling then for it, that's go they and one of had they reason them. our nice you. were anybody interested they Okay. than they and tape is talking run out, to you, END OF almost. hope 3 TAPE I've give you something that UTAH STATE HISTORICAL SOCIETY ORAL HISTORY PROGRAM Grouse Creek Oral Tape Amanda History Number Tanner Project 2 Paskett interviewed by Verna Kimber Richardson on December 26, 1973 UTAH STATE HISTORICAL SOCIETY 603 East South Salt beme City, Ur Temple— ..d4102. Grouse Creek Oral INTERVIEWEE: Amanda ‘Tanner INTERVIEWER: Verna Kimber Richardson Tape DATE R: OF INTERVIEW: We're This talking is Tape Richardson. before some P: to 2. Amanda The We! re on parties and of the things | 1973 Paskett. at her daughter! Ss date is December 26, going to continue dances Project Paskett. Number2 December 26, History and our things. you remembered? home in Tremonton. 1973. My name Would you like to conversation is Verna that we had add They would have masquerade balls. Everyone would mask and dress. and go and enjoy themselves until they thought they knew everyone there. Then they would unmask. Many people were fooled. I remember one night they thinking had a masquerade. up some kind My of a costume grandmother Amanda Tanner was for a crowd. They decided always to make a Catholic priest. So they made the costume for her son, Ralph Tanner. Of course, they didn't want him to go to the dance alone with a mask on so they picked. out six women to be nuns or Sisters of Charity or whatnot. They were Ella Warburton, Chloe Kimber, Olive — Tanner, Emma Lucas, Eva Sturm, and Amanda TIT was married. We didn't go too early to understood from some that Catholics wouldn't distance away and then we dance. went Tanner. This was the dance because We in. walked before we had to the dance The priest led the way. We went in pairs, the nuns following, marched around the floor a couple of times and then just stood around or sit down or whatever wanted to could have do. When someone asked them our taken. to dance, we would just shook our heads 'no,' until we unmasked. There was no one knew it was. They didn't know any of us. ‘That. was a thrili.. I was of the nuns, but it was a. thrill. Sorry we. didn't have cameras down of on some had masquerades. pictures of the rough let them go in in the ehurch. the So The church characters costumes that) let Then the time asked. them not to that were and have a Ghat out. came that they Pay mee They no, who one . so. we cut hold them. because coming masked. costume | say we would no masks } PASKETT a. Then I can remember name on it, then used to make them talking about, a bow. They would before take it to let the gentlemen my time,.the ladies the dance, put their draw for these bows. They would get their partners. Each: lady. had brought a refreshment and they would-have a refreshment and then go on dancing with the partner that they had drawn the bow for. They.called them the bow dances. That's all I can remember about that becauseI just heard about it, I never see one. ) R: Because of all these dances where they were choosing partners chance, they must have been exceptionally good sports. P: Most of them were. I have trading bows. They didn't by heard of a time or two where some of them like the partner that they had. got, they traded with someone else, which caused a little bit of feelings and = think one night caused a fight. a little bit of hurt now and again. men were There was a. fellow working for my dad.. Some of the young At the drinking, he came home with a black eye that next morning. the next morning, I put my legs he came to breakfast table when through the. back so kind. They had was something tape that? P> to I wanted other can remember Lee had. eye So he had. that or something bows that mill at. times there séen about talking it. He had it. of that a little was about of some on the about an I never did right up He it I think anything it gone. the cause you talked Can you tell me T-never a:sew. mill. them black until he was I sit was Probably the whiskey remember about that. about. this Joseph was old trouble. having you ask and there exchanging somebody been that It fT can't.’ I about with that trouble over it. That's all I can bit of of it. R: terrible Looked chair of the in see it. the pines, right. up where they could get lumber. Of course, I think, too, that there was some. lumber that.was hauled in on the train, brought from Tacoma, some of the more finishing lumber, doors and more finishing lumber like rough wood lumber floors. R: Do PB: Bowskidon't.usF R: You don't P: No, just R: you places. remember know modern when he don’ the but it or when had he of the houses discontinued had wide it? buknows reason? times. many that; They : . were hauling more r from different lumbe Now what about your experience with the railroad. particular remembrances about that? | tiny Did you have any 3 PASKETT P; Nos No, only