Jan Tyler Oral History Interview (1)

First oral history interview of Jan Tyler by Marilyn Warenski about status of women in Mormon culture.

utah State Historical Society 603 East South Temple Salt Lake City, Utah 84102 ORAL HISTORY PROGRAM UTAH WOMEN'S PROJECT INTERVIEWEE: Jan Tyler INTERVIEWER: Mari Iyn Warlnski SUBJECT: Mormon Women Mi I ton Bennion DATE OF W: T: INTERVIEW: 1975 Jan, let's begin by having you tel I your background Okay. I was My parents I am in born are Los Shirley father went Angeles, Blackmur eight into the Navy, my growing up because we moved lot af,ter my a a days remember too most of your life We and and my I ived we a little bit about father got much, you know, moving. father there Idaho September, lOth of is Arloid just moved to Twin in the State of lot, (laughter) Spent yourself, Cal ifornia the Tyler chi Idren. Really, just don't about and education. the oldest of and my W: October 29, Hall, University of Utah Campus are a couple a Fal Is, of and years Idaho. kind of blur back when the it seemed Tyler, 1942. like war we was were over. moving 2 TYLER T: Yeah. grade, seventh and the rest of the time I grader, because I sitting decided that feeling thing to "Man nor was things a like that, is going after that go away to col I I was on my day in decided much made it and do, desperation I'd drop year I I knew wrote col really or lege the I had a something motto which I were sti I I was And that's in it high school time came Brigham Young University. (laughter) institutions my first few years, me through went was really but crisis a working, holding uncertain was wanted my education. letter to my a -- life, and friends of my and then really I home kind of very active it, because I up my mind that's what that help able to favorite "kick" and that any other were though out of is was to go to school. I Iy my brave decided to go to I worth even a government, My junior was I have had. were trying and letter from her which saying lege, own. wanted to I I upon seventh getting my education." from and student parents And my about what I me none little extra a didn't know that there to decide whether one stop sports jobs, I'm not whether, a fami I up in Walla Walla. under my our deep down, decided need I determination that down several this to and was wanted to do with know money of education. pretty I pretty, I don't times when At that time her that about what I day and grew spent when in was So, was one junior high And in actually Finally decided lege. myself in music groups and trying thinking our I me decide, especially that young, because the kind of to between was wanted to go to col I about for high school and that year that was there that that talking use it park that in the was junior high -- think, the most significant year for It was, tree la, Washington. moved to Walla Wal we That's when for himself. into business he went Unti I and go to mother, Beauty wanted to do, -- School. and then only encouragement wasn't encouraged by my parents and told I that had got reca very wei I II may 3 TYLER T: and really shook really what I want to do? I I after all, really had And never thought though I even had five younger sisters and a knew and this was Speech, in majored of I she letter, said, and would be good practice junior year, I it just Is that it that way. mother to reconsidered and second semester my nursing out of (laughter) me. recal I And that's al I life?" rest of your the women I encouragement real said, "Jan, do you really want to cater to the vanity it my mother in of other so only but the have been, at it, and on, transferred graduated Drama and Music and sti I I in four years. \ \ W: Let interrupt. me Did you have You mentioned music T: Yes. and I I always had a sung in groups sang couple in in training musical some on an instrument? of times. our fami Iy junior high there and was high always school. a singing, lot of also took I piano lessons from Audra Orden and also studied from the Whitman Col lege Conservatory you've W: So T: And then there in Walla Walla. had considerable music played he'organ I Seminary, about 5:00 would to the bui get had to the when learn it in the Iding, training. morning and I'd and go down And there my own. morning trying to figure everything went into music, I took piano before had organ never on I used to for the church. was some out. from Dr. get up before anybody lessons, agonizing so hours else I just early But, then I did, yes, DeYoung at BYU and also in 4 TYLER T: studied with Helen Richards in my woman Helen Richards? T: Helen Richards I before so in I was me as and got very close We Yes. was. concerns they beginning wei I I as to have officer an political a practicing as on found out that her, and we what the results of together minds nobody else, were I things that semester Salzburg, Austria, wei I in the surgery and W: Not T: Very ,much, very let Europe only me die after I get and and that about the doing exploratory to be because found out that I closer even us hearts and our and didn't know we this drew going through same so was our became very, we going to get the with the BYU group their first so I was things very anxious for to go everything. did you want to much. I study to going so same About the end of my quite understand, Also about that time to go to and encouraged and she major surgery were lot of the a Young Republicans, in the frightened were felt could we they both very opportunity in important very And also the year else. had to have surgery would be, our because the very close. a and shared awareness, everything and time she found out she did too, and surgery was mostly political. were had been