Manuel Garcia, Hispanic Oral Histories, Accn 1369

Garcia (b. 1909) talks about his birth in Mexico and recalls stories of family life there. The family came to the United States when Manuel was about five years old because his father got work on the railroad. Other topics include bandits, medical problems, divorce and custody, discrimination, being a musician, working for the railroad, the Depression, neighborhood disturbances, becoming an American citizen, troubles with women, and descriptions of various people in his life. Interviewed by Leslie Kelen, 108 pages.

Uni versity of Utah Marriott Manuscripts Library Division Accn 1369 Hispanic Oral Histories Manuel Garcia r Oral History Institute 1-9-85 Manuel Garcia Interviewed LK OK. MG My Your name in a by Leslie name. is Manuel Mexico, ranch. was a first Garcia, which you know. Old Mexico, Theycalled reanch. 1909. In Kelen Butit Is when first. got So in church where since 1909. First I here really first. t l;e December had I - born. Andthey The tell an An American I went So I I and I to That's illegal. not it. I was So Decemner keep the dealings, always a just would be want First. to it kind January 8,1910. All my to born. 1910. birthday. Becuase -- born December December the January the 8th. He says, were a papers - my little kid, schooling. anything first. straighten you out I For my says the But Mexico, Mexican was December was of I on I've already contacted the jobs. All All my it. says since you ever me born was January 8, They said, Keep evenli your birth certificate the First. I Told Because toldthem about I It present my sent born was birthday school here. to be to town. a Now, Dec the me occasion town where me. was of state didn't have it. I was You're legal because But born. But birthdays. two authorities. was the used It . It wasn't . I've been going by December the First all my life. ever 1, was And birth certificate. I CANTUNA Iwas birth certificate. a the state of Te it orginated by myparents. My mother told was December the to My place cr birth on kept December 1. - my it was Dec. The information in my life's regular birthday OHI Manuel 1-9-85 What Garcia sl:2 else •• LK What MG I a did your parents do in Catuna. the guess foreman of pulled by eight cars ore. It Now, this he muletrain used a And pulled by 21 storyI tell the crew. And my mother was just Brothers MG Yes. and and And, one I as leg his ... toe mine one the fer foot off. Gangrene? little and smelter. tell to tell And me. was 8 wagons. was 11 and sisters. Ah, he was also the D&RG. on, he lost Then one he a railroad Cut it amputated the other leg. Right call sickness an When they infection. they On eramined his toe. They him, they had is of 65. and amputated he's now, that were to -- He worked the age off what that man. at To - the My oldest brother retired, leg. in don't remember I then he had off. the wife, that's all. brothers Garcia. time went and time were to to which crew that there used they used was loaded with probably is what this of them died when ones worked wheelchair. bones of some named Rarnon. where understand, A wagon, car. what my DAd except The boss I train at a sisters? the older only from you because ahouse have to couldn'ttell you all of them ebcuae there I family ore Dad people. Farmers. My fromwhat Each mules. about- nothing They were- transporting was one . they 6f was LK LK othr Mexican mules. know I me. the as same gets on going have cut on the to his cut OHI Manual 1-9-85 MG Garcia sl:3 Yes. Finally, they got through knee. Then Through it. had They MG Ramon. the Yeah, same every, three and put new LK Dialysis? MG Yea, bad times blood a His and week his out he's Jim. retired. In worked He Joe, in How be Of course, diedin 1920. 1930. didhe he - lost to both legs through tothe go whateveryou call is hospital on it. he had good. Now, no kidney a Jesus Till for many years That's three. Jesus. I'm the he another brother him and he's chair. an getting He legs. no about on Jim. Garcia. 2 that or call him We 3 months custodi an He ago. - schools. Ah. and -- He's Garcia. inthe wheel custodian. school to died. LK a which used me still Ihave leg. _________ Salt Lake. Ramon, he's But I've got another broher, the And Be's still alive. theyhad or kidney operation. They just transplated along fine. the other get his blood circulated and cleaned to it blood, whatever he lost brohters, Joe name kidneys wash or Becuase Dialysis. others the after. two or year Anyway, other borther Jo He had -- The also. twolegs Thefirst brother? old. a him below cut had bad - amputate for the other leg. LK the had He toes. later. 79 years lost that him,they bad, about went They to 79. about leg scratchon his a call you the other with [30 die? Garcia, I other ihave Rose Rose boy, Manuel. don't know if you Ah, his or 20?] name Hermanez, Ah, want Candido 1930. sisters. to we Maria In between had a Ramon brother that know that CANDIDO. Lopes, or not. He'sbeen dead But OHI Manuel Garcia 1-9-85 sl:4 MG He's got Ah, he got pneumonia. he's also named Candido but Can for He's short. in Salt Lake.He's HE--Candido's my nephew. LK Do MG NO. I've and Mexico except fo visit here. He worked retired get To whereever to free. take a to Togive wasjust -- women every you. Let's - This BOYffind girls. - she around oh fit -- And here. A you. he used that every year. for the por and I She pair to to work where help he used year, to. go trunks in put she'd donate Grande to Mexioo. to And hck. of clothing. friends were. sure, becuase the eo trunk, She we for men, everybody up there. crowd of people. And the big dress and says, that oh, ;et's see, that fits empty again. They used to She used to a pants, comemme every the Rio From Denver to their to grabs of for My mother and Dad used year. don't know what used to Denver. themiddle. sitsin Mexico to go they used for her United gone back to to a ·1 know for is has going. Eery to the To DR&G. Trunk after town, §Iigclothes town fit bad go that Goddess. story a might do to the on think I in poor and ads. The whole alis_o, used on From her the a family used Dad my kept clothing. like said She still bundle of remember I Becuase free. pas, -- Sothey old. years All my 40-some rod years then he railroad a All friends. and 5 or My father andmother used me. year, 4 Iwas been back. never got kids that I don't know. Mexico. here when Iwasborhgt callhim We now. callhim Can we Candido Jr. you Ememebr Cantuna, States He right son a I would the poor. say. And my Dad was only feel a ORI Manuel Garcia 1-9-85 sl:5 laborer here overalls a plus someof to in Salt Lake. his Andcommack with parents sound like generous people. MG They were. LK Good harted people. hearted people. the Yeah, Although He was They were- have much was like she 0 And was amonkey, what I side of That was going see. was it like know, down my like a father's mother. likethat And my Dad her to mother. his room to the other. But he was Now, angel. little cats, She a He I'll serious on used you know. And from behind come never man. my mother's to She love was us one me was in forget Like kids a as and teasing changa, changa, - listening the that ass to from -- My grandmother ... she'd pat soul one kick. said, he I side. really When she walked I day, tonue my and kicked wrink;ed All my brothers sticking - me. monkey. a likethat. down kids. us Excuse like was And once. ass. look she say. he meant. Only me. to kid. a stooped - hate to to it. an used just mother would in the mother iwas used whipped Dad, he didn't my he'd say, what never justcked doing the course, me His time. she too justlike he funny. was Dad My me, that oragatan. an I at of humped was sistes. her. kind To me, Now. amd was old man, serious man. only whipped Of he'd go for whatever my But a a t You on. good. very My Mother especially. say1 to he were _________ Thta there out suit. Your MG twopairso[ pair of pants the LK Big take to pair of pants. Andleave his overalls the en. regular used He us was - from heaven. pat My us OBI Manuel Garcia 1-9-85 s1:6 mother's mother. LK They MG We came came - withyou? here We met was Like I I said, remember fuose then he traveled El to ue Like this a think I place they while And we with for car car. And AndI tought we went it to them, men Thetrain would go another railroad. or three had Part of remeber Kansas to that. town better. in my we It was life too. -camhIgffih - And then he And the at to at they I got thikn the worked from town time. and then we I was kept on To one town. little £epair borken or something. moving. We'd Ah, and the time, a in they traveled. town. that to was had They families two another Chicao. But -- Like Cattle. Ah, railroad Pennsylvania. more man. can't Pennsylvania. Traveling. car. week here a I Paso. Maybe days. Thenfromthenon, from New York EI to a know, from that old. dihat I in bht work. a 4 years around New York. They My Dad worked maybe kid. across. that's where then went You came railroad a railroad a we Gang, railroad. And Iremember fun. was as the country don't knoe exaclty wherehe got I was - as gang. havetn be And traveled. extra When about job a the Extra on the got Now, he;d in New York. were fmily Two anything. EI Paso. to Paso. traveling job first a But pb. he an _____ his or ean. Mexico, got hired When he little ki. a things. but rail. traveling But wasjust From Staes. man. Idon' &now thi,appened man, a railroad a United - Salt Lake.We've been allover herem Not - My Dad here. from allseparetly we to Kasnsas. hit Kansas, go I OHI Manuel 1-9-85 Garcia s1:7 I about was wuld I - on, even better. LK You were on MG Oh yea. worked the the road Dad See,my in the has been trains, also train regular - as s Andhis job box, keep the steamer going, see. much know Of us. robbed I bandits - them. - They didn't government of times you see Ah, on in on fallcame. travel had steal gold, the And all was time. they stopped and the I out there. during the ight. silver. guarding And was dark when theywondered therewas abunch And this train to men too tell to they they go. it had Becuase gold. Like old train. there was [in] is be to lot a times, like what there. S on serap es, you awful lot of othenext men that had been to and go the grass, know. night on then the They sleep smell, bad smell. The next morning, smelled.Andthey investigated dead that -- train didn't certain hours laid down an Mexico this Now, rest. they had Sothey all they got of Ah, guess carry Well,he covered his face with the -blanket. It fire thatre used the I see. the inthe Everything they let to the don't know I on feed to time. one He he worked train, part a would for working guess rest. weeds in Mexico. put the wood train train, occasion, my Dad said the then, •. They opped all the they the - soldiers stories to That's up train he they the mule was they held at since - little story here and there rotten. wouldn't killthem a a From afireman.TheYused - locomotive with wood. about. remember. railroad a besides - Igues - I time. long a old. 9 years say morning. the got up. around. And robbing, from what I OH! Manuel 1-9-85 Garcia s1:8 understand, they had been robbing killed they the Revoultion of during You know, that at them leave them allan dleft next morning and beat it. all seen that the.That held up probably ready were was whole a pole, as was to the of nadits. crew they For go. for that each one of that Thebodies was after body cooked they dug laid LK a hole right railroad. Mexican So And and - certaintime The each to - there And Central. and the boss dig a grease it was at one ever a the they cut telephone to the base of them there. was That that time, were That was deterioating just dripping the of just dripping they just was guys. train them orders gave hole at becuase the law. the whathappens the regular tellyou why sun, for down their down. ropes of my Dad's traveling, working That your Dad--did your Dad see of 21 on then my Dad, them.That's was one Fromthe heat you know. go-- when he to Mexico? the train and bandits. Theykilled they just buried And them down and buried did it. them, youknow. That used Why do 21 officials the know peoplto railroad. a And they hung falling apart. were like lard, - woke up - the on men. They'd •. day one they got so anyone. them ropes telephone poles. after- shoot to working cut nothing was Theycaught train. a Sothey wouldn't bandits. - bunch of a You know. Here's another li-ttle story. caught Theygot And train. couldhave been it Or laying. Villa. Pancho other An that's where my Dad And - them killingpeople time, laying. train. a So and stories that name. he wanted to leave OHI Manuel 1-9-85 MG Garcia s1:9 Dad Yea. LK I know about MG People that that at to They didn't get away. and , so into a take them out them, the at our age, you know. And we We right we us - 5 get killed. to there. United exactly why he here, we came we And ask him I But -- why just got used to I scared. wa ah - , States. left. to he guess from J And hen the I with figfuting from Sakata Chihuahua came Into corne And Dad go their They raped starts man another, wasn't interested just if Theywould they wuld just Ah. nothing. And --or here. And peons. For Juaras t told want stories in or that. Andsomehow bridge never all him them, stoppeda across -Dad shooot to read there's 4 and family. according I and kill them. daughters With his Andwe just what ranch where they get the-- don'tknow toomuch about I Now, on-- _________ But to time, Pancho Villa gang and maybe another gang, C them guys. heard about or - trying was •.. trying were Becuase momen, Eerybody - don't know if you understand I awya. was - through cas we went at that time, guess, did you being leave, here. that's the story. left off Well, we LK Yeah, 9 years old. MG About 9 years old. FRONTENAC Kansas. Jim. but he You in Kansas. we lived in That's where my broter got Jim Garcia there. always goes by And Frontenac was Jesus. His And then Jim Garcia. born. name is in F Ah, Jesus. Jesus fromthere, oh, Garcia we went OHI Manuel 1-9-95 Garcia sl:10 Colorado. to the railroad. Ah. train. came right Why dikdn't MG Kids LK Not MG Kids toomuch of didn't I to go their Salt Lake. school have b they Salt Lake. There's School. First the I was you? were Becuase Youcan they pushed don't you I went me. •. When I went Sisters, MG Then I wentto I went to 00 - School, the last oh, I went Ctholic to. the 3 schools to I went Cathedral A catholic OK. see or went Cathedral before school At Cathedral 2 Catholic SChool -p Cathedral Judge Memorial Catholic School. you've the I them to there's Salt of of some - I went it's Cathlic. - it church school. Lake. it/ Temple? South TEmple. On after herein don't know if LK then Ah, Riverside School. in be basement North I then home here. our interested when Fremont Riverside.