Delores Silva Velasguez, Hispanic Oral Histories, Accn 1369

Velasguez (b. 1936) was born in McPhee, Colorado. She is the director of the Utah State Office of Hispanic Affairs. She talks about the history and mission of her department, the culture of the Hispanics involved in mining in Utah and Colorado, education, her family and personal background, middle and upper-class Chicano culture, her divorce and the effect it had on her children, and life in Denver, Colorado. Other topics include affirmative action, substance abuse, SOCIO, and her future. Interviewed by Sandra Fuller, 65 pages.

University of Utah Marriott Library Manuscripts Division Accn 1369 Hispanic Oral Histories Delores Silva Velasguez Oral History Deloris Institute Silva 5-23-85 Interviewed by Sandra Fuller SF Name? DS All of SF Yes, all of them DS Deloris SF When DS October SF And what's your present DS Director of SF Is them? ••• Blair BLAIR Silva Velasquez VELASQUEZ. - you born. were that [laughs] 1936. 9, MCPHEE, Colorado. occupation. the Office of different the Affairs. Hispanic from the ombudsman. Or is that what say the they ombudsman is DS A lot of correct was still pople and it say 'director' that refer to it ombudsperson. And description did SF Why DS Probably lot better. they change becuase this been SF Has DS I'm the first men before SF HOw come. DS I a think the 'anything. , some they'll general debate Ombuds-person consensus that. over fits the Ihave to agree with it. of the simpler women to say, were saying to They've holdthat had some - ombuds'man' and ± ombudsperson. position that's been filled by woman me. I Or it. some wouldhave been much the ombudsman. There's been better. was The director couldbe director of a as women traditionally. position. There's been like 5 or 6 turnover. don't know if the person selected had different philosophies. Or you know had disagreements with he Board. They left for different ORI Deloris Silva 5-23-85 s1:2 The reasons. last there resigned. one was only And the two before him at years just SF OK. DS Since it's been So relocate. Ithink like - And lot. position that's beenaround a 1972. 2 or then Lt hLnk 3 they since ••• Ramsey Administration. This would be - administration. third SF Did you have DS No, do to think that I a anything differently having Ihave our status Chicanos to in terms was real well sides. that assume So down the road somewhere, SF Whowould you say DS Ah, is like Martinez. 84, i've never really reveiwed know the I politics, ah, backgrounds our and what Republican I've worked with them. And get along great with - unless - of approved by Bangerter. Ah, I've always been pretty nuetral. they as be to in June of i- come party politics person. And both a to -- positions. ______ been then had there pretty they did quite better to on were before him one shorttime and very very And time. a went a the AR, a you know I that there don't know. is some Ifeel pretty intent political comfortable. Republcan. JOhn Flores. Louie Cardille ,Alex _H_e_r_t _ i've worked with all my life that I've been here in Utah. Oh, they are almost all your young Lawyer Assocaitions And I would majority of say them. council members SF OK, now what the are majority council are is your lawyers, your Republciation. There's And there's that - of 2 them.Not or 3 of Republican. this? all our of about Chicano 13 of those. them, but the board memebrs, our OHI Deloris Silva 5-23-85 s1:3 DS This an 18-member board. for we the Governor's is the office define and goals and constituency We've got the - education, And r.t hey take to or more of in terms of the council the is These less Then from counties. youhave Stthat we the --it's get together and We they represent Hispanic large a community. compoased cf employment, Ilmigrants, youth, law, healt h. are provide the direction issues. And objectives. alarge part - Council. Advisory areas of expertise: students, ah, women, composition of representatives a geogrpahically cover like - a whole state. SF DS You have, And then for the it exmaple, Carbon done Now. Is more than say Now, we Lake but that San Juan area. County. by population San Pete do have from the someone also. Like Salt Lake majority of the council memebers a just by was County gets County. that - those were the from Salt come people that got appointed. SF And who DS The Governor SF The Governor does DS What for we appointSthose. does. do is. atleast .. The amonth. Council - we And thenwe county the representative advertise indicate should have a as the leadership within that look at and submit. people justcn their Or to what expertise in. of most vacancy county - or, own on the Council area And you know, will submit or what then, will their ORI Deloris 5-23-85 Silva s1:4 And names. own bring them in, from oneof You did [taks the bring about county and DS SF DS ... the That must having to Right. And not was They But two update were'.there To&art that a training in a mission for you it as settle pertains down; to -- to beginning. have something to session with do. And them. so written down. se, the fact the Council was so that I whole lot of much turnover, that Some issues the first Andthat's how data started. and that And in And a so there. To have something good monitoring --things that thing Idid we don't the first like sporadic. -- I was. a auditng and reporting system. goals statement writing. And in were least where At per documented there And minutes prgoram of going to time and people, Themission the missicn d documented was longest the other an in in June and coming statement in what was that needed I and papers August of 84, Therewas -- documented. and was through goals. thing the for aniimplementation the office go whether to attribute it fromthe historically a the role their then things weren't decided we and the Governor decides each ouncil member tough thing a all something - both updated we There wasn't it's then council on papers; the other Iwanted and - expertise; have been things. And I of that knew what know if material function of area -- council the whole actually three. zeroxing goals Will interview them. the Governor to names some role and the Council will interview them, three recommend SF the eame out was have with -- OHI Deloris Silva 5-23-85 s1:5 SF Things that you couldbe held accountable for DS Right. And said Governor you to and issues on then I also me, things ah - for That's Matheson. DS Rightl And I the director? found out I you're going that will They thought inunediately to dress to provide 'someone' supervising eveyrthing, Ithought of Dept. DCEn,if I Sothat you purposes. the Dos oh-oh. could myself, everywhere don'ts and on report directly can get leave an and evaluation; you the whole NOw, DCED is DS QDepartment of Community and Ecnomic Development. becuase they provide +F Right. DS And ± SF CYA DS Cover your SF Was DS I to was it a my think to the under clerical support. CYA method. the personnel can find out ... So our office, their auspices, Welave just wanted I imean, no staff. •••. [both laugh] the dealthat youwere the them that models. own Butt big gone and •. housed withfuem and almost sense, a I have state ·process. SF in else I have had being him for to me; community, the director of if asked I So to direction. you that And with the Governor me. the to worked,Ihave had evaluations, I have done reports, n the administrative purposes,' you report deal with the council. SF when requested, - as - Hispanic the¥inally women __ first in the state,' it you know, Therole models had beenthe woman. really represented we'd been talking role majority, you know, the men. And OHI Deloris 5-23-85 Silva sl:6 yet, when you look Utah kind the at history it's been like 70% - of gave it Forlack of Let's a a when you say we're throughout the Mor DS Yes. and SF What do DS WEll,you added some - I spice it. to some cities, geographically, fragmented, we're kind of Utah. in also very very There's quite state. that statistics population a few rural And scattered And- areas. lus, it's growing. do? they have alotof people like - in Carbon County and San Juan County becuase & the mines. Andthey feel likethey have their there. odds S and othey're scrounging around, doing ends of that'shome. people going that - I wouldthink? than SF So think that better word. all he different covers in the Chicano movement involved. what youknow, - I've got see women a feel to be So jobs like, why should even SF What about their kids. DS A lot the younger, attending like the have up here Salt Lake. So - keep a they s College to people, especially I uproot and the a grow, Easetrn U and I move recloate. you know. Utah. - remain. To older. you At tell you, for ToIDem, Older know, it's of Some Others, The least, here a then have married and John Medina would Different construction work. their proprty. difficult if more resources. come - where alotof - some of to - roots them lot of settled example, I have are them in I moved from OHI Deloris Silva 5-23-85 sl:7 Price City SF Are since. ever they more I becuse Simply of the different kind of people. a laborer oriented different DS got married and i'v been livinginSalt Lake soonasI as - in or - is their have to the culture say culture that lot a What would you DS Thre's a places wehre SF Can you DS OK. we I was us me to having his to buesiness. in are they they are of course They're more last that home so I would - carryon the the country, you're opportunity - a1 Or - the bigger. ot that you notice. - if you look at the there's economics involved, and hospitality that's - It's still the - traditional and 'old' way. provincial in behavior. example. an me , a would in alot mainthings - last summer, Louis Martinez andhis impressed preserved the their action, the - visited that the they're give areas more ing preserved live -and they thinking, their the rural Ithink you have say wouldbe traditional. The old infact, probably becuase when you live out And • in that course, friendly atmosphere. They'renot real - Or are - Thene's always same. And of is very much. peple the culture SF they're the more living country chancesof have they education better. pretty muchthe are difference between rural and urban. But do any way. thnk their values there. opportunties. I mean, and told family we was could that me Iwent the And family. the the the culture that he had use down to Monticello. phone. no first was And thing very well qualms about taking You know, instead of stay inthe Commisioner's office. We had gone therem And when we had got to his home, his wife was there. I ORI Deloris 5-23-85 Silva sl:8 think it was a the coffeee. immediately, veryconcerned about was Which us that. of Ithink is like we call his And The were cousin most rural areas- I they ere they're CAtholic in thhone, was Andit avs t o ry s build it. One had veryquick to right had in be of culture. they were We a log as that they were bedroom to alltalking see other them: cabin the that thing admiring were the their home atmosphere. room. two in fact that the in walls, yo like living Because in more the - And away. about. lived with heother for awhile. preservation The And t hen the used like was predominant. mentionthathis brother had Andhisbrother lived do and New Mexico. Iwent - the on talked we they ijad just- they Inthe kitchen and Decor. And he tha it. becuase . or friendly. still, rut are of church. You'll just tells eat. - they haven't assimilated for alot phone she country.But- they treated Colorado - - enough, and and open the people sure veryobvious becuase And so to And -- And what or And that's very very obvious the something only thing they didnt' majority theextension the kitchen. saints. the still very was in people thebat. accounts still very activein use the - just was parts of New MExico, think that much of rightoff had had we were eaten. how her house boked - family.rnd their ancestry And:in And, have you folks hopsitality typical the children of some whether She wasn't worried about any and grandmobher doors down. helped And they Sothat, in itself, the olen him is kind a days, youwould find of-- Deloris Silva 5-23-85 sl:9 families. the fa The mother, the r familiesto live thatnuch. head of Oh yeah. DS So they're SF NOw, had - make to daughter-in-law, family unit. And it wasn't one Chicano. that sure Say for example, One female and maybe of one teenager had them is daughter whatever, or living the with them. watching DS That's very Mexican SF Tht's DS Ees, a a during Mexican-Texas And areas. Mexican Whatdoyoullit DS Manito the a1wys very wtihthe and ferred stands part of the culture. a more and I think in the predominantly Colorado, out one daughtr no as is they an all the: other rural theNew the Manito what - there is gets divorced. live wth them.Andthere is never I think one thing that is they would really battle - elderly matterhow wad more.And that manitos. to against putting for grandmother ... elderly. Ah, room divorced were day. Again, out. They're really they are the particularly it's both with the Mexican from Mexico, SF that But children, fi they thing. from New Mexico, ..• his they've Mexico-Texas - butit's still very much thing that stands and - the room. It's visible. •• son teenager. a separate a i've interviewed a10t of Me«ican families here where the unusual you do't Andinthe urban area, togehterl really can you the kids to the The Ura-n strive SF for sons, household with three kids She would - father, the grandparents, livingin find or the person the in - economics in a are. and home There is plenty of food. Thesame thing Withthe kids, that pressure, comes live to you know, a deadline, Deloris Silva ORI 5-23-85 s 1 : 10 of when you have to SF move out. Yeah. felt I that. Andsometimes, ah, DS does Becuaseli But Ah, infue the erban in - even if probably have a to still get, do that, more too. there's different -- - predominant But situation. that your poorer of the city would a one bedroom, and they with us, the more even you'reeconomically middle class better off but Education E something of the reach different - And - between contemporary. do. that you must AndIthikn alot got caught inthe middle of to with for tomorrow not the whole assimilation. traditional have alot of in the Diddle see, And fuen say parents/ the on advantages. a; Soyou expand. And education is we - or - may not plenty there I would area, that. you emphasized strongly. from eal we well as economically oh, - ar bedroom two that you should do during disadvantages they live rightout practice the some there will be but AndIthink that's familes, would see tell you tothem,theywould everybody. ou can put alot of pressure groceries todya, y I reason" levels of for know, going the transition of some of - something that is-- sophistication you And a us - are Someof us going very conte"'porary. SF Do you caught think that I could you describe in the dddle between thatperson DS - think be felt htat. someone that ha to "me traditional and contemporary. gotten What would be like. women - say Especially, women my Iwoud say back age. I in felt that. I personally have 1968-- between 68 and 75, eloris Silva 5-13-85 sl:11 when I started I - work. professional the call E I - --traditionally, I'm supposed we want go to college 1 on I lot a how do - in order of be to it's tellme DS Oh. When -- first that a better But these to need you to get successful, an Howdi DS I didn't dyou I so working Cutter at was of I that - my - you where do values, and lose not these I'll understand better. Job at SErvice, for example. Laboratories, that to Cutter Laboratories to me was Andto - It that was work for to a Job and within the 6 to big difference. And then Service. of Andthat was - -- quit. was and alot had been Anglos J.I me kind andlaundry wasthere, Igraduated fromthe assemblyline ecide to even my mentors, like to value system. incident there and went SF on feeling to feeling need I focus to the traditional values, here and be new a contemporarily, educationally, job. professional. accepted control. quality left toget Istarted work and all I ecnomically - home and to advanced fromsales work and waitress work Ihad months and into fence of scary Can you OK. the give priority guilt trips. Andyou get adapt a SF Well, Ineed confine I values but And, get ahead to andbecome very career to into really getting on husband, and all of that. But - if go like professions, ah, you're caught children.And from sales work graduating When Istarted you know quite by accident. of went the - people Ihad a I that had real neat always have to say provided opportunities, experience. Twas at OHI Deloris 5-13-85 Marys St. I Silva s1:12 church down in can'teven remember.lhad volunteered do something for that wtih And particular church. theywere holding an elder}y for trying was someone were a 150f group who was going of old people; them Andhe alot a to having was could understand inervened and says, there the next fact, I worked and was stuff. know everybodyin they a working minority wre trying - looks It Sol know. I late was evidently waiting was And these communiatingnwith them. time speak English. They what was happening and finally, likeyo're having supposd was to problems. some come in and immediately said, I'd be glad to Ispeak Spanish fluently. thing that for was they couldn't communicate back. And Iwas show up. help. In meeting. have been about might tough The guy who yeah. translate didn't And citiziens translator. a them couldn't of him but said, as come a and meeting getting realy frusted from seeing And he Johns. St. to Young, who worked, who And Byron conduct to BEcause I went senior a - or wsn't that- that active I always cleaning some representative then withthe Ogden office, worked for field State, I do to there1And the chucch Through communityAction. a Way down inthe barrio. And Ogden. getting Then, Job at the what to We I home. Asd guess he Service and community. And is it right after talked called I talked a meeting. mentioned where to she knew -e the one carne mployment get minority interviewers the gals becuase you me position of I in. open aide. And And ,he said, OH Deloris Silva 5-13-85 sl:13 to for this Andof Well, ihad rememberhis the This But job. to But really schoool the DS end me apply and be able at Iwasa school night or six months studied 2 3 week. a really assist me and ihad poor, to do to to drop outl I and And then some a did They suggested. Andlthought, what am I on stay said, oh That wow. something. and I went took That after especially repeat because my to from the college .•. Or that for you . student own. think of order get your high go of to later, that had get go job advance and not to do the parts nights in even applied and 8 hours need doing to I 5 months , day. one co;dn't I and an there about was grade 9, you then or from I went -- And apply to your side begin away was Didyou SF school aother I as me didn't pass the first time around andlhad math to and test took me a Becus-e degree. took Soit to Cutter Labs at talk to you. to going career a aide at goingto meant I build up emoloyment at her helping was "Now that you 'r:h .her e me- ______ to down enocuraged see, job. said wants man He recruiting. phone call a S be name. 8 hour another had been they Andthey said, got to position. cours, recruit. I get her they suggest it to you. doing? cne side two ......• rush I can't go diretly home through and at 4:30 or if I do, "m going just make sandwiches and stuff becuasa'v got to to OHI Deloris Silva 5-13-85 s1:14 studies to go he was still the going to office job for first learning I'm a If' I'm not real self ahead and take SF Did u want DS OH felt Cutter it was Labs. results working area of with Vi thought, and Here "Hey, says, OK. was It would an getting the labor dept. for of didn't even Icould AndIthought, glutton was relationsand stuff whichI -very use-- punishment. don't do something right, I AnwI if and it thought, I want the only stay here. to way Is to I'm go college. it. It was complete a And not interviewing, this I behold, while time. symbols And stay. loved I yeah. to that it. So tough that I if doing something- tobe able to do going and GED passed thattime. at pusher for of a 10 and But, doing public allthe program reallypunish myself the time and the words meant and AndI having this. going tobe upset supportive college." to affirmative actionand all know what I the Iwas it. very Butthen I go you get--you know, involvedin and if pay was take to then he's about arguing gradual thing. will state help a and crabby end up to Andit's really test. husband"going supportive. Andhe very just be goingto are and we're dang becuase how is my frustrating the kids Ican pass fuis so frightening. different world only that, helping the there. But I the - was fromthe Becuse felt loved like challenging. sales and minority on Icould interpreting. indigent. disadvantage. A l expertise as of doing alot Mas Butit see alot of immediately, Istarted I needed the part I todevelop think of an being the OH! Deloris 5-13-85 Silva s2:15 do Or gooder. job because and so ionto SF So, DS Yeah. [soft chuckle] alot of doing feel didyou Ifound talents. confused in SF WHy weren't DS I think I is it A lot of self terms of not the little still was able time it was Dixie for school, bringing income in was great, were great! But nights and a at decent, work."lus, I to having to we come And babysitter. So we decided to that then at - we the that clothes girls comehome that I was his this food swtich. really like to fact home and make school. just not something Iused The got caught in to - I supplementing off days. And my afford And you're going I would work buy go could know kindof that's where I'm the Cutter Labs to up more. any money andyou five children. going, for example, of little •.. I'm somebody. labor a know, there's always laundry manual I are but things, finger "Ehy, - mind, And where of --You to that! loved eback of my home with the fromfue look and to And my husband loved it! butthen I'm paying able to like just pin money got away. do best. can Instead get. more kids becaure I Shops and all of these tel my husband. and challening. I got exposed theymuld It wasn't better. is so to groomed inth being assembly line, I moeny a real was know, being girl graduating the get and be well inventory kinds prestige thatyoufeel some and that you content I to his hair could relate You finally. until Andthat that! What was cut able guybeing a found your niche? you .. Anditwas to of counseling right - something always said, my toldhim he had I froth do. to seeingthe results - for part the decided. We He would work blew the family ORI Deloris Silva 5-13-85 s2:16 concept