very active senior year She life. W: kinds of voice at BYU. -- live, you wanted to go to Europe! In fact, back from d1id go to Europe and study in I kind of Europe, Salzburg -- if I'm going 1'1 I die happy. said, then (laughter) music and took some to die, please But, so pol itical I 5 TYLER T: I experience think that totally changed I began life and my my including religion. education without a learned landmark perception of what had War, the time that there were concentration camps and whi Ie people determined that was if lived I me. I devalue them. tried to with col a place get So that a lege of my potential job and was no a birth, and I through I ive Also I for of what people and first person witness what on was the was saw going on, me. Then and and I did were in what year? Do you Was 1'1 I a with never remember? it, and myself live to the think to got back and going I so to happened had actually there. riots them, and I live to go back to the It again so I was great urge faces of both the Blacks and the Whites and the The Watt's It that aware would commit I been back there. and with not people may went to L.A. riots, really happening I ife, Some arrived at the time of the Watt's was the Second individuals could had this never high school my how to deal know long awareness so there that horror. matter what. new had a was it everything -- al I through and myself. the world and of was that al I so couldn't, chum there. I lege, life because happened during just didn't to were hopefully bettering society ful lest of their in my had entered the world. actually revelation to traumatic to who had of had somehow gone knowledge I the few months that hadn't questioned before I I Then a in more four years of col previous World met W: I certainly was question things to like felt had the whole I there than was I and science classes, horrendous shock a go down and forget sense that the looks of chaos that , 6 TYLER T: It profound had another there for Europe, you know, in real,y didn't care I that occasion awareness. and worked deal of Then when for in this influence everybody I'd I always on me figures elses was I and I had worked for W: a a I I started a life woman determination to short amount of being I me get your Masters to let was thoughi room to a having time for the government And then as I partner checking do math. and she woman could chi Idren. there a a just adding couldn't believe that great a but she had front out I was for her the baek I who today, is get my Masters and worked in Walla Walla? one another was woman working married and historic site outside of Walla Walla. Did you So that and couldn't do math, Plus she made to in four months my going not was firm and another started out all was addition I a and went back to Walla Walla left L.A. and within believed that renewed my about Blacks. at the time and and don't know where she I and figures, something in myself, accounting changed that perception. achieve it would be finally accounting firm, up columns of Black person, a I determined that I so that any feel would law and a 10 of 170 and she an I and experience else felt about them interact with had to influence how others anybody with that person and experience one people, beings, human as in mind my keeping and I that understood the way we, with the Jewish what said what the church care had heard that I against the Blacks, the Mormon Church need to belittle others, reason some in ing because somewhere probably God anything, if felt that me didn't I decided then that I and feel kind of some was effect upon So that Just ten years ago this year. Summer of 65. think. I 65 was so for two years, guide headed And and typist for Arizona. 7 TYLER T: time I fal I in there was It was There height. a beautiful were I and of beings but this lot of a was in people a uprisIngs I why had such I then after they were great became I why realized a felt struggling with and so student really getting struggles to view the at its of the time didn't understand I, at of my situation in the I rise above their conditIons and who wanted to strongly was did the Blacks and the Chicanos and position again identification with aware so rights with the attitudes others had towards them. the time of during was only Not time to be there. the time when civi I during So, Indians. human was love with the desert, riots. the it it there and also at the started got my Masters at Arizona. I No, them and their as a woman in identification with that had a tremendous struggle, our a society, lot of the impact on me but I things too. W: In what field did you take your Masters? T: In W: I T: Arizona State W: Arizona State. T: Yeah. T: So, those years that I spent there I worked at the University during the counseling see. And and student at what personnel work. University? Tempe. whmle time I was there -- four years and they were important years because 8 TYLER T I opportunity had the It awareness. was the United States just W: The Women's Movement. T: Um hum. W: In the 60's first got my the whole movement again, and so I in was on in that Yeah. identify and to emerge I beginning. at the very T: the end of the 60's when beginning was and that's where finding myself, of had several we civi I the peaked, and rights shaking movements, rather earth movement was and so we wi I I beginning about the end of the 60's the Women's Movement began to emerge again. W: So you felt that you were and aware in on that idea logical Iy in the beginning. T: Wei I, yes. I also from my a lot of who a is now on were on only searchings that the as answers the status of that commission and about from the President of the on 5,000 staff experiences