- Riverside wasmy teacher And schooling. Igot to It but to, did -- go. the Madelainee. the want And incidents are We made working go. to of - there course, - stayed.there. we 9 years old. you're when A remember well. I did know about. awya. to That call it. Colorado. In long. Means, ah, - on •. go becuase Lincoln 1919. in youknow, - you want don't like School herein in Iwas Younever LK get into there very Utah, would they don'tknow how long I again. He's still A Mulante Tren is what guess - Dad worked my them little better. a school to I stayed to byahtt time, remember. call They we here remember Colorado, Thenfrom don't thikn we in train traveling a And e Then - from there ORI Manuel Garcia 1-9-85 sl:11 Iwent on, last school. was my The reason the railroad, was working Victorio LK VITTERIO? MG VICTORIa. other. the Riverside. to I - Tht was didn't graduate. I quit that school. My Dad the D&RG. at here before we He Tht was Somehow quit another, tenth at said I grade. here already working was Andhe at My Uncle away. got him the jib. Victorio Dad's only brother. my or I job right a arrived. Dad's brother. my got like Riverside, - he go thim he didn'thave no And he got here. job a sitauted here. LK Where MG Well, when 6th And - dicyou live all 7th West lived house. had to a : When railroad reason the. I we then. I Iused Salt Lake,we over Well, her I quit had already sold came been mechanic of had then Already. I - - was lunch to railroad. him at to I I - it.So to was school here. room and we working was I now. married was going Salt Lake. are three a noon. Big shot, we livedin we was I to on long. too oer because when my Dad grwoing, going the all family. a Youknow there We had town. house a house, where the house when here, schoolwas take his to in in live moved we this to lived didn't We South, house. a family. Andthey the master to when was getout. here, 5th time. Shoreline Avenue La t This to got moved we the by and thenwe moved But before We first we this hs.d for tell you, working was And you know. about Imet Who 16 the was a OHI Manuel Garcia 1-9-85 s1:12 hlI of a Ah. He says, good And althat. to He "Hey, says, thoughthe you for said, out "Yeah " there to Come hired see IE walks justlooks around, hec soon and <lIt omes S e hired says, if me right-there. working for to school didn't want go to them whether working, And she so had been I S used to forgot us to I treat my boys now. KDid you now, out go Mom and school. to ftmy me kids He walks , my of your house in-- all boys!" 1937. In they Dad Its theydidn't - ok with working my Ma toschool. school whether Married and have got move more.My give to I Grande. to pushing oung. That's in. come get alittle money don'tmcarehow much money not. Garcia started about too job. a we not. wrok cMonday morning, And then wentor send my kids careGI a-lmen I we ce to office, closes the door. Pretty the Rio no "I'm going work for to That'show I got started. When Istarted -mthey didn't quite for L "Hey, down. I'm standingout in the hallway, And in his me I said, and man. 15-16-17 yers old. there's about 20-30 peoplethere waiting for He I big a up "Yeah, I'd like Monday morning. office. the before, me seen said, I about have beeen must He's @. "How would you like said, He they would-'thave Becuase went I him Whereyougoing?" son. kidding. was c e.Ll. to because he'd me take my Dadlunch.: me."I He knew He used They man. a it we little Like now, like - started oney. Iwould or they're making. That'show family. kids. or But Ahhhh -- I did . They're •.• did you live with your parents. OHI Manuel 1-9-85 MG Garcia sl:13 I NO, with Dad living was til got married with my first wife. I I'd been married before. My first wife is oldest of He's My oldest boy's 50. He's cripppled. children. three -a not remaining crippled, ago And he -- Ah, They now and legs broke was let you go He Sixty feet. Andhe he Was MG Yes, life So a He known Real .. Iwas my Well, about x-ray a again. the operatingroom'they right. the that cement is long a Not pieces. -- they could at way. on a tearing and were there. m the roof. on be to one of myoldest son-- But he about an or He Somehow. down. two thaall He's been his fell down. somehow and operation. Whenthey opeate--that later, he's got findrut that this in and wires. were legs don't I people I've the mostcareful son. They fixed it the best They get his slid slipped they operate again. Theycut To cement don't fix you they stories Three pelvis. your his vcrterbrae. on whatever They done right Almost. week arms, - year time. Careful. now. of legs, your back here his righton fell the tellingyou year ago And He happens is all piles woring was know how. fell was workingat he evern survived them up. piling LK It spot. in a when you See, -- on that. at Both parts. you bout -a _____ doctors, hospitals, partly -wgEytake the moment. flat going to in many he's but - fell off He He's doing well. story building and broke his legs. and he's been break your of my two the mother to way go back they again. They try - they're :supposed hospital. right. theynput tobe. about can. tothe bone wasn't was So screws It's not OHI Manuel Garcia 1-9-85 sl:14 like ok. But oge55ng: leg, one when you'rebreken can't fix it all fact,he wife to -- they're going another bone fell, he fell if he oneofhis - you the heel egg and an That's justlike out of it. and Andthen later, fix it OFcourse, so - they He'd give him That's to - - had insurance an allotment But insurance when you on Sothey But say, youcan't here's their a see left - they do that good that him. Youknow an don't know what is when he did. if det it to a heel like cut they into payroll theystop that insurance, too Hejs Andthey got can a sue it - there. weeks. two disturbed long, they try - the do. every somewhat to like $500 are feet, fuat,they - to companies Becuase hand. through thecompany working close his on according was still got to His crashed - caselike a meat. In know what it it with your in they again. Reinforce heel - pieceof - - coffee. he don't right or thousand dollars stop there. whenfuey stop, of part about was youcrush they've got becuseyou know be a somewhere--I insurance. - leg your cup says worse Somethinglike ___________ that. the the way his Andwhat took. picutres they -mold get That's that. head, he'd be killed. When he fell shells. get Andhe a cuthim open heels--I don't remember just like You his And places of after here doctor. Maybe fix can He's still going rightnow. feet1NOw that his on They different came whatever. or on the see here. time. He do yet. to he fell in inme yesterday. went drives broken to stop you. quit coming. lawyer for that told him, maybe $100,000. OHI Manuel 1-9-85 Garcia sl:15 he Becuase Nowhe's had name her themby ah - last of mine, two shot him who had a used not second dead. Salt wifE -- bunch of in weeks he 2 at was missing. or 3 weeks work How or they at where a slow. Being a Tht was And was him about his. 6th South and about South and about yard, there's mi-dle there a black - 35--36 ditch summer--July - 30 West - for or at two The married. he had a Sohe wasn't out there When irrigation. August .. He It .•• Naturally he'd I never reported even South was man on 6. Yeah, his cleaning the rightin this his here out ... guy was seen he jobs for on cleaning --34th --36th West this woma Beucase di-dn't know whether So his wife guy a was time. a They in He missed him. or the brothers week after a goout from his house west. real black. But Her This got shot. He ditch,the irrigation ditch in his property, 6th now missed him. never nothing. foundhim. right - threw him out and never time. or first wife. my 47-48. every month a Her theywere from Switzerland. car, to Ihad And DESSIE. D. That we year. name? Her don't we his brother. German. They found we Andhe used - too kids weren't and kids. Now, he would be Lake. in here come Yeah, Now, why life. minute. a boy. theheart his was He'd be 48. apart. of She born here. was this Hada bunch of wait Kaufman. was West got killed. first wife. through been to He my yers ditch ere. he had son. she But were first wife. of est it's But of my LaRue No, - name parents. boy son a another of two crippled ther He's tting better. know. I be might laying be black. on A week OHI Manuel 1-9-85 Garcia sl:16 down there, under the the Sothey that. it out in and Manuel his wife. Where boss out she - told her boss "Hey Bishop, Babe " We .. have I He wasn't some the also. "Hey, She to call to bad your She -- callme news Third. He was He senior. the husband, Has they my Manuel law called the So son. found we couldn't call me called me Herboss me. - but her and said, Bishop. This boss of her. you." for He so was serious about what's the bad news." "Your Son, cal Thim babe. "Is to to ditch. the from there and the was Third, my joking. "Yeah, even used used He - He Garcia Garcia So in You know cushions. fingerprints -- Garcia. - there out reported it. she worked. here." "Hey, Bishop" it. they Manuel was dead man So he August. or she makes - Manuel Garcia Jr. him dead black or And was Dad See my son. July investigated working was and sheets found and went His wife nigger a , in sun dead." "What?" "Yeahl they found him shot up. Then, could't believe it. I me LK What did MG HOw it LK When MG 1980. I on was was think they happened, was-- my that Well, yes. SoIcalled we a the Shot trhough theheart." law here. And they told shock, you know. happened. don't know yet. They're&ill investigating. this. Ihad just leg1Ihad a comeout vein goesto your heart. -- of the hopsital myself. the min vein Artery. Main artery - what was I do you bad on my had an operation call it leg and that - I OHI Manuel Garcia 1-9-85 s1:17 got so They I cut couldn't hardly walk. me and t open in SoIhad the to go From here vein. new a to hospital then. here. to [shows him] Down. Down. I just was And. in my Ah. for Onthe inside part And in And scar fromhere they bypassed here. MG That's where theystarted. walk wait a the to while. liock.YOu know, LK A MG Barely. righ A it and It the pain I'm ok went Inside. on me side is good. right here, down. here to knee. here-- Youcansee the they- don;t bother it corner, minute - except now Youknow This side. cut right is where It a one they scar storein the Maybe half numb. only they This That's where they I But and LK If son got operatedon. is down, this to I that's where fact, See. that tosleep. - my much too move that. uncofortable. from my knee gees pain of The me. like got killed, couldn't I hospital. 1980-too- likeyour leg he rightafter - really in was that my knee- - the miserable iwas leg. That of out kind of was When and me unless hurts. then I I walk I've got can lot. a to walk another don't stay hurt. sharp pain? bn sharp pain. the kneelLike That was thetwo it's going sons that cross Ihad like from my that first wife. LK How MG How? didyou Well. meet I Providence is your met a her town first wife? in Salt next to Lake. but hse's from Logan. Logan, Utah. Her father was Or up there. OHI Manuel Garcia 1-9-85 sl:18 They divorced. were themother- she used Depot. And I we- From hemother. visit come the older ihad So timeyou her. tobe used daughters -well, two dayI who know. When I to I Caldaron "Where?" To the dance. Oh, she girls but are, 14. She time, I "Well, looking took her guitar. a head I Then she ied just- all that. And When I I'll fix her up you I know used son tomake -- room. she thedance.When to of - to a you took bitch I -- that went says, Why don't giro She I [laugsh] Made about a got god, I beautiful ha-ha was girl, it you was and back, 0 broke Ralp? abig lady." there- and little that with go with me." Yeah, shewas came the dance. to "I don't know how look like out come she to wentafter you know!! fixedher hair She we She to play guitar. excuses Sincethe, of mine said, she little a She's beautiful girl. it. me.You had that. friend that.idea. dresss1And I is-I'm jumping said,"she's supposed she's just to this good firndds, don't like I used Now, dance. She she had - good looking girl. were nice I a a We her girl. to she's - a the other liked 17 Grande there and over with took her nto kindof her visiting she daughters two And the Rio fromher. went S he a But about name. withyou. Well, says, One "Youknow how girls are." I said, says, take Dessie friends. Where's 0 asked herrnother. by street tofue dance and go his was South the go her, she wasn't there1 She Ralph 3rd from be mother. across was was date with her a on Three. more. Andone daughter, live to divorced was live her to used We father Her and all that. righton me mad, her see. didn't think Iwas going and Started going with Dessie. She -- -ha OHI Manuel 1-9-85 Garcia sl:19 and then. now to She used Logan dI met her an in So know how know it or but not, Theywould-'t give MG No LK Because of MG Becuase her then. not?" II consent. his car. that And father! She was that tobe went we his was let's go. a real good and to get white a a get married. license, girl and I don't know I time. fell finally to you was a Mexican. whetheryu now. license a you had So No windows. man license, a have to Sawe OK. to got I old beat an said, us cuss and I. He One said, of we car Told her Dad was a somebodyto this is marry us." Without your license. the used I "No, they wouldn't he come "Come said, again. them old Zero times. that german, 0 was n." He got dressed weather in The very next an day, open we went "I understand you don't give my daughcer and license to get married." He said, her to getllE.rried!" I want up or word. So Here from her Dad permission Her Logan. "They wouldn't give the court. this Ed that. that -- me drive to was Salt Lake to ain't like it is it you got dirty pot-lickers and aroend "Those dirty pot- licker" WHe word, Them to used her brought "Well, didyouget married." "Why up I license. a mother, you know. have - me things LK of Andhe welcomed . the courthouse, Theywouldn't give you father Her chasingound,chasing start we to up used I so __________ love with each other Went father. Edward man. __________ know. live in Logan, to He was a "Who are you." strict man, "I'm her you know. OHI Manuel 1-9-85 Garcia sl:20 they took So him. Toanother know, he toldme later, Mexican marry your don't youget Told them."Marry LK They tried MG Yeah, to He said,"I my daughter her marry the the guitar, two trouble betwen to get a But divorce. WE were We love with get me. But That wasin my belief. gatheru know. were sepenred She divorced the on finally or to have!" for was than too. to see I'd rather another me- the one I up. I And our this never succeeded Or 5th year for about - think that's what make all is told private to get getting just before 4 months. break, to S a the divorce. owe got togehter a;gain. LK You MG Me andDessie. and Dessie. divorced for them bad.I Yeah. good. fought I for we lived kept 6-7 years the kids. them kids. We The went altogether. me that. me was Cause us she wanted I see hit with business. to Try any way, separated. it had us She The mother we And son. a We'd fight. could she so he Rather interfere with and Dessie. divorce, marry her. I in was to going don't know, I older, she broke used she girl. Why Givehim consent. it. had Ishouldn't be tellingyou. stuff. to years me of anybody married. we shes there. you'renice boys. with sister who Becuse happened. - haywire go you." Ok, Then son. boys she wants The old man, Shelikedne alot. know you beautiful it. talk him out to a I that letting areyou gotlTErried right of From what privately. She's such your own." "What talk him out all fur it. was talked "Hay! Why they said, them." We tried they and daughter for. of one room Then we two kids. She wanted to court for got them kids. ORI Manuel Garcia 1-9-85 sl:21 LK That'sunusual that you got them MG No a isn't, it AndIhad man. mine. and She wans't my wife. We were still - money side We went to She put three-- a hotel with a A friend cop. of showed him."That's my wife." and already divorced mykids, she had my kids. didn't have court. was in no and it was 6 months. over AndI wanted My mother put the money. one side .. the mother of ifound her that witness the hotel was made. was to I mykids. begin witness a it •.•. took him up She end the way not - two stories my You long. are themiddle stop in can't of the story .•.