be-cuase - the kidst had away It take from that like was to looked at I ohhh thought, advane to a and 15 was a bt on finally to of and 17 a But Ihad know, You as Ihad a being to conflicts gone Whathappened with your friends. DS Ah. it I I with the - was people couldn't do afford it. But gone some we once lived. changing my family our our So off. of to was But, us. to for it, pay - we 9 grade -- I I was to that was caused able 13 no to longer employe felt I like lot- a friends. We started associated Who were things of us that do. theycould working we - - - to we couldn't We had become wesold our ·the Terrace You of family Family, I've always UTah and he didn't. We - where - know, in the ranks and movingup. -- a first were - a hadn't associated tocmuch before because We the and the office. And second home and moved whole way here n goal them. circle of new with both now bought threatening. could work with I PR work for of a specialist where pretty well middle class family. And home and myself moving all of husband worked with at work. my economically better we a to from profe.sional. a SF - for college more manpower home.A lot at took I pulic relations, my way very olderones two price thatIhad the and see there and my up comfortable more upgraded job. of gold shining was help discipline to it's really unbalanced. I as could 50-1 setting. Andit life there going toschool. Andthe sacrifices the - in my do alot I of make minority expert. and Iwa he wasn't - responsibility. apiece And lateron, weren't traditional get there and when I And night. kindof to we I found had ourselves the OHI Silva Deloris s2:17 5-13-85 assocaitng But pattern. becuase SF DS What I in a total We Theonly 3 Had 4 or assistance. public completely seemed different kids And Ihad that brother right sisters economic ground. having this in tobe tough a a time making And to depending of it. time service. the in The whole meet. another family sister whose husband worked purchase at home. small a sister My economically were husband went ends got married time And was they government where my Andtheyhad been able DDO. hard with the exception of - the for husband worked whose that at thebat. off having was sister alittle Ihad oppressed. And ffies and much with my brothers as secondtime. gotten married for the had didn't breakthat theyming. abrother. veryyoung. on associating not theywere were had iwth Mom and Dad. more - They ________ the barrio. [laughs] But DS Ahuh. I SF And same becuase funny, fo did kind chosen ..• area, to a where Momand Dad that's where I'm found that our friends were living at, in now -- live there. And It's been by choice than by obligation. were more. Andthen I got onto so - I - politics. OK wait. Whereis DS We you've SF inthe living stll were the barrio. The barrio wouldbe West of the - down Washington Blvd. to in the neighborhood. by the Ogden. tracks. Almost But Mot people would if you refer from 20th -- to 17th refer West - to of 17th low income, minority, 36th Street is very very predominantly Dilva OHI Deloris 5-13-85 s2:18 I would ah, probably whites it would be SF But DS Yes. SF NOw, DS Yeah. For Defense federal was were then. it's low income. considered the barrio. DO for your husband works yousaid than now integrated. Butit's predominantly very It more say for Depot, Ogden ______ the gove rnmen t , government. then referred to as Second Street. I think alot of people still do. SF What, the Defense? DS Yeah. SF It's refered DS Yes. SF Why. DS It one to 12th encompasses time Street - Xceond as even though And Army Depot. Hill Air Force Basel And Street it I From the Tooele Ordinance. Andithink I becamse Very much Streef? 2nd all the way back to think it to was Anchorage Yoti And Army Depot, everybody said the Second the was Street. - differentiate which had the Nval it from Base. know, allthese federal entities. involved when politically Iwasback inJob Serice. so. Ihave several SF OK. DS Fortunately, iwas friends I that didn't change. had questions. able to gone to What keep my did you do about real close school with. I personal friends. personal female think becuase my attitude My attitude, becuase I worked at Job Service and OHI Deloris Silva 5-13-85 s2:19 becuase I disadvantage friends. where and used I into comes I and you're never with And we tomy would - Or I face say I maintained we sat downto We went their homes. better, you'renot oh, - always get we there example, Pacific Avenue to - off west in could go for even - alldressed up as were a in my here - don't think anyone time Ihad anybody I - Street, single We age. down, go the that area accepted .Iwasn't rejected Iwas bough maybe even 21sth on and own of them my could I school to of Some that. lost going sellout. a them in afford and sellout. a directly - llive- the barrio. and heels suit Of to never we and Reeves, Union furhter And from myy come school with. to gone and most disadvantaged, who had people were had also withthe working was were right of one thatkindof their to anymore. relationship. level. the us And visited I social same functions. dressedalittlmit better, with them. It was never could we anything separated. SF Areyou saying you still appreciated DS Oh, yeah, and very acculturated. You know, we've always. fromthe day tortillas. And so I was 11 years old That's -it's a must til in .•• today, our Ithink I'm still making family and at home. Ididn't- I feel like I preserved alot of the cultre. very visible and very that was when Iworked withthe see me as all of them. an advocate migrants, and I had obvious ah a - - Ifelt real So even like to the I hid- And migrants, They good relationship with OHI Deloris Silva 5-13-85 s2:20 SF That's nice DS I've always --what ••. doyou consider able myself really th elder that, of your biggest the more very traditional. and withthe younger feel like can I you seen really enjoy Ah, with middle that much work with kids communicate. I adult, the younger adult. older are I've al-ay£ elderly, done Ican what me assets. communiate with the to folks, the low income, class, one asked have myself--Wben people seen haven't I But youth. I get downm their level and just be accepted. SF DS OK. Now, youwere talking then about politics. Job SErvice, you started Oh Once yeah. It's funny, And us. or anybody applicant an the ones And of that course meetings that were 0 K, we a Iwould SErvice were to. asked and - And and so the forth it was Chicano So then some I of alot I the always the state exposed - I forms. to knew that __________ Democrats anhII what does that - of and the REpublican an appointments that that mean. and meant. Indepdent Party. were of of two were became that kind community- I of interviewer. were only were Oliver and attend we say translated we to min6rity to thE:re in Pat - the have - complaint complaint a reffered thenwe the Governor political SF had Job provideinput to thepolitical there who had Ibecame Once - but way back then, at at ..• youstarted 'token chicanos' the Andyousaid made were And very OHI Deloris Silva 5=13=85 s2:21 DS To it mean,t me And is. funding fundsat Job 10cal.I stayed SErvice it relate it change Catholic. a He the best I Catholic - to SF funding And it the federal, those. And home with a father. Catholic a very exposed national, state, quite well. why I've Ithiilk I have Catholic Becuasehe had And church. our inthe party really get inolved It's funny. from. comes learned I philosophy your btof think theane reason- I in What to. know. who.you learned that funded. my father. the belong Infact, my father didn't i had been school. got invited My grandmothere was Lthink taht' And up detested Yeah. we - but -- I grandmother never been I thought of both worlds. DS And AndI command: very Mormonized That's the Blair. when I - that was - SF to But togrowing andmother and a of are where - federally were neutral and didn't politics of had "political." was quickly. so do you And it. able to differentiate was And very who you not what party was that whole to to it it's - Howmuch you know about Becuase me of alot - boy kind of my it why s was Catholic in aprom and to even know school thatlhad gone for about 4 years that's how he discovered it. she -- easy to alot provided of direction. be neutral when it came controversial issues. Becuaseinyour family, Ihad to DS Yes, SF OK. DS And then not S couple really oyoudecided of you had balance too ••. that. that youre going to learn allthese only that, Governor Rampton had appointed positions. My first appointment, if I can things. me to remember a correctly, OHr Del6risSilva 5-13-85 s2:22 was withthe Governor's And I back in think to 1972, conflicts I in having was Iwas politics. I'd the governor. And the one as Deloris Job taking and president was ball. -i t it to sick and so became the Service, thengpingto the a state was really growing. was the AHuh. that And was it n was catalyst the closer in Utah. I as was volunteer It to I that at was was. '68. to vice becoming time, the the And working commrnunity and president And it And In from secretary vice going introduced then doing me. SOCIa. joined doing everything for Hispanics Like what. a finally told being organization. And organization DS he also up sacra halt I then involved up and go with - in on and he would secretaryGAnd Iwas Iwas dressing meant tired of And was - Governor's banquets. the positions Going more i a I once - And part. involved more attending And I Once got we And saying college. Ah, being - really high SF relate it involved as career fast. to to Silva's husband." in up work and SF am immediately my way then really brought day, "I me And like the political functions. And that thing Sol governor's allthese Going been called Governor's commission, to Not -- horne with my husband at really grwoing of him. ahead getting way I the money but he didn't growing. was almost to 'with women's movement,' but becuase of the that liked he of Women. Status got really involved with I extreme an on time, and Ihave that at even - Commission it o rgand aat Lon was -- ORI Deloris 5-13-85 DS Silva s2:23 it Well, in --Socio was created was September of 68, andhaven't left responsible for giving birth working Utah and of of lot State to the Watt's had involved :iJn attending +t he DS I SF Did DS Only being Iremember - one, experience I went to , out a was were Weber at in joined it was very the sure action. We the at actually University And you State. know, Socio's involvement. Ah, Ah that at recoming were nationally. of those , had I time, of course, very aware, I - very was state. too. from work and bad and it given and buying gone was new a to going, representing into really heavy were Chavez found out it kindm time and ••• was here was going Ando one had the movement, a first time. We community living a situation for I me. Iremember who had got to their • to kindof Kansas prepared And allthese Chavez for the out BecuaseIhadn't been that SErvice. the turned City, end in fact, expect. Job it alearning wardrobe. Denver.But to And experience. in Kansas ididn't know what and who Cesar making - studies Chicanos So out conference away.ihad City. to released better far it And I [can't hear] .. going do to riots. conferences Oh, youwere going was the ethnic on 67. Migrant Council. Ah, infiltrating movements, SF since. of work to be done. bt a the to done