Andrea interview transcript

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This transcript was exported on Dec 03, 2021 - view latest version here. Jayden (00:00): Hello to anybody who's listening to this cause I'm not sure who it is. My name is Jayden. I am one of the students from the university of Utah participating in our borders and migration project. Now I get to have a super cool conversation with my friend, Andrea. So yeah, this is very, I'll let her kind of introduce herself a little bit. Kind of explain who she is. Andrea (00:27): Awesome. Thanks Jayden. So my name is Andrea Rivera. I am a daughter to immigrants who moved here to the United States. I'm a second generation, I guess. I am actually a recent college grad from the university of Utah. And well I guess to explain, my dad is from Peru and my mom's from Argentina and they actually met in Miami, Florida, or they were both living here when they were in their twenties and got married, had me, and we'll go into more detail later, but essentially went back to Peru for a while. Now we're back here. Migrated to Utah about 13 years ago, 14 years ago. And I've been living in Salt Lake ever since. Andrea (01:22): Yeah. cool. So really quick. So even though I don't really understand this timeline, even though like I've known you for years is because Andrea is the oldest of three siblings and she has a younger brother, Georgia and Mika. And so you and Georgia were both born in Miami, which I just learned. And then Mika was born in North Carolina. And then how old, like, like how much time was still spent in the U S before you guys went back to Peru with your mother's family? Andrea (01:54): Yeah, that's a great question. So when when my, so my parents married when they were 25 years old and they, they got married here in Miami. They had me when my mom was 27. And then my brother was two years after that. So she was like 29 years old. And during that time they really loved life in Miami. But then my dad got an opportunity to work for his dad's company in Peru. So he had like a bunch of farm over there, like farm land. And one of his main products was asparagus and he wanted my dad to manage the area. But also wanted my dad to kind of come back and mend their relationship. They had had some issues and he was just like, come here, work under me. You'll have a great job, I'll set you up. Andrea (02:45): And they were like, okay, I think this, this makes sense for us right now. So they moved back to Peru when I was, you know, about two, three years old and my brother was brand new, so moved back. And then my mom got pregnant while she was in Peru. But my brother and I had already, you know, been born here, like natural born citizens. Yes. She wanted the same thing for my sister because my sister was just going to be able to just have a Peruvian passport. So my mom, actually, while we were all living in Peru, packed to the states by herself while she's pregnant. And she lived in North Carolina for a couple months. This was like 2000. Well, it was technically 1999. My sister was born January 1st, 2000. So this was before nine 11. So there was a little bit less like security precautions and things like that. Like, you know, but like, especially like pregnancy, I don't know how the rules are now. They might be stricter, but yeah, she just went back, essentially had my sister was able to just become American and then flew back with my sister back to Peru. Yeah. Jayden (04:00): Migration Oral History (Completed 12/03/21) Transcript by Rev.com Page 1 of 11 This transcript was exported on Dec 03, 2021 - view latest version here. Why North Carolina? [inaudable] Why not back to Miami? Andrea (04:05): That's a great question. So I don't know all the details. I'm assuming that there was somebody that she knew in North Carolina, like a friend or something that just had to be there and was like, this is a great situation. Yeah. You should come and live here. Yeah. Cause yeah, we've had, I mean, we, all their friends that they knew were kind of all over the place, so that must've been the connection. Jayden (04:30): I've always wondered that. I Was like North Carolina, so random. Andrea (04:32): Yea it really is random. Jayden (04:34): Okay. And then, so Mika was born and then obviously they both went back to Peru. And you were, how old were you and me who was born? Four, three? Andrea (04:43): About four years old. Okay. And then you moved to south Salt Lake area when you were. Andrea (04:49): Nine years old. About to turn 10. Jayden (04:53): So what was your first like, cause you came right into like school here and everything like that. Like what were your first grade? Andrea (05:03): Yeah, it's crazy. So I, I kind of did like an extended third grade in Peru because the seasons are different when it's winter here. It's summer there. So actually when I came to the states, it was time for fourth grade, but they were already halfway through fourth grade by the time I got there. So I jumped right in. It was December. So I, yeah, pretty much like half of the school year already had already passed Jayden (05:32): Passed. Yeah. Yeah. So you did a full third grade there? Andrea (05:35): I did a full third grade and then came here for the rest of the fourth grade. So I never got the beginning of my fourth grade education, but I don't think it affected me that much. And luckily for the most part, Jayden (05:48): Yeah, it seems like you're doing fine it was non-essential. Migration Oral History (Completed 12/03/21) Transcript by Rev.com Page 2 of 11 This transcript was exported on Dec 