because of my the Commissioner of commission put own questions put was not was long as to which University Education women In So, can I was when I I remember mentioned, even as not satisfied who at that time the State of Utah, at Arizona State headed the staff women. I that was a but chi Id with, and Homer Durham but he had University, and I was division, and at that time there accepted it I had no idea what 9 TYLER T: I getting was as just like that felt I I like information which I know pul lout happens terms of what kinds of blocks point from that a sense that few people so did it would that sti I I do very much. W: Wondering T: No, the reason and the ignorance. whether interested a men that in or I a The searching would not with it -- T: Sure. frightening away from people, this probably it it but need the change before thing, in the as and there I not not have the frightening was would die. and life had knowing in the that had awareness. struggled in mean rest of my I it with struggle a that and quietly or is because of the attitudes of others doing so received some wei I as and to me, or awareness is avai lable it would be You're setting yourself up for at Arizona State. having this information, it out and be run it wi I I information W: Yeah. mean very difficult always women was lot of information struggle it or not you want to be that because sense I why be a would not be easy have the sense had to Hopefully anyway. it would I with dawning the staff and the students were, realized what that would I because wanted to this tremendous was initially avalanche and an there happening was faculty, What the status of the was suddenly to examine what began we And into. it with for anyone who an threatening favorably. difficulties. is open mind, and to women as so wei I I as to -- 10 TYLER W: How long did you believe T: it was It's Political. T: Yeah, political. is that driving a have progressed, with even $1,000 I ful I of thing. just though in my guess, I I also in the area, and had have and its rei W: Firm committment. T: Yeah. or information library and speeches to a can, read them al I, and the and dabble was women invested years and books. as government wei I have as a it with I some women's had to have the important igious to me. thing the books that the years as keep up approximately 600 books over couple mean organization knowledge. fi les of documents and this great deal of seriousness. something. information on me fi I led and there knew all new past eight the over it with just activitist group The everything you was collecting entered satisfied get is this vast void that it needs to be it because personal reports find out desire to whether to a is know that and you just enough awareness, you know that there accepted I that has been harder and harder and harder to year in a new a was Suddenly published had been but that of that year awareness interesting was thd'end what the neglected, been just capacity? year and then at a or W: has that like anyone who has educational or in in this State and moved, position going. serve kind of I wasn't or some " TYLER W: You are present T: I employed now Brigham Young University at the development and have been the Director of the Fami teach i ng the first c I ass they're T: Wei I, of Fami received at the wei I in fact it Iy Living seemed to make was he a I'm Consultation Center. es to be offered They're now. both in the co II ege It's ful I. pretty if he would sense was aware proposal of my for the Brigham Young University? the President who asked the Dean of get was interest. course. That a of course put to them to And about that time the/ Dean so going family relationships and exciting. been very And Iy in women's stud i and have two sections of that W: at the is time Assistant Rrofessor of chi Id am job and your it So my was with lege that nature started. in the col talking the Col me lege -- Fami Iy LivIng. abot coming first month on campus last year and this year It to I BYU, and submitted I'm teaching it. W: This T: Yes. W: Oh, is your second year at BYU. I was three years at Weber State Col in between Arizona and College, and you served lege. Brigham Young Univeristy, you in what capacity there? were at Weber State 12 TYLER T: I W: Oh, the Dean of Women there. was I (laughter) see. T: How do W: No. T: Yes. W: Was I You That is by the way in education. impressive background Mormon Church? This -- you've certainly had varied and is your connection with the What is to say myself? be are a Morman? your family a trditional Mormon fami Did-you Iy? grown up in attending Mormon church wherever you were? T: Oh yes. I would consider my background very traditionally oriented in terms of the Mormon Church. W: Both T: Um hum. parents Mormons? were think on generation Mormon, I think the solidarity place, sense I of one that never both and thing we had and I as even I they said that gave felt that security sides at we a safety within was sense a though was I as me second were generations, growing of up we security moved was didn't have say roots disadvantage the fami Iy. I'm third so lot, a the femi or because there a and Iy permanent was that TYLER 13 W: I T: Un W: Do you T: Yes. Are you active see. in the Mormon hold offices in have been Relief I of the some auxiliaries with the me Director, taught now? And as exception ask you this. What in what way organizations? Society President, and been the music conductor Let now? Yes. hum. and have been Stake Music W: church wei I as and served in al I in most al I liaries, auxi of the of the Priesthood. is your attitude about if any, possible the organist stake boards on yourself as do you think