becuase of were was it agencies; community create then went things there And, we in were the first were and closely very Chicanos --a in December of thing. people who sarapes, In Kansas And me. fact, Imet City,and You were we going OHI Deloris Silva s2:24 5-13-85 stay in this huge building, to going scatteredout. sleep just to on hadn't taken that much money with and night you're going gone on the ANd, we Someone people wanted even of some very middle that So work and and the that I go--And going not were some and to the And way. And And money. if Or - the kind I that I do, had we who had endedup at me a Mormon, and Iwas a sellout and - - a FirstI nuns. the next insignias day, so l.r Levis, suit, lookin were some - stay in that to we got into Andthese their slacks you know what very militant. from Utah, AndI c asua in my dressed in written if didn't keep track workshops. were and prepared either. Iwan't going but the women's was I first guys. There not were 4 adults. or becuase very know, you stood out. the Who were 3 that refuge some they I was, And thing. their And us with into is - both hands up probably militant, feminist!! and had only were numberone nuns dressed. night of there stay here with allthese Andthe few of I went considered was more me, And ..t he r e women. group had sweaters And it were called my husband motel. and us organization they represented. Very They I quickly put to theywere spent living shops women really got class. of where my communal me with youth from California, came Iwent to the way seen send tc announced I'm thought, had of that thing night. I me. no women bus, with the group, representing the Utah Socio. took alot the But have to Ithought, a and men And Ican't afford Isaid, God, And cots. And thee I automatically freak, and Iwas very middle class and I Dressed the way wierd because when it I was, I cameto my was confirming turnID it talk about was I was was all. myself OHI Deloris 5-13-85 Silva s2:25 all these first word!! sented. leaned women And Whete-r toldthem who I allthese I'm doing this this that ••. said to me, hurt ad angry valley. "If I the at thought whole sitaution I of of - so youcame do to barrio, accepted I'm dressed. those which "Look. I'm this on I AndI'm people a repre- said, yes, board, doing One Wmmediately. and;there into were lot a it And was really I do How ratherthan ousted. If I went down to And this finally, know I -- are Andif them. that, experience them'.'And fur ere shock to like handle I those, getting was bad a lady of was dressed mybirrio no-no. a have we was I I x-number go go r'm accepted byfue people that I grew they're up with, becuase fool And eout. get defensive here. I Ibecome in Utah, my And time. same barrio becuase by mean Hispanics down in organization likethat." English, got angry enough and Isaid, what you cam action. slaughtered." Youknow, that's be becuase word a the at me Areyou involved with migrants, questions community - claw to "If you came into my barrio in Texas." And she from down inthe you'd did. I ready What Iwas. "Then why areyou dressed couldn't speak who what worked, invovled--- areyou forward and just not dirt going because they poor. to And dress know I'm accepted the way down and be me. And fuey a hypocrit, know what to I represent. Andthey know how I think andfeel. Andthat's what's important. Andfi these and have change clothes and to people, Icouldn't believe, they work way you go to proud I of who I in different work, then am they worked God, you've got alot I do. AndI'm proud know, you places. AndI'm saying, my and what becuase -- if I cr in universities that's the learn. to that some can And I'm work in ORI Deloris Silva 5-13-85 s2:26 both worlds. AndI don'thave to change image my do to And it. that's what finally broke the ice. And I learned very quickly again that that that was movement was and that If And I it. it's And figure you not very alot about politically don't know then think wise do to Rave nost I would have credit. And guy that until ciate to I to really me. say Socio. worked. the Service i if you exposed to the me did certain And Ihope to that's And dirty politics. And fuings. I it was tought that my - rather that thn I always what- do. been male. With Byron Young that the Godfather of And it any helped - I give I me how because lot of a Socio the organzations the I chain of was able to asso- difference between fue chain of and how the organizations. And deal with it. learned,you know, - to to change. need front. up Ididn't know anything about there wasn't much command at Job way of say yes. always taught I went command u of your mentors SF and feel with my heart I quote the system says yo DS assocaited with. they them. never level ad what work gut very you've got why people hope - what and be honest I - going was philosophy. my beyourself S othat learned And I did. I thing the portray "Chicanismo," you needed to get in trouble for that, what the Watts time, the group and very heav y into evidenlty, that's and - you wanted - you dress at of that most felt they very militant coming strongly. That politics. was learned State about system worked from the the Je's through Alex OHI Silva Seloris 5-13-85 s2:27 HereIhad . Thisis - the Godfather, teaching And Ihad Alex doing things. Andfr'snot of the way the sytem works the JC's learned about and reiterates sales boy to a it all so and and thepolitics. much the this I to this side t@ day, The Anglo the time, Iget along it. use And you know, way this is AndI going from the And the way. from talked very often he - of his the&ory big politician. alot anglo way,but learned about experiences that he had along the learned how you is - Rick Barbero. I really explaining- 0, strong Democrat a organization skills. I'm still learning. Ah, him. end me Ihad intersting. ________ - the sho a things Iget along--even .. begin side fhree SF OK, what I DS Two involved. it Alex. Organizationally party. in the so skillful beign real beginning, an money, them not the - even ten you'd as one being that only been - reason the years politically an They ago have ID - theyhave clashed - say a very they surfaced who are Barbero. as the upper And the expert Democratic skills. same is I think because both workwise. organization, communities, ah, man. •• very he's delegate, a both have had engineer. And Alex being estate say, in But and Alex Barbero - politics. Barbero, another- he's And to to was dsecribe to Republican. comes about askingyou iwouldhave men. when was are Barbero porominent successful two of class rtoto the - if you wanted Chicanos, with - and there were ORI Seloris Silva 5-13-85 s2:28 others. [Alex] been those two But Alot more of of Chicanos would an JC's, wtihthe Anglo with God, he's b my stood out. tell has Well, he's been - with politically, ok, - though even - you andhe's been - first Hispanics the one Becuase the always Republican. be nominated to inovlved more In almost- and appointed by Reagan. but had councilman. key position. You know, he's just gone up through the ranks. And I think hf.s life has been Socio He's Andthese respect. beginning them as foc And the denied his never becuase two to as -- the 1972, we exposure. at first brand him and Taco, this the gret godfather. always HOw old seen is that say I always out becuase he were updating to thier Weber right the impression on Barbero. older •.. fence. the bylaws of And was - ople this great Chicano Sellout, where Alex show that respect community. visible in was Socio And and Alex County. That gave him ALOT Chicano- And then seen of both worlds. Alex wasin the best - have theutmost the Chicano won this way Chicano. first, I'd At struggle. poer in - a I - the very didn'tlike each other in the who State wide. is think being was Chapter President of of denied never Iwould some but the Mormons, not - - who see Hispariic commuity. remember in I - was Youknow, back and forth + never guys Barbero rouse, with culture. there struggling alreayd mostly Anglos. :Buthe's liberals LK aciT been Toa who knew Alex is Ricardo than Eiex and I've was the OHI Deloris Silva 5-13-85 s3:29 DS What 62 - 72, and in But Alex is maybe. I we hqd of Aout 20 people. immediately todo ought we - have might little, probably 51. update the to would this and this." and ±. forget They morning. wereboth and ties. And we but these two could-'t a of lot what were to be And what we were come and working - we you there - and could dedided. only way together count We these and were the - two We and at the blackboard always, more a - to be a ten general on to consensus And and the whole lunch, We had done iIi terms and was still except those ten they they had their eat had white they And tinge finally, decided, Look, the Theyhad rolledup lunch and shirts their we them bring this their pins.We took off, of the other, on Ithink agree with- Let's leave We'll go and them. there democrats. in never replaced. and side one among ourselves out. tie with. majority going left little on had repulicans are it and what was conversed standsoutin my mnd. their it two fight somethingback. like to-- as priorities replaceit we to go of had disagreement. Everbody wantetto we where shirts lot set the way is shirts. and group think I tothepoint. got agreement an this a a would they "no=no=no. a and to to it And SaturdaylAndi'll a white getinghungry pulledout goig wason wearing br.ainstorming had two. This ; "No, we've always done it." Blah blah blah. wastedone whole Oh give or werein we there. were always disagree. this take And bylaws. state And Alex and Rick they but the year wrong, and come sleeves is what their ties back, they're and less, agreed and had this all spelled they out and had they ·OHI Deloris 5-13-85 Silva s3:30 And they just were And had worked hard we said, God, whole but them would it hour than we did had struggledit out. Noone the other and ommunity each other. thatif come know I came sees them them both down to as well and tacks on the listen to each high respect and thet behalf people and - of wo of to Sothey that say different two equally brass A back and in other. I would And together. choose-do real battle beon be outshow the tellyou theyrespect theother. The other. sweating, perspirng. we one laugh togehter. even And in more their heads finally got you know, - that whole hour. they them debate eachof for did they morning, really - theycouldn't Where beofre, were£ughing together. for each who don't I would them had Chicanos, of one like say to they would side. same That's nice. SF Tat's real nice. DS I was - that chose I wa I improving everything I think I area in the Vice was becuaseI skills my of terms got mostd my Becuaselwasable - Now, what Hmm. - - and volunteer work and wat first wtih EE a woman it a it would of chains was Iwas officerin Weber who had cr funny that I organization. And give command doctorate. and how the was gaining two in funding and ifeel like overlapped. in Socia 75, College. Andlhad She· was, I the whole-- me level. doing, especially State all of this. in doing The administrative skills the you president thought in were I 'think to , in my I became the compete the Dean of OHI Deloris Silva 5-13-85 s3:31 Students then. i her all forget all had. I was, That of sudden a thinkthere I But ..