Lucy and Juan Hernandez, Hispanic Oral Histories, Accn 1369

Juan Hernandez (b. 1902) tells the interpreter that he came to this country in 1917 because he wanted to find a job. His father had been killed in the revolution and he was the sole support of his family. He describes being a farm laborer in California before going to work for the railroad. Lucy (b. 1910) describes being a child in Mexico during the revolution and coming to the United States with her parents. Other topics covered include traveling in the West, a strike, marriage and childbirth, the Depression, and life in Ogden, Utah. Interviewed by Leslie Kelen, 70 pages.

University of Utah Marriott Library Manuscripts Division Accn 1369 Hispanic I Lucy Oral Histories and Juan Hernandez L=:== LUCY HERNANDEZ Leslie INTERVIEWER: Kelen 12-9-87 INTERPRETER: SIDE LK 1 INT Spanish. LK Full of first By getting, all, full name. name. PAPA S.panish. LK Juan INT J-u-a-n, LK Right. INT Yua LK Hernandez INT Oh, Hernandez. Do Okay . .r Y_ou,your Uh Hernandez. or you spell it is Hernandez Juan. J-u-a-n? H-e-r-n-a-n-d-e-z. is name what? huh. What not? is last your name? Castille. LK C-a-s-t-i-l-l-e. INT Uh LK Okay. huh. I want them know to who's lating here, who's speaking. what is INT Spanish. PAPA Spanish. INT He PAPA Spanish. MAMA Spanish. INT Sal, was father's your your doesn't when born. birth date? doing Okay. What day the Mr. were tans­ Hernandez, you born? remember. was my We'll dad born? have to 1 I know when my mother look that up. - 1902. 24, LK August PAPA Mexico. LK Where? PAPA Spanish. LK Where INT Mutual LK Mutua1com? 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PAPA So his their Brothers-in-Iaws. his were for horses the uncles. which had you his working his was brother-in­ uncles. too. wasn't the there, uncles were there. huh. effect ask your father just felt real killing his father have him. Spanish PAPA Spanish INT He said were all PAPA Spanish INT Spanish PAPA Spanish he little. He was 4 bad the and sad oldest because one. they INT He LK Was INT Spanish PAPA Spanish INT Yes. LK I'm afraid he INT to Why did life? own how out figure risk he old. ask to this leaving his family circumstance? that Spanish PAPA Spanish INT Because left. lived he Spanish INT Spanish. It was he And oldest. responsible, So him with an uncle, next to him, the says, he said that and uncle an Spanish. PAPA LK years his for just trying question. in fifteen about was his you know, the next to huh, uh huh. he corne while oldest he second he carne brother to would over took the be here. over his place. INT Uh LK Did to his the idea of sending money back family? INT Spanish PAPA Spanish INT He he say after with only send it that LK He never INT He lost he send touch didn't to send them no one time and then more. anymore. with all 5 the family for a long time. LK Ask your How he father Spanish PAPA Spanish MAMA Spanish PAPA Spanish INT They came LK How, how INT Spanish PAPA Spanish INT No, INT Yeah. LK So what INT Uh huh. LK So they LK They INT Yeah. LK There carne physically. they ... they just went right across under the across. go walked? Just Uh did and LK INT he through Novalles. said he what how came. LNT wires describe to did Spanish. crossed They just do? they They the never border crossed the border? got caught. basically illegally is they did. huh. went was right under you and your uncle? PAPA Spanish LK Father's INT Spanish PAPA Spanish brother? 6 some wires father's there, brother? barbed wire? Your INT Spanish PAPA Spanish INT No, LK Brother-in-law. INT Spanish PAPA Spanish INT Nothing, not Ask your describe INT Spanish PAPA Spanish LK What PAPA Spanish MAMA Spanish INT Me that bought the They stopped Spanish PAPA Spanish INT Tucson. PAPA Spanish INT And to then in from they got bus, work bread little INT a of with­ out nothing. no remembers he as What leaving. they stopped like LK like best journey him? to to try happened happened? said with clothes, as with they crossed the border. after and father have he They just walked thing. No the did What a nothing. out LK brother-in-law. a bit and of what at some they they got so ffien so on this many many, that you to know, eat had. town? Arizona take like stuff money stores, I want place and 7 to a go, so then arrigotcha know, you much men that's means like here when he to in go got and buss on that LK On a INT Spanish PAPA Spanish INT Oh, LK There INT No, on LK Now what INT Dringoncha. they work. to came bus? the on a Huh, On train. a there. buses no were Uh train. train. did that word call you Wht that does again? word mean in English Sal? SAL Oh, it means something like bunch of guys INT Yeah, uh huh. SAL A contracts guy farmer LK A train them. to work. Or contracts that them to get a a work. to work together contractors And gang. where did he where get, was the taking him? INT Spanish PAPA Spanish INT Sacramento. LK And PAPA Spanish INT In what the did farm, ing right he there? do working away PAPA Spanish INT Beets, topping LK Okay. How long on on the What the farm. happened? farm. He Spanish beets. was he 8 in Sacramento? started work­ INT Spanish PAPA Spanish INT Four years. PAPA Spanish LK Four years? with his INT Spanish PAPA Spanish MAMA Spanish PAPA Spanish INT He know LK So INT No. SAL He how he never know how how to them sent to write. Had probably moving was it that he lost contact any money and My dad still no to then he doesn't write. couldn't write. he is family? says didn't him Ask around way so contact much, no them. permanent address. INT Yeah. LK Right. INT Dh SAL Just LK Did INT Spanish PAPA Spanish INT Yeah. LK After he Nowhere to reached. be huh. got lost. he think about Sacramento, his the family in those years? four go? q years there, where did • INT Spanish PAPA Spanish INT He PAPA Spanish INT 1921 PAPA Spanish MAMA Spanish LK What's INT My mother says that wasn't he said he about 1925 when in 1917 and because Well, in be it longer was than that but there four years. he carne over here then he was it So, to Utah. Ogden, LK Say again. that? would it Utah. to carne left you Sacramento so it would be 1921. spent four years Your mother's right. INT Spanish PAPA Si? INT Spanish PAPA Spanish LK It INT Yeah. LK A INT Uh LK How was probably eight little years. Seven or eight years. he think of longer. huh. beet did your work? INT Spanish PAPA Spanish father How did like he 10 - what react to did that? the INT He PAPA Spanish MAMA Spanish LK Ask that's said him they had when he describe what to describe INT all did he on was the there. farm. To it. Spanish PAPA Spanish INT And PAPA Spanish INT Dh Why don't huh. can go SAL If she INT Okay. LK Ask pick to ifically INT Spanish PAPA Spanish INT Topping. LK What INT Spanish PAPA Spanish INT It and did was a I'll Spanish INT Boarding PAPA Spanish INT Oh, yeah, he what asparagus. and see if she go. did. Dh live in? camp. did did huh, Spanish. someone he How Spanish. they Linda call describe what they had PAPA you work to Nicole. up doesn't him They used too. asparagus that It on the farm, spec­ they do their work? yeah. was used to like a camp of cook. house. it was contracted. 