the Mormon Church woman a has influenced your attitude about womanhood? T: Wei I, my real awarenesses, to surface though surface when that a I personally and then there a a as respect for about my but like women and there that, and undergraduate I as how I, both personally, I'm I'm I said, I was were looking simply for very no over education because I I As I important that. not couldn't articulate that then. began to to realize that I, wei as I, eternally, can't think of right now, role models was began looking for, left out. were just distressed they began that's when what's the word were but and like Helen Richards, that learned about women, hungry wei I I've said this earlier, If articulate tham, education, is another word almost every few women, even student at BYU, in the process of my woman, in couldn't I was don't know I I as studied, there I knew were to me, but never women, and was had very mixed getting that what I feel ings wanted, something was 14 TYLER T: amiss was far as I that a and then to be in col more I saw I there, and when al I not knowledge my a male I knew that when had but on, never perspective, I object an I now don't know were awarenesses taught been even married there had Even So my was. I about myself, very angry and resented was feel W: And now T: Now I W: You have clarified that. T: Yeah. some it I going selected not to become what that that saw relationships. in exactly from was I that I tremendously. it I only realized self Just occurring could articulate I I school. lege, than different than something high in knew that frustrated with was wasn't satisfied with the nature of male/female relationships I I wanted there. I and though even Y, very active in at the even organizations, I knew my place there, Also that. government looking for, was the education and al I from al I omitted was in student very active lot of that eternally and I the word matter and the content and the curriculum and subject was concerned, but to say that the dissatisfaction meaning uMtversal Iy, that's was, I, universally the was as you sti I I I col get angry (laughter) know why I get leagues perceive it, in this way, satisfied with in and but some I I I get angry and meeting a but that people told yourselves may some get know very of us why I'm angry. Its impatient. having. were very angry at me I like This for even is told how articulating them, you're al I married and you feel very because you go home to a wife, and you go to bed 15 TYLER T: with a get on heterosocial a with the impatient so experience before unti I repertoire of behavior. your sister or don't want the unisex, that You a sense, been this age any You taught to have seem a I very strong Do you think you your Mormon background beginning I think that the culture, my as wei I life, and I'm been, W: when you I or of yourself a as variety society in woman a of so even We only thinking the and they get have we enjoy now, experiences it at and you and otherwise because of general. I mean in the felt that wei I society sure that at that my I accepted large. But, parents could don't know whether rebi I I ious Strong headed, individualistic, maybe? came I of in the information don't I programmed were because of programming as younger. through in the Church. perspective, was sense have described how this evolved acquaintances. I only and aware don't believe we narrow a really don't have that because like women, of said I I'm very and expressed male a are you did your mother as person, The you haven't had this I that you because men from did when And woman. woman a perspective. is said yes, totally incapable are beyond to be already not to think than more like we male a but seems dress to women I Utah, because you have such individual an And with any other relate to can as You in utah because men moved to about the world around them really level concern is from do women big yet, in and I woman a said the that. T: heterosexual. you do your wife, or know how to treat W: you're heterosexual, but you're homosocial. interacting l and you think woman, a both also, from my Mormon as verify this, is the word, but look back I have on always 16 TYLER T: Yeah. really I Mormon or rejected have society large at a told lot of what about me society, myself. whether it be consistently rejected I that. W: A lot of the T: Wei I, W: It sounds T: I've we I strength don't know. like were talking you had this walking I Maybe even didn't walk, Not necessarily T: No. Not W: You mentioned that the T: No. My experience been mostly Do you a it did. own Maybe head then. it did. remember my mother tel I can when you W: W: I about this even out of your (laughter) it. always had, came I were and ran individual of sense baby. a I was ity ing in me one myself. She said that when time when She said started very headstrong. conforming individual. really. see men has been in Utah seemed different. not very positive Mormons. them as different than others? with men in Utah, and they've 17 TYLER T: hae received, place in this area, I'm and glad to say really that there conditioning of the I'm seeing has been that both some fear of a men and change taking bui It women in men. conditioning Can you describe what you think that finger T: part think because I do. women in W: I Yeah. Wei I, for is such think there example, that we sometimes you can to fi I I area every your life, or much so options that you I ife and the excitement for people and thing. I accepting can't say of the way lot of a and therefore T: I the whole think the Utah, was I for its your are that much of a I al I just or in here the other I think it are. of terms of in meeting This seems areas