• in plus about than otht!r told me alot cr having you're - What had DS The was good hurting was Theydidn't SF a be for had come time, it into that DI wereborn that it ehtnic; was good discovered and up I on be to be to admifiistartive in fue inthe a minority; a the woman; college positions. Probably not even handful. a Basque until all a Chicano. a me, stand the best knew althere It sout the hill with all everything there was in my I analogy was was to andhis town same interrelated. really to bey there had been play. good was professor. Yeah, he'lltell -- sudden a serious. DS almost all was campus play. women was a Iknew that have very many minorities. sudden he Areyou an happens there know the to Andhere,allof course, that I was--At to of do Why And Masters. a what inkling no •.. backgroundin Employment, a Berry, who supposedly ahad been Dick of And ihad school. to go p into come factthat to it. political SF it ihad Organization. thathad one was ... anyway,theother applicants the Chicano who Affirmative Action. her forget never only was Deloris know, you I'll was- a real life. can In use. know about the elite. toknow about you that himself. And he parents and my parents are challenge. Probably something terms Having of having come up the hill downstairs.But here And bre, the world. from gone I was professors knew And very quickly discovered ORI Silva Deloris 5-13-85 s3:32 they were they hadno sensitivity leow their anybody who infueir experts calling were little girl from own andno allthe be barrio still them how supposed were acheve to and to comply and president And what Becuasehe that .Gave you'reup against. is who will to got And fuis Whywn't DS Ok administration. with deans the is what we president I went And or Becuase me. in have was to a And allthe hs is who· will egg on shell about 6 months and Iwasvery carefl the vice president, it to to there meet an Ogden. Telling you know - it be it not been was a and I had that already any that time I had say This is what and this you've met with the in to president to .say, "This it because th's the message that he of advisor. of I went the to with the heads s good incident. do." AndIdidn't have and for the egg shells. club, me, really And here's where •.. my - civil - real out order In resource was was was good a a moved away great big orientation. Andyou'rewaking you rellme about I had been there talk to me me support you and who won't be careful. SF with blah blah. tuaght was organization. again the mentor. a And here Super threatening. had it tome. or the guys were of town their run regulations andblah threatening these - barely just to __________ rights And D Mid living and about how low income who had - experitise only. And in education. shots fromthe barrio but they idea lived. status of area the portrayed. departments. All heads And of Silva OHI Deloris 5-13-85 s3:33 department. I discovered. -I walk in there wouldbe thought this exceptionofLi£eMia workedin the thereand I SChool of and all males. was the Oriental Social Work. tought, oh, God, and my showup. Thepresident didn't alII very very resistant. tell them they action plans coincide whole and death. And And that at me to justopen youtink you are? things? You know. to his committment. say, to use suffle papers nd them. And law. me to And I things to the state frightened was like The hole andfue up. §ffirmative had Lf s.Lt shells. egg mini plans need statements the in and go Action Plan: right through. swallow why ar Andlhad We in Benver AndI had quoting fa-l to The PResident And to walkingon and up those to Iwas in was that came well, very professionally and very subtedly,-- Whow - Rights theirmission theywuld complywith talk about amilkyway andI wasgoing going And that own Campus Affirmative the that their Dick could't - in there and go supposed was she And I walkedin didn't have - their own, art department. relate to college's. specifically to infueir I quickly Withthe Andtaught-. I I teacher and An i had to come. theywere wouldhave 5. or room who - 4 like And it th allthe say, was has things signed I Andlike, so statement could - on .Civil you then frustratin and Office of the by and these learn to think fast. COmmission taht have to do we this overseen well, this is- becoming that quickly very ational, the law to them, very resistant. to being are and pusaying has given Civil Rights. knwo, and Iwould I'd haveto read it fPecuase these guys were sittingback "Go ahead, tell me more. it even though there just isn't going Iwas OHI Deloris 5-13-85 Silva .3:34 do any to good." get through these to reason I wasn't I was, Deloris a You know. getting Silva, number my look that cooperation and support any obviously, don't you I'm to memo going want the it ethnic Who is the token EEO token offier going not Chicana who to be only Gil Roman meeting that. as papers andput And gentlemen. fired. were Butthat very youcould But I did president, tellthat could some single out it,::-was they And this of And came were is what we'll do helped them, you'll and be to memo you' 11 meeting then- maybe and said, I I tahnk ladies know I'm timeImet with going and to get them, they corning individually - coming becuase they 'had' righ 1down they didn't to todo. need your first. a got up and got all supposed and zerox saying, we you'renot time you meet- but a .AnwI themre ones said, allrdght, I mine. or tell him Rights Thought, next themre the When it down and And the of admit. sat and As By Some Civil folder, out. it. and And he will somebody to them in my Iwalked receptive. about what way. the with respond to said, well, fine, time your And the next fromthe Office of you're going waste think I did I - AndI City. Bishu Joe To andwe' 11 take it from tehr. not think it, then Isuggest that you each write simple as doesn't have an I the that here wa. she's President, do to do to that instantly realising then did back in Kansas I God, how do I oh my thought, deesn'thave anh clout. And inaly, and my I An people. doctorate, You know. me and it, they that want realy were and I, immediately organization And we'll do the found to. chart. analysis theywwere as this weak to niave ORI Deloris SIlva 5-13-85 s3:35 knowingabout affirmative innot in not this knowing is where realy to of my about of my organizational and in-my volunteer All of myself it -you having not dependency did thatpurposely. SF S hat washappenig SR Oh, at home. for 2eas I at home. I during was day spending dpeend was at home. - no and his college had Infact, when ffie got to And was coming in tv was with the at news. was school the at at night. day tutoring And we new terms time, read that there was doing th alot of responsbility responsbility was - my home with her As result, a her. She went her in getting allfr.,is toturing these Re .Iwas grade, they yad toput outlet. one I 70, My hubsand staying in - resented all the Ah. Ifound he to just whizzed right through that. and second home with all politics. Ah, where ones And me. in - Service maybe they reallyeccept to them. on during because she Job __ to grade was have to found alot I place. for Officer E as I thought, from SOCIO at And Bshop. '75. And he going Ithink that washis on Joe oldest 6. time So that barrier broke I - learned two into very beneficial It kindertarden andfirst upper class inmy counseling I I'm going obtaining was really coming befallen was 7 was the the think my that you know youngest that I got divorced in kids traveling. My at skills Eulla Berry and on And and - counseling techniques. was teo forth,as Iwas so expertise. cooperation work and know, of area and negiation alot use their actionand were the and words - home. at really growing apartl he knew all all an all and of what the - talking was what going do we I OHI Deloris 5-23-85 SIlva s3:36 it? call Civic the tv--he was news. And was very well a coming home and threatening Yhere tortillas. At a todo class, feed I wouldn't and Id' the kids. the kids to and home at get ready - I was very house was spotless. in from and oclock, I'd be waxing my floors, thenext - S he day. complaints, fromwork at another came was 4:30 meeting he had the food 5:00, or or meeting a only thing warm to and feed class, andhe'd - be gone at ten And to work. oclock taht so And itwas from work and started it was- - I wasout a whole a good job. -- our just infuriating to call Salt Lake somewhere. in marriage was really on the rocks. end side begin SF DS three side four .. you said you Yeah.I that And I - Soshe one - What was my left I did at going toget little girl was night. infact, that a was 6 my time. In This divorce. going then. daughter I was finally madeup like school, about to And 75, I - wrote just got a note in in APril in .• it always beans Therewas if my Garn 11 to go doing everything. know, Jake you night, hme to - and me was at hear any come to Andhe Lucy Bethand inthereftierator. washing clothes, ironing for - there's coming was oclock eleven from or I food always was 8:00 him. to and basketball Becuase he alot. he read man. saying, oh, there's Iws there's Govenor Rampton and And at read affairs. civic into was and baseball expalining fooball, Anwlw he - my mind of 75. tfigdgrade. the kids together school about that. ORI Deloris Silva 5-23-85 s3:37 That A report. while he along. I could. old work and at was And just croke older two How DS I had five children. Kathy had of it By trouble DS She a That I in was getting crises to them about get she did. been supposedly We little a She had and that one havebeen. to really the ever trouble with the in She was and I that think I 18. think alot fAmily unity really us any problems. And she served gave divorce, I think - a of those school girl sitting can't get any work out it got my kids me. This here. We was Ihad lived at our April. and told triggered from Colorado thats spend spring three weeks, called in -- family finally may have came in together shock of the that to She had happened divorcing, going was I maybe nephew beautiful home. is so law. herein Utah. April. All of in had We aperiod teacher at had nly Mom and Dad - what The a and it. breaking ¥art Andwithin the best way was divorced. and family concept th was had KAthy -- Woman's institituion, a my decided getting not are .