•.. [L agrees] So MG Yeah. L K Is Then I she she's in MG Oh LK S eyou didn't MG Oh, no. married the oldest Whathappened I to this wife. the oldest --is that Anyway, south here in town. marry her. She's on Inever with her, 40-- married were sister-- Dessies? hated her afterwards. occasion. We sister? We're friendly again. On huh? yougot your kids from theoourt, LK after - did -- a She comes Mormon. Then care fo mer before we here A very don't I Oh, got hate for her. I once good every year this to say as to marry were - divorced, two years. And I know ... her. she now. Toomch. Mormon. want or Not I was did have fun interfering with OHI Manuel 1-9-85 Garcia s2:22 We us. skipped that part there LK Her MG Ah. LK Did she want you to convert. MG No, she Mormonism bothered She was never aksedrer. so she couldhave her me I _couldn't in a in there. for room And 3 or didn't I feel likeeating. It's a bd long MG Oh, 2-3-4 yers .. advice People can like bad. NOt do, Man, one is to girl go me. gave go who had been do which her at didn't go take me to a happen care for Dessie I'd lock myself Justlock myself Ididn't of bread. piece becuase love my to and me See. break to didn't I used I work. ever did never all. never she wanted. she wanted sometimes don't know if youve But out. told An me that. felt Thelove went did like htat. anything Tried to I kill before have fun, that herself. go chased around I the "The hest thing Said, in friend of room." that the best dancing, get A - forgtThats youself said I'd say away thatmostly older rson. Don't thorugh out, - But what girls after somebody can me, home. was I'd starve. figured pretty bad when me I days. 4 years after that. with different you I 4 I I thatlast. HOw or hurt what her. feelings did LK 3 it was guts. You know, marrying be divorced.I to that on Ihated her think of wife very much. separated. up, claws I would marry that - my mind n was me acting before that. was after she broke her. asked never - you? fanatic. Nothing.It The way she us a •.. thing some you girls. It's ours, a friend OHI Manuel 1-9-85 Garcia s2:23 of and Dessie' me something. I with Fine. you." and night to ShE: to go She went with felt bad again. I work. I'd be you know. story. is, I wouldn't So that Start alot the on ten older. years else and somebody marijuana and too He " AndI a right now. ShE'S been alot. srinks little so old MG She says, you look much better. LK Tht's sad lock than younger Shewent to I the did and am dogs. a myself she she'd been sick and that. old lady here. She looks She married And house care Smoking . Like about up. She's still for her anymore. can't understand you "Well, I - ten stake yeras careof a a I'll punch you in." She 80-90 years old "How in the says, drunk too. She That's what getting her down. That would. That's Used OK. Beucase.I on. good, Manuel?" She's always LK I the that me say, go home." _________________ tiny at boss would for it. carrying years different. "I'll go everything. I'd go home, And care on you I'llpay She's wrinkled. like look don't they got and do morning, there about thinking that "I can't take it." He knows what my day. ten bed with to of dancing out go the next night, "Why don't says, She's looks hell do you md crying spell. My a lose my girl. alive. just getout you girl Start Just, you know, bawling. for t She went me. "LEave your card here, said, a the good during "What's the matter, Manuel. He why abn' says, "I don't know any better." She said, said, feel I again, go , Manuel, and go and get you room, I s thing. That's a tough thing. older than I myself." am and OHI Manuel 1-9-85 Garcia s2:24 Yeah, I don't knowifu've had any problems -like that MG But you that easy forget to We've got 6 kids. Gilbert LK Do MG No. a Garcia. [LK [probably few that's interviewed One E here to Jake Green who mentiond let becuse you Wheniused was beer a once. to work at the Rio And joint. the Rio Grande well, nameof or One night nothing and have sit down and us. Men a a Jim. after about beer. have and wife. it she white. the court When you wouldn't growing were with bat ith haveoblems Hi people. -I payday,we to We I got paid We went up big of across the street used I - Sign to go have no another dancing. couple. there and we sat We know the to check our sat - know, it's was over like we had and over used let's go Just problem. you your said, a for us, don'tremember what day it took my wife and beer with too cash checks Hi, Manuel. Jim. work, wasn't realy there, right on used He They didn't a son] get married, This Grande hour noon checks. - know I I've got parties. knew Manuel's to did u once. - our yours. few] very you. did I there and cash guy had Mexican, are school here, to whiteople botehring life knows he before wehn you went In my highway patrolman. a back here. room here, going He's .• We party. a cop. 47-48 years. now. Sgt. Gil. him; Manuel knows corne you marry a Green-,the policeman son 48 years one aint It for years, Been married youloved. someone call him Gil. We ah, forget it. person, You mentioned up MG a All married. you know Jake recreation LK tell to I've been marriedto this know. ou y know, youtry not- or to tt.ere go friends with and sat. OHI ManuelGarcia 1-9-85 s2:25 These waitres was of moths there. everybody And to I beer. serve over want to tore thinking of a row she but everybody served us. fighting. come girl to and That's have the LK Yeah. MG You had the lower Just on't Empire a guy that was thecnlytime an I The town. Theatre takes your that shit the and Of I course, "Oh, said, serve don't know if I GEM the they everybody no more he wasn't but he You might ain't I anything or Salt Lake. it's sti-l here theatre. Gem Theatre. never •.. no. and me of serve Mexicans "Oh, here, out don't had been refusedin ticket, he says, Ithink- I no here with came I'm your friend that dippe r balcony. Well, had let girl won't tkme I I "Say, Jim, beer, why?" no beat they theatre here, a me night of him that way. that ca l y Ihaven't been in ornot, and to and day pay bunchof Mexicans a time you want." any - was was told my waitress, I noidentification carry used out came personally. me have another _'.' So serve notice not "Hi." I said, last come, didn't place apart think I a Ok, thanks alot."So "Hi." So me gave he. day check. waitress my "Youcan that the next something."How Mexicans."It just goingm So Jim said,"did I Oh, ask you around here, They And around here and go Serve "Well, said, "the night before there and said, " cash my your said, Ike She us. thereto my wife come She room. and went. got up he of booths here. rows She go aroundhere. any Mexicans. serve went This two said, Hey, we've been sitting here along time. Aren't you I going we there's - the Gem Theatre in every tim eyoucome "Upstairs please." questioned it. I here, the And used that to like .OHI Manuel Garcia 1-9-85 s2:26 anyway becuase itupstairs Kiss them andit's themandhug after that, I usedtomake I about thought dark up it. nd love to there. that was all NEgors and the Mexicans and Black people -anything go upstairs. All the white no I went Well, - anusician all It ws a used I in vaudeville We got a LK MG I Oh, when SO asking used we This He used we about dress well. 1 to was of But Lake for with a line. First is I I our sing to gether, the I'd been shows. I've been not. And it. let's - in see on contacted We and we dress well. to show business. was booker he booked I had used Bangerter. Alice Bangerter. we for singer practice 8 He had me to cop. that western. and that. all and play Her call her at shows name girls from Salt go girl. a to Was - a can't think of his I though. agirl. girl. player I'vebeen out. working you have play God, Lake Then he had another beautiful accordian with here- to year used bbe m personally, profession. from Salt Lake.Our manager grabbed me "EArth Bound" Maybe in was to go on or the ••• In murray. he I go But •• a just Salt Not So .Rubin but was it call show business, once. bueiness the chorus partner. to up in town Believe they - discrimination anyway, the ountry. name go I absence to showman. rightnow sheriff here. a LaRue. to leave over a a time when early leave Andbeing specialshow rigr.tnow. Her I'm movie Yee.h , there. that's dark, work and my regular told you about- was .. the take to alot. Rubin ... And - there. dressed neat when always lif besides my my musician. railroad, movies. Iwas down ones up didn't mind. I So, deal the girls my name was "Boots." She time. Well, We sing I was got togehter presented OHI Manuel 1-9-85 Garcia s2:27 to Clara Smith, was LK Clarence. MG Clarence. He well, you make can was a manager's my He liked cop. me record a name. lean send it so I'm booking for. He had to Allover Montana, town to town. he had year, "That's that. contracted to out we come You're MG Yeah. over. with us five weeks. it Good duet. time we the road 5-7 weeks. we We'd for leave was to town Once a they answered, five weeks. Salt Lake the to then So We had time It five weeks. depends played 1-2-3 days start in in what to what We each town. t lr ee played But see. That's where he booked Canadian border. had rodeos Our showw ould had shows you name - it. start most day And I from don't or , Is nights to Chinook Up Chinook is to 8 were oclock on aout the there. town a We traveled Idon't remember the town - in Montana. 3 mies it two is the to way up night For atmght. traveled all every What there. play We only playin. to there. wherever of it. had we most time. about vaudeville And to We used the during we I've been [Candain border] the towns here, by Bear Lake. Idaho me. how many on day, goto Montana, _K_a_l_l_a_s towns Bring See. them with you. Andthe time the money. Montana where And Montana. to says, book from town to Idaho, Wyoming. sent Fromthe Can't think of thena one he had circuit to back. Becuase we good couple." a he LK So a He singing andplaying. our from was - they show. hours. And he Japan, Greece, ah, Cuba, Chinamens, mean two bit shows I mean, prcfessionals OHI Manuel Garcia 1-9-85 s2:28 see you tv on all fue teetertotter--three time. of LK Acrobats MG Yeah, stuff like that. know them I've direct That from wasour a was jump chair. And that part of the on they - MG About August. e 5 endof July. the way August jsut I - they're I leave Ive was make - were to on go so come show. many -weeks days you don't and make your tha times money See. railroad. "Well, Manuel, ahead Go our from guys They the working for says, the kids got n we money." make here. go school kids. Nicely developed, yeah? MG Yeah. Well, he had to pick We August. I Bu July and remember that why garden. They start used to a go. And proper. I in played take I We'd See, remember come the - up about ripening couple Theywere going ohigh 17-18-19 years old. LK a school. to doingthis. in between. to more be about and lunch guess wouldbe before dancers to 2-3-4 7 weeks to because my peppers. the He ordered sisters. absence for often. very wouldyou year We would About September. and Cubans. Four day. a th was boss. make to I Cubans. Then he Salt Lake here leaV eof good a used we We'd make $100 what a them. The brothers thetime during -- to opportunities Andhe knew LK there permissionfor those get on on who from Cuba. come got picutres of over My boss so. They Indonesia. From asked or fourthingsup guys like bat? Greece. I these know, down. sit I You with that. mncers schools. [laughs] them for show business. See. eat About back around allmy to me September - Girls all - our OHI Manuel 1-9-85 Garcia s2:29 LK Didyou MG N01Ihad LK But MG Yeah, LK Wife MG No. go by yourself or did took us on my--they did you go by youself. Iwasmarried. thebus. she the at time. the time. At got permission from my wife. I stayed. alltha. home on or she But to go did to - go meet the What years MG Well, LK S MG Allthe did you oyou did the arne. all it the before time I'd say about in show business to the Me and my since me first or sister night week's show. S owe to knew she to school to come and then go and times She'd go with back come She had they several town. me the bus. on this? and about show business 1973. So time. that. IT of 10 years I was a I would say - show business. But I've been was oh, - kid. Roxy Theatre and goin Am amateur prize. do retired music I and here were she'd drive back from there, LK a you married Were couldn't gobecuse the kids the go with you. go with you. NO and your kids We atuer used to - go night andput here out on all not show. a Mary and my brother. We'd sing and play. That I They can remember, so pay you got about a 3 day one night much money show there. the best first To prize appear with got we We prize. was was got second the mher stuff. LK MG I what see you're saying, ten fifteen dollars were just then young for three days. more they paid you_those days. They paid Yeah. And or Come back and each. foolish. It sn'tbig [laughs] money We've been at on you that maybe time. We television a lot. OHI Manuel 1-9-85 Garcia s2:30 Like I I'vebeen say, opportunities. We've back and we have here in know them. been in go - to You Country clubs, you MG Yeah, country clubs and that. Well,after them shows, we come work mean our Hotel Utah. know it. I in the again.Well, All Big time, clubs thebig in big clubs. - mean. Here, Provo, in We had of it, name life. alot Salt Lake. L K was all musician settle down and jobs I town. a Country clubs. The big Riverside Country , ones in Ogden. Club or whatever it Ogden. LK Ogden Country Club. MG Yeah, Ogden Country Club is LK Fort Douglas? MG Fort Douglas. thre'd be Yeah man a We .• played from Nevada. do you remember Onetime, one Hill. - all Now of this them O.K. is part of my stein? He hit Sh_i in So a those times, living. uranium mine in Moab. LK Oh yes MG He do. I 50 million dollars. - million dollar uranium mine Hotel Utahone which I Hank and - can't remember his Hank play. He'd say, Aloya. becuase He any "Hey boys, was us name. a on - over We • Italian. a found we were the manger Aloya dago. time he had come Later, that he hit. They hired time. OK. party, and, 'p Lay A of out playing he 250 was at the the Hotel Utah lawyer. He it I invited liked for this our think it us to go music. group here." was OHI Manuel 1-9-85 Garcia s2:31 He'd pay And ale me plane guy, you marge pick to up." you Been I've got That's what ''''OK, . you be My pilot will be there We still So here there. He either. said He a it." Then from We would rove LK What LK I going was start we becuase for went his from Noab. us from away was I He know who he us. to used to but for send thinking, to There you were at 9: 00. that he was the whole can't remember his over dressedup "That guy reason we "That's said, He true. $200 wasn't our from scare us. To drunkard. $200 apiece just away. Stein. town guy He toldhim right Charles a The "he's nuts." him. him away OK, Stein. give play for Now, see. keep thought us. said own I Moab and to go we he You you. He wasn't uranium mine." But But them guys, thought,; hey, who's say, hundred. again. name is a we of "Well, we'llcharge kind cf We likethis. pants, to send my thought, One transportation. See. was. manager. us a up." you just told him $200 we party don't you know who he is?" No. "Gee, plane go, said, We "Hey for I'll again. me says, airport Monday morning, 50 million dollar mine, a But him away pick khaki because he wants means gethim - wearing says, he had pice. the guy was He hit is ask the didn't know who he comes you play we ea-ch and at to if Excuse thought. we and plane. Hey I'll hire a $200 transporation. three of us go and he come Moab to "Yeah, . -- He drinking. they've you know in just to me we're pretty expensive. - there. playing was . price. $100 we " smart, a when price. And our i Oh, shit, me knew what would boys, for He us. there name. So - STEIN. once. Yeah. He's to OHI Manuel Garcia 1-9-85 s2:32 MG Well, let there at night tellingus has with al And there our we - We md we - tomeet ane a finish that me him at the for you. anding is. Number Hangar. LK Gay uncheros. MG Gay uncheros that' cub planes inthe plane. tooka and we can to the cardboard screws a. other story. That's .pa r a t e The G_ay __ I off plane. I of Me , andhim was plane little you could't put my bass of So he. raised te r e in there Jim. I've got a together. That's sitting the accordian took car-see. a and went - Andthen my brother were we the see can Jim brcther but a __ hey, - couple the back rest becuase Dick Bar back and Richard a se like I've got also my brother, See. See,you get in there. the on a here. on there over the number. • the back end on Well, -he's my cousin Jim. - then. andso. so us Wherethey put the You car. a it. There's hangar. says, drive to He there, you know. forgot Hangar number close the windows Jim but he's I are." So, we'll get a oupleof c 2. call there. over fiddle out in A guy we Like do you about him, - guys big speakers. our number It's justlike the back off. He over you know. "Yeah, • or wanted We went sus. are are one hallway, With what wives our investigating go you the bass played here. are told inthe out instruments with different airport. Well, Save I started We story. playing were instruments. were our little in the player. He was basquo? LK Basque? MG [Basque] right Him and inbetween the us. pilot And fuere was we in front. go - to Me Moab. and Jim Even and today, the a bass litle 'OHI Manuel 1-9-85 Garcia s2:33 town. I It was bus a got picutrescl time got that man lived party outside. when We he lawn. first hit it. He A He playedin we a side and house This table big A station wagon. it. see three A haven't I house room three kids. Had That's looks beautiful. for build to the yet. the See. And banquet. they danced, Crlowded like. and then Real homey. homey place. Youexpected MG Yeah, well, yes, being the a mansion? a join We told us i've been living with myfamily. Well, we had he it And we're out us. room the for callour wives of LK That was MG Yeah. said. us. on dght. torreet He the Next plays lawn, day, us thre of plays he inthe the And told lis This party outside. hrnm. - pilot andtake is He wanted maracas. see. car a told He - to us Get to bring home. a] us us home. That That thing. it. OK. And talking them kind about my just later. That in betwen. And then he ahouse. sort +'m But me hit st got picutres of him and motel millionare. I'll have I story. where to shack. hadn't had time had LK I old us. you'd in with his wife the atnight, I wish an On playedoutside. for waiting It's show you. to this there thathouse1 But the manager talk to us. - we of He profession that as that wasn'tthe were the says, playing in a we had in musician. beginning of another the Now. Stockman's Hotel in Elko. "Hey boys could you go That was there.That it place, Hotel Utah. I where. forgot listened. out for a was He week come or ORI Manuel Garcia 1-9-85 s2:36 Who the hell:is in "Tht's Bing that I'll be damned-Iknow him in pictures but I Crosby" didn't know him in person. ; can't about. were the at remember you'd - Iwould he testing you? No, he justlikedwr LK Was he testing No, know [L doesn't] 19 yeass old. to We'd go around he wanted music. play off to booths,you that'swhen Blake told us to LK And MG Yeah, Three. there The listen. us to can't ay, to 1 ike to He to go had They withthem there Sitting over. the was was can't be there. go to tothe union. So he Salt Lake and and not Still do. give one we we promise us a • of name Well, play area. table there, And he heard know. us and be the: over. this is Bow a - time to had But goigng Winnamucka to the - clubfu Winnamucka. thereon bsuinss. just • table here Themanager of the Commercial - play. you. Gay Raneheros That Inn. come three of only thingover and to then. go were tobe there at we twins. two We'd been playing around the before. us the cafe here, and Sanoma twins. hear it. to could how well you tosee he heard no, same he had But the boys, two table. Was MG infact, he had his 17 say, MG LK Blake. "Don't you know him?" No. guy with a we job told finish our He wasn't listen. He liked in the Happened us. there and he wanted Salt Lake to do. guy from Winnamuck jobs. Becuase we date. we toldhim And we we went couldbe there 2 to Winnamucka at a that don't be there.A musician cant be there. But We or I belong 3 days the Samona OHI Manuel 1-9-85 Garcia s2:37 and Inn that .tellyoung everything not manager of the Lake Tahoe. C Hotel in it I be S We .