when my dad went on his mission.) We went out from and stayed there overnight. Ogden on the railroad to Tacoma, Nevada, Uncle Joe Barlow brought the team down and got us and took us home. I do remember a little incident, staying with my mother's sister, to’ goto: me. a show She was They were walk across take or,something. going) to°’take living us to the across and the there me.) There: out across show. I stood. Iwas, We The but we went could hear rest standing: of One it time was when Saturday train. not we could tracks. a fraidy There supposed along and 1) seta night to be Well, I was the down and They He 6a40. men smoking of behind on “Lady, is train they was P: the community. Welded ‘Ghat hurt ean't industrous us, we gardens, me that. this much. it ran I was to I She got half Looked across a foot would down ahead bridge way that of went Ogden the from workmen that were The usher smoking Lucin were along going smoking, on and the bothering the in train train, on you're the came you?" "If you want want you to smoke, it." her.” off the that about vthebt drought had our I maybe afterward, and to be enough Course bridge. coming. lady doesn't this hurt than you think everything. and of ask to I wanted She 1 train." rode the that I thought train quite really was I a Lov but it. enjoyed always R: $Gbher Him. of nice don't it or get "Do said, it going railroad.bridge. cat. all than ate” smoker, in the "Oh, fraidy older a man ran across that bridge and We just got off the tracks just as into a lot I aoa’t like there out this We were decided a year the from:Ogden. He turned to those two men and he said, get was across a there.)There going two he ways, train. — hear it whistling. It came past just as we got Theat was aikind of a scary proposition; but I cat if I looked down when I was up in the air I was was Myrtle across them, across just above the tracks and down on to the railroad tracks. the train, Grr of the was always very far. cousin river me, I guess too, that happened then. Alice Hart, in Ogden. We We, went the Well, on the ties, bridge. us.) My a on ridden ever had I that time first the about was that that. I can remember in October. That was on. My dad went but can't we I that. we had But the our meat, remember went can't in debt that a remember the little too we that. like our milk, more then about were all had our hurt us too and come and depression much yes. omit .¢: Drought, depression, for things on had it effect what effect much uit thad too prepared cows, and depression the it. We our gardens out het i PASKETT There Vou was mo, What you no I don't about war. what syvyeswonEt lot of the Oh, you're think so.’ Do teok quite men the war talking in your living Not’ that I you happened young when change think the remember Well I drastic to remember to the alot. go to first about can having community of the war. the first at young They then? remenber. that started, the standards an effect, that drafted. First do time? meny,[t)took were and World quite At War. that a time, one? The First World War, yes. I think every one of them returned. One or two were wounded, but I think every one of them returned home. Some of the others, I think we lost two up in Viet Nam and we have lost one. I think to think about it, about all 1 can don't No, no, not had children. to go and that were this The First or you No. the that I the community that remember. but can't were First World you and the particular can I called is in examined, remember what anything anything and was Now Do remember or I they let remember. ready World Oh, yes, that had where you doing? good wishes They would Yes. “We all the any yes. to go and songs, sing Won't did was know him to rally observed my because husband was go because There's of when war when the Second World my was the was war war? and married a number leave the called he was quite the behind of had them over. War? War. were weren't I can remember anyway question, that's to were No, I just don't remember. Navy, joined the Navy. There That's all answer your remember. You effort that's about all. just right now to particular They had a party. patriotic the war them Be at Back I know patriotic son War was called. announced He was in programs? patriotic songs and they always gave anyone Gave them a party and sent them away with parties, songs their Till like songs and "Over There, gatherings, It's Over the Over things. They Over There." war There." learned songs? Oh, yes, everyone was patriotic. Course it was a small community and really nothing When they came home they that meant any big parades or anything. always had a big gathering and welcome home party. PASKETT 5 R: There Ps Zee. R: What about the effeet ofthe C. did that have any effect on the P: Not very much. There was two or three of the giris that kind of wanted to go down there and have the young men from there come up, the C. C. boys. They had a show once a