•• ended up year Eaurie the - She breakingup. together couldunderstand. ones gotten in trouble. this SF ISaid, Look, Daddy and I been married already was them all got they. were she had I just really told them like it I The SF And my heart. and summer gone to withus. see Washington s-cond home. And a lawyer. Terrace. said, your She's justlookingout the window. of her. And something'is wrong and I ORI Deloris 5-23-85 Silva 84:38 obviously something's these things her thinkalot I divorce my but of ended ip bad a holding is beautiful record. grasp almost 7. Andthen of A lot She was a deviant school all told I So cope with week a haa, behavior. she had had And here high and who nephew on it. on to drive-in. a finger a she's trying tough! record. up put a trouble with this into daugher gets is it being 6 and discovered ca-'t quite we We're pickingup wrong at home. later, we And they this Rad graduate. this just gotten married. And gotten divorced. Married June before continued but school. -and said, with her No in of And took I Ihad I priority. And sentenced. We had and - SMith, +'m Really the not drop to that of September. Seppember Seigler hodl up empty gun the drive in. had We had labeled - is at a the gal as and my Kathy one Shelands to girl who had jail. a was this til about later Judge was very nephew. no in - she got Judge three year£. who then she andstuff becuase few months think it -playing Sothat And helped I with This we a and sure. situation. trying situation a traditional school sork. to drivein. judge threw thebook at - - 'very to going the divorce 75, just judge a had been senetencedfrom on was a was I'm off that she'd finish high us Rican who have my wife through gone had promised Puerto school while in trouble, they coure, a will not playmates bustedup. and gets school becuase she She had married R or prejudice judge. She For ended up. She having held working thecounter an at pre-juvenile record. Nothing. ORI Deloris Silva 5-23-85 s4:39 And Iwasvery resentful. We've was sentenced the Woen's to By Oc-,tober, the President didn't. close And some ran awya. so packedup the bad thatI to my U-Raul. I I had Sothat would AndIwould knew me.I got me job a retirement wasn't Who was had a alike Serivce, a I filed that came part time job 20, dthe an at I rea-Ily was And - that course, my situation would tell you I went to And Imoved alot of contacts office as such- more. she - hearing a day after Thanksgiving, I 7 year living at to Denver. becuase I had Very confident. retirement receive my they no, those with their Dad, ill Ihad devestated. was can't handle this any lawyer. anything. or I wuld my home But I 14 year old daughter and my my regional in 6 weeks. do. becuase all andI in. coming sister owned family looking. a the it Denver to called job. a That help get pook the workingwith Supervonfident. I - Andof times. Socio. of one was community probably sold promise of no eye brows. Dick tyring at stayed stayed two thehouse.We Radn't been raise finally said, Novemeber on the those people in the ]went a girl. and people November, old college. Everybody emto expected through me friends had become in the at Anyway, she Draper and in Institituion Theywere really super-neat. teally helped t I supportive. very been very bitter. had A a end fast. to furtnirue So furntiure of my rope. cousin, Iwas store a very The close cousin. work for her husband. store. unemployment. having very the I the at tome.I went stoFe. for was great people in Denver thse I was worked living and my on They steadily in Job Unemployment i4 year old was on OHI Deloris 5-23-85 SIlva s4:40 aheck of having a time becuase involved with the st6dent been was lust indcotrinated raised Catholic. work I went to I ZERO Andshe as about a Red ajob off as a the bat. Knowing-- thi-k it I I wentto work fora Saturdays these bedroom. a a to taught And to go client, when He came store a was into u know to I the bring still old. see if he gave even predominantly addict ,I screenout case load. urine was keep my TASe: In - an first Treatment these two-¥eenager supposed One apartment. client. orienation Black and and evenings - there was was my Chicano clients. to do court for addicts.And my very first Was specimen still to remember her name, was me landed experience right have this And my me I had the on had given one. work my year jail, his soul, And called seven they 6 months. them. of core got my I practice Icouldn't woman. it that care a in - knowing nothing--- bad a and" take week and the Eal hard reports, And That's alf Icould afford. big Black mean me Crime.And teenager and supervisor. I god city funded project Street t the I'd been there this bless lis counselor, having cultural values very rong. -- trial Ijust got totel:fou about this and Alternative real And Manny Fernandez. alcohol drug thoughrur family Except for having been alcohol. Potter, super recommendation. a already even counselor-not alcohol and drugs Church, having was And had seminary. Iremernber we'd been there Ah, drug mental health board. a the Mormon in Denver. living mean in Was body. she had gotten the Terrace, at using Chicano male, a to or be screened violating. 50 years for And - - had old. ORI Deloris Silva 5-23-85 s4:41 had they take another to bathroom. out his And I I a she the bathroom and and says, him in pushed Black "What sucker is That clean urine. year old You going go to want to thing - the at that she - if I and lose a me syaing, this welfare. job That biggestmotivator. ••. too many Ohh. switched me closed her. handed I door. the Heavy taking you urine?" a "In thebathroom." her." I said, what of were And my was I a on me, do and you staring ftbis. kidfi are don't this you know. I one. was drug alcohol counselor I 1- starve. I clients. on That And him and the somebody going end up in just And me. I to 50 going quickly to you a And ·very want Ibrought I- at biggest fear. my to like looks give thisis God. Oh my the welfare lmadesure to on accustomed not male? - oened the door and walkedin said, you're goingtohave tuaght the outside. there." I thought, you do my right."l guy had informatin. forget e switch urines and her on shocker Ar the to go pulled she's there looking And go I've dealt with "All I and never supposed were Andto on door doing? or Females seams. gave club a thought, leave. lstood the you in right Chicano male? fellapart holding we data intake i'll lady, are abathroom with another Chicano look to was where - "You dont stand outside, Lady. You go in there with said, him. the the necessary "Yeah." "Where is he said, She took to thisbig comes And specimen thathe I hfum the bottle set. where us Well, Igave him this little bottle. file. took him ALong showed already was on don't the welfare. Isaid, it was such hi.m anotherbottle and And an was naturally, easy target. all about. the That And what OHI Deloris 5-23-85 SIlva s4:42 you had be todo asleep that I what got and 'I very night, I'd at counselor a in And allthis stuff there- the hst I Iwas did my funds and job ran they were SF How BS Probably took bng employment about defunded. 3 months more counsel drug by of how the for. jail. AndI was go. and when the with the director And Theproject becuase - Iliked what - addicts and I like that couldhave skills. I Andfinally, the store - to in then I out was of abolished. was I those for The doing. was had threemonths, fact learned how to deal arrogant and these drivers andmanipulative clients, Isnot so And my that comes going hold daughter, to she L gets to to this was but only to go Service do to too I little I girl. We working was Mom I said, can't go. of any somuchd my collect going tthrough and or something. long live with Dad go 8 and didn't pursue my I Job 14 year old the I'm going dad could I to .And I've got no time, tobe mother and gone thought, therefore this.I'm leaving. my school. to left. was addict drug a go last the director that and Unemployment. checks. to ever determined Iwas know about to wat you did when you had been p.omo t ed I kept looking for something those. screened theonly jminority totally me more could with these at that kids would my , explored thatI I was the assistant ajob. , I out, hired and was did. and alcohol How you thatlhad.no time well so eveything lhat drug he courtroom. to a soon as - studying drug andalcohol. be know goingto was quickly So can't handle in Utah. a real 1-- so So trauma I had got very close. Silva ORI Deloris 5-23-85 s4:43 And it heart was breakingbecuase homeand seeny other childrn. her Dad. And desk and with and do That didn't alst 6 months. was And very I went Ibecame at thestore. And wre becuase the my to plane youwill come back and do. and spend a doctor in Bolivia. no way in back of paper, I've got to find at another sch£lat where We're going travel spending I the was Bolivia. to time any they will I Utah if to money managing - I that. was of And sent certified claims a piece job to no said, OK. Meanwhile. my was pusher." paper deal with you. a week a was come a I need the store so counttry and visit with my father." His the saying say, some father and not thepoint Thycould out I I'm moreandm after to got leave was of I "I'll make ticket your can batty. said,"I and supervisor me cousin would very well giveyou we work to really frustrated. Iwas working was store. to.And he said, wanted the tape recorder and the desk files. driving AndI the managing they to leave to I wanted PR that good in Palo clerical. the hwole bit. store, long too Thisis somethingelse. I the my stay with uo training adjuster, waiting and not withthe people there claims home came Took my • good a out go Lauri I went Altio, became couldn't afford tofly I course icould to see that my kids Palo Alto adjuster and and stuff. do my to as there was- soon training as I got Isaid, youcan take this job and shove it. something else. store close by. So Iwas I to--I was took another working at the furnture furniture Silva OHI Deloris 5-2.9-85 84:44 , lives ilthe taking Job goingto becuase of care Audry Planning administrator for Job And he said, Senior Career it was Service owman. teaching right Council Development minority would be AndI me. But - up my and and I behold, kept I met up man here First hand just taken he had was thought. over the as in Denver. friend of mine who's a Center who needs it wouldbe career iwent alley. probelms, and I Lo places. become almost same went And My girlfriend who we - the Governors Andyou'll doing I - unemployment. more store. the relatively allthese "Look, ther's minority Chicanos. be a an dealing a dire tor of instroctor. with Who predominanlty classroom situatin where you employment presentatin." Hey there and I'was hired. Thisis what year. SF DS for Service and with Manpower a had we Carlson who had been with Brt wants the other 9 at to aprtment complex thatI did same sisters iwas't collecting any say. from 6 working was like the during store .•. Probably early 77. Becuase I- I worked withbim approximately a yectr. SF TASC? DS No he And I this was. a was Senior Greek God. nothing was vry one used at to l La Ll. he Career was the very he was a Greek conservativepeople And AA was to go. Becuase it was an entity. It was a t hs.t very very private industry.I worked there for approximately the last tome - and very liberal the director. likesomeof working for. Development. a pilot year. staunch, I was program ORI Deloris 5-23-85 Silva s4:45 from the company back east And had be doing some in San God, the me per diem to my It relates to me aids And for nicer a th time Utah e-ery 3 my kids. see that guilt trip. This really brought that did a they stuff. Sol lot were on this discount back stayed were to where marriage I and adapt to it. very close but then- fares. was what one. in two best to training Great. get enabled able to from school. And This back to coming was 75 again. the Icouldn't cop shackingup and tomy had talked S d Sofuat theguilt trips to that ahead and drinking and divorced. and the I California myself flying tell you this to socializing, doing found .1 being able of Audrey - sure. she got horne gone and the Women who you know. I not me was when of going they said, go fof was I've got Ab real divorcee, I 4months or cultural values of care And I Ah, apartment. take to it. dock you to time same flight. They paid and do some said, at Goahead do my I We'fe in Fresno, to day. And a Boss my likE:' they paid - We'renot going it. get $300 like plus like was pay the who also knoew Look. said, if you would toyour job. people pay and at Joe_- who knew of me, supervisor and for paid And job a Migrant Training workshops Francisco forus. apply for to Carlson. Burt see Rampton, so the visual time, remembE:ring what I had learned politically. Joe to gone to gone that during But Governor a all provided Corp. to I that to a And over being single crowd, AndI to alot of love to dance allthe stuff this other friends in Denver who OHI Deloris Silva 5-23-85 s4:46 like Idid and who had alot -tought oriented. family Bonneville to trying ook for toc in her Dad oil becuase Daddy And she was the I begin with se- tothe - good duagher off was tobe trying doing a the They training in have to in rush a ready. supper wasnurturing and she Fresno hpn goingtomake was was in bthliving were was skillet with And she litt-e good more she - she 2-quart she had and home home. at this !,lboiling point. coming was And evening. one were High School, going she had And Ogden. french fries and she had filled gr. wasin My daughter Laurie High School family. They a qrl T apartment. an side five .