•. We - hire come yeah. we a can. lost. know what it uldbe those a tune, like Paloma, to get so - we An a guy we of lake. Lake Powell That's there. He a We go to more. why And keepon romaing. You to to move, SaltLake the railroad you to real see. the mean. played of good. That old at was them all We our • the number. the You go in gambling chips to - tips time. cash it, you play Sowe put don't we the cashier and that there. at , chips up 2 weeks one The go Give placs. tables, couple to you? of name get , thanks. got to likes a we call the get through maybe tried we in those lost us the was in between job Tahoe and gave worth. are that can that's thereon, back Back the in up From Winnamucka traveled between hundred dollars, Playing poker boys, You the time chips know. Here We we Lake to place. passed by. we pcokets. By our We went but another job, date? Well certain a A fabulous there you get tables, - the hotel not, fromthere. us still had We play. you Calneva. in to or didn't know about those dayscan Reno the Calneva. happned there and Not i'm now. Winnamucka, at anyway California and Nevda. don't know if it'sstill there it. But , theycall MG - C Themanagerof It's in the bornder of Oh, iseee. I'm cutting this short goingnby. CALNEVA. LK LK 2 weeks. there played we me a quiet played. can't stop the traffic. orders. grind again. Well, om ORI Manuel Garcia 1-9-85 s2:38 MG Back LK S MG Oh, the railroad. to othis no. during also was during no. But But t-e i had winter months warm time. permissionevery July August. season. permission every time. used We Rere Any time theycalledus. - Andyoucould always get off M Icould I that always get anybody helperin truck. my And Helper. drive the help off. to any iliad a two Thistle. him load for me. me,"Hey and unload Ihad a truck. ton To Provo Iwould time I had where job a go they - And routes. the hell of to I used Ogden they good So to and need my ttrucks. a And gave him was boss.h used make the money while you can." play, me but I'm through withthe profession stop you here for today. see. a He of Out on. helper it had I deliver materials so can't always do it." Andthat's true.I can't do it. end Salt Lake something workrilgaatigRk. truck.he knows my gettingout LEt in go the railroad. had could do my from Salt Lake LK to anytime. LK oto had I town, to a laborer no problem to tell said, now. oh, "You ican Oral Institute Hisotry 1-16-85 Manuel Garcia Interviewed LK •• MG .• by Leslie Kelen 1928. 28 LX Right? MG the first time work for t like you I becuase I used close to and lim looks around Andhe he heyll go the the see only I about tl,ere and in his goes or wanted wenthome and foreman down said, me." He said, "Come says, to Cummingham's ofcie. the last me. Mr. Cummingham office and on hire the road, me. He sorry, "Hey, " one Iwent There walks that to was in. "That's all Andthat man. the Ican't use name gave shop. have a He Pretty me a ting boys." me. slip to Vern, went do back to the boss. to infact, Cunningham.He you."I was was The Dreman, from orderhere His And later, he opens the door. says,"I don't the him close the door. closes there and he at to. the tracks So time. in." He said, that in I went "Well, I've got "WEll, i'm this "Would met South. across go I live Monday." me like reason to got master a sure and 5th Just see three minutes come was used We 4th West working. was the - lunch. Dad foreman didn't want you." Mr. two And On "Hey, Garcia, says, Theyknew S and he oh, maybe - guys I would said, yeah, there. He he - how I dyou son." I said, pretty good. 17 years old. Monday.tI toldyou 20-someodd soon over wheremy about I you Cummingham take my Dad his to there. you'dbe are itol the railroad. m Whn Mr. work for me." railroad the was see to "How me. have been about must to worked ever the railroad. asked mechanic I for hired ORI Manuel Garcia 1-16-85 s1:2 the heck washis What He won't -- he Well, he says, was "Just "Well, Sir I remember get on want stalls here. done, Heput me up on had They this to do around here." the windows that during And and smoke steam had about12x12. with soap never stuff that time. engine the locomotive - Windows. round house grates this was was a get onelittle I had one glass comesoutof Ona window. scrub with One a frame. sort 2 of about they - were "Resaid, "You 20 feet one. By about high. with Thatwas get up thEre. little squares With squares. scraper and had story building. dirty were locomotives. Frame. It the mechanics whatever there or smoke would another locomotives the locomotive here and was take me--there clean and pane finished. the And allthe big and find him You won't the windows. wash me. work." Where it. the been washed shop. there with run They put - on to the "Well, to - stories it would and water and I man something get up there and wash those windows." There And to put they work higher down went to me into me you Then I name. pits. Underneath you know. the took for every underneath and be wasa his was Yeah, he found this, but it to is I Vern. was "Well," do. to me Cununingham Cunningham don't have much "OK" They're and here. for anything Mr. So name "He won't, will he? Why not." '.' So Mr. alabor foreman. something." here a mnu t e Well, his first nam.e work. to said he didn't have "Hey Vern,come in. last on "Oh--" Sperry Vern Sperry Said, He put me no the 12 I where. end of scrubbed Finally, the day, little windows. OHI Manuel Garcia 1-16-85 sl:3 Took all me day said, " pretty dirty. ycudon't way he talked LK You felt MG I felt in it. and in my Oh, just for Or else know. mind,you like to of Becuase the that. time went on - and quit to after quit few a and time wenton. And I worked. That was Idaho, 2 that daughters. Then he But or I quit Youve got a job." Chasinggirls. Ididn't go waited to get rid of job ; 'm quitting and i'm going And to about said, I then - know. I met She Idid Oh, going And he had to two beautiful see.ltold my mother. "Son, you shouldn't until 1937. Yeah, but that LK During MG Well, duringthe dperession, you work a job time ycu Yere at the here and there. workingon time. ERA You the beet on - WPA. or three Again. know, allover. fields. It wasn orrometihing. It ' go. I went." So 8 ars. MG something else He wanted me. was me one. get alittlejob here actually You that said, I every year hard a Tat's ok.I'm tired. IIYeah. the railroad that go with him, go. was andput didn't quit. man a me the beets. on to to I But LK was that he wanted work the of off gave 3 months work. going me he You to got job every guess take off. was s I work, that window stuff. same days. else. hard. or that doing something to Dirty was than that. on't think he used Id - They're 1928. MG But "That's all. do better still think that to So You werestill me "Youcan He down, he Icame it. LK on " But when done." I said, said, me. still I twelve windows. you've He work for Mexicans. do to "Istaht all t WPA. was all It OHI Manuel Garcia 1-16-85 sl:4 government work for those who didn't have LK What kindof work MG Oh, used they outl On Instead of better. And we'd - the lakes. being out too a Ah. We'd make bridges, LK tourists MG Yeah, tourists to cross Camping dirt to make it make cut the curb lon--wider. We'd make trails up the canyons of work. water piece of ffiarp, they'd kinds around, looking. littlecreeks you know. You to Sopeople know, epeople that go walking or-- mayb. Well built. K IS cut All don't get in the L We'd go up in the hills and make road work. curbs,you'd the job. it. was to a who want - Sothey that part I wasn't of the CCC the CC MG No, LK Youw:re MG Yeah. Same kind guys. young kids. We put see. of work. See. little bridges tlere. over across. group. Camps-- No, that the Works partof to could walk was think it WPA I was -- Progress Ad. So Well, CC Camps that's ere more 1937. less or I went for younger back to th e railroad. LK Somebody Eppie told me Gonzales. •.• He [phone] was telling me the aroundhere,That people werelike thie He said, things MG Yeah, it LK How do you MG How do I LK Yes, you. was were ves really hard, like hard. remember the remember it. depression depresson. a during jungle, was the he really bad depression. says. OHI Manuel Garcia 1-16-85 sl:5 MG remember that I they - when - Give me otehr bread It'ssaying, Dried milk and you days never for ever job of out was was during the It - to for the For Canyon. Then toilets. to lake. were from In our tents. sleeping. belly We group camp was They We stovein during - be winter. In MG Inthe winter. LK Really. 2 oh had the or big each had the winter LK that went a I was got married. I - job AndI used also one anotherlake. tents, bed. You that to And like, know. - Andthey stove. To keepus were up th.re. we and trail a then there stay there. tent had Canyon. the distances Becuase our trails up built We used to we jobup a Cottonwood Big lake That get building in Up to month. a there Co-tonwood Big at up was boss 3 miles. Wood $55 earn gotnarried, after army center. times, to They only give - always We one loaf a say few little articles. a Ah, build bridges. under I when youknow. too, certain office at looked here and I ForestService. We built another I bread when they giveyou youcould only thE: governemnt Toilts. was And There's 5 lakesup there. the lake. very And I But Thenyou work 1932, when depression was apply - bad. _ Bread. becuase job it mustrnve been the was amonth. be done. to it like that. oh, to like atime, at letter a of loaf a sometimesyou get flour. Flour. stuff for line note, a and thigns. Sugar. 11 stand D they giveyou some of bread. used 0 I had 8 men. ahig big big warm. That was ORI Manuel Garcia 1-16-85 sl:6 MG We were When it home. there before up got They weekends. so used ID Like had we let us withour wives, 50 to Sunday night, during people. that Itwas our we and here. here fish. uffisme dining room. got friendly and to cook in the our At time. up fire noon,we in tents our camp. lumber camp. That's what it plate. Wed sit Theother guys, Ilk. so many the morning was hill, seen like. together. wondred work a And - Monday Spend - - days two it'scapacity oh they I guess occupy here. one They sit That would fry American boys - do. a them for fry Sawing camp. mnly one. See. Ah. So.we plate people there,you There and that. allcome and had why they didn't know. ride 50 two have fish. - people at give dinner cutting logs But Several of them in movies Our us - wood. big log and our And we'd long. We'd be anywhere to to little holes deep incheE have eat. on In tent. 10-12 to There wasn' You've to tent long. and go back work. big every week come we go cook there. a right byour 'dcome and down to to time. get up early in the morning and go to hills, we'd all t the in then other fellows two wood, whatever wehad snow. a and a One here had We that, you'd get fish about like for used And fue creek's fishing. it we me And They had 100 feet tables. On benches. Becuase had We people of used we back read go time. the rows But Friday night, after tables must have been about two atwinter we every week. the - But out. come come And we'd comehome morning. maybe bad, the winter. it if we was down the were several them.Like Lumber camps. eat. Each Inour one. lika for instance. Why OHI Manuel Garcia i-16-85 sl:7 is them guys Hesaid, these got fish and "WEll, if you fellows would get up three guys do and He'd fry them for - way, that Thta was cook. cook anyway, was playing LK You mean MG Yeah. guy but werein two he a the beer He - but small. isaid, know. end side was Sothey See. He waSOlr was a there. to musician. I guy. one by ive got guy, thebig Hewas over the bar us she - and You know in - steel the thin. was "Hey, was an guitar. Here corner. My wife. picturesof one. he her. "OK, I'll So - we And so She looked take wre theyvere drinking we comes She's herecome two nice 6'2". American so the little one." just talking, beer a two She walkedover When you you. play La to Wehad alittle IDX. us. play music,you put They call it a Paloma?" Yeah. abox out kitty. Sheput So we played theycallit for a people to nickle in it. Sang it. beatiful. looking one begin side to take of two the to tall. sit joint. a I guitar player. guitar. the tin. was girls." Yeah, I'll Becuase he Hawaiin a tall big she beer a joint with Hawaiin joint, just One didn't know it. I Fred. By the now. was plaued girls. fatnow. And - you." for himself. some name. mornings like wife's brotheT. got married. me imet my wifein in inthe don't knowif I should jump from here I - this cook's the was I'd fry them for givehim be my to and your wife With if we'd us me then I But catch fish, happened before So havent? Fred, we a kitty. donate there."ean And she you came you OHI Manuel Garcia 1-16-85 s1:8 and played rightnow played what them. out 0 they But I won't we anyway, waitresss. Andshe talk to to Riding hug. this around. to out made we there we'd Messing go. got another job in working 12:00, To [Leslie laughs] Then I was So date with them. a See. and place, town in cafe a til played we - sit 'lin by decided We when you canyons. don't know if I as a one. youv'e booth and around chasing to go a again. get married. out at night Just mess around. ever been a boy or like Kiss and not girls. SureIhave. MG Well,you know what LK Ofcours- I do. the So day, theycame again. oclock, we'd go out, days. Go years. many Soevery night,after 12:00. sixnonths. in But so it. at Ica't remember knew. about She music. our one good there to do before--withfue MG to And after LK town quite over come know, all, riding. car bit. a oclockin those You we finally we 12:00 at her job. A one after tellyou werything joint, playing at me. was so We went rut dated See. What ... EVery night after work quit used she MG But that tunes kindof--Andfuen the next We another beer at other were. riding. car around. LK for gotmore acquainted. And we g asked - do. to Butwhat I;m wondering - were there clubs around the here. THey close at one or two clock. WE'd