the whole way you approach other kind of Utah, and I think its think church, but interpreting and life unti I and the excitement of they virtuous person, person, of area neglect see because of the they that must its because live their lives must fit that mold. ingenuity me I I a a very balanced person a narrower of the culture inbreeding (laughter) guess sma for who and what people everybody one might living its much just feel because Possibly them on out come being with of how to become life that you of your don't preoccupation a sight lose focus and you perspective W: put Can you that? on I is? might cultural as that has gone wei I ••• here. on not have been here. a So coming to Mormon, because it 18 TYLER W: You T: It felt was have a it different. was that much of a cultural very difficult time with but of the blatant kinds of typing that I is going on strong messages assumptions and Not that churning going that frequently there is a get al I the stereo­ I who get certain mold that I'm not fitting and because don't I people are sti I I inside because on made and are I to Utah. come here. from them that there fitting in, should be a to me society frequently just feel along, very shock to in that, the I I'm making them very uncomfortable. W: In what mold do you think you should be T: First of al I who time I Do you T: I tfuink that person. really I've is woman whose got it together isn't wrong with her, aware and come unique to Utah culture the pressure unti I In Arizona moved here, me. you know, and any is married by and the make my age. did not feel was single, isn't and you know something W: I I'm fitting? I didn't feel of the fact that sti I I am very much to terms with don't know how much of what that I or here because came that, but I I was a I've been if was think that's I it, but nobody lived really single person of aware even do you now aware, when I a I single mean first it doesn't bother else has. experienclng as here And then is as much too a 19 TYLER T: result of the culture that is here al I these and me. Now new awarenesses, someplace else, but that's hard for me W: Do you T: Not the Mormon see ones W: ones Amer1can subculture you Wei I, and I I'm if I last five years, living were and so from women? I feel time with spend my as spend strongly don't feel that you can generalize about in provincial, very incapsulated. find them very male I women the state of Utah, Yeah, these identified with no sense are of themselves. What about the T: There is a to share the hard awarenesses around on I'm selective about who of the attitudes of Mormon aware W: key going then. generalizations. the of what's suddenly gotten do. find them very defining I that As women have in any other way time with. things an new here the different about Mormon T: as spend my I I aware I judge. women my time with, and the as living 1 've been to that I'm just the sae way with the may feel I fact that the or positive great desire for education AI I changing things. same driving perspective and I as I'm assuming that you (laughter) side? I admire that. the do, and women are I think that that is going see to be I've met, whether tremendously industrious this. they people and 20 TYLER W: You T: I that see don't know. stereotype I have This is.probably T: As used to be I foolish as wei I I think I know the I to this answer about your attitude about the that you W: were I'm Yeah. shame that inc I uded in going W: you know sure we I am the consti tuti because question, very on. as I perceive for us to be us for That is an interesting point. that and what ling to (laughter) I but is wanted to ask you Amendment? And supportive in this I to this nation that important went wi I don't know whether that Equal Rights have gone 200 years divided campaign as really don't. You have suggested a be I i it. of country eve women and I think women sti I I very strong I y. that do is it a are it is receive constitutional viewing us, unified, and this is I one think area it did you feel in utah and the ultimate defeat? that has is your attitude about it? about the way the ERA How would you are is going number of years. How not are the direction the events of the world in terms of how other countries to be sp not \ vitally important equality am stereotype. to three years ago. even I not? or live among. indicative of Mormons per say. W: possibly hard time with that. a people the even W: I Mormon characteristic a as analyze 21 TYLER T: I there should not have been W: policy, T: how do you or It No. interpret in fact, Do you, interpret it? church leaders of the church, and I of they've indication that And then were used I that saw Did you feel T: There W: You T: Many W: What do you feel no women I feel when like they was same research was wanted to of the one on the opinion right to topic as church of some have my of opinion, and with any kind it, and that disappoints get the vote, and first states to it give is women it's almost regressive, the kind of behavior that the Mormon church doubt that they of them admit of Utah? church officials. here. W: is have the done any known that Utah So the vote. I by felt that in the newspapers It stand. I that too, al I the arguments that have been used in the State against historically but said to talk to any of them about the yet me. statements made was the have public publical Iy stated what not official was I felt and I disappointed. was thing opinions influenced the legislators? in my mind. did. it. Many of the legislators the outlook for ERA is in the admitted that. future in the State 22 TYLER T: I, We'l some I I ground think is think there W: Do you wi I I or Do you T: anticipate change