11 It was a contract. men LK Did INT Spanish. PAPA Spanish INT Then they stay go they got done with the beets and they with LK So they did INT Uh huh. LK Asparagus. INT Uh PAPA Spanish INT He done there was with one else. he Does and asparagus. Spanish PAPA Spanish INT He he Okay. INT Spanish PAPA Spanish INT Oh, Why did 'cause another Utah But INT Spanish know, the and You then know, there they'd was some­ they could do. name the of place so was he leave he and the remember name there why did he LK thing doesn't the man's LK always work. That company? he for? INT says You remember worked to beets. Lettuce said thing But lettuce. the huh. get LK year? Spanish. Yeah. after would all land that on was a that name to the company. Billy Barba. there to come here? chance to move from was from - came. want of move? Why? bring a there man to here PAPA INT Spanish 'Cause he PAPA Spanish INT Then when already getting tired just was doing the there staying he said same all thing the time. got here he started working for the he railroad. did LK How INT Spanish PAPA Spanish INT Spanish PAPA Spanish MAMA Oh, long LK How did Spanish PAPA Spanish INT Oh, PAPA Spanish LK The but, Spanish INT Spanish PAPA Spanish INT Spanish. know, because in when they Sacramento The Okay. railroad? and went shipped send they company, They got much men, and on the work and my got them your ..• papers.here. said 13 he And was send know, they I one want guess of like, whatever. flyers, you know, railroad. dad you letters, up so around the railroad? PAPA you on get the job? company the job that. before he INT To get the he he the to corne asked ones that wanted Uh job huh. So for LK What kind on the they got here he already railroad. the basically railroad was advertising of did What work? the railroad want Let him do him do? INT Spanish PAPA Spanish INT Laying LK Don't INT Okay. PAPA Spanish INT Changing tracks. answer put Spanish PAPA Spanish INT He rails just work the men Spanish PAPA Spanish INT They're LK Were INT Spanish PAPA Spanish taking he was INT and under. and on all it. Spanish ties married other questions. new said What his Okay. INT LK when huh. Uh to here So men. INT to come. his had LK to then he track track that all kept gang the on made time working up there? deceased they Mexican men now. or what? of? up, you until on he the Who know, got track. were the INT of LK is There all only the How big for them? INT Spanish PAPA Spanish. LK 120? PAPA Spanish INT Spanish. one track the was his gang 120. The only white guy foreman. foreman was and was Joe started their was foreman. assistant American he when Oh, general name Ramirez Challis. Sadina And ones. and left work foreman, The assistant the to general foreman was Mexican. INT How LK That INT On Promontory? Spanish INT Yeah, LK Ask that what Spanish PAPA Spanish INT He PAPA Spanish. Put LK says they remember I the to Union build the railroad. do some new so Pacific. with many like would he a typical day as got to work and him. they go straight It's nothing but Mexicans. describe Where worker. would INT was father your track Chinese the say earlier. was PAPA a they come to work. years. Put the ties in. ones. Pacific Would you go down to the Union Would you go down to the station 15 and station? would get on train the INT Spanish PAPA Spanish INT Oh, SAL Wherever LK So PAPA Yes. SAL They had extra worked LK Did SAL Uh a everything on the place? those of one on and kitchen a trains? the on train. I too. you? huh. would move. lived all It's Whenever he When to or you started was a them done. camp The the on have they You big job on whole you be Spanish PAPA Spanish INT $1. 25. LK A INT No. LK $1.25 INT Uh huh. LK So you A day? $1.25 a know an day? getting about $10.00 a back ... railroad what hour? were it done. hour. an They their kitchen getting paid? INT camp train. just bring to the Nevada whenever to Maybe off, work to and know. Nevada. there be whole a train the on everything, Utah to big job a take they'd Yeah, was and LK to they needed them. there to you gangs. lived you they would take and day? was he PAPA Spanish INT Yeah. He said and they used know, you $6.00 to day, a LK Say again. INT I he said they were LK So they INT Uh huh. LK But INT what he $4.00 for boarding, he So was only getting he taking $4.00 day, a because money for out uh food, $6.00 he because taking $4.00 for making $10.00 was to was day but eat there. food? huh. know, you that would days did you work a a week? is a fair have been about, How many days work? you Spanish PAPA Spanish INT A LK Six INT Spanish PAPA Spanish INT Yeah, week. days? What the he no was LK to take there. that Yeah, of That's get $10.00. really. said were how many did eat actually, amount he'd says union was the treatment INT Spanish PAPA Spanish INT He says, they'd says kind nothing or - work ask that of your the hard 17 Saturdays because there then. father men to talk a bit about got. because they expected, you know, work LK lot a know, sense of, they would have to hard. really they feel in any Did you the, from he abused something. Okay? was by the foreman? INT Spanish PAPA Spanish INT o. LK Was INT Pretty fair, LK Okay. the treatment Let huh. uh me ask Thank Gracias. he INT Gracias, LK Okay. MAMA My first name? LK Your pretty fair? your mom you. says, mom. Why don't you give full full My LK Lucy Chairez, MAMA C-h-a-i-r-e-z. LK Hernandez MAMA March LK And MAMA I where born in It's big house is your date of birth? born? you near don't a, well, Try to explain it. but where hacienda the ones 18 Fresnillo. big city. a in born okay. farms Hernandez. ... What hacienda a hacienda. MAMA C-h-i- were say That's Okay? name. 1910. I LK Lucy Chairez Okay. But was full your name. name? MAMA 14, me I know how do you they call them when it's run all the farms. a That's the big hacienda, you know. SAL It's MAMA Uh INT Yeah,that's what it is. INT So plantation. a huh. were born in they're near a you a hacienda that ran a lot of farms. MAMA Uh LK Okay. MAMA But LK That MAMA The LK huh. estate in near the Fresnillo. pecos. understand. I Right. near Fresnillo. was were That's big city. family? your MAMA There's LK Three MAMA And LK What MA..fI.1A Francisco. INT You my me, How Okay. Besides sister and many you? little my children brother. children. one dead. the are didn't names of your get my grandma's parents? name. My dad's mother's name. LK We'll backtrack INT Okay. MAMA Francisco LK Josepha? MAMA Uh LK Okay. did huh. and Josepha, Josepha What did get it. my mother. CHairez. your family they make their living 19 do at? for a living? What MAMA My brother LK Your MAMA My or father. with the he Well, father. Government? MAMA Uh LK Your MAMA Uh LK What INT Spanish MAMA I LK Sure, MAMA Yeah. INT Spanish father but my dad mostly was soldier? a Yeah. huh. his was don't need tell MAMA Spanish PAPA Spanish MAMA Oh, LK As tell to kind What rank? of that? you a He soldier? was a soldier? me. huh. uh did soldier what job? Do Fighting, LK So your father MAMA Uh huh. Yeah. LK Was MAMA Just a regular. LK Just a sergeant. MAMA Uh LK Okay. an father your he know what you MA..T'..1A he too Soldier. huh. a garmed government. LK his grandfather. my fighting was officer with in or the the What was did? Avia. Panchos Vivas. revolution? he was do? just a regular soldier? huh. What did you, as 20 a young person, as a child, what did MAMA Me? LK Yeah, what MAMA Well, I MAMA and was they? Oh, the ones and take some You MAMA So LK You MM1..A Yeah. Uh lot corne and lot I so hunt in call, you INT Spanish MAMA Uh huh. and horses I - soldiers me. of things. we was I they put all the ran, say, you you know, there. This know, whae him he you remember I hurt they to house my and tried so me. know. that dust, He you time. 21 to the He know, That with a lot a me of was houses we .