03, 2021 - view latest version here. Andrea (05:48): I will say when, when I first came, obviously my parents did kind of throw us right in. What did help is that I, one of my classes in Peru was learning English. So coming into it, it's not like I knew zero words, but I really didn't know how to communicate with people. Like growing up. Like my parents knew better English, so whenever they'd fight and wouldn't want us to know what we're saying, they would fight in English. And so I didn't quite understand everything. So coming into it, it was just like, wow, snow never felt that before. I had no idea how, I didn't know how to dress. Didn't know how to talk to people. I had no friends, didn't know how to read in English, like all that. So it was all new Jayden (06:28): That's, that's wild I've heard this story in different facets before, but not like that. And it's because incurring like just to make sure I'm straight on this, the holidays are different. Like how, like the school year goes here. So summer break, you have like year round school, then a summer break. Is that the same in Peru so obviously you're sort of break those no longer in June. It's in December. Is that the same concept? That's why you already finished a full year of school. Andrea (06:54): That's exactly what it is. So it's kind of similar schedule that you'd get a summer break, but our summer break, I believe it's kind of like December to like February is summer Jayden (07:06): That's such a weird-well not weird, but Andrea (07:08): It's weird when like you, yeah, you, this is the reality that we live in is this is summer. So then when that switches, so Jayden (07:17): Yea because then you have all the major holidays, custom major holidays and your summer break, like Andrea (07:21): Yeah. That's interesting. So yeah. So that's why Christmas is the same time as summer. It's kinda, it kind of kicks off the summer breaks. It's Christmas. Yeah. Cool. Jayden (07:31): And was it pretty typical that this cause like you say, like we were talking about going to school in lake in Lima, right? This is Andrea (07:37): So yes and no. So yeah, we lived in Trujllo, which was a small beach town. That was about a like eight hour, nine hour drive from the city from Lima. Oh yeah. So I lived in a small beach town, most of my childhood, but then I guess this is actually a really good part of the story where, so my parents, when they decided to move back to the states. When I was nine they didn't just want us to all go at once and then not have everything figured out as far as job and housing and everything. So they actually moved to Migration Oral History (Completed 12/03/21) Transcript by Rev.com Page 3 of 11 This transcript was exported on Dec 03, 2021 - view latest version here. the states first and they will originally tried to like start maybe something in Texas. So they, they had a couple jobs in Texas like just waitressing, figuring it out and until they finally figured out in Utah. But so for, for a whole year, I didn't live with my parents. I lived in Lima with my grandma and my uncle and my third grade education was in the city and Lima. But the rest of the time I was in Trujillo, so I lived a year without my parents while they were in America trying to figure stuff out. And then once they figured that out, then the three of us flew to Utah Jayden (09:00): Oh wow, okay. Okay. So in so prior to living in Lima, then were you also, was it also like common for kids to learn English or is it more so in the big, like in that bigger city, like living in Lima? Andrea (09:14): Yeah. It's, it's pretty common in most schools, what's different from Peru and the United States is the education here. It's mostly public schools and it's kind of like everybody is essentially required to go to school in some capacity. And then you do get those options of some private schools and charter schools in Peru. It's mainly like private schools and you're not going to get a really good education unless you're paying some good money for a good school. There is some like private schools that are a little bit cheaper, but that's going to be like very low income, no English taught, like they're not as good of an education system. So most families try to go for like the schools that have like some kind of backing. Like my school was like a British school, so it's called Fleming college. And so half of your classes are like in English because they try to instill that really easy. So essentially a lot of privilege comes from also having that education in English and being able to speak both. So you'll see, you'll see that more in middle and higher income, rather than low income. So yeah. So that's it. So the privilege goes hand in hand with the education. Jayden (10:32): That makes sense. Like even my brother, he, like, he's taken Spanish immersion program here, which is definitely a privilege. Most kids do not get to do that. Like even, even here I believe this different, cause it affects it differently. And it was part of his public school. Like we did not have to pay the minimum in school for that. But he did the same thing though. Like where half a day was in English, half was in Spanish. But he did that starting from kindergarten. So his early education all the way to we're going to say third grade, cause that's where like that's where you had it until like we could not have fluffed him out of that and say, okay, you only get to speak Spanish. And like everybody around him is gonna speak Spanish. Like we could not have flunked him out and done that. Side-By-Side comparison was like similar