week, they had a picture show once a week, and they were invited down. But very few of them went down there at all. | R: What was the established? P: Eten R: You P: No. too was a party then when thinking of they the left and when C. C. Camp community? community they that when returned? was that down C. C. by Lucin, Camp was ‘know. don't remember I think much. R: I remember P: Some R: I wondered P: I think of | it was the them, if the reaction? just far boys coming enough up to away that church and it didn't | Sacrament, bother them didn't they? yes. resented people the so. As long do any as they work in I this, was young to I don't think themselves behaved know. too there was any resentment R: Did the boys P: No. I don't R: Before modern transportation, before Grouse Creek's quite isolated. most people had cars, there weren'ta lot of contacts, I suppose, Now do you feel Ghat. people preferred with the outside, not @ lot. P: Lucin, but know I don't at all. they where remember worked. anything or what isolated was the Well, now, they had cars, had to They get They over used to go ‘and go. over conference over night plsys’ out. in their and then went there to for They else. were they Oakley, their Idaho, camp do you not always it's conferences. buggies with their they would go that there, a built projects? any there Was there, feeling to be before Creek? Grouse down near think? about isolated. They'd fifty They miles. go to teams. They'd have to stay Now, they used to take far. PASKETT | The. boys,,used a basketball 6 to. team. go,to,Almo.in My for a long while. They Then went to Oakley and seem R: Did too you Creek, feeling? P: I isolated have no a one really had was one of went over there in played basket ball that most wanted Course, they husband buggies. to when to move some move people away Was this feelings? your , P: After me. R: Most Pi Diep aeueieat. R: £.was generation That's ewer tO:.echool, eighth grade. of. them even you Fi: | Mee. R: Welw P: Well. make going the why I never but my in. your wanted anywhere vient. eighth to,.ask Tolks because had you, couldn't were they about. to stay else? they in had the 1t inithe same few to was the that elementary of that them had I went to did that to go the position. some work. players Grouse I wanted so oF them, automobile. some you with a higher had know, afrord Almo basketball. It didn't What just after to basketball to play there. any education. Very grade, ge of them wanted to get generation generation That's the or main Almo over School. They had to move away. Oh, I don't think maybe that they'd do better going. R: They'd the much. feeling don't know. education too their When Gr Chem that dian"? came in, do remember? me, about that. gan't, hardly one-seated, car. I Instead back and David, don't forth... Toyn. of How old were P: @iy cd. don't R: What P: Wot Bellinghams, horse Phe know. they wasn't was team, too the a steering firet he about name the 1%... of wheel one, was I was had a reaction just teoajexcited. and buggy. you, 1 it The it. I had think a stick think, first, tirst,.one, one, belonged that it was to Dave that had 1 think a one-seated they'd one. was move TVoyn, you? your and buggy know ..1, think R: was tel. gretty Fancy you upset with tossehool, car. The to those bind of good. little know going what the thrilled buggy, I Bellingham boys. cars? That's mean, I think what Were you a little... I did my the next one’ was excited? I thought courting in, little black-topped buggy with they automobile. could go fast or slow. team the a team a race I PASKETT 7 R: Do you P: Well, haying. we R: remember I all don't We P:; Well, R: What P: Yes. know, up, I about As to it, and to SO much, gone, minded, drive have a nice things like Well, now, the people It we car? was teams all were away. don't younger? stay or you | your changes? have dinner that. in electricity have they socialize as much you find they are P; Creek social when the first when we the over were time. there haying. Have srown Some dances. Once something say the are like people as a family, not doing as not in that what some gotten older that you are broken call, invite and changes? socislize, you one changes. social families a while and biggest any don't Their have what much the been they more. people of there older, to home one got over the changes change that lifetime? was working We going to describe Grouse Creek and what would you say was the biggest that’ moved they go with Grouse the the your year. in think’ got the Okay, if you were have taken place, seen you remember used wanted you've R: when social of them will and they don’t crowds and about the other generation? Do as the older did when they were | Nol becatse whae you cali’the younger, as Soon as they gev to the tenth grade then they leave and it leaves just the smaller ones. Course the Primary, they have as far as they can go, they do. But it is different because