•. run to soldiers don't didn't They and that they put the hull horses, corne had so They thing. one they house So that don't with and scared. people remember I playing do saved, was the girls. the all And Spanish. fed I those save huh. what of, dust All they hid them? mean a in corne they raped them? mean they didn't do houses. and hide, They they put in the church. unrnrnaried, LK things. the from to run that through Vivas. Pancho with revolution? carne? Who everything people, they corne other do they Who ones that the of remember you remember hacienda LK do revolution? the of see you my with hurt hurt house me. the but me The they don't hurt was horrible. Those LK things. The soldiers All on Yeah. LK How many MAMA Oh, I LK About MAMA Oh, LK A MAMA Uh LK Did INT Spanish MAMA I INT Spanish MAMA I LK What don't know. you hacienda, in that LK Uh huh. MAMA Do you killing, you know. some ... killing. remember and that you remember? kill the one house huh. Because they and who take It was mean? I want bad. the They just that's Well, take hard they kill of care everything. to You a one to know who 22 want the know, and lot of what was take They kill they found. generals, who. to they killed. everything. say horses Because the Running that. LK did town. know what Uh How seeing? do What big They Many men? know, you do you corne many. people killed? see remember was do They somebody? It horses? on hundred? a hundred? of remember, it. all that. than huh. Too fifty, ten, couple it. they corne? would more They were carne, horses? MAMA MAMA that you know. MAMA Uh LK When MAMA huh. did Well, because uncle living three o'clock brother So and that time. LK What year MAMA Huh? LK What year, MAMA No. I told him to right LK '17, MAMA I LK So you MAMA Uh huh. LK So, was do because it's up say my dad my too much. My uncle got food we get everything.at remember? you remember. old you? were eight years. about eight. Myself. INT 1918. huh./ Uh Then Marie was about huh? huh. Yeah. MAMA Uh INT And LK Which way MAMA I uncle don't and He so were my wake that? How about it night wouldn't was did you remember. father cause another about come leave. away. about eleven, my right us don't away time my One he and morning and was '18. farm the grandpa, my trouble. same another Mexico? leave to in they help and the for on leave to say family decide your said was we we four. Which way go? We just don't forbidden. travel. I traveled in travel That's and go? nights because the what remember step in my brother's ?1 did you daytime be­ he said. Day that my mother pools of water. And Cook, the LK MA uh Yeah, take to can the huh. Uh MA Because now in the making tortillos. They got everything in We got that - thing - know mothers you of their kids. said, these kids do all they huh. that and my I for house no - built father cooking a We're still LK You're still traveling. MA Uh huh. we hear And And noises there's another people, the camp other through it. ditch so ditch, you when mother don't us. we the put run a wife my father escaped so we side but my hand the than on my long they, it said. they through passing 24 but and away we have hide. kids, two and we mother over into whooping cough. started looking, soldier Maybe Maybe he's corne the got in that was. we they carne sister's mouth and that and another so jumped sister soldiers don't know who dad know, start close and but people, her That's what my when side know, we so with stayed this know how We man We do to traveling again was we ditch with water big a you mother watch She horses of going traveling. night one and my fire Uh huh. us. don't nothing, no or were. So for corn. But care LK corn know. you grind to that beans. know, you puddles, Yes, cook mother my out look it a I for was bigga. again. my big. So LK Start MAMA Uh INT Sal? SAL Yes. INT Oh, okay. MAMA But we LK How long MAM, I LK But awhile. MAMA One time when SIDE MAMA traveling again. huh. Aren't you have don't were pick go do traveling for, you Nicole? up time. hard a to going know? you know. we are ready the Rio ... 2 And mother said, Said we over there. we sleep, morning and get up where we United States. States. my And family. don't they leave don't We said I to going your talk with to, the to We uncle, send I'm some an more. 25 He say, the going money. you So, uncle family because when they no It That's come we to go miles, next snow. know. had Then the snow. the you We got down. come that uncle an how many with covered stopped in Chiuhua. that's where my dad know Chiuhua, have He cold Covered to start don't so Chiuhua. nearer, there. was we know. you I It and up Grande stop before, know. wake snowing, was we So you we to going were and to the United leave to He say, go better. over My mother So I-don't yeah, all the The boxing INT Box cars. MAMA Boxing we send to get in the in there, in that LK Uh huh. MAMA We had MAMA Disinfect? MAMA Uh get one one and go to you the big the Uh LK Where did MAMA Well, in to Juarez. right away They make the clothes ... you in and showers all our day, next there. the and room gringo bring again and then the LK put all the everything Put in MAMA to ... womeans then pu steam. Yeah. and go. to pullman. support. and chest a church with the they, that because about That pictures. they The for Juarez to huh. in We it they put all the people That stay to go. they put remember can I go. cars. best us, I to how many know but people car. Then don't want I no, say in mem when we the come put it clothes, before know You the train other out on come, came. huh. eat it's And a in the that train that pullman. with cups It's no It's more coffee like baloney us day and then nice a morning they of you? depot they give sandwich the take train. come, with milk. this coffee 26 we those It now. and bread get the train, I remember. colored people, good coffee. was And with sand- wich and Nice train. many days but where LK we That's treat they Bunkhouse? MAMA Uh LK What MAMA We stay there, it was the well, store do you from the beds us beets because Sheridan, where we to and they get paid, they but they sadder. And get groceries what made us that went $10 to pay if they send still we so is one or when The MAMA Passports. LK The passports MAMA No, they're it, you INT That don't they get groceries say, not but we you they through there to got money. told them get passports, had money. were So I don't pay us.