like language educations, but like yours got thrown into high drive Andrea (11:23): All of a sudden they went from level one to level a hundred, Jayden (11:27): Kind of like, everybody's been speaking that before they know how to speak. Andrea (11:32): Yeah. So very early on, I was in those ESL classes where they pull you out and teach you. So I definitely had that pretty much until I got to middle school was being pulled out. Like I remember in sixth grade Migration Oral History (Completed 12/03/21) Transcript by Rev.com Page 4 of 11 This transcript was exported on Dec 03, 2021 - view latest version here. being pulled out of class to work on my reading, because well, all the kids like, you know, like there's always, you know, the sixth grade students that are like Harry Potter and chapter books and they're killing it. I was a student that was not there. Like I was so behind on my reading. So that was something where I needed to catch up. Yeah. Jayden (12:02): Okay. That makes sense. And then, cause Mika, when she moved, she would have been in kindergarten. Right? So she didn't basically, when do you start schooling in Peru? Like, is it the same? Andrea (12:15): It's around the same. We kind of, we have like the same kind of idea of like preschool and we have preschool like pretty early on there's options to start early. So she did some preschool, but yeah, almost all her education was in in the states. So she had actually a different experience from me where it was like she was learning right alongside with everybody. So she kind of had like, she never was behind essentially for the most part compared to me that was just like more hill. Yeah. Georgo was kind of a mix of both, but yeah, I definitely had it, the toughest in that sense. Jayden (12:50): Okay. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Okay. So just to shift gears a little bit, because again, I don't know a lot about this, but it's interesting is like your family's background where your mom's from Argentina, your dad's from Peru, but you were telling me some lines of getting citizenship are changing. Like, can you tell me a little bit about that? Andrea (13:09): So we, as we talked before, pretty much, I guess now I've realized that we're just an immigrant family. Like it's just in our blood, I guess. So starting from my dad's side, his his grandpa yeah, his grandpa, my great grandpa. My great-grandpa essentially was an Italian citizen. So he was from the middle east. So, so my my, my dad's mom, her name, her maiden name is Bonocetti, very Italian. Jayden (13:42): Yeah, very Italian Andrea (13:42): So they immigrated to Peru and there's a, there's a lot of Italians, but especially Spanish, Spain immigrants in Peru especially in the city of Lima. So the immigrated there and my, my grandma from my dad's side met my grandpa who was a little bit more, he had more Peruvian native in him. So even his skin was a little bit darker and that was actually an issue at first. My grandmakind of had to fight for my grandpa because everybody in her family was like, he's too needed. Like we don't know, like, you know, a little bit racist in that sense. I've just like, oh, we don't know about this guy, but they ended up, you know, getting married and everything and then had my dad. And so so my dad's got that Italian citizenship side of him and also that Peruvian side, he grew up in Peru, all of his life until college. Andrea (14:37): He decided he wanted to study abroad. And so he went to Florida International University and got a business degree and loved life so much in Florida that he was like, I want to stay here. And that's kind of Migration Oral History (Completed 12/03/21) Transcript by Rev.com Page 5 of 11 This transcript was exported on Dec 03, 2021 - view latest version here. how his side came about. My mom, it's, it's kind of a mix. So she's got a little bit of Peruvian in her too, because my, my mom's mom, so my grandma she's mostly Peruvian, but my grandpa is his whole wine is from Argentina. And so they, they met pretty early on in life when my grandma was also living in Argentina and they got married there, had my mom and her three other siblings. But then after all that time in Argentina, my my grandparents split up and my grandma was mostly left with raising my mom and her siblings. So I think because of that that was a lot of pressure and she wanted to have more family nearby, so they decided to move to Peru. Andrea (15:43): So my mom moved to Peru when she was 16 with her own family. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, it was her, my grandma and all the siblings and everything like that. And and yeah, we kind of joked about it, but my, my parents actually, without knowing each other lived very parallel lives, like one of my mom's cousins went to the same school that my dad went to and all his sisters. So it's always been connected, but they didn't actually meet until they both moved to Peru. So my mom was actually a flight attendant. So she went from flying just across all of South America to flying back and forth between the states and Peru. And she loved that. So she just kind of kept getting that exposure, kept getting that exposure and loved it so much that she was like, it made Miami her base pretty much for her travels and, and yeah, that's how they met there. Jayden (16:40): That's wild. I didn't really, I didn't know that that's how, that's how I thought. I didn't know she did school like, or your dad or it's cool. Sweet. and just out of curiosity, does since your dad has the dual citizenship with Italian and Peru