just go probably look we wasn't kids. You know. we spent our time. See. at But But the - we didin't go to moonlight and 'talk. and And hug kiss. - clubs then. Kids-- well, Well, taht's how ORI Manuel Garcia 1-16-85 s2:9 ONeof LK I theWys talking was said to that there were clubs some at night here, opned allnight long. MG There were. after so married And I Some months, many to hotel a About room. See, that music. aying to Yeah. s my So t married. herein North justiceof thepeace a thenwe had was decided we clubs. Private pri.vate. - So to went we get Salt Lake. ablock awayfrom living at the When job. my time. Justplaying music. LK You weren't MG No. Fora That We was used There doing dollar ok. to were any out some to cops most shackingup. they didn't L K Well, so ever you tching know got. A nickle right afte the hotel wa Sometiesyou'd get adght. night. a 50¢ the go other work. They us. we were n here, 35¢ tip. a dime here. a got through playing. had in mind that we were married. what. Whatwouldhave been wrong with that. MG Well. LK What MG Carnal what couldthe cops do about which Knowledge, it. means thatyou'rein room a and they know sex with you're doi-g- you're messingaround, you're having woman. You'renot married. LK Really? MG Yes. LK Against MG Yea.Youcan't get More the registered. so iguees that's the a law. now. [he akss increduously] law? a girl andgo Sometimes you to a register hotel as man - if you'renot and wife. married and sothe law comes in ORI Maneu1 Garcia 1-16-85 s2:10 Theyput LK OK. MG So find looking for someth-ng, bey and one lived. you're out married. rot you away. day,they kept Theynt to about We were WE openthe door. just following around, on room our knocekd and getting ready the door on And the for bed. guy Mantill, yes? Well, you'reboth under arrest." Why? in a right "Yeah, a with room a to suitcase the MG I had a go His name is Garcia cousin ••••• My mother was cousin, he died was - I had didn't get 1 bursing she nursed him for too. right me. I dont' really my so the one born. know how And long. Anyway, He time. pick to law. time. sotry. Why he was you long a He He's like abrother. mymother brought cousin. thought for she's there once. that after he And We had Jim Gracia brother a to us against here siad, " certificate from "We hotel at a I "Sure. marraige watc-ing W$ "For sleeping said,"Yeah, I've got I you know got pickedup in Garcia, Becuase his mther my had been think I mentioned I Jim the I'd get through playing, brother that - with Didn't you know it out. is ulY cousin - apologized. "Sorry," time every up.We No. with the papers - said, says-- You're Edna "Your wife?" "Can you prove it." I said, just shackingup." They Becuase LK " So he judge. were me with my wife."Re sleep my wife. each other." girl." "With a we [tap-tap-tap]. Garcia. says,"You're Manny The guy find out where to I my and my brother. was was Jim a a cousin baby. - the father of couldn't keeo the boy. OHI Manuel Garcia 1-16-85 s2:11 So he told my mother keep to him. So we brothers. were that In sense. LK Yougrew MG QAnd we're So like brothers. up called we after that. ourselves if he says, this is my don't yo matter, Hmm. Your mother MG Yes. For Just raised is. Borther Manuel. my ican't say I'd say, what's the cousin Manuel. me abrother anymore. as Like don't think= I the supposed the took him in. certain time. a him. there with and Then ogdfathers tobe sister. And some His second parents. the raised rere wth school the died made we a In the case of trip sister - 13. to The godparents the father andmother dies, care Mary her the United States, they ranged somehow to bring Still my brother, together . We name him and was was They Sothen already. a Mary. through legalities of him here. do you know what fought togehter. are the kids. Somehow it - them to us. of here were Mexico. was left was godfathers take We Mexico, he to came means parents age His sister. they brought ti-me, when - second parents. are padrinos, theygot my mother md we padrinos, which took careofhikm til to he n know, you LK up like u month tha gets mad.Not md, he gets hurt. he - one Brotehr, brorher brother Brothers. My Brother Jim, See. it's my Cousin Jim me, I'm older amonth apart. I We battled And mean. they were We went each other. ORI Manuel Garcia 1-16-85 sl:12 And I then he went had too in the 1945.1 couldn't go in the army at army Re wasn't many kids. married. Andso on. Thestory - goes like that. LK You MG Yeah. but A he lotof this So. So was They'd in a in jail or call S wid E MG In LK But MG Also LK Suppose she messing hotel. having girl the age they'd And get pickedup her limit now. sex and but what been followed threin the they becase of having theycallit. That 21. turned her She loose and was under what aged. Under sex. still have they they punished was. Would he means agreememtns that she agreed sex. was over around gave him threenonths •• having go hotel, together hotel. not the allthat. They plannedfr. That's under age. important. it wouldbe easier to found him in othey too [chuckles] they thought through S aren't name ound with each other all And car. forcedto. knowledge. witha a they sex names trouble. knoweldge, that's having Whatever LK guess to ... turned her loose. She wasn't forbeing a went for carnal the in another.And carnal 18. were I room.Well,they tohave it. him time They could be you or one hotel. somehow be out in anyway She's about 65 years old ago. they - I'm tryingto think of her girl. a important not long so he went Well,t his a with times, they get you But to going was Iguess thats time. arrested. sayinghe got wre beenpickedup. 21 ORI Maneul Garcia 1-16-85 s2:13 MG Yea, rightnow, room witha wants woman he to, they don't arrest arepickedup you yearsold. She's right you Togo Wel prostitiution is anybody that goes married LK That's MG what and has not is sex with a PRostitution is when you pay LK The dothey things many room. Now, posing as Yeah, but they mean the they thatisnot room a Not married. MG In any tyring tried to it one. You've got to pay •• byplanning somebody; i.e., to prove she She was that she that got paid a police sex ahotel time. to with or she was togo was a prostitute. prostitute. becuase a that to room or not. policewoman. a planted get in trouble. It may have been at that prove there,they paInted public placelike to sex. prostitute] were it's against the law tornve LK for do they know whether did know that how a cops they didn't going to know. [he explains woman LK the hotel it. Well how I so guy married. true. LK MG the person, MG What thre's hotel prostitituion is different. MG LK a know thEt. But I enough.if - to LK MG old in becuaseyou'renot now. she hired you. there over prostituting. Theycould plan Maybe on. go - 25 say can You could be taht if you catch a the woman motel. If guy. that's Yeah. not theycatch --- Anyway, your wife. you you're OHI Manuel Garcia 1-16-85 sl:14 MG At LK I'd like MG YeahWell. LK Did- Hasin MG They the time.But mknow to jail after was got ajob where I And a of his came record. they doinghis job well. don't remember whether railroad. t-e conduct. company he's - 70-someodd yearscld. when I cut that used ot msician. a I I i But he's still playing. play man in jail. becuase he plays--he's quit. see. And I the base with a these cant bass three Well, I play guitar fiddle. anymore. I done't bother that See. fingers. dont' man laid him off. still He a he's playing. WhenI quit is played it. job, sothey me. this But finger, play guitau he's with and hired h. didnt want they - carne Serving dowith his to that'sbeen in jail working for the Company. Andthen he's they dismiss to papers of his the but Andthat kindof the army that he of out sent Becoause that. I - Now,that didn't really have nothing was then. was county jail. for working was about amonth later, becuase the Because way. before he or for for three months ga him threemonthsin it than now this. about more ruined his careerin it it'smore Ithink know where to go anymore fromhere. LK dperession. after After the Cottonwood MG Yeah,that About years. 1923 Ca-yon, you was - 1937, 1937, 27-28 back and workingup ere back to I went back. 24-25-26. I went went you the See railroad. that depression I worked there in for depressionwas before 1937. time. - oh Itwas - about quite a few years. ORI Manuel Garcia 1-16-85 s1:15 LK Whatkind of work djd u do. MG I LK Whatwere you MG Well, like sweeping, cleaing up, moving materials. was laborer. a In MG Machine of shop. they want you I - that shop. Ah. Machine Iquit. idou't then But side whatever do around to other In the words, shop. the roundhouse. and end laborer. common a doing. digging ditches, LK Just I - and know think I went I came why I farming 1941 back in worked I quit. some and for ysrs really don't remember. I Then more. got oupleof ac job a I - back at got tired the railroad. two begin side LK Then after three 41, which railroad it you worked was on. MG 41, didyou work for the UP LK After MG No LK The LC After 41. MG After before that. Rio lrande. 41, Ijust stayed Whattime at [interruption] Yeah, and I styaed htere I started onceyou have had quit, after So seniority. seniorir¥ I worked Denverand Rio Grande. the D&RG. i after for the - long, so ah had 2 to start I a laborer lose your you years, - as allover quit and again. Youknow, seniority. again. Before don't 1941- --37, then between the UnioLl Pacific. You 37 and the Union I 41, Pacific, ORI Manuel Garcia 1-16-85 sl:16 before, right after 1928 when is I worked the at ______ Saltaire LK Jobs MG Jobs? Roalroad, Oh yea. want pay was't as sbt cars maybe At that afford it. when Thatwas MG $18 LK a rightow lived just a Rmm. we That Andit was a Was our was $7 a were best I used car. $100 so low, You were time, when I wasmarried for month a five S Ave, it was room to hour when day. $800. was wouldbe 400-500 dollars, on cars at no andy gandy I for dancer - livedon Was still Shoreline Ave. - during goodtimes, one better than Section work. erm, my house. That rent. it was $18 weren't we? you know. working for Andit's ties. shovel. never done I was working different-- when that's what they callthem, you know. eyah. ButI've Union theother? Grande, Iwasinfueshop. ididn't work dancer with his know thet buy $20/month. there any difference between the Rio to the most. to Well, i'll tellyou. When Iworked for the Union Pacific worked the a beautiful wages that at Our cars. an $3.04 Wemade hour. an 37¢ was pay Chevrolet was for the railrooad. LK my then. but bedroom house. two PAcific and D&RG. MG - giveme ajob. say, problem wasno new But Ithink we lyou 37¢ and brand My house, month. Yeah. a see. there where Over tel enough moneym buy $75. for There now. see. seems. there over the railroad. time, house WEll, start cars-Say first wife, same to Wehad -the today go good. I'll started at You know. Wife: You between, you find, it to pretty easy were Sure, you I see.In it. - I was I HI Manuel Garcia 1-16-85 sl:17 MG that's what I did for the Union Pacific. We tamped ties, OK.Well, sometimes with bar, sometimes with We got apick with a wide 4 on the other Andyou'd dig side. inch flat 5 or shovel, with a with they'd and one side one on pick. a and pointed tap with the flat side, underneath the ties. LK Right. MG When I got laborer. Then it LK Yeah. MG That myself second on was shop. our they it I and Roper, - it was a It was And moved it that job as of I day. put in to shop. You - it. working I worked helper. And as a I do you know where - the It paid Eason \10 the same was application for it thing they - I a no machine of rid the steam sometimes call - well, Then I it. got it wasn't really got it I wanted certain and - is place over - for years, andover and open- request for truck driver, and got it. I for clear down to Helper and back. Up So I Becuase I was one of over the got the job. AndI traveled oh from in it. The called - and over put that the Getting the way in in here more when you work South. That's when they transfered it. over is what helper So, when the job an oldestmen here is more the in locomotives. started I truck driver. get tired. eery sweeping, theHY6rGrande. 21st to shop, they called diesel machinist they paid tobe out J?u thfIMCO - shop with here over still worked then mostly helping a machinist a south machine a -they start buying diesels, and htat. me to up started I shop. is? Thenfromthere, shop was the in was advanced I kept advancing, ..:_MCO I job here, a to ORI Manuel 1-16-85 Garcia s3:18 Provo. Ogden, That LK was Thistle delivering material, bringing material. back. - job. my Whatkindof material in boxes. you got thisis t iie working write toilet paper, we need whatever they tell They take to LK Youwere MG I need themthe over Whenever had I selse. back we I Andtake see it til next time order,with the kind of Need two two were the Ihad guys to load and brother trips. leave take S oI boxes of we want we need some we got loading stuff It used takes ask for say, to all go unload a day. Go list like - see, in inthe toilet paper. to helper. take with a helper. Take Or me- morning had. we I go five barrels of If not, thebox. Thistle wants take them rut too. that 10 minutes before the whistle_ thetruck with what ths to you need yeah, - guy a helper work there or the driver and a mrning. Andthen unload it. And a and list oil. I And locomotive wheels. there But - just hfore the whistle blow-5 had an tools, some So fuere they oil, some of wheels, pair driving. was heavy load, a we with a everything. I there If blew. And when yourbrother, Raymond. My come need We need we toilet paper. So when need we - paper driver. boss would boyd call or taking toilet as office up there, an need they Salt Lake. in - napkins, some size. only driver the me.An it note want. driving before, was a toilets, got you eitheryou got - far as go there. the0nly the was - jl.ace they keep they just some, there ordered up They man a it would Like well useful material. MG the dock. Igo down and Set -- I them by a my certain truck. follow the list. OHI Maneul Garcia 1-16-85 s3:19 show it I So Isthere to anything with you." See, they send rock. Youknow what some rolls. the An rolls as wide 4 So I "Hey says, standing me and up like Theyblock like taht, hour. 40. I to to go " •• I think gypsym of a rolled them on my this. like one it themost. [whos] that moved it But problem. coming. S if laid But they I a And - they back of one roll. it 35 miles problem. turn. easy. So time. out on And when the I got up thre, platform waiting with they were cranes. waiting "God, I'm an problem. I Igot up there. It a roll I would-'t time A a it. inthe arfternoon. the other. on morning. Andit's only 170-180 miles, that's oclock them five ton thereabout 2 theboss Well ,every time them that way, fast had got left here at rock. Fish Lake. - I I sheet as load meup. they But here take oyou did have couldn't go fast.I couldn't make r cab it wouldn't little bit. a wide as plant. Well, they locked truck. big In my so About Two ton. right htere. somewhere - time One you know factory, a hole where freight house, the mail - make sheet They took ten that feet wide. name canfeel had much the IT's I So as take youcan Comeback and rock. big s a the brake, I put have each abouta "You got everything . oclock inthe afternoon. two each roll. on take. to the Fish Lake. by At sheet I'd say 4 - That's down plant Forthe ton to got you checks He the way, By rock is. were as went SEGURE. them for sheet five Andabout feet. the paper. is thepaper do. to me business. clear to me Theyneeded Seg else you want "OK. Load itup and take off. Yeah. and Isay, well, f l've got these boss. our took I0r sure me it. 1 in that The the long guys glad you're were OHI Manuel Garcia 1-16-85 s3:20 here, Manuel. We that--becuase they back in need sure needed the the morning. They paid forey dinners about morning Cafe. of 'T's almsot time going to to lUe don't I hours thik I on else locomotives,see. I home came Lt ii the got sand to the ain't I long?" Well, becuse take bed. Too long time ago. sand brakes,you for It tOOk Ogden." to to they needed for so to go like soething pis-ed off a - load, used they I - came have got here I msut told the guy, I load, sand, a I nice dinner. a again. got pretty I'm sleepy can. the road! somebody sent He "Well you got 1ongtime. a Had got here'.' What took you work when I couldn't go any faster. I work to go And me. it must have been about trips like tht. the plant from making 5-6 oclock inthe morning. oh that. the unloaded Sothey paper. got in the cafe, 3 oclock in the in the that."Theystppped many They the know that don't you. LK Oh MG S LK Right. MG That was the endof LK What was itlike othey grab t-e MG yeah, they put when was Andwehn Maybe I fun. that working I the machine in your no the car I trips - on shop and working with guys. it. enjoyed didn't have polish •• trip. the other sometime clean u would the wheel on they spin truck drivers, Oh, it sand sit the enjoyed to go I every minute helped inside of it. there. locomotive down and clean the outside, you know in fue summer parts,like OHI Mauel Garcia 1-16-85 s3:2.1 ain't got nothing when you cab the on them very bad. Ogden right they need it will an extra in the - them. I fueycall prbably be get 5 or And my on I out lunch after supper ume, 8 dollars, I of lunches. ther 1take my lunch with But I charge themfur idea. a everybody's the companies. We're crooks! L How di MG Oh, good good. LK Did they treat A treat you well. you was town, on slip I I - extra an me a paper. If - maybe about I didn't piece of well, that was but they stillcharge my- I 8 dollars. - A there tha [both laugh] they fair? order didn't them time. accumulate I - piece of balogna. full meal. charge they give If there comeback get over piece of a -- guys. Were hour an of didn't They take lunches was dhecomany a I tu it's another 5-10 ButI me. it over WhenI time. to go Anytime you'renot lunch cost. put - amnth, you give thema t50 dollars bread. got tellthem my have once Come back. to. it steak -7 100- got We need these boxes quiting over late, T-bone So off. take to need I hey say, you know. you take to got allowed was lunches, when much per whateverI a telephone. Ogden, You the wipe not just the special was Hey, Manuel, - and 15 min. 10 or it -- quitting time, you're allowed at get and 10 minutes hour, which you I me up?" on Hey!! WHy say, forgot namesof things you "What's now. hour wages. so So presmises then the by certain brake box I The windoes L jobs. a locomotive. do. to eat OHI Manuel Garcia 1-16-85 s4:22 end side three begin. side MG four Had to you know what something, LK ok. [He's trying therediscriminationbetween MG No. They LK You guy MG .