· That's that the they had don't know get them and there. still LK was no them over money together, blankets. topping they told them so a, ... and and get the groceries in us they told them that they don't got money ones That's there? think, I Then cold. too they give did work of topping beets, To Yeah. Wyoming. like just houses, Then yeah. kind know, train. don't know how stop in Sheridan, not LK from then, I they took you and they put where huh, that ... they're well, And Pullman. we in nice us there, arestill still huh? there. there. You nver Sometimes I got them. want to get know. kind of dirty though. 27 Take your passports. MAMA So But LK Right. MAMA I I Uh That's where kids did What MAMA Hitting doors LK Rocks? INT An LK Axes. MAMA Uh had we one have we you Broke their with bad a long? from move there One season. take us year. kids. the windows picks, the we playing us the from beets. know. you they give The another to Thinning time, That know. they do? us. they So thinning beets. That's LK there just were you Maybe less. huh. those remember when I how For most. at farm. Sheridan? you warm. So see. were but know already Maybe MAMA long not. or eat. to get groceries How don't it LK did we they're there if don't know I they, With bad a time. house. The .•. axe. huh. One taken my river. sister, know, that, river. you know. I you was brother Big with river. day his So but they throw him, and then get our running and and to kneeled we We was I look throw to crying, and him and my was crying you know, laughing, go 28 to the throw and in prayed, the my you the not to do they don't do it so as him they in they already got him, going arms, know. going we And remember brother and and far you house as know. they And can we and my mother don't know t{me they and know, about want to they hurt day they broke wait, last the men LK I MAMA So us he talk them wherever take with very bad. in kill the and in every rocks, you Sometimes, us. other and Spanish the windows the in Hut crYlng. come come took but American us dad was we they to time my who so door a you know, the it on just so we So that was people tell English and said, Spanish. He they want to work. him that we going says they to leave. see. they tell and go he They did everything so they said okay. will my father to you said, pay when we look for live there a In Denver? MAMA In Denver. LK Who's INT He's LK So, MAMA Yeah, many to Uh I I going There And So brother, my lot a I more. Denver. to is another and want that's you Mexican of so know, people get along fine. we huh. Then don't remember school, in No more. goodness, my put you Denver. job. know where. go to and no no, and me meve LK We We said, don't I father so know. got ajob, we Is go to that I don't school. okay? doing it? doing it. you I went to Denver and you went to school but I months. And I was 29 so went to school? don't know for sick with how rheumatiz. I snow and told us Americans, two stand to day One that. remember and wife a and there over walked we school to her husband, know I in they going get pictures because they got that thing here. to camera? LK A MAMA Yeah. they took So still So my sister had to do and to my mother but I go have that my In Devils' MAMA Uh huh. LK Right. MAMA But get and bring in and so come his to mother my they helped rhematiz. Then in brother so me after Devil's Slide. Slide? he Then send the us money to come to Slide. don't I I can't walk. I house with my dad write LK Devil's the to were stop and she don't know what to sick so was we Sometimes that rheumatiz that sick with school. the walking toward so pictures and then our how know long stay we in Denver. I don't know. LK That's MAMA Then we LK You MAMA No. okay. take the train canLt get for a we job Devil's to for my dad Slide over and then there. couldn't? So he said, That's what my job and well, father's my LK Your brother-in-law MAHA Uh huh. go With his sister. have to go to uncle brother, Corinne. say. So I with you. give brother's we came wife So with you too, we you all, he to go know. leaves to Corinne. That's my his job and we Corinne. to go LK So he MAMA Uh huh. LK Why did he do MAMA Because he want INT He MAMA His his left was huh? job, that? to with my come father. papa's brother. my INT brother, married MAMA So he on the They work MAMA Thinning LK Again. MM'f..A Uh How So, months did their MAMA on like it my want to over there come to MAMA It's the I farm don't Corinne He and worked in work they together? know there. parents it like country die and make already In come, the thws a I year. What country? always don't want Then to some my GArland they like come, we to was go I say, back, I people working dad and make people in Garland. 31 how here? friends too. stay, we My mother Yeah. here. Garland. train but how may Maybe here. over people who Yeah. to come feeling about being They LK station. the again. stay your like the the beets huh. many was farm. LK LK And He sister. job in his leave station. the dad's his to brother-in-law./ his oh, you they said houses for know. They come on already. them took LK The train MAMA And they make houses, little many in kitchen the same. LK All the MAMA Uh Just front. come they said feed them the MA..MA Uh huh. LK Wait MAMA Uh They make they lika if So people. and that then outside walk the houses. little To the they put and one the how all same always the kitchen in the roombut one They kept LK that of front the and know, you don't know I same. huh. make houses, know. you you, they get new ones know, you the to they get but the to this man for the when they and restaurant houses. houses? this So ... second. a There's huh. lot a of in people Mexican there, LK people./ How do people many you think? don't know. MAMA I LK Many, do MAMA Yeah, maybe. they work they get working year the you and on a think? the job half people that LK Scattering? INT Scattering, a My father got there. a Over uh 100? job a farm. When the factory. on they over no Some don't know. there, longer other So I we stay in GArland because start scattering. huh. 32 I think well, farm people for a most of MAMA Uh huh. And from there. here and over here. they told dad my and corne They corne get him to try here were over to come They're friends, good friends. The MAMA The Vesanyos. LK They MAMA Uh huh. we come. Vesanyos? here were LK Right. MAMA Uh When already? they And my huh. This big S.P.? Southern MAMA Yeah. He he after LK You MAMA Yeah. and you got the at job a when that, to they come, roundhouse. don't come with Send some money. him until Garland? that soon And out come. after as come. We of as can because then the I write he send I we roundhouse my mother to some money and work we because, you