citizenship, does he ever like like use, like how does, how does that affect him? Like how does he use that? Andrea (17:01): Yeah, definitely. I think just accessibility to other countries and because sometimes there's places where it it'll, it'll be better for him to use Peru. Obviously if he's going to Peru, it's just an easier process for him just because he's a citizen, or whatever. But if he, I know he recently got to travel to Europe two years ago, I guess, right before the pandemic. I was like, when did that happen? But yes, he got to travel to Europe and it's just a lot easier for him to use his Italian passport. And I believe actually, maybe even when he was kind of flying to the states, it was probably easier for him with Italy as well. Potentially, but definitely. Yeah, but definitely for Europe, that's helpful. So, Jayden (17:45): Yeah. Has he ever like gone back and like connected with any of that, like Italian family or is it more just like that his passport has come in handy for traveling? Andrea (17:54): Yeah, most, mostly the travel thing. He hasn't been able to, to reconnect. I did do the, the 24 and me test and I found out like, what what lines still lives in, in Italy a little bit, but we haven't really reconnected, but that'd be really cool. I would love to maybe when I get to go to Italy at some point. Jayden (18:18): Migration Oral History (Completed 12/03/21) Transcript by Rev.com Page 6 of 11 This transcript was exported on Dec 03, 2021 - view latest version here. Yeah. And you were mentioning the the five-year generational things. I don't know if it was during this or before a forward something, but like five generations can benefit from the Italian citizenship thing. Like you can catch up on that. Andrea (18:31): Yeah, exactly. So yeah. Five generations you're the last before the cutoff. Yeah. So after this, I don't think my kids will be able to get Italian citizenship unless they like lived there somehow, but yeah. Jayden (18:44): Cool. Okay, cool. And so that, I don't think, is there anything else specifically you want to touch on about just like your family's immigration patterns and where moved and come from, so anything else you want to touch on for that? Or I can Andrea (19:07): We can move on Jayden (19:08): I just want to make sure I was like okay. So I kind of wanted to move into more the kind of like the big picture, like what this all means for you, for your family, especially because you guys do still have such strong connections in Peru, like all most all of your extended family is in Peru, right? Andrea (19:27): Yeah. So I guess one thing, yeah, one thing I could mention was like not only did then my parents move to the states, but one of my dad's sisters, she actually moved, she studied abroad in the US before my dad did. So that kind of gave him the inspiration and she she actually ended up just staying in Miami. So she's lived in America the longest, like she's been there since the eighties, you know, so yeah, Miami's been her home and then I have another aunt who is from my mom's side, who moved to Texas and she's been there for, for a long time as well. So we have that, but then, yeah, after that, that's immediate family after that, almost everybody else is in Peru and Argentina still definitely have a lot of family there. Jayden (20:14): Yeah. And how, like, I know you go back and trial, like visit or they'll come and visit here for Peru. Like your family from Peru. Do you guys ever, like, I know your mom does a little bit goes back to Argentina. Right. Cause I know she traveled recently. I want to say it wasn't new. I thought it was her. Andrea (20:31): Yeah. Yeah. Well, she's, she goes to Peru too because her mom still lives there from that time when she moved, when, when my mom was 16. But she's also gone to Argentina a couple of times to visit cousins. She actually, my mom is does like coaching, like leadership coaching. She did a whole, like three month course where she lived in Argentina for three months. So she's yeah, she loves it. Jayden (21:00): Okay, cool. So going off of that I guess my next question is kind of, how did or has, or continues to, like, how does your family continue to have,ua community like find a community here once they immigrated? Uso how did it, did they originally, how do they maintain that today? Migration Oral History (Completed 12/03/21) Transcript by Rev.com Page 7 of 11 This transcript was exported on Dec 03, 2021 - view latest version here. Andrea (21:26): Great question. Well, I think it all started from when they decided Utah also, like I mentioned, first, they were trying Texas. They knew they kind of didn't want Miami again, cause that was like their party early years. So they were like, we want somewhere, a little quieter for the kids. Andrea (21:41): Yeah. Andrea (21:43): So they got a connection. They found out that there was another Peruvian guy who was living in Utah and his kids and everything. And he was a real estate agent and he pretty much just called my dad up and was like, Hey, I can show you the ropes great career. It's where it's going really well. Like I can help you out. And so that's kind of they came out here, tried it out and was like, I think this is the move we like Utah. So that's all that happened. So immediately from that, it was already because of that connection that Utah's decided. And from him, they were able to meet other like Peruvians other Latinos. And that was like where they could find that comfort because this was so strange, different culture didn't know how to interact with, with people in the same way