They then they' I I then there I as they enlightened is become about is wi II T: Wei the If continue to focus plenty more lovely is they in and of that there, educated and always negative it and not quite I, that's the only thing that I wi I they've ling to been get in Women's Movement? on want to praiseworthy and that they in negative, the wi I I the if good I seek, and to what become on but and of is what quit listening that focus how on they see more negative. so seems opposed to the Women'S­ mentioned, lack of subject? Really just ignorance who I and attitudes change International Movement and the ERA aside from the fact that you on and it than there has been. leadership do you think that The Mormon Church education past year, be, but have been and it just depends want to seek that which report, Why favor of influences. with the want to deal think in this it didn't pass, there? wi II only not in the media which W: hold stronger a gained during also believe that I but though even influenced by the National be negatives, they have been battle, a time think that the Mormon church Oh yes. they grounds past this gained was some continue to be it wi I I think about what listening to, and dig on can its but their think of, just lack of really al I really believe that own and about. do their own I information. don't know if they reading were and draw 23 TYLER T: their but thing, one in the has been W: conclusions, that whether the position would be the own the Apparently it would be very different than the think that I same as one mine that past. Amendment to the Women's Movement Equal Rights link of the in the eyes of the Mormon ehurch has had detrimental a effect. Do you think that? T: I don't know what kind of reasoning gone W: If, into that. fact, in couldn't I political situation leadership Yes. in Utah, I think and within the Church and perspective are going to got women who think to the think, men a women as who that be or anything we can was some leaders influencing an like the And so for the men and they begin changed? see women Do you have moving male men they into the of that nature? to produce both identified with their are being about both lot of them. define soon rather than come Church, the stand of instance, do you For as might how of the Mormon Church Again, rationalizations have fact, you think the Mormon Church infuences the in ideas about that? any T: if, and or Equal Rights Amendment, the on rationale guess at that. even you think that the Mormon in the Mormon Church factor, or identified, and the I women. al low the define themselves men nationally own culture think changes But tor now tel I in terms of them, but they don't listen to what's inside. we have them how how is 24 TYLER W: Perhaps I I rewarded for that and Do you think there wi I I I Yes, It know. writings be there really women whether a and I think on even that being God himself it wi I I we or to sense priests in and priestesses and lot of a our kings and fulfi I I more a the I present el lack of obedient to or not, but people, laws, and As so not if you or more enlightened or I individuals look at don't understand the business about in charge some imination of understanding. laws not it makes then position, be cal led the Priesthood to are eternal an one anything. don't buy that. W: So according be that direction. because me is obedient to those basis, you know, better identified in the Priesthood? Women moving in are again it's just understand obedience, and male that? in 20 years there wi I I maybe bishops? reflection of symetrical joining togetfuer women, see Goddesses, and if that is going to happen in the hereafter and that's to me, makes is talk about queens and Gods and sense Do you don't know. ask that because other churches T: in the Church? What about men. leadership positions very in presently influence the would they leadership capacity women change. then change, they're highly and W: the see a women in the women T: if to the doctrine of the Mormon Priesthood could be held by women as wei I Church, you as men? see that the it person just 25 TYLER T: Sure. W: You don't T: don't but I I'm that would be sure thing, especially of and they have Do you want to be T: No. W: Would you? but that's means any kind of getting of from them and you take that away really a Society rather be Relief You mentioned past recently. only whose false kind of kind identity. bishop? a probably would men frightening very upsetting, a through that, is identity, no W: I lot of a for themselves identify why they couldn't. reason any see things think that you In what ways do you see President of changed have aside from changes the Church. in here the for support the ERA? T: Wei I, who that I think that the ERA drew didn't realize that there they BYU, and influence shared. once a I they're also feel I T: In the educational was lot of areas women that kind of that a al lowed to take lot of other W: a lot of together within the Church for the support changes are place there, they position taking place are going to in the Church. see. tremendously so approach. because these So you are know little I feel very tiny steps positive, not when you have a at 26 TYLER T: W: perspective of how much further dispair or feel thing. Of course, to hope play kind of some Yes, you have been active and have established the I community see but that we being for have it has been opinions about No. of philosophy form of that that questions and that and that's learn, how cheers is how I and why I do question, why is the if not to which so wi I I we Thank you very much. learn T: Thank you. 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