into the can't see Spanish? strike. INT Oh, MAMA A LK Nobody MAMA No. strike. Nobody can can go out. leave. They work but nobody else roundhouse. Now, to in then that outside, now, up Pacific? us still And said dad first. come told were and corne roundhouse? LK LK people They already dead. LK go first the let me THen after understand 33 that can send something. go some money There was ... a strike going MAMA there and on your that what it was? Well, they working but there are LK Soldiers? MAMA Because the for for put soldiers And siders. Then house MAMA Yeah. LK And No, they MAMA Inside. LK So Yeah, From the ably outside. LK Yeah. later MAM to no, can't work in ones they and go get that job from out­ but. stayed inside the round­ doing was the soldiers were pro­ inside. guess. uh who people were on strike who were prob­ huh. You know, it's very interesting. Sometimes they did is they used Greeks and Italians what in. who The leave. people LK Yeah, was father were MAMA MAMA I that huh. they tecting said work. can the Is they're working. Uh what father something, or ones nobody didn't and the your round­ leave. don't understand. don't understand I Right. I ones, get that job to outside. think my I to the outside. soldiers that want LK didn't want father house .and people outside were Mexicans From other to break places Yeah. 34 to strikes. break They brought strikes. and men LK That MAMA Uh LK Which MAMA Yeah. LK For MAMA Uh LK So, MAMA Yeah, could would have huh. huh. uh we to come remembered ice what the Yeah, what lighted time. MAMA In that time. Yeah, MAMA Uh of like, know used I I depot. what ah, do lamps lamps? use call they remember snow and the those to know what I of it, now there is And those are no a few cars. was one who pick us and up take us ... uh huh. But time everybody ago in their windows LK And Just There huh. long front ... ... that INT cars don't were. At the I lot a was That's December or You lamp. A fashioned INT taxis. in this 1923. was they call those, huh. cars There ice in come in November little them? those we 'cause wait to Ogden. was do old uh then So It that told you he anyway, Yeah, dangerous. Yup. remember. to here. it father. your they call MAMA been huh. when INT hav Washing I remember but the I a remember business with clean the in water sidewalks? 35 town. That when I 25th Street which go was to in was a school cleaning the ... l'ft..AMA Yeah. the And picking Yeah, LK With a little MAMA With that you like is white little with papers a cart, Spanish. little Spanish. pick. the And know. from know You cart. Street, it the up that with men gutters And Ugh uh. today. the depot clean. that 25th on Is in man not that .•. LK White uniform. MAMA Yeah. It's thing clean. And LK Where did go MAMA Uh. LK And Ivt.AMA Reeves LK Rievus? INT Reeves. MAMA Spanish INT Spanish. MAMA There We you now every­ ... Where live? to the to go Everything is clean, different. and 21st did you move to? Reeves? Reeves? Avenue. I R-e-e-v-e-s. It just like was Arnericanos. no think. a .... Italianos. No. THey live, Italians. of lot INT A MAMA And INT It's MAMA Is INT That's MAMA Uh that an Italians. - it is In not a that street. street. It's an avenue. Yeah. avenue. only Italians people live in there. where Nick huh. American And ... then, lady. So but Mexican marry with that's 36 where we start the living. Then it Mexicans and Italians was in there. Uh huh. Yeah. LK You M&?.1A Yeah. I It in was they school? to went went house a making say Joseph. St. to a time. that at Do one. new Catholic A And INT St. Ann's. MAMA st. Ann's. LK Yes, MAMA That's the new LK That's the one they were building. MAMA Yeah. Then we move from the Uh huh. MAMA Yeah. new school. You went went We to LK For each pupil. MAMA But now, boy, to that school that I LK MAMA Grant LK Oh, MAMA Is LK Right. the two remember Then we School. school. over there. 37 there? I month for the, too much. or three how many move I'm school and to School. more to there Avenue? Grant no Maybe don't school. Grant To a new they charge don't know. know. house one. they charge only $5.00 I the yeah. do, I yes, LK because is? one the then know where you new To School. sorry. remember teaching. then And years I don't stay there in Grant. MArvt...A Dh huh. when So farm here over and too Where MAMA They don't take LK And MAMA Dh LK Where MAMA My mother? MAMA remember I layoff they and my sister's the academy. They it to they already married have academy ... is, used They bring me. went me up be there. the to academy. there? you huh. was So mother Yeah. And my Who LK She what? MAMA She give them INT She used to LK Oh, I INT Over MAMA Because yars mother give board me to two or three farm. board. cook I see. they father? the in were time one brother. and my with your mens. and, :.but father And my went they mother? your chosen my LK father clinic the Yeah. and school that my at me INT left the, again they leave and to go to they go the to we them. for get it. there. brother my about was fourteen or fifteen old. LK He was MAMA He work. he was to be and my then? working Then my working. a big man. sister go father He don't You stay and don't go. go. But my brother Because try know. And my brother-in-law They went to the too. 38 farm too. Garland LK In MAMA No, LK Where already here in Ogden. we did in WEst Here LK Oh, in West MAMA The farms. LK You were MAMA Uh farm did they WE he were off the railroad Yeah. LK But but Yeah. LK What MAMA Well, they lay him later roundhouse the he on got off. they laid back to work on not in the roundhouse. roundhouse. On the track gang? huh. discrimination there MAMA for again. the in Uh Yeah. here. roundhouse.Because then But not already living here. My brother work for the railroad worked him Was Ogden. Yeah. after So Ogden. Afterthe MAMA LK Which Corinne? already living huh. too. LK to they go to? go MAMA Garland? again. kind of here for in you Ogden? discrimination? not nobody neries 'cause, and you know don't that's - my 'cause railroad I work, can you know, father In the they started canneries. 39 in the can- try to but they don't they discrimination for the just canneries. LK we can/work they hear it but remember when woman's when to the the woman's world war get in Mexicans they started, in that And MAMA Uh LK Where are MAMA Well, there huh. over LK everywhere. no are there in West But in those Okay. Where canneries? the canneries more because one don't work it and Ogden they? are was no more. days which canneries do you re- member? INT The Utah Cannery. MAMA The Utah Cannery. INT California MAMA Yeah. LK What MAMA Tomatoes LK And MAMA Well, kind But MAMA No. stuff of and they canning? were peaches and cherries. and catsup they wouldn't hire Mexicans A MAMA Un war is, just women? when they started they wouldn't. then lot Italians of discrimination Just the or Mexicans. until LK when they hired, hiring LK Packing. for the in work there but they don't Italians. Mexicans. huh. Yeah. roundhouse, But then started I for other people. was during working for did? LK You MAMA Yeah./ This MAMA Yeah. LK Well, LK Well, LK How war now? Yeah. now we skipped something about, MAMA the that's did you many how did 1926. Uh meet? 40 years you huh. here. meet your Tell me husband? the MAMA Well, remember I dances. make they tell NO, MAMA Well, LK In their MAMA In the homes. LK In the homes. MAMA And me. homes then that's just when or dances? What Yeah. LK The 5th May INT The 16th of MAMA Yeah. LK So, of the rent they know. parties, That's the is meet you kind of dances? 