or, you know, customs. Andrea (22:30): So it was always that safe place of, oh, we have this like Peruvian community so that got started pretty quickly. Like from the second I was here, we were, you know, going to house parties with like all the, all the kids that were also Peruvian that were here, all the families. I told you earlier, but for independence day for Peru on the 28th of July we would like go to a park. We'd all dress up, you know, and like Peru jerseys or whatever, we'd bring food, have activities, have music have dancing. And that was kind of our way of building our own, our own community here in our, our safe place. Cause we were everywhere else. It was like a different culture, different thing in school. It was a whole different life. But then this was like our safe place where we could just continue to, to have those customs, Jayden (23:15): Especially like, that's, I feel like that's so important just to give context for like where you live and grow up, like in Utah, where even where I grew up, like suburbs, very like just cookie cutter, like white Utah families. And like here being like, we have a super dominant religion. It's Mormonism. It's very, it's great. But so like that whole just creates a different culture. That's like everything it looks the same. I feel like. So I feel like having a community could almost be like a, like a saving grace, like having be able to establish a community, having one it's almost a given when you came here because of that Peruvian connection. I can't imagine that. Andrea (24:01): Yeah. Now that you actually mentioned religion, I mean, we went from in Peru, the, the it's kind of like the way that Mormon religion is so dominant here is the way Catholicism is in South America. And so coming here, we were also, it was also a minority in that sense of what religion we belong in. And it was like, oh, well not everybody's Catholic, but that also actually did create a safe space where every Sunday we attended a Spanish mass. So we'd be surrounded again by, by Latinos, Mexicans, everything. And that was, my mom is very into her faith. So that was also a place where she could build connections. She Migration Oral History (Completed 12/03/21) Transcript by Rev.com Page 8 of 11 This transcript was exported on Dec 03, 2021 - view latest version here. started volunteering for the church working for the church. That was a huge part of her life and our kind of like assimilation in Utah. Yeah. That was yeah. Very important. Yeah. Jayden (24:46): Yeah. Okay, cool. And that was, I remember you saying that the big cathedral downtown, is that where you're like, is that like, is that where you guys went? The, you, this, the Spanish mass is that where it was? Andrea (24:59): That was our main place. There was another church that kind of opened during my middle school years that was closer to home, but we already had, had built that relationship with the Catholic church here, which is, you know, kind of in charge of all the other Catholic churches in Utah. And my mom ended up working at the, at the cathedral here. So yeah, that was our main place and where we were almost every Sunday Jayden (25:24): And before the one opened that was close to you guys was that literally the closest option? That's not close. Andrea (25:30): No, it was not there. Yeah. There was definitely other churches that Jayden (25:34): I don't like when the Spanish mass like and everything like, or was that specifically to that one. Andrea (25:39): Right. So actually there is such a big, especially Mexican culture here that most churches and also because most Latinos are also Catholic. And so almost, no, actually I shouldn't say almost, I'm pretty sure every Catholic church in the valley had at least one Spanish mass study. Like it's almost a requirement for like the priests coming in to know how to speak Spanish almost they have another like Spanish speaking person. Jayden (26:08): Okay. That's cool. I was, I, I did not know that. Okay, cool. So that is how, kind of like some of your story memories along with finding community after immigrating here. I'm also curious a little bit, as far as I just like, what you, what you noticed or any memories attached to like, I guess the attitude toward immigration and just like, as you're living here, like, like what would say is your, like your sense of like, of the attitude towards immigration once you've been here? Does that make sense? I don't know. Andrea (26:53): That's a good question. I think it's, it's very, it's very interesting because it all depends on context and kind of like, you know, like in what kind of climate we're in as far as like presidential elections and things like that. Like I just remember, I guess in high school, when it was the election between Obama and I guess it was like McCain back then, like his first, his first run. 2008, I think it was McCain. Right. Or was it somebody else Migration Oral History (Completed 12/03/21) Transcript by Rev.com Page 9 of 11 This transcript was exported on Dec 03, 2021 - view latest version here. Andrea (27:23): I was in middle school. I believe I was in eighth grade, something like that, but I just remember it, there was a big fight. One of the big issues was immigration. And I do remember, I think, especially some patron maybe towards like more Mexican because of, you know, like the whole border thing. They're the closest there's, there is a big Mexican immigration. I remember some comments from classmates being like pretty negative. And it was kind of sometimes off-putting, which is it's interesting because I'm not