•. .Up showed you my thre on So About - a And and he a was party make a crippled to Now this have missedhim for any kindof drink The party was playing or as so a 3 weeks at from my boss. Now, taht's He in -- a time says, how well - Oh, what or 4 I or I I thing. toldyou 5 weeks. year to So - I I didn't make still didn't ound. He was he used to be mess He's more going to or to less why we get a I tellyou. get really time when I last year, told you about youwantbecuase was a enjoying myself know. good. That's when I used musician. When legs. party and bartender in his younger life. And that's a once My family. unable one each tohave aparty. New Years You - We visit aparty last New Year's ·party becuase my son's still I a and allthat. up the year before. haven't haD 2 ha-- I used just about before didn't feel like having I He mixes go to Weused fell down and broke his SOIl my bartender and a Weused • year ago, taht's when my that. him] sometimes. men Years' Eve. For my friends. New tell to ••• the last years. to for friendly. were were something got apiec El>f paper with all my railroad friends. other I s the Ask the boss mean. think of to Was I go for a to week or leaveof absence "Go mead. Make your money while you can." they treated me. They were good guys. Your friends. Garcia OHI Manuel s4:23 1-16-85 live-ah That That's what They treat Say, hey, One MG some I It close a was keep the all Yeah. with your of I the think then they things They'renot MG I do-'t That's with it think getting are one your over reason. LK close so. now I good way I I say, same different not they as as guess being couple a railroad. them for build that. has it to as sue taken to do The way you treat to right •• they used But are Instead you days farther If you him. court to to ••• then. be more putting it. alot way. close used friendly, they take andbe I than in those they're think of Sold people. neighbor, you'll I'm like Stuff too. Idon't know what you call L. - boys, my house. to the on build, to want they time. They're now. are LK are the with was here over of my friends A lot people, you'llbe treated in the Mrs come yourself. Andyour persoanlity. person you know. guy, motorcycle. Hi, Manuel. Fine. The way group I - boys. friendship my mean a just was retireq they I campers. soldthemcampers. them. LK in his es com the after I guys. everybody good, right. treat them.I wasn't You know. so. they're good you. I anyway. treat of One the bosses. of my bosses I and so you guy I the way me me to next right With found. I in other words. Even work they - apart. - dog having of court People eats dog. trouble trying to talk of any little now. Why. mailbox. MG move it. And It's out there that mailbox out on there - me to move it. I won't man bought OHI Manuel Garcia 1-16-85 s4:24 that propety and he no, leave all thepostal it wants services check to it. on through don't haveto Mrs That's MG He state says front. fromfue I' MG Andthen saw as in his is He you'reok. said, property becuase it's in it's about fromhere say driveway. it when I through it. move that mailbox the double See that wall to driveway there's - twenty foot a there. driveway right LK said, hey, property anyway. that Oh, I I went - Theysaid, oh, you're ok. Everyone the big shot inthe postal service. Sol And my mailbox. move So we've been there. out to me I you comingin. was if you notice go out, to the y mailbox right, is there. LK I MG It's·about 6 feet from the driveway and it's saw it, yeah. driveway. Well, both get permission on this our flag post. this then I wouldbe belong me side of I to th belongs my mail now? fyousee it, it's put it on that side walk. to the him whatsoever. me to for him. guys He wants calls I me do. to Go - ask put it a big My mailbox. That would That wouldbe he the That's his side, it's ontaht post. side of tresspassing Isaid, what the hell tresspassing. If side.i've been to that he's suing there. __________ beon other mail to he wants post. that I'm trespassing. property. we he daims that that that know. the sidewalk don't on his proper.ty trespassing Theysaid, belong to - that him. on - the don't He's OHI Manuel garcia 1-16-85 s4:25 got clean it, to t theyrnll 2 tomaintain right a feet that still can't go he But ther's this is LK The MG Yeah. and here's - tell you he's - lot theparking -- inches Pavc d or that propety. on thse - place right here. It's the foot wide. ten move he claims allthat. LK Such MG I a think so for a claims He , becuase I've got He's a Gilbert Garcia. Gil. He It seems MG It is. LK Let me How n'r e inthat like ask you in there out in front. ever do that don't belong park me to to lim. court for thousand dollars. ten it out. fault Bullshit. go to time. checked no supposed not That's wPy he's taking does. me of He's Butiou to. car. your it Suing waste LK 20 a his. it's about But MG don't know what I street's right here. the park. You'reno supposed see state his of - There's about it. the to The drainage. And he for snows,he's supposed it sidewalk. front in then And drainage. belongs out sidewalk's here word a if like - below the even - it a .. people at stupid you - through highway patrolman. waste of saying time •• like where that carlot cop. He I toldhim. is. It ••• people was used tobe friendlier. days. first moved here. we a all. friendlier in bose When who's it, he said, Dad, I don't looked at were ghborly. son my A two owned by story building - lot - I - can't OHI Manuel Garcia 1-16-85 s4:26 remember the And had they had They It name. was Refttal Units. Loaded withpeople there, When third or My is name and so so Now. They jiOl.'t tobe frienldy. They here. Allreds. Rightin the LK ALLRED. MG Allred Inc. remember have This So They to was mine on they becuase When did MG When it •.• was that Right that made Mormons ••• friendly at a that - The here over that ah it - first people-- was thing we knew-- theople comes "YEs." Garcia? own unless time. tha big wanted they door Next people cone ern. be Wemd other live next doorhere. to ahd they chicken coop a belongs to right here. them guys. side. I mean, passes a a - big it. were were all petition some so people there. Wilcox damn friendly around here to around here. get rid of me Mexican. happen. after that we no ved Le r e petition? I this house here. There they people And They bought friendly. the somebody I LK - name. - were Which used their was coming ones there. Lght; neighborhood." our business the we - is Mr. name r four units. door. next no used them but to one there. corner house in front. Ah. Welcome They're They placerere Said, You're •• had din here, move we -- that white door, next day, ah - thebighouse this bought we from t he front house. Mrs there. right timer like thislittlehouse, tenants teh second old an , They didn't want us here. Who was can't OHI Manuel Garcia 1-16-85 s4:27 MG No, LK Your wife MG WEll, ah Mrs I MG Anyway it don't the about ayear afte Becuase was saying wa can't say I - it someof was then. the Mormons here. .••• the titionwas brought the Allreds to in fronthtere--and out them, whoever they were that now. The Garcias." we have right there when Remember Mrs Yes MG Irrigate Hell, we've around here. everybody never Theylikedme. used we here, to had any Back here, irrigate to the Allred nobody signed. U here. us ••• people And theAllreds knew Wilcoxes, told bett3er neighbors these homes back •• •• used Itused to friendly. I garden. Real this - LK What year MG Let's Mrs When didyou to to come mean, move to go our the What year Q I MG 38 years ago. LK About MG Approximately. LK ABout 1946? MG Yeah. Pretty close 1945. they had alittle property here up surroundings. that Two to or their house. three blocks down here. have been Hon. born. was ca-'t remember. About 38 MRS - here. What year would see. their • 46. - to that. That's not too--- Well. LK What about was the the are area. like around here at that time. What do you remember OHI Manuel Garcia 1-16-85 s4:28 MG There Mrs Smal houses LK Small houses MG Yeah. LK Was G Not when were it The in the area. inthe area. movedin here we Japense, Chinces for them before was was the working was - they - celery during the depressiou.I for 25 an Hrom. MRs There LK An Mrs Yeah, but I can't remember the So icecream things hour. slettuce and A tell to big go was name I I of it. there I MG a used time. time long to get my Resdiential-there These - two you know. place. cream things doors They made amotel Next door was ago. there. That mostly - tire Used Itwas down, out Allred, there there allthe wasnothing but there the cream important like women, to place fueynotice b- Herb Miller, said. That was was there. time. residential was has been here for many years. no motel. of chicken coosp. like I that ice can't. That tires Remember get sundaes allthe time. remember Little big places. - Millers long Japs, ice an - ________ a That smallhouses. there and over don't remember. I Well. for stufflike that. time ago. long long those For around here.Just color your shirt is. what Second West. on place. things - less kid. a littlrousinessover here one that you'd Mrs businesses no was Those place. or and depression. was cents more were growers LK MG residential a farm land here. I worked I business.lt no Was through here. Therewas [chuckles] Allreds. a chicken coop. Two doors And he down. brought some OHI Manuel 1-16-85 Garcia s4:29 cabs right there. them, right next mine. to Thoseare old army barracks. MG Yeah. Then LK they them. Iwa s here when cemented fixed youve been in Sou were a drove in. Wbereyou LK They houses made Army rented them up, place, things Yeah. done all that, have see. changed. big things and the the that you remember sayihg Yeah. of See, after 40 years them out. of lot a they out partments - women remember allthe details. MG Yeah. Thebig things.Like here. He's my boss from the railroad. And he had a can't walk. that both live LK Oh MG Yeah. stroke, togeher. move And Two fromhere down. was or retired, side. one his wife Soshe died about 4 THEY ASKED ME TO he ot the and be • stroke, he got with him. manother side four side five stroke, And and so they Thtat so put him in be hospital for nothing 5 years or come didn't have nobody begin on to live doors down two three doors he had from here. stroke. a And then he's got a He daughter Paralyzed.Andthey partly blind. god. AND end after he - He's paralyzed theyoouldn't - And He used my boss. a a maybe longer - ago. all bearer becuase was my boss. So. He she got - bad, he couldn't hardly walk. couple of they brought took him to weeks. after Sothey Andtheycouldn't him home. And he had the ppoor man's house do OHI Manuel Garcia 1-16-85 s5:30 .• been role to not and neice, would ursery home. carlot Mrs care rome in that tohave a used MG to car Mrs A year MG Oh, a He's been over Him and his year. 4-5-6 months ago. I he summer MG Theycound her. Mrs Aheart MG So used it. where the be theirhome. to Wp.le they there. store She ou there Hobbling here and know. - there. months, isn't he? easy 6 daughter over go ther¢ She died over there time. She died there. attack. went she died. their funeral. to Whm wasin. Becuase they hated used to us go There was she the scouted people hated becuase take around we care used to no her theywere goingto·bury investigations, - - ad no infue paper when nothing. But through foundout what mortuary she us. They go over amm and her. - And - his sister and reice there and ta2 -are mymughter-in-Iaw of used clean theirhouse. go And •• That sister now. about I together. That's they usedtohave the realth Mrs we His theycalled as both there. - it. run now. - is. Yeah, they both did. Crippled, But, Mrs lot Their ancestors slaughter house, health store -- office. crhimself. her too They put Thefirst is. used They take they she pay her and owuld for her to then didn't they buy eroceries for them. They'd buy groceries, and they said, giving her--they were giving too want her to pay her. make a check out that money much money for they were groceries. Well, them. to OHI Manuel Garcia 1-16-85 s5:31 the wanted Rhonda give cash, you know, that. She didn'thave extra cash said they we to the check on for buysomething to at lunch her give home. a she wanted So -something check all Ike tacos the time. that' - were stealing go. Anyway, from them. the money to or she'd make So to clean house. We were And robh; them. MG that part Let he getting was about bank And to Oscor. out of it. MG Yeah. her I let every used He I receipt bank at my to bring to Keep it,in him. name safeplace. Well, a word I didn't have nothing I quit. do with to me. wasmaking But checks for me, making checks for Rhonda making thechecks. Theywer gning theywere and help, cleaning house, cleaning wall, mopping me 2 about 3 oclock in or she can't daughter fell, "d get up, dress myself, floor. or And the bank. •• daughter-in-law. -call my to much, that checks which two - so receipt what )Oudeposit] His a in other quit me Stthey tought Yur you railroad Here's your desposit. They ¥culdn 't LK it them robbing that, he had $18,000 in the bank, when Ileft. When made They take for him. deposit [You know, they bring was were check from the a $1100. Iused .