• I've got alit tIe ahead of mysef get my training It then. was relates are to hard of my then now had I - Ah. forget. it I the was taking night. thE I or, town Laurie was at And one of when that at Hob sowe where - SErvice in I had could came to to at I that get alot friend who a Ogden. Was Palo Alto. to gone talk phone number Dee gone sitautions visit to right close thecall McKay Ihad really always those gone .Anyway. had left her classes. time I ad with her and her husband fortunately was think that's what left-- - it ••• a - was she's working - thename of And at and California then in forget it's another - strengths. living night now to ironically I eUt •.. my certification - old over th through spend - times. where I about Hospital becuase the 11:30 she had hit OHI Deloris 5-23-85 - Silva s5:47 running the to I so and her hopped Ogden and she for 4 about stuff.t Tht put quick on me the real just complete not let me come and exams back and the training and realised hey take all in my face-- earning money and all other Sol went got back to this. And my so Denver really here with you a never took It deal with one said divorce. I wish you hadn't - close becuase he missed you're doing this wouldn't guilt trip. He hd And training You - were aut family. know, saying there me long a situation. those who had way or shouldn't have I left. aughter was becase of my family. don't know what in the world priority ought was Butonly the rest But allby yoruself anyway lAnd your my - me. and - have taht of one very shouldn't have---the only thing he would say You sister - father, Thank God, had been my shouldn't have left were other to was and had you been here real real you shouldhave gotten another, - a on this expressed anyfeelings. never done and all left us, the got my certification. I throw it this to probably becuase my husband who guilt trip. - here I wasout political thing again. My parents here to - know the - all flying came You time afterI we morning and that next certification because when my you know not of burned just you?" happened. re a it were hadyou you Ihad passed - ,': And critical condition. in days- I me to "Whel'e plane a happened, they and exams ove r the handle legs. was beygave had what and she had hit phone, skillet, and it had turned, her hands And the answer still to doing -You should be back be your children. time at theprison And ORI Deloris Silva 5-23-85 s5:48 because she put married and 16? reminding Ihad I - stuffon getting Becuase more here I -they I going took education. was inventory her on I - girls. this am heavy have doing- I'm saying, and I'm growing were first date. I I'm I'm taking more. I'm climbing back up theladder again. trainer a - this young enoughfuat they out really laying were in Denver and riDing allthse things - bad i'm really caught between been selfish? really it wasn't was like Ihad been with the ether allthese And me. and And here wedding. - had missed her I around mean, the to come that me I wasn't And years.My other daughter had gotten two with her Dad living And in and wasbeing able I to do allthese-- you know. And I home and come the message I was need you here. you. education. put away. my There Dad I Alma seeing Cathy her so culture - you forth. came a needed. back beuase every And I of one these had the D the to we - Andyou days - where guilt trip I could cent that I prison to see be at work. to threemonths. was busy getting her trips. Every fly Becuase kids need you. course tomake I would times once child of was having was were have might course, Your needyou. knew thatI'd been here. visit And Ah, AlIIl£. daugh.er and fly even be of But myself being really really getting from allthese people Mom and should be here. are found I over should be And - I nobody shouldn't coming to know, being the mother. And the support system. SoIwent into play. on through Just a some whole -- my cutlural values guilt trip over - the divorce Silva OHI Deloris 5-23-85 s5:49 values. religious they're right. and stand out a And decided I Ah, one And I wanted defunding. But I this BEcuase Everybody before me and I knew I just you're doing going I job last] I discourage tobe next. he Andfinally to choice. fromevery - and we're me I promise And intheneantime, introduced if contact anything happens help youwith into and alcohol was and As long side becuase your at me with a allthse personnel and But n challenge. it Singer. I was drew supple- a again And - "really he said have to the back of my mind, to go, Iwill drug just intriguing. And moking for counselor jobs. closed down at the as employment skills, was I'll you politically involved, people. and you Singer somethingelse. still I wasn't to. fighting he didn't it fellow there from State Personnel who me, help youget the on work, "Look, said, and me "Look" to came here. Ikept comingm we I day thought, I'd stay a talk some Resaid, no fromdoing training change, had been there I had but Finally, was And me kept looking people really valuable are work a name. And every great job. You're assisting Carlson had I will these next. gotten very stay til the end with it. to project going. Andif youstay here, An D Imet ment. and off was it worth your while. make Bert thought was a this keep I You're skills direction. to getting laid Ihad there i:llow, Ican't rememberhis Greek was- who people make probably to decided finally the - anyway becuase to I'm wrong just concluded. I her husband who - needed I job change. of and ah, there probably - My cousin for - cloe to. Youknow. But I nothing happened. unemployment for about OHI Deloris 5-23-85 Silva s5:50 6 weeks and time the after you wait Went back store. Job was working intern- an I power could use my after with the Black And to joe lady over working with for - with their good after I that and key people the side. I able was took that job itwas thatI had I and alcohol drug became the was get a I had there- con • started I the doing plan got exp_osed entities, state helping - Sothat·enabled year and to I stillin situation. - their me to earn the their know their director and had been agencies, them having worked with thepositioncame. then o-'course very menial wok with all these to these colleges, doing a a affirmative action coordinator. purposes, there as affirmative action Drug and Alcohol, reviewing in to personnel analyst a And here. the -becuase tionan, getting And was the was community money andI specialist. on this exploring recruitment State Division of the I to me, - skills affirmative action affiramtive Carlson and Joe the whole affirmative action and the universities of It action-workingon was different some empluyers. 7 months affirmative same they said, "In siexmonths, But that." So I you do really gotten intrigued byit. months the internship. the becuase system again. Bert personnel, the at furntirue store, state through St a t e employment Iwas the .Worked permanent job and we're goingto do everything with working at an a help to hck of my mind, had as turn into recnuiter I and who our but funded city thiswill in applying project at anfi2e§ame for was Aragon ". started I stuff and thatlong period working to open doing as my a some training training hadn't dropped thatlAnd I had become very goodat it. Silva ORI Deloris 5-23-85 s5:S1 I the appliedfor female OK, DS Yes, now that that from that - going with It's get into this field. of it I was much away fromthe people that. askedin bat And I be fascinated me. the was only minority 70% of lie- state then I doing who ere very very closely. with women in more then would workingon a .. people. right That And thing the divisionw advocates. a And had we Istarted I I training Andfuat as servicing the two were women working with minute, why en't And And Idiscovered got there, Although women. was of people. do to alley. up my it one. groups had I to think alot to one with working of there them doing more why isn't this we Why is't the training including this. started really looking like--T agree with you. gone alot. I there -fue first and blah blah blah. tratment, relavant. in. minority representation. They said, wait the director really Andyou're And women discouraging the ate-pretty much like in No whole lot with a very package now. to after I - stay and I into administration. was there. the minorities division here not got that the state was be training groups And That alcohol. field Ibe It and drug would you want and will counselor certification. for the know,why thought bygoing interview was, Oh, yes, you'll You tough a too enjoyed And you getting me I -- was pulling with was insistence state - there with them was division. state eerybody's at - I minority - 81. program then with the was personnel me And and 79, 80, - And became the first 79. what - training specialist. ad alcohol drug SF in job And we dont even have at me We need a - and he wre you're said, minoties. our 'token ORI Silva deloris 5-23-85 s5:52 Chicano.' They had then Iwent hiring chicano a but University for Chicano a help form me or that in key leaders new and funding black. a had in were Task force. a and that poeple And formed we Chicano we DS were a Chicnao help, with , trained we-e very on Substance Abuse we were able to - you the me people. So I you knov , allthese entitites. And recruit right, politically called was possibilities All Give well Who knew It the Chicano programs the key funding Task Force for the through applicants Colorado their and hired the first Hispanic precention coordinator. OK wait one Ogden Salt LAke Uh. I Leg Ls La t ur e s So fue says, trainig with. Chicanos who involved Task Force with their - SF Who knew the who been good rapport Thatworked So he good. good sophistcated some quickly gatheredout 6-7 invovled. very Youknow all u've reall the division. to was prevention project. had - it look at we Black trainer. a And prevention. this already had they coming for For contractedout was didn't resent it. I joke. Isaid, Jeff, why don't they the state, out a and jeff to the Blacks with as just gotten turned rut It it took I - Fast would really just Ogden as to know how Denver:is different from •.. living. Very conservative seen I want moment. very fast blend in. living. Big city., But here I had moved atmosphere, environment. Ah, Ogden more rural than