Mexican, but I feel like just being Latino in general. So yeah, you can kind of get lumped in. And so sometimes I would be like, well, I mean, what's, what's the difference between that and you know, somebody, you know, my country's just a little bit further down, but it's an interesting mix where if, you know, I talked about being Argentine and Peruvian it's, it's like, oh, that's a really cool thing. Andrea (28:19): That's different, that's new. But then it's like, what is that? If I, if my parents were Mexican, then it's not cool. Like I could, I can just see sometimes there was some kind of hostility towards that, but it was just from the fact that they just didn't even know any experiences, any stories from people. And so it was like, somehow my, my like story of my family was cool, but then somebody else's story was not cool and it was bad that they had moved here. So it was very interesting seeing the juxtaposition of the two, I think for the most part, especially now, people appreciate, I think, you know, like most immigrants in general. And I think the more we go on in this country, I feel like there's less like, you know like resistance or like hatred as more people try to understand and hear stories. But I feel like there is still some kind of like push back from it. Jayden (29:19): The fact that it's still a conversation and like politics today, it's not a solved issue. Exactly. Obviously everybody gets to have their opinion on. Andrea (29:27): Definitely. So I think I think it's almost weird that like, because I, I have more like the art in time side, it's, it's a cool thing rather than a bad thing, but it shouldn't be that way at all, if that does that kinda make sense? Jayden (29:42): Yeah. Feeling connection to it, but also like yeah, like the differences between the two. But, and then just really quick, last question. You said earlier, like you kind of have come from a family of very diverse, like family of immigrants, like that is just like from both siddes of your family. Like that's the thing that's been true on both sides. I guess, how do you feel like that's affected you? Like, like in the, in the big picture of it, like as you move forward with your life and figure out what you're doing after college or where you want to end up or like yeah. Like how, how do you feel like that's affected you having that type of history and experiences from both? Andrea (30:24): Yeah, that's a, that's a great question. I think the way what, what a big sentiment, sometimes I think it's a positive and a negative thing, depending on what kind of mindset you want to have about it. Like a big sentiment for a lot of immigrants. I feel like, especially in my generation where I wasn't the one that directly immigrated, but I'm second generation. And I, I feel, you know, obviously I feel America and Migration Oral History (Completed 12/03/21) Transcript by Rev.com Page 10 of 11 This transcript was exported on Dec 03, 2021 - view latest version here. everything like that, but it's kind of like, you got to be in two places. Like you're not completely Peruvian. You're not completely American. So sometimes that can be isolating. I think growing up, sometimes it was especially being in a dominant, you know, white culture, Mormon culture, where it was like, all my friends had these activities and these things that I wasn't a part of. And I didn't understand. Andrea (31:08): And so it wasn't that, but then at the same time, every time I did go back to Peru was like, I'm different. I'm a little weird just because I also don't have that culture side. I don't, you know, my Spanish is good, but I don't know all the slang that's coming up. Like, I don't know all the details. So I'm also an outsider in that realm. Sometimes it did feel like I was kind of an outsider in both worlds, but at the same time, the other side of is actually the biggest, the most positive is I feel like I've been able to have such a like worldly perspective and empathy for people that some people that just grew up in one place aren't able to have, or don't quite understand. So I feel really grateful that I've been able to see like, you know, very like tough hardships of people's life, different ways of living. Andrea (31:56): Just I know different cultures and I'm able to connect with more people that way. Like I feel, I feel like I just, it helps me see the world in maybe a different way. And I like, I like that. And I now kind of in life, I feel like there are options of like, wherever I live, I feel like I'm going to find a community because my parents have done it before, I've done it before. And that that's exciting. I feel like just it's in my blood, I guess, to go out somewhere and figure it out. And I know I can do that. And and yeah, so I really liked that side and I feel like that's the side that wins out now. I feel like as a kid, it was definitely more isolating before, but now I'm just like, I'm so grateful because Andrea (32:39): I've been able to travel outside of the country when most people, like a lot of people haven't. Jayden (32:43): Traveled live, like speaking multiple languages, having a whole breadth of experiences that like I've traveled before, but not, I, my job is not compared to yours. Like, just because of how, like in depth it is and how yeah. And I don't speak the language. Like those are two examples where that is so cool. Ubut okay, cool. I think that is it. We did great on time. Ubut sweet. Thank you so much. Andrea (33:16): Of course, thanks for having me. Migration Oral History (Completed 12/03/21) Transcript by Rev.com Page 11 of 11