• we Once she get up. I'd go meabout 12- And 1 or put her in I 2 - on Will you over she'd call down. the m- used they to morning. He'd say,"Manual, there. gets down off the couch, another, she slips and falls heavy girl. the them for she So couch. I give me She'd be her ahand." on the can't get up. help And hey, Manuel, her. She's sometimes my Dad Somehow they fell a call down. OHI Manuel Garcia 1-16-85 s5:32 Iknow what So the hell One tt K absolutely helpless MG Absolutely helpless. Mrs H €Could walk witha MG Hecould very I the store, the bank, MG ANyway, they thought And we told $100 to $100. I house. them clean say, a But she never wrotem I Andthat's house. ought righton they'v know what mean. to too this. a got while. those checks thecheck for too groceries. run much money. But the check is made they just look Oh, they took allhis money. at Put I for. thelig in So ones. their Mrs Power cf MG Now, beycan do anything they want.Now, attorney. LK Right. to them. as soon as he dies, You name. She's got property belongs they her think that you Itis Becuase put down there groceries and cleaning the check what done it. much. like $100 included hey, people said, in once becuaseof taht But after that, I him $100. you Write robbing For - chair. times before he several Rhonda. plus groceries. I were leg, one She'd take him to the doc tor. Your wife. work He'd hop with - to "Well, "I A wheel chair. "What cane. L K write don't know. I a say, •. one bad, real bad. to on I go. them. on little with took him to used him sit chars with rollers these sound THey Oscar." O'!:1 I Hf'Ee dressup atgain. down there, doing you I "Come on." I get him up, say, L that mean.t that OHI Manuel Garcia 1-16-85 s5:33 MG Got Mrs It's all right. MG nice property there. a Rightnow, Tomorrow we mmmmoooo he sees see go a --- He us. us I know you how Edna. MG How old areyou [Wife leaves LK glad when We were a ihad A musician. Until I And we to I retired h I Then I built got married. bed want shows and my wife. happy us As to e name soon us is? as but he by bawling. name "Mmmmaaannlll" name. traveling He's seventy nine. ••• I the wheel on is your do. that Thingsyou A Hollywood.- I high the it to I ] with the railroad. or bgije all Iwas of dreams. I wanted I nothinglike I was But be to never that. young. allthe happy with time what I was build wood work stuff. built my first to •• achieve. time. star started til the end, fromyears frombaby working quit playing music. cabinets. •• class musician. movie a accomplished 1973, wanted wanted at amusican. he will says - did you have any kinds life, ' chair; paralyzed so your work before and on to was in between when dong. him evervttjng intended to go time. every What's my he dies becuase he I he So am. Me get the kids] to wanted musician. I ffffiiitttty---twoooo look back Thingsyou No, crying. baby a they done it. You kow what my ••••.• think he's I the way him every week. seee "suuuurrr" talkingabout When you MG .. We like What's her •••• [MG Talks about be Andhe mumbles happy us about like that. LK talk. him. he cries. the idea wasjust even starts can't tell say, It he can't baby baby- - it baby bed. was so Tha baby well constructed. OHI Manuel ±-16-85 I Garcia s5:34 got rid of to bed a old bed. I It was well built. Well, Them was my music, like J of fun. first moved rere. we It wasn't love anyway. toldyou It pretty. Music. Weused •••• 6 months ago, about just thI-ade when duaghter my that give it About 37 years solid. was CArpentry. Traveling travel and to i we used used to go to to have a lot I got well together withthe bus driver and otehr older people that in were dance. our Come After I shows. We -played dates, go and have home, go.back few drinks a That work. to we was my at night clubbing. and thenight clubs life. I mean, I'm happy with my life. LK tobe MG have any dreasm for your kids Didyou TO me, with to B, Like I said. somebody All my dreams be liked - they liked me person becuaseof A lot of were I can almost the way I even or seen ashort before. [interrutption] Just times, tellyou. by talking conversation. other in law end your kids I comes in] to accomplished. to m:9 way after But of my can them a person. mind, WIat tellyou are. - acting, they talked talked, the way you look at wouldhave been, what youcan be, what you t - like my face. by lookingat him, maybe through person he is. whatI by people. And people, maybe they didn't You k·on't know. a want anything. No. No. .Didyou I I treat can kind d a what you People Idon, maybe for half an people. tell hour Oral History Institute Manuel Garcia Interviewed MG 1-28-85 Bathroom and bedroom. that I MG in big patio built that Bad. allover high. wind from this served that blocked in I is. That I can't You put Weeds. The weeds. Me and around. it They Imoved here. and the big garden right from over here - my a bought: have I a sheet Where here. one of the where Right stove. rock up there, there and almost 40 years Just I field couldn't started the a From I stove, ago. out see working. fence. some It wooden heater here, is to door. a And this coal garden. house I was first. rock it inthe front doors for the wife made out was this here - Ihad there. Which no the Tokeep few years, a side 2-3 top of the sheet rock. have to therewas kid and two - becuase it Youcould walk On door a righthere used the on sheet The windows. tobe see I would And after it. pile The Est wereshingles. when Then, dirt why they. Andit is on. 39 years ago. 1973. in got it. foundation part. ididn't need - and shack to start with. old an the guess there used chimney a the middle back. around painted that door. Had this box see. place. like insulation anyway. - bedrooms extra from the railroad It had falling apart. and two patio? [L:yes] in when you just was paneling andput couch is house. It the sides Old paper the see retired I place piled The You Built it. time] going under, rock it Sheet I Just shingles. paper. of this Bad condition. feet of the back. patio after Whatconditionwas Weeds extended I that he hadn't [before LK Leslie Kelen by in you. had one a end ORI Manuel Garcia 1-28-85 sl:2 to the other. Turned the dirt. [laughs] tich know. I And when work the hand work. All Instead hired I get brothers to kindof work then. me ahand. So he was - teach them how to do girls But next to she must the things. plants planted. I went and And showed her how seehow she was doing. [laughs] Shethought they about it It - good already, Oh, me and justnade £e. and thewife. you shouldn't send dong? Well, fueyve got __________ ,too. teach them LK Where MG Where did had no a didyou I to little at a plants but And they pulledup too. wer that to a woman. had some weedy. So all my pepper plants hey they looking were a little time to it. And my wife said, Well, start. They don't know what [chuckles] Yeah, of. went Well, Ididn't do nothing Becuase takes there. kind I - tcmatoe Eventually they they're plants, learn. You time. learn to do learn? It just the work come any kind. I on be house. natural of I'd around, you know. And when I about lean. you of my one - 8 years it over I or weeds laughed Big enough fact, old. do to baby girl. Now, she's feel bad. me sometimes, my weed were Different schooling of 7 of got ground, big enough was matter a She had girl a As plants, We My kid tomato to And And wife. I usedto do most we 6-7-8-10 years old. was have been about pepper to it No, - till the [laughs again] Ahh, give shovel. a Then when tiller to a and my kids. Me just know. You aplow. rented - got rich hand. by a of Cultivated with to me, I guess-I never just like from=-the beginning of OHI Manuel Garcia 1-28-85 sl:3 life. my I that nike I told you, first baby fromthe And thenwc babies piled But, last to one of my I've I all. 2x4s 2x6s or plywood or feet.You And one And i bed. don'tknow who's got it I that just instnace. had on your iide going to to goes tr.e to do togehter here and nail you've got to the I - a corner like this can nail tl:is way. this way learn. Unless or you to extra every 16 inches apart. to Like measuring. e piece. ok , on. Put giveyou See. school a corner, you've got - nail Thatwill that way. go put your start ther this I no • addon. either something far apart your got you to an was And that. in it think i There's nothing one look at here, what To me, how I've had life. one. - So like later Put sides to the house that before your three parts other. You like - for roofs. got you've got t hat out and roof so-so, there. nail construction of four hto measure 2x4 the the store and to go just follow -by looking. That's how I find to whatever you When or - carpenters work and allthat. I go and the Now .flew mistakesin my how used got married and had that girls magazine a home come seen at nad like baby baby. still around. at learned.Looking. problem a the bed baby Igo look see, built. 4 to stuff that all my kids baby bed a wood and on up. you know and I I made working it's still in the mily somewheres. Maybe inthe gar age But now. it gave that - started when I guess, for But imade for the 2x4 here Buthow areyou So I two room learned 2x4s on both like I say, that. t.,e\1" Or have a OHI Manuel Garcia 1-28-85 s1:4 carpenter all your life. kind of work. Not - girls and thht and I Ah. too ••• ] the street. What a Iwas girl. girls L K like little that. Had to going 19. Summer ••• was Smart And the pulla fast to Well, young to find to things like that. fish. fun. like what do to know, you You afmaily. Sunday, tohave 2 - or of couf>le a can don't we the fishing. Hug used I only way You two. or Doalittle itwas got the house On to joints Or go down somebody. you're just smart a ason into beer go and wife who maybe one. get married. we were family. Did She tellyou fun with the 3 months. it. But you had of the girls. was about one - had never love with each other. We decided So. time was Isabel. planned - some over one - 16 yers onfue beet working Had I I'll name We too Have seasons, ••• daughters to work [both laugh] with this Her girls. Men time, go o time. chase to three or chase creek close a two to way family, a that Iliked that had that farmingt Iwas younger,... lessbashful about or Kissher and what not. Very shrewd hard. MG Ina fishing, there's work allthe I too. more neve rd Ld I [chukcles] good 16-17 year old daughters. go when - antying like that or join. time. people you know Well, whenyo go with kind of was go with to Kindof hard halls pool or used long a farming, Itsjust liked I monkey around, Well. MG My main work not [chuckles LK Or two fields And over there. duaghters. her. forget torun there old. away - that But I one We kindof and she We was was about AndI went beauitful. fell in get married. got some clothes ORI Manuel 1-28-85 Garcia sl:5 of hers, a of pants forme. dress. Skirt. And watever. shirt. And she You know. and put them in she got pair a bundle a [interruption] Thisis my baby daughter [back to So could we Isabel] run [not .. Making a gout tothmack yard and get the during we And of them times, the window in folks. and away oldtime and talked the bridge. goingon we to a And DId told the boys, That's all and I block, a There the you know. this she "By, you and fellows" and And we see. stopped Thiswas the - So girl. - , washing were bridge. she guys stopped there got therebefore I did through them, well, we're ready to they it's sweaty and and even fields us. to or front and 9 Mexicans and were contract. sides me half out there, talking the wentout coal. already front the burn to Not the bundle room to becuase they said, Well, good luck I wood. in ditch. For wagons, them guys, bring was About go. was between in I room. the back -.NO bridges. bring She had went rut. clothes. evening, she'd evey you know. Youknow, how after work, talked to and my and The theback ablock away clothes of wood day. Used l •••• evning. Well, load a big fields. Theyused knew what's and the American, that used towrk with feeet. an she She wentout hands quartertt and there. one Thosewere their over burn joined one the next to tothe a or used through we night anymore bundle with her later in away baby a to allthat. we cut go And get married. then I right through come the And by OHI Manual 1-28-85 Garcia s1:6 We wera'in gields. used We about to it could Shemissed around LK Her MG Yeah. So. the But the With couldn't find her, othe next Lake. Salt the way wait to We then only the through the road. see When car. cop Whichwas could we __ shecalled the cops. At to Buy and bought come two a go to couple two or a to story] bus and clothes for at Idaho Falls. I sandwiches. two guys Carlos Some working clcehes cake to the We raveled all bus iwent to stop.We had ' in toldher, hey, asand around the stand something. When her. - come There must be or farm. a To don't know why. standing by ••• a one didn't touch I I went Salt Lake. Pocatello, fueyhad two. had from how you wouldbe in imagine tickets we sandwiches you know. Thisis my yyoung son, [back clothes. cafe around here. of back, therere our left, Pocatello. hour night. we for her and go all When changed Falls and I one there had we smart. She could we the an slept Youcan me togeher. Idaho to iwas morning, We mounted here. I we We went us. rooms. were changed. morning, for 'm going see. next depot and got bus two the doors you know. Dirty • rented I other, them. caught never So, the girl. She had io They room. a to room to while. but We went Idaho. didn't come. Went looking for her girl the house, forme. one S the a Automobiles. cars. Idaho Falls. to go from Franklin. quite us to Franklin. parents? rented on took see had We of miles couple a fields. We there go called place they a I [another person] OHI Manuel Garcia 1-28-85 sl:7 YEa. of I them two seen I rothing. was toher, my girl Idaho Falls." have orders He yeah. He says, to pick there. standing little dumb. there. was Garcia?" I said, we a - guys She says I When I You know. ••. he says, said,"Well, we're "The parents you up didn't have of got close "Areyou Manuel from Lincoln, this idea no Idaho. have asked girl •. andtake you back to Idaho Falls." "what for?" AndISaid, LK Who MG COps. Detectives. They showed the bidge and all. They [camel-in the they? were Idaho Falls From car. the car, end side begin They just got see. called about to -- Pocatello from Idaho--they drove in in us time there. I guessthey the bus. one side two Yeah, he said, "You're wanted back inIdaho Falls." I said, for?" He said, "We lave and takeyou put me in jail in And then, they must I back. forced her she came LK Not by MG Yeah. had - not herown And court. to You no and Idaho have come to idea, they just th rl." Sothey Falls. t cLdus took to pick "What you up me back and they because she said that County jail. scared this Salt Lake to girl get married. She said, by force. free will. theyput Three me days in jail. I wasin Iwas there the IDunty three jail. days and They took we her OHI vanual Garcia 1-28-85 s8 home. So that she went told say good by and told Including the American guys. Witnesses. I three in days got won but you ok. sai old lady -the But cannot she we ran I the talk to shackingup for law do at eyes away years haveto evrybody those guys. Mexican. a the in he court tome. But case, I there. I said, They said, Well send a had you sheriff with girl. me and me up tothat see.I And that house. like, ohh, if she could me don't even just shackingup. throw there.She hated Theoldman, he didn't see. were all nothing she'd have killed -- And them all dsmissed we They drove looked thinkthey But go. yournn stepfatehr of the girl, married. had they Theydidn't case. Sowe went. and becuase So trey got isaid, stoppped thre on. just like was jail.anyway. Whenthey with her daggers me the going So you have. there1She get my clothes from that ranch. to shouldn't go. I He They said, was that. work with Mexicans. to I've before goingan said, I've got witnesses I over them what was you them. free will. own knew what used vg of her I allthose people wereworking yeah, to had court. we care. think xhink He was they theyd were been together. marriage. LK Common MG Well, the lady give They took me brother and to a me my clothes time Lincolns, made body was out of the a Lincoln. aluminum, allmadea aluminum.Old suitcase. Icalled my mother. again. And Idaho Falls friend had and An a old Lincoln. quarter inch. fashioned. T opick So my Them old Even me- the bring me ORI Manuel 1-28-85 Garcia s:l--: 9 home from Idaho Falls. Justbefore five miles away fromthere, Five over. And had. friend times. the were leaned car the in you get hurt I'm ok. out the window and torere. Crawling tohim. happened home. in OK. out it. For transporting A MG A miner LK Kidnapping charge. MG No, miner, you robbed have for use sex we was girl, a girl ok? Did You They little crawled bit, right that's the only thing that Some got on that - gave him guy bus a if and a ride come on theyhadn;t caught me I'd have crossed the state line doing 'white slavery' they a this across the used call to line. state Even Lf.ke- it some - older an We girl. they bring - readin YEah, they -- them from • They the paper use them •. LK TO be MG WHatever. prostitutes They use here. them They've just got