they didn't use to go away to school so early. And that has made a difference. Families with little children if "about all there 1s) you Kkrow to set out. The’ colder people,’ they Tust” don "s. R: So0°1t"s Pe eee, R: So the | really fact your Ps 2 aero. R: When they were P: eo, RY Weatls Py Yes, great the dimrnishing you generation people effect "Chats Bind 25 a that in kept . te. on was there. maybe an the a blessing community. "That's sac. Yee, eis sed. set education able to get away, Tisnel or wanted teenager right, mostly, and for you the had the means very true. then? couldn't community to, then receive because it had this it it PASKETT Re 8 l heard someone say that one speaker, a church authority, had mentioned that Grouse Creek was being reserved for some purpose. Had you heard that? l have heard, Do you I know don't yes. anything know. I about know it? that there are quite a number of the families there, just that are trying their best to pick up a little bit of ground, a little bit,of thiss:geb.a like Delma something. place Do one you there to Grouse I have these the any remember they would heard times. that anything it That a to or be maybe they there? Can cause Creek back you used hook to up visit. the I team can remember and we'd go do visit visit they twelve must be a booming place? little it, of about Creek that somewhere it. did? were anything? Do peculiar else? Kind of where they don't now days. like they should here. more call do just I was when There would be Grouse over think and it. very that didn't now a telephone got for maybe heard They used to used to visit. they don't. They don't even they've property, a booming things thinking on : I have fads just be Grouse know. particular .feotheld must want I don't established they days Course bit.of There people Creek? custom Oh, Now them. know. Was a of feel I don't you and Little miles to a often. my child, visit with But dad his sister down on the Kimber Ranch. Go down there and stay overnight and back home the next day. Go up to the Hart place and visit up there overnight. We slept on the floor, anything to visit. And always, always, on a White Christmas, Thanksgiving and that, families would get Other than together they where so much don't that might have been can you peculiar think There more. The rest of the world it's left the purpose 7, mean... don't. know, what, they,,do,.., commercialized so much any more that Christmas out. visiting, any of to that any particular community? | thing is of is what they did I don't know if they Well, like serenading and chivying and that. I never heard of anything ever did that anywhere else but out there. sleign rides, cold as Bellis. on. the horses;.in the winter, Like that... They could have a good snowball fight while they were the dickens. about. I don't know.. me about with them? very often when I was me, all those things. Can you tell experience Course, little. the I never That stores was that was away all they've from just had Grouse nature out Creek there there then and your to PASKETT rt 9 AgiFwoRlehins had’ a store. 7 think he was Thomas, he had sheep. “I guess it was more everybody that a store. Jorgenson and whatnot. he Then had he a store went from to go broke Cache and there Valley lost the first one. or less common and buy it. had a few Charlie a store there. moved theirs from across the lane in the old log house the rock house. Richinses is still standing. William had a store. store burned Which ones They had you go down. did a store to? and All of No, I didn't go to the Richinses ever remember going over there: post office right in together. now. “Me HE. from the school Describe that a frame them. I theirs “from it. What were Canned the I cereals, overalls all of they? store over across «Then they put the ‘had’ that. there is now. Yes, ‘I“used to house. building, clerked think, there a lumber Lou Catlin Lou some Cathin: of goods. flour, The groceries Kimber had Richinses over into C. Bettridges Jorgenson office. °’"He turned That's the go there. the lane. store and it I don't the They have the over Co-op. But “Just across to the Co-op Co-op. I went to the street store. It was in down. Tom them? We had the post Wakefield That's the only one Bettridges' store: it burned Then for the People their canned year's cloth. these stores had ‘I"m used or two sure you to of vegetables, weren't in of It Had him one I think quite time, a basement just Bettridges to got help that. could buy’ take supply for a store. not things goods, and day building. their flour; and wheat but at the people sometimes operation to the dry mill and would same goods, | time, get get men's were No. One right. after the other? Yes. Was the store kind What effect did it of a have Well, sometimes, yes. store and had some central on your Sometimes. get the feeding done, they'd about a bunch of young boys, all of he them: Of course place for the community