16th hall. the for or More September, Mexicans, independence. independence. too. husband? your How did happen? the MAMA In LK Did MAMA No. LK What MAMA No, INT Talk, MAMA Talking. LK Did somebody MAMA No, no. LK Just dances, you you in know, him to up go and dance. ask him to dance? happened? just, we I just, we you know. guess. We to got married match in 1929. up? you each know other? LK MAMA Yeah. Here Uh in huh./ when so. May the big a September how did know, you ... for you of know. Make Mexican. dances, you See, Which LK the in I, Where did Ogden. 41 you get married? it LK In Ogden? INT In st. Joseph's Church. LK In St. Joseph. MA.A But don't I didn't go LK What MA.A Well, I grade in went maybe was sick my you That's I But know. was So I school. years she and the But and had That's why all. is brother my to three mother oh, know. mean, grade. years or stay in the in? only want, two to more. no you fifth more I grade. school were the I quit. who to ashamed you was that for old too I because school don't want I remember. my she to only sister, she, because stop take one of care my mother. did your mother LK What MAMA Well, her on that She MAMA Vh the to go LK always doctor the- diet she have she she died of the wa& sh sick with? pain in the stomach that she but and Wha have? have stay an ulcer her on and and they put diet but after thing. same did? huh. that Then, she little had girl. you that know, ulcer Because it It destroyed her liver. LK It destroyed her liver? MAMA Vh huh. LK So she had it a the for go long time. 42 doctor told us maybe since she to her liver, that was you a know. MAMA that's So what the doctor She say. it had for a long time. INT said He had that just liver. soda And than of MAMA anacin. LK Was your MAMA Oh, for That's mother used many years right to her lot of baking a and that that take to so did all more the time. bad. too and take to seltzer alka She good. And used she then lot a had she ulcer through her stomach, ate and harm the your father religious? Were they religious? Yeah, yeah. the ing in the choir. LK Did your MAMA My mother He teach teach because kindergarten, and my brother mother, mother teached LK Crotcheting. MAMA Yeah, but the in I she know, was so mad in said one too. said, school, because you she her for that because they church. teaching sister 43 see me she told my crotchet. like My treat to read. And she don't like bad. Because, me they scratch her face, I know. they here for She to you crotchet±ng. Joseph's, St. time, like sing­ singing in the he but my with don't I when reading. I is Spanish, grade, sister he pray? in some, it. like for to read first about don't I how to had the and my much care he He's things you how me the don't to Mexico, time. the all belong mother here Over church in mother my that. That I you then it know. scratched the other girl, INT Ruler. MAMA And do this to crying when I I know, talk other and he And I the hospital. She side. do jump SIDE LK my sister And we too when pile don't they here over one and crying was them I so to they broke And went. There the ... is side the and wire a an arm girls in then climb in in other there, side, you that and fence get my brother, We got married. arm. to you I the of my They have the day, toher you know, don't know what wire but I can't know. When you got married, where did live? live on Oh, yeah. Where I Wall Wall Street. INT you they broke his years, was 3 you MAMA And boys in this see a But, They keep separate you know. brother. the there I •.. they won't take her but she climb in the thing. I seven that they took him in the ambulance remember know, to only was get that big know. in sisters, that. do you And the hard so get my brother in kids the sister, my Nothing. English. Oh, sister that see and come sister. my for cry they So they prejudiced. then And know. you was Uh and and 29th Street. 30th. That Wall house is and till huh. born? That's 44 on 27th and ... 30th there. born MAMA No, INT I LK When MAMA Well, 1930. LK 1930. She MAMA She you did MAMA Yeah, LK At horne. MAMA Uh huh. LK How We first your first? your yeah. oldest, give birth you child? to her at horne or ••• Yeah. did in those you The know. you days? How know. They did give you days? good doctor, a houses, those in it do you have they and Wall. horne. at birth MA.""1A was Did Yeah. have you the was LK 28th 27th. on up grew and Wall. 27th on doctor, corne to the house. carne to the house But call you to corne the and up they don't do that no more. LK They MAMA Uh LK Did you MAMA Well, LK Did your MAMA Her in INT Who was the boys MAMA No. huh. in INT have also there's the in were you have and the born one of house? in the my midwife? I in the house. thought you said sons all hospital. Sarah in the hospital. Frank LaPinz in the hospital. You house. a corne? house born Did midwife? a ... mother Yeah. the birth? Yeah. hospital. Oh. the for in d the Jenny huh. MAMA Uh LK Did you have Did house? the In help? somebody help you? just MAMA Well, LK Mother. MAMA And LK Do the mother. my They doctor. it remember what you to come the house. like was Uh huh. first having your was good. child? suffer. MAMA I LK It MAMA Yeah. That Were those hard years financially? LK Now those MAMA Uh have two to know. Well, ever the are Uh go To get some a suffering, huh. pass And trains if ask they did I The first He have we can coal enough get because Or you know, for remember when the children, were years. know. one other war? LK the good job because you with so to buy coal days before that pay day and always provide, MAMA don't we three or you depression Sometimes huh. because INT had when yeah. he long time. a years Oh, You know, you those MAMA we doctor, for doctor was LK pretty hard? was war? 46 who I that so on credit. sometimes don't ... remember being without. They us. the been depression, soldiers in they the They LK Their MAMA Or LK Yes, MAMA And some and they have nothing relief. some their rights. in cars, you something. or people kids in know. still is tree I can know. you come on one with they're hungry. do something for them. We were too but poor we They're American people. eat. to something and know, you they so know, stop in, They eat. big know, you come to a there, Food, have they too house my remember, they had nothing. LK And MAMA They LK And MAMA Yeah. It was them. No welfare. from come surprised friends, them you my money you, huh? when Hoover five or know to California, pay know. But but know, did LK What MAMA