Salt Lake. you know. And - - from a I thought very I've always much more ah - ORI Deloris Silva 5-23-85 s5:53 the there's - tobe seemed had they - Chicanos more this native of explore and in the best notillsing lodges it. represented I see difference most to like felt was I of alot of the I And that. of core thing I the been a for first time got I staying the seen. going the addicts. or was I so that could And the orily down into alot Both in of So them t-e I was the middle class the barrio becuase still I and the Mexican functions the dances I wasinto they the real - differentiate with female head of household. circles. one barrio, the disadvatnaged. both streets. divorced and learn to the8e counselors who had were that was Ihad really having hadn't I Or And people. that Ogden stuff, ilieeting the best people, but still and in different and places on a and Colorado. in ones working throughout was travleing in- still the Mexican music all Born that me was socializing circles of lot I had been alcoholics Iwas - becuase Becuase here thesmevles time a Colorado. to the assimilate. big metropolitan city quickly got to do I Andmybe -- similarieties with the rural more my way around very state. Salt Lake but acculturated. more then Denver is in liked and the _ For example, would Centro Civico have does all here. So these different activities like Ibecame very -blended in very well with that. The there I I women left stand. were a associpted with some real -as I socialized tough things for dance, for example, me I wasn't Iwasn't into the houserties were to adapt into the after hours, probably to. one - Ah, when night becuase I was OHI Deloris Silva 5-25-85 s5:54 never muchcr a and you become alcohol, areas and -felt And like that I repuation. of women had model. and Ah, I dated And settle down. Iwas Ah, lose the home. I the at I - opportunity the watch my counselors step. And I and really guard my and night thing and home fly role a non get into wanting to fear·was to other. perfessionls and seem able this kind of be to build up my to being Ihad all to career. that I didn't home when want to I needed My futher had gotten really sick, especially infue late 80. started getting Was and mre, really doing badly, poorly. My sick. Iwasfeeling the need had been released. Anyway, Kathy was appreciate the support system. out and people:in Bob mother My Dad had had several heart attacks. And family. Kathy I Ididn't go couldn't go with these groups think fue of drug that whole somewhat. just couldn't I to that whee really dated both busy trying able to fall of more do alot. I sensitive - drinks worked with having the egg shells on lyoung girl a to limelight, that really professionals. T <he walk to That meant i had Plus, in the was of alot - So Ihad affiliated. I then tobe very careful where my clients clients And really really Iwanted And environment. acouple of UWould have Ah, that's probably my limit. and to drinker. she was Sd CIa , so for family. Beingmorewith working at SOCIa. much be cuaae they forexample, took her My SOCIa were her to work with ORI Deloris Silva 5-23-85 s5:55 him. From and went she there, got her skills and devoped work for to SF I'll b- darned. DS Which told me that the this she's with Thats who just-- I'll t come is definitely going she went that traumatic to straight. go work with the Health to She's married ane has now. Augustaf 81, I'm in But done had an child. a after crisis helped me but dept. It's corning back was internship an for institute drug to - Which Jeff minority a be.come - not national a alcohol. I had again. alcohol. recipient of the was and drug career And - I a trainer. completed ididn't get my certificate because right about the time taht. I was started due it the national With that get and of my thepeak at national internship for schoalrship, to near the completing budget budget PRojetcs And my were cuts being abolished were had the only the come had an of us sate. September, struggling was people werereing training planner througout everybody cuts, supervisor two and and in our and to come the we and me and said, we actingdirector. Things a left were everything. threatened. "Deloris," for want We were allthe work to scare you don't know. We're Oregon, justin We f' specialist, carriedout they know, and really job. when was you off "I don't you may not ave for funds." Jeff had - said, t r a Ln Lng unit And she that internship, my laid the We skills Utrah. to but of police department. girl Ah,fromthe police dept. lot a an the director. uproar. And I ORI Deloris 5-23-85 Silva s5:56 felt, then •.. and ahalf. Did Was her A-one an in July. if the I'll That In was my and out, been in July a looking for looking to April, years so duty or father left of anything. and my she wasn't was job barely getting was Utah. And April. Andthey of real And just I trying were Iguess he situation talked do to all ry in Denver, job in some my back for for. here while people been We had the - just to coming my was funeral and realy June and it so that was And hat kundcr motivated stood out stuff and was kind of me. I kind a I of Urn. Eally really down allthis me greatest, you know, my the one person that present-husabnd early in training, receptive the person that whenI was really- porbably him in the bat. something Ihad to something happens or I'd pick up the phone and call and he'd give came met continue for another told 81, my father passed away. Andthat did it. motivation md confidence and were talked to mymother and I I job doesn't instead of back And close. in this here back. When Icame funds, come was met two made it my that much exposure, •• which I had We I Had Wasn't dating student. protected. My daughter Audrey six her, I round. boys yet. And Ithought. And side to give lookinga five side begin was still very was into end I 16? school. not to and - what - high She wow mentor. in my decided - cornering life. I had me. I relationship right off was really pulled two OHI'Deloris Silva 5-23-85 -s6: 57 becuase ways I wanted continue, you know, my Utah guaranteed. ay in Denver and try my luck and to career. from Joe Asuro for love doingwhat I people. But with and this - budget same situation allover. thought - and cuts Ihad a job here's my chance Andthat's training and working do most. to this I thought there'snothing I the goingthrough was everything. Very threatening offer And girl 15 young and Ithought i'm going to be leaving her alot. at a crucial age she needs alot of parental guidance. And I turned where With alot chances of for becuase I regret, getting ever she's me. I felt I training. And decided like I would I'm talking to Adolph. having alot of personal problems becuase he was job. And my under the all his in September wnat to to - gc back that And in San Antonio, they task force and how woman's package And the xou l d we in old want to situaiton. Oregon and says, we're going callsme from C same likeus weveloped to it. that had was resign And he's And present I had telling draw do a the nodel of the developed assited unemployment. And Jeff to training. And they wanted five trainers it early September, I', I don't leave because down. separated. And divorce wasin themill. livingin Denver, contemplating moving. don't it. time, and hapepning Adolph I'm gong I this impressionthat taht wasnt still - it there goes my thought back to just really going away from And us --one training a to was _ present from ·OHI Silva Deloris 5-23085 s6:58 from California. was charlene Ortiz who there. Couldn't be n is now in working California with Prevention Said, you need tobe here becuase you got this goingand started and it's made. what progress wanted went I to tobuy into. So in a and made week. a scheduled presenation. Institute Training before let it I And then go. resigned 10 Sept. in through the Denver. Stilllooking parents Iwas had sent corning usually spent I'm He corning had driven never been for jobs. And had .not July. in so He it. even thelast throughfuis a and came down And this surprised divorce. paid for toldmy Dad. died. a look at I by started me. Andshe hadnot gone Utah. but he looking discovered We That his wife had it, Becuase And he had driven we August. more Dad like totake trucker. 3 class with some here with her Left her here when my I'd s going of day had was day Ihad it I'm not AnwI Audrey 3 and for signedup drug and alcohol. And he back e me was did he. though went I about being presented by was with her Dad anyway. didn't have his - that cam left there 15, there with you by. I give back. summers down had taht he in her at there were Antonio. San it would also Becuase credit. I We paid for. Andltought job.I my to my way inDenver.An jhd it had been And at. package that somepeople a Theypaid Iwent. ________ mos it's Anc for another class myself and tell wherefr's stay the full time. didn't I can theperson that were to filed but the hearing. OHI Silva Deloris 5-23-85 s6:59 i'm And he saying, Iwon'tmarry didn't know trucker, a was had lived I'm saying, li. two And you're now I And and not me id idn't whole way of only job I was Avon. life. I come in who I Helped a in out I becuase And can consider me own out I Icame to was staying place. same I going I!m waiting tobe for my to me D Selling School. sister. a The The And this live go Salt Lake with temporary. retirement again. retirement wculdn't place. My sister andmy brother-in-law own realy really course, Salt -- selling got The Salt Lake to visit with: the Ihad the bill to be - we me. AVON!! had Jefferson SOCIO for self workingpart time LakelI just barely beginning. footed like If el t there was.And to selling with And the situation. brother, came jobs. kids wanted This E change his pole again. Kathywasliving seller the best AVOn schoolsue Iwas I'm be here to Avon. Industrial State takingthese little was school. the totem married, Ane.of lot. a so a was my sayingno. inthe ro r eof And And for looking I Ithought. could get my I so lim get my back right - Ogden. was Industrial And the bottom of going thin he would work. to part time job with took sut!icient, Became went down. And living this double life. Istarted So me. I who's didn't And good job. was - with him. settle can somewhere I type of guy who hangups someone at devestating Unitl suit was alot of back down, with them. a road the was - type that seriously. To Icould get found Iwant the on takehim youth school, was out becuaseyou'renot divorced andus wasn't - the not really goingto settle down. with you people = at the the SChool issue. becuase again aHa Deloris 5-23-85 Silva s6:60 I was "What areyou Frank into Iran Downtown, these didn't at triedour think Ihad ... after all "this "You there's mean had been anc. Ogden. "I went to already? 83. I school Dr a doing you b I didn't •. thik had I with my he he for register with to that you up the offered Withthe couldn't hack in Davis "No, to life. onthe me 82. ah without a phone one day this was it 83 state get stability. divorce Iwas and is twice and came he went back job. eh sa i.d , started final." Iwas talking inner maintenance. as to in Denver.And couldn't divorce . and who or better I let working marry him So, He was until your - Now, CitY.Ogden City, being I've gotten not County time with the same he company. peopl.e Joyb SErvice. 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