personal life? cider he Then in the winter to when gather? | they'd I remember them telling go to the store. They went to the Jorgenson not too old. that had to had gone call the hard. So he was sheriff in to treating take some PASKETT 10 of tttem had to they got heme «i, They down off werei/alA of the take them home. R: (heyididn't sell hard Ps MO. R: Something he'd R: i.eeuess:,, Ei. heard 0O. wthis brothers was What did they other project anything, had Pe (OW it who had gambling. of cards, cards R:. (NO. visitors No. gambling, from Old Maid cerd P: ‘2 juss. modern R: What were year? some of P: Fourth of July always, and maybe P: that one. about got: cubpeft one there. do for talk were too about just R: What about P: Well, Christmas another one. night on in was Eve they long. 10. .1 know kids. and they'd called Up two of my or did they have and played games have the, a card any or people game. around No my family had all. kinds kinds of cards, just Table from .the.,chunch.for, celebrations Christmas, that New the things Fourth a ball everybody. Christmas, walk; .i111 like of game, what: would they do you? (Laughter) Canyon maybe for couldn't a.good.proportion,of have a big patriotic home made ice cream, races, foot the the they have at room was always a dance at 2th of July a lot of to . Oh, they would their lunches, dance one that at home. There afternoon. The fine games. Yes, I remember come just though? just social. I. know to Flinch, different | your well) would remember would they was, aictory.. and They .4 Week. R: What back then do at the stores, just visit, or anything? They never went card games going or anything? You go the and such knows. that. P: R: don't as themulauch on around. Yieremember en in .-Mverybody counter; drinks Juss. had in R: el yi) NOs ao rieht. would Years, That annually was held in Thanksgiving was .@ more the mostly night, children's dance in the times they would take a picnic that. July? program.and things like and then then they would serve Then they would that. horse races, and then a , they have were thes... a do for dance Christmas? and then Christmas night PASKETT Lik Describe the quilting that they did, describe the quilting they had and tell about the quilts, bees that They would make their quilts tops. They would piece them out of scraps of material that they had left from maybe dresses and aprons and things. like that.. Ef it was flannel, it would te out of the flannel pieces blocks and if they had. fix them all They up. would cut them and make Then sometimes they guilted them into wool. would wash the wool and quilt the wool and put the wool in until they got so they could buy wool or cotton batting somewhere else. lot of the things they bought and Sears Roebuck. like that was sent Then they would get it, to Montgomery it'd come They A Wards by mail, then they would pack their guilting frames. They. would. pry them onto a chair and fix them; and then would invite the ladies to come. They would have their quilt already to go to work, and they would quilt as long as they could, as long as it took to. finish it. They would serve lunch to them; and they enjoyed it. Nearly everyone would quilt. ‘Course now days it"s a lost art, ‘almost, to quilt. But we used to do that. time again. while we were different in school. We patterns. a loom, Cook had a rag bee, mother went quilting time and and used someone a loom. to some real weave Did the the she But Well, rug, to weave carpet. sew carpet rags, carpets bring her the and they of she'd came would Did most make and have or of people the to them? rags, carpet rags, sew them. and whatnot, she Ward whatever ‘her everyone yards carpet, sell rags They'd from Montgomery tear whatnot or somewhere; and they other then helped their do own and had the rags people paid the her or nice quilts, They would the rags were not in linoleum. always Oh, they backwoodsmen. sew they'd bought ‘fox. they just work have my mother a many pounds to to her and she carpets, and have then she would the and ‘bring her the warp. wanted a few rag bee, tear make so many would do the the yards work. then? They'd put straw They had the homemade carpets. apart from the dirty floor boards, rough boards. bringing go ordinarily? Maybe would did for rags, rags. she When she got so would take them have and had one. She used they would make them. This is calleda rag bee. When they got them all, Wind them into balls, take them to the loom. I guess she her warp time Sometimes she took us with her. Sometimes she'd You mentioned Lizzie I know my a little advanced under Then them, keep them they'd started everytime. They PASKETT KR: lee People lay their own linoleum? LCS. Oh. Put newspapers and On Lt toe much. things under I don't remember that. Was laying carpets and linoleum a trade? it tO ‘eins the most of the work and papering and eS boards from wearing that was done, that, was this like usually