Well, LK So MAMA Yeah. LK What you you I said they for use gave Not up much, had. of the if can I something that they know, save and and get those tbings, money money I come the eat lend sorry I 47 some was okay. you for I sorry to me work no got nothing but never feel your that tell and debts something there for ain't I my I and come okay but they said, and dollars and know. you remember I know, you four got, you for Yes. money of their You ask yes. side I to go to Washington MAMA I'm and give them poor the for? or for but buy coal. them? ... I too, money. you MAMA Uh huh. LK In those people Some MAMA Yeah, were another Do you know. They laid sister got come they laid him off but he He if say, then wait I LK Passport you mean? MAMA No. INT A to have I you get lose my I I'm a still can off little a said well he so before Mexico to go to one remember back. brother-in-law and my Mexico. to sent remember, I back went people some years that? my boy going and to Because pass. get his pass. pass. pass. train. the MAMA For INT Like LK Oh, INT Uh MAMA You LK I MA_A And they And my a they give them. ticket Yes I it. get huh. don't have to got it right, brother him no, over there and dad. yeah. work in You let So wife and my kid. take it. So Don't you too Mexico. there. to he us here Over know And my it. husband find You too. a place there with your mother right okay, away I going brother so we to no, we going see can take said Anyway, only go first and 48 husband my and my first. go said take layoff over better you over too. it. they going say told pay go my don't to everything go over there before then after He's don't want he okay but the taking you number they stop writing, they write Something, the food make, food the money so still tell my him send brother my and him to send my sister if you when until he him you got some and said He to know. you money sister. don't, write send some don't I sick, to So yard. he know, you husband. my then say, real was sick so was and But he I can't the years ... Settle. ... huh. uh and So have I no the know contact no Yeah, LK Why did MAMA Well, I in the take a work you and belong we we to don't know what stay us with he's dead or what. happened. the two We don't Yeah. bad. too Six Well, children? to Six so had you dhildren and work. roundhouse. job so don't the and pass with more. started you months I That's bad. because kids if children? war MAMA house don't too how many of the sister My more. That's in then But they stop writing. no kids. LK he said send MAMA know, you and back, and said wife. the in there, brother my INT in one how many months his leave to he And they don't layoff month a sister. my in the We, poor. pay so company. houses. 49 roundhouse. you much The know, rent with because company a lot the buy those LK By the railroad you mean? MAMA Because there LK I MAMA So to want they through they don't make with the railroad. so see. is houses the that LK So MAMA And LK Right. MAMA So INT I'm LK That's INT Okay. MAMA So the were start I roundhouse. where the INT Goodbye, MAMA Okay. LK Thank MAMA And the rilaroad. in come you or I know. they The move at mean us place to ... mom. you. the I for For the MAMA For them you know, work and at huh? the work the at the house where they fill .•. railroads. LK And doing fine. Cleaning, engines sometimes this, leave. for working houses. long time. a to We're okay. Brick houses. good have to going by the workers. month. a stay there. for we rent cheap. was they the paid by Only five dollars I railroad the pass when where the the other It's train they oil is in. and roundtable. the, come come that f romtt.he 50 And clean and then table like everything It's roundhouse roundhouse a the, over and there. the lady here over tracks Line up. MAMA Line up other the with to they going LK Right. MAMA To go out See? you know, house, table wake I so you know. LK You started MAMA To move the LK To move the MAMA Yeah. To LK Oh, move MAMA Uh to huh. do to engine Ran off. MAMA So table line so the Oh, I that lie to stand was I so tracks on up little that and was I So so he out go sleepy that give foreman so of the the embarrassed I don't mad then. know what So it Lucy, say, I lie would okay because not was asleep but he the right. and corne doing? I'm not and away in was there for so and up up well, then, too. then, table. that the To The side tracks? okay but it's right. I don't sign that not right. tracks. well and I the hell say no happened. didn't remember they doing but they put the engine up in that tracks. not these it. it's what so ... move LK these I night one right up lay them Oh, in, out. they so And ones. corne And know you table that move ... LK Where to got have But to that move the that first table. 51 time but after that LK After that you MAMA Yeah, uh LK How MAMA Well, LK Uh MAMA I LK About MAMA I LK Then how that happen? MAMA it. to huh. did years many don't I got used know. there work you war? roundhouse? the In the during huh. two don't And don't What MAMA Well, we you new same one back to don't is over Well, me. know did know, with I drink who there. lot of water and the and other give and when they put the old right us I so I fifty new a got the to go the, back corne they cars. still ones doing time one pullman I one and get mine. got my and the boss, the lady So she say, I don't know, somebody got it and they going And I about girls, they still work some too. roundhouse, Mexicans the And roundhouse. smart was the brushes our the me. washed we in traveled they give you? A know. ones. because said, I there over did How restaurant? have We you. bother to You find my, So begin the you you sometime windows brush, But don't know. I restaurant? your working all in was - my years. more. telling trouble of altogether. take did girls them something, The I'm mean. kind start How other like maybe Or you know They're LK did the with two was years? know. you it if don't remember away I say, 52 because to I'm boss Lucy. give it going to to get mad. that Is they started and say who got Lucy's brush? So LK Yeah. MAMA So know them of one there right? told I so tried I every time Mexicans and rest So working two other they're Ana and every time in over go will see there and yeah, a boss the bed in nice. busy You over there embarrassed, in five minutes here. five So we said, too. So come because well, we we think I okay, no somebody get sick get in and getting come there where's her, I say, know. you don't know. say They would work tell I in the over go over go they all in the floor laying down. that we so I and come I she And lady down in the bed because they had case that way They and you restroom. know. restroom. she's us with me, know, So them friend said she get mad. if and the in you there over there And And the a , you just over know. they don't tell You two. workers again. rights, my restroom, there, always got I woman the to go girls? let's boss fight for that do twenty minutes and together don't the here, say, them, over for don't. the to they the and come dressed you know. ago. and She already go, 53 one Lucy. that's my friend, lady boss got oh, said, hour laying well, Victoria, said, I ago. It's them, the Oh, working. minutes told I she so that We Lucy, don't we tell you already just me already go. I said, yeah, and Victoria but go you for rest stay too long, Lucy. see, but I the want to LK Uh MA And you day again hot the there say give do? And I and and I think then. But I I I engine. who what and think I then I use where around I that go going the You hose now? ... to to do. I it do window put I get it. I by the know, lot of back to a I said, by engine and all they the 54 you in over going there and use you my me. in hot water then They don't told to so go are going glad I is suspect smoke. mind, the I as said, on and He she see hose water and I and they she mind, put the hot was there know, you said, don't I was, And hear I what the put gloves, the me there in jump. She water water never even had We over look, never hot from bench brother-in-law of the oh, the smoke friend oh, just give and don't It's hose. the me friend, a her, said, I they didn't get the tell I say, it the know. you that work with them. with house. laughing, those engine laughing friend don't got the water and hose the hear and there sitting I know. you the with water I laughing. over So­ so working cleaning we because know, to. understand. I one that, us and me don't Well, try not treat they way do them let huh. with see I Well, her, say hour. half a to want we my LK Mfu'1A the ... ladder. They jump. get it. told But want I they because take it, know. Why did MAMA I don't that's to Maybe one. One shade of and I say, the shade. do that, So the the I you I We don't like don't We what know, to tell her, by the time, restroom, from Mexico. what did what want we them. she see say, 55 a ... it's us, here think mad? so us. in job, Let's go to for you I to our for the do, get resting time what I get revenge of half do That's rest I they do to was they do. get coming remember what supposed well, she prompted you? stay there we okay. burn I they don't Because finished cars. see we I know, you And that. because then day, said, think What say, And why. she I over is come I me time I remember I maybe that's we did. I the because when us what Because we him hot. mad? so when me got but you know when they too when get like they do not yeah, you he's And don't know. you for don't I But for I one said, I go, wait to them. to wet. what maybe So LK all was them talk to to last wait to forget others the tell them, there. The one. already time be to going you don't and again get just get it from here and I Oh, that do don't I a to boss are. the work our and hour. but we what Well, do we that do few minutes go, let's lady I in rest so go. come looking from for a you We're long time allover. Yeah. resting in the shade for I yeah, Oh, other the said, what he and her told going to do that do it so we don't do that ones Lucy, tell to Lucy, don't said, it's my talk against and you don't say so? You? And I said, okay, corne ANd I don't know. She oh, say, to make See? I English, But MAMA Yeah, huh job but to to, I and her. And other ones them too. scared don't they too. But of me office had I I don't my sister office. office. She that say nothing. talk to who say do. to say fight the the just I said, use the to to they put do it and good rights. my better you do it, The you but you there over put somebody know, but I other mexicans. know they .•• 56 I to another go they don't put nobody sister worked My say, it. she She why? said, go And she they don't know how but And can't she She and you chances? your help her. inside is have huh. her don't know what don't believe know, And Spanish. let's and the took you that Lucy. don't know I Now, office? but you tell I rules. mad you and I again, it. do to Spanish. talk to the Or Lucy, So LK have that because again going Spanish. the do again in friend resting. little while a don't oh, said, We're don't scared say of to the I go help fight I me and for fight boss because the for lady I LK You MAMA Yeah. LK You didn't MAMA And one didn't office wheel accept it. and I too day to want I They had that I to the go give to me the to go doctor to sign. a prescription? LK A MAMA No, to the The doctor Oh, I MAMA And they was busy and they see. there and I They don't to to go was busy, more and there over think I cause just leave over the come with LK The MAMA Yeah. the, I busy. Okay. then and told take remember, they they do it when with go of one I too long and and they say, we stay a so on I the, I one was I we little So be­ I crossing the of have mad was purpose. home. know you a, that get mad. I and them me hurry up say, office tracks ... I it Oh, I that the what about we're Lucy, says busy with other people in was doctor. standing back thinking that they don't mind. was care a it carry busy the office. so was doctor know. you company, the So prescription. LK I sick so was said I out. me it. take - ... doctor? day, Here, I Lucy, here's don't want in, you know, mad and was so I'm it. sorry sick. note a You to 57 tell say Sorry, for them that Lucy, the doctor. to but here. I put it was No. so I don't he it. take house. But get mad. Because that do they LK So MAMA Yeah. LK You MAMA Yeah, weren't tell because stroke my father Your MAMA Uh LK What MAMA Well, do to things said. I I that. take have we that's lot a what of Uh huh. Then killed? was they kill him because husband first pay company. then and Who somebody when my my much too funeral pay of don't know I don't remember. of insurance, sister die of insurance, if the it So, she her father-in-law to kill my die enough to is of pay the sister not stay with his parents because his father is mean Uh so he told my sister to go to your the or for I the one. 'cause my father brother-in-Iaw/he told by that time hundred ten was have and know. you my MAMA I got that I maybe through life. go sometimes - happened? they don't Own I huh. The LK the to killed. was father LK But children, my want they note don't know but I before, me to going huh. uh to the after enough? had you it said I hour one me sometimes know you So go. bring to messenger a come, don't I sister to too ... parents. huh. And then the insurance you 58 know is not too much but funeral about maybe he so that for fight she that $500 get after the The money. father- in-law. LK To get that. MA Uh huh. give or give him more, So with $300 know. my cause the check from LK The check MAAA No. That that man LK Money. MA So, he and Why pick he was kill that's He and your you come daddy and told I LK It him so sister's My him so tell and go he sign it. the up mad doesn't make Yeah. LK When was MA That 1927. LK So, be- get me that to father-in-law told get that money. don't know. MAMA kill to know, my brother when So/he kill to my that then He's any come a give you father he check. he wanted to kill mean man. Uh huh. Why? 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