Well, now, Then John Hadfield a paper hangers and. he would take a first came from England, he was job and he would Dane Dae... But come think painting, they Yes. too, he never had I remember did outside when that. laborers they painted in, some is of our that right? house, brick house. People. come. in from Idaho, George Crofts. was one of. them. I don't remember them all but George Crofts stayed right there at the house, painted the house. There was another one. I can't remember his name. He was just a young fellow. He was helping George paint. One night we was sitting there around the table playing cards, just heving: fun, 'Mulligan's in the south of us that you repeat (cough) but You're No. and grapes are are "IT bet very better.'" fine Well, you. can't grapes, we all could say it. like he did. Did it after me, Mulligan's grapes the grapes supposed Okay, he said, you to that say, repeat grow in the "Repeat it Go Mulligan's grapes are the south are better. very fine (grapes You 7 did. on. didn't You'll have There was Oh, I see. It just You've When ado ait Tike a to tell cough tickled me in him just the dike grapes took a turn. you are me," 1 do. that Wasn't grow because are better. is and repeat that it like , but the grapes couldn't gat any of us right? I did. that Come grow catch. a kid. since he when your any get the pitch? Now, very fine grapes, there. remembered that I was the ahead but south after it. say. this house was to painted? cough. in. PASKETT 13 R: Do you remember any natural disasters that was out there? Were there any floods or any particular years when there were bad storms or any— thing? P: The lightening R: \Did 20 bugn P: No, it was three that they had roof back on, me come to up to R: Can P: There the town, taken out a picture up from Salt deliver it, of the got floods. pretty dangerous put Lake. on it was I went telegram one year. up that some put burned. it Was there I don't think a time deliver that any anybody a message had come rebuilding Course they but to wood it. put they've had to move haya time or two. out, R: What P: Ghy him. I've the fixed R:; When was P: No, I don't If I had my remember the year. I wasn't history minded then, history book here, IT cauld tell you 4a lot of that. R:. Dor “a*Lot"or rt Monave a Lor R: Now that P: I R: Well, I P: I've got R: What about P: Well, but it caused the floods? cloud you have is one? bursts, that? don't there the of wrreven book down that whether I you that Was smallpox. like that. them diseases. book the year? there was a flood. saw? or the , “Lee when did had in I guess. not cause I pictures | in wasn't it. Do there. you have another books. had one remember thar epidemics? every. was you “Covered tne it written one two they Nearly or in saw etorms. Do remember and things some out He. was of the burnt way, or floods? ever or two. two It took there. up to showing was good, other? still in house. They. were when it Just or something. or something and he was house you remember any was burned it burned the upstairs.-. that of his patched it better. It siding burned material with had it house. ago they had that got house and to. the ground? a lot of that I went Frosts' a two-story years boarding struck family had But diptheria. any Course way epidemics? they had they had them. or two, this had there Oh, I early They measles smallpox one had can't think when they scarlet and whooping time. of first fever. any It was others. moved out Nearly cough terrible. Oh, there, all child's PASKETT 14 R: What were the procedures when they had they do to take care of them? Ps: Lydons Ae ee Pe 1a. iu bel. Rs Yes, you mentioned Phillip P: Yes, he R: There was Pe hy ORCSS1 000. R: Okay, thinking back now on all the time that you've lived in Grouse Creek, what would you say is the most difficult thing about living eee they Gate P: nn think there Peace and for it, was L da date get in .What did on. that. Paskakt what would be the most I don't epidemics? ofPioert of the no treatment he had I guess, at difficult anything that that. authority to time? thing? difficult about it to me. It never was difficult, not a bit. Well, I was used to it. I was born there. i couldn't see anything difficult abeut it.. [ still ean’t.: Probably if I ever get over this maybe I'1l have a little difficulty, maybe There then, away from me. They won't let me wouldn't be anything that you'd particularly while you were raising your family? want think that there was. Course if we'd have by, why, that could have been different. a car. to change, had another R: You think Bigh echeol. have been nicer It would have maybe to given more of have them a another school? chance. mr Pee that would ott ent No. I éantt gehool close drive eae R: my car don’t. a they'll take But I realiy P: ' oprah a Justice quarantine. there, slidably dag hein: a, was these you ever have P: Wo. 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