girls, here, it. and broken. cutlimself And I was.And later down you know. was turned information they and my brother - The wi.ndow of out and about mean. girl. t hey laying this have been LK the the window. Whatlfoundout I would to seat Theycame Idaho Falls, with and According then my brother Idaho, that's where to accident down Both ok. Idaho Falls, an upside front to in they got said. They they got they brought Well,anywya, I to make money here. even older over that foudn out. About a women. man week They're If had it, they he not married. catch him goes to later, her mother the pen. wrote me ORI Manuel 1-28-85 Garcia s1:10 my mother - If wanted I letter a to msut what she wanted forced her. I there. right they found But the Andw hether she did and herup By that If she lies weeks I had Taht was one out no of pick go cannot more. the bad was her. the girl stand it. yp. That - I And don't didn't that working jobs wanted said, I no, to me to toldmy I don't Refused want to to write. her daugher any was the end of Ihad go during the over me. Mom. her. want And about 2 or 3 tomymother. and get her. tell her To I more. that that say pick go I her. want to marry themother wrote again, joining Manted me she had Anyway, that's lie. marry her. to I that - a lady Irefused. So write it over. was wrote desire of no time, but one to She so the old not, forcing me thing. same Mother toldmy that or later, the mother SAykng I about to me sstillwanted girl time, my feeling the her her hme with me, bring for married. Theyscared to. But said, giving the old lady hellbecuase she didn't do have been girl and couldget we - - did at love afair. time. summer [laughed] All ught? LK That's kind of painful. MG No. I divorced married this s It wasn't No. - for girl you meet love with - I that toldyou 7 yeras. just girls them. a like I painful. about had divorcing two puppy love. that - - when if Where kids. had I was That's what it you're you don't of pain first wife. my That alot young. see We painful. You was. Youthink tem in a was when were But - know, you're week or in so, OHI Manuel Garcia 1-28-85 s1:11 tell you they don't she maybe hey, Idon't - then you - I'llg=t somebody you. puppy love is what I going was charge I that the to To what law? school Just guy asked looked back, I "WEll, When before in this book here delinquincy of kill what so a Ithought they picked the puppy I you love consider that up. I a kill said, crime- know been that I and everything. Andyour duties t me 0 Well, it He trouble you from Idaho And I But Istarted told - picked you up remembering, them he they gotit oh says, a - in the to That's year Pocatello, that - Once intend was story, AndI said, there written in the contributing here, youwere private a twice. Ihad rot been drunk and says and chcked He know of. anotherone think. I trouble with in me citizenship my they took in youbeen Give for 6 months, States. one, came don't remember molesting any kids. Andthen had. to young go I Now, a them out. getitng You ever not wasn't ehere.Itoldhim. cam Ihavethat to it meant. theycaught ago, no, minor." I and anybody Iwas become I how I me too that Through citizen. a them which way checked They Iwas later. citisen. a the UnitE,d about think, you That's love. become to tell for that. hmmm. for drunk with intent or them. knew. I Ihad to book, you're righHave you the to had I real snot few years a become to thought to else. This is girl, told I the wholebit everything room. So They I went learn tim. States just told them papers, that Well, more. no you it. This i wanted to. along United the pers. I I had with dikdn't have citizen for they see That' See. call to pick somebody else. The hellwith go else! tell you. to want yers I didn't and OHI Manuel 1-28-85 GaEcia sl:12 That's in my record. after. yeasr got mad with my wife. beat I couple her the of out slaps. I LK Bfause of her MG Thenext firend he's a and the was, wife a blacken in guns liable to me there. get a of mine. cops stuff like that I drunk with intent up said. she got therein and all Backstedt Sheriff out. me the Andhe called totalk went • inthe county, that. yeah I'm said sober. you make t.p with your wife." says, well wants me I said. But you was Iwas get ideas LK Instances MG I I once dinner. That crazy." kill. ok. I Just a - ah We is to this. was a case was a city, by me him. We anme, He on wayI thatFaper said, Hey dependson her." it you've You and hugged Hey yah Manuel" are "I fi let you out, will Will you be nice ina while. music played He to make up with you and don't know if the says, "well, you jail. her." been drunk. lick the world. can WOh, was. loved ever to me and You can the wife each other."I'ro sorry there- that I had honey. intention - fellow you around. don'tknow why they say that like He said, wants of biggestn. That's and had went to get yourout Yea. lick the I she's hEre and to shoot me." and gun don't know if you knew Backstedt I over group, sober? said, "He's She ________ you a like, -- Ihad law. think I got why they picked - I as I charge. shot big beat she went and day, good forhis e cam drunk As time. one little bit. a drunk that he's becuase of what kil here. one her never Andmad and that's why I And of she called But eyes. somean. to shit This drunk this - why they've got That's the only record I know of. to be on the paper likethat. I Becuase thatin my record didn't think - .here mH18MB5ual:arcia OHI Manuel Garcia 1-28-85 s1:13 -justbecuase they said it my wife told her when maybe - you And. anybodycan You don't LK In do mean -- do intent an Excuse that, you know. In real anger, of what if said. I of madness. can you say alot of things if somebody got you do. she said I kill .. What becuase to told I [laughs] me moment a becuase I'm goig drunk- Iwas You know. kill. to that's all against your witness. Just bitch. a would or Yeah, but a it of moment a d't MG of son you, was , tohave happene that, they'd put i'll kill you. a me attack anddied? heart the in Becuase pen. I You know. Well. LK But you MG Oh yeah. LK At taht MG Oh yeah. LK got your papers anyway? Oh yea. time. going It's hard to You take NO, Igot it through my parents. test. a it My parens got MG after after It's hard. got books go For to an go and Didyou go We -t 0 to an ask. South about High. every On State - hour and ahalf. I Street. think it When to we allmy questions. school to the Of to citizen. a together. cousred, they've school. About was be time. same studied it We they answered at study. It's justlike going there hour, got it Igot it with them. It's hard The questions from here Used - .•.• school once graduated, I used to 17--18 South. a we week. had a big OHI Manuel Garcia 1-28-85 s1:14 party. And doing a my theygot -- for set that Ah, some an And the of a I prgoram. school, we just - there you know things semester and like then we 10 justlike num-ers. regular a And wentone - for Not only But for the whole classes. hula girl. I had some So With day to duet. a the last do. How to night show Tht -- I singers. and him got Me knew how I we more a hula and played guitar. had about that. had We the that's my business anyway. And so, 3 different or the hula. She danced Mexican .Youknow. have to Tongans. And Tongans there dance girl. committe schooling. classes some and songs And there's the going. Theyhad 2 was Hawaiin entertainment as different are got paper and I got sing me night of thelast there - groom school we to the was for the end of swearing, act, our you know. end side two begin side three LK Why did MG I you want don't know. I to just know what Mexico do - it ••• felt thatI'd been here all my life. Youweren't thinking about goingback MG I wasn't thinking They're LK But an are now. or becuase my mother and anything All my family Americancitizen. Mybrothers is herein That wasn't back then. like that. father diedhere. married and had kids here. buried here. that's don't looks like. L.K All my kids I thats dead. Salt Lake. When did you become ORI Manuel Garcia 1-28-85 sl:15 MG Oh, it's only been about five years LK You MG Yeah. only became I've been here as alien. an ago. citizen 5 american an used I ago?? years sign to card a every Janaury. LK That's MG Yeah, but E wasn't tough. filled you time Manuel long a thatpeper resdient here had I a case wouldhave jail Even LK I see - like reported a was year, you were Good nrcottics me family Harne. if me in You're OK. long as - a They neverbothered they had like gotten that, you. me thenthey jail. Theywouldn't put They would have deported citizen. a all my legalized something or wput - me position. me in me. here. you're saying. what Sofiveyers [the Yeah. LK That's why you really had MG Yeah. LK I Sure. to We-I, it's along understand. it I thought. NO, only 5 years ago at LK HOw come youited MG Never about hat it. think abcut what was so hard time. happened 45-50-60 years ago. didn't think this happened happened along MG thought I it instances] two MG thingsup. That's why these they brought ago for yotro remember thought a inthat It - steady job. I was't had thoughtI once handling becuase Imean, would have hothered Theonly way they in that youwere time ago a few years ago-- .. the most. long. Howcome Really. -- it Ah. enjoying life. Youve' got everythingyou didn't matter Wbenyou you want. Not before. are high working, you're class stuff. ORI Manuel 1-28-85 Garcia s1:16 But you 'r that. Til hadno I To intention of moving as was I So why should LK So suddenly MG I - felt you like - Mexico, only for maybe And of the - I MG I'll stick up for your heart mean Dad wereMexican belong still is so - they got allmy are love And I accomplished something by the United understand I MG But f think you your it. S.ates is in Mexico. I'm Mexican. in time. some But way. being -- hate your to My mother and andsisters are Ilove Mexico. I've been here all my life. becuase it. citizen, a country. kids and brothers don'tknow if you I Youknow, not. alking about Mexico, You are. I'll say, ounctyr. hey, Say this if you don't foreigner, some United hey, I'd say, hey, why don't this is say, hey know, i'llstick up for it. tell me, icyouthink as •• hear you I Staes. or This fro -mymther and DAd. corne I taht consider But Alive and buried. Still. there And LK I wouldn't here. Mexcian any a that you've becuase understand visit. I've got myproperty hre. go? well, You feel doesn't a the head. it's like there,you know. what city, in felt.. LK Mexicans to "m still in Mexico. Thehouse. it going born. hits you it sudden, Ld ke. thigns a said, allmy family's here. I t l.Lnk abou t of a evenwt Justlike you don't life, 11 finally, -- where I see far with your happy no a Statesis you good. like or -- shit. who know. What the United don't you go somebody I' - to would would comeback to wherever you You the christ Same with it, why dago the -- I mean, c orne is I from stick up for · ORI Manuel 1-28-85 Garcia s1:17 the United kids My becuase becuasei'm Staes here. are They dad mymotherand You understand that I MG Sure. still ove still I MG Yeah. hadno Me- in schooling English there find in •.. in United of was for Mexico born in Mexico. too. States You You've got proabbly folks. your all. at I and write reed in than Ican Spanish have - - learned my I read can English in Like Blanca? Row wh Lt e jou know. if We'll say too. Spansh-,so I'll say doyou say You haveto that way LK I MG And they know what LK Yeah, MG That's the way it is. to I'm talking we -- to in it say My house is say and write ah - And let's Oh, white. Youknow! put word my parents in think that see the same -- way. continue . Myhouse every time. body's The way can then .••.. every talk in - Spanish. U'm saying. I the That you're saying. know what my Spanish and can't in English. - Inever rather them in Mexican a I Spanish through blanca? one see, in Mexican. sentence a But infact, - somebody, Id' in Mexican -- well. as Spanish. comversstion with a sometimes, Spanish. they that languages just Iwoulmn Mexica the word speak I somewords I don'teven know how to now undestand and too. better And to than are talk we Dad. But Spanish. of some citizen a know both I English mother and feel i thelanguage Yeah. n Lk can fromMexico stick I Qnd there. out love were country-becuaseof your ancestors LK are you born here. aprt. understand very well. LK i'vemade my livi-g here. citizen. a were is ORI Manuel Garcia 1-28-85 s2--!18 .J Well,what didyou LK .. when Ifirst know if to MG Why. LK Why MG I and came this I wasdoig was that A person and theythinkthey're better claimed gamble. don't go CAthlic chruch. I don't go every Sunday like And him andhs wife. talk I - seenthem out My chruch don't deprive to try here my house ddamn god It to tellme that ]Laughs] takes my good some Mormon - know that - I not a excuse taht becuase know care. I'm preach to me Mormon. - I are they than things .. is drinking And me. beer Mormons. I'm - bad, then I think if I they're you're a I mean. every goes And when then in just don't the best. You Mormon not or in over the Neveada, gambling. all. NOt they beycome them out out --- I've Catholic. a and -- see Or joint. But By born. Catholic at heart. a from the Mormons dont' that brother then know what you drinking, smoking and my mind away friends chruch. of smoking to - a and swear theythinkthey're gods. worse me - still, +'m and --doing worse do they I'm Catholic. Catholics. I've got - andfuey Mormon a and Mormons good were smoke they ButI But Mormons to project. dislike wouldbe do I they than the I Sunday- Mormon a you wanted = that. me shitty. They are you askedme topu, don't dislike the Mormon church. hypocrit. LK talked project did you ask know. to want I got don't go for the •• I don't OHI Manuel Garcia 1-28-85 s1-":19 J MG But LK I MG thechurch you know what know what Tht I when don't •. kids, I forced was used we to Church. only used I rhough mymotehr, .... the - idon't go for that. know. shcool. Cathloic. a Saints Day CAtholic to as were ••. recognized,you communion to You LK we say say the Latter Iwent - raised was go of should be See, I they - they be to to church to go And paretns. my altar an --what is that? Weused to follow all boy. - used we - to ah, during Lent. eat. Fast. MG fast. Yeah, , !d We weren't a • church, being to go For supposed to altar an pieceof candy. Maybeiwas he son. of ff just that f.romthe come Dad, he says, Let's have I Fine, together I said, have son "-- the is on H a other sons the door. esaid, door wide "Can "Mr Garcia, open. the shit how a Isaid, he "Com says, out of em that's themly thing, -- The I fell He whiskey. home glasses you." "Yes. i tn." He have my that sai, it Set just right here. safe. family here these - Fine. "I didn't Theycome in. My "Comeon in and have hijm. eat now. are talk." I said, we outpokehillYeah," us." That scared take We while, we'd my brother's - littlebit. a one coming me rules. 50 years old son. of rottle a had I Mormon. a drink of a my in But too. My oldest my. Thebottle here. here. gusy knock But glad. was were He had day. one hypocrit a He's 51 years old. buidling. taht oh, we'd cheat -- candy. Maybemce eat that's why Iaskeou if you o boy the "Well, a it drink with seems like ORI Manuel 1-28-85 Garcia sl :20 got company, Mr Garcia, we'll seeyousome other you've LK Were-they MG Yeah. Well, at for Iplayed everybody. Mormon churches, I played even line. Sure, they offer you good money. We was repute." go. That's Becuase music Wherever for Mormon for houses of they hire us, true. believe you. I done xou l dhave be at to ItWls in - beer Rod the same. Sockman's Rotel in Elko Wells, Wagon Wheel is d play to my I MG that. is we LK like things missionaries. used I dances. "ill little of Becuase time." no It's but this one They We'd across the was played. track. three sitting down taking you have a do you got drink." Yeah. to intermission. go The Marna -- you sit They buy play us comes the the music. down. We us a was a some we get girls from tey sit down having abreak. They said, "Do They say,"What drink. few minutes. When had three beautiful intermission. an a Here and liked They play again." "Will Anyway, we joinyou. Sure, We it down. tore particular night, get The •• night. Well,we and we is me over can happened there girls. Theycome say, Just Wagon Wheel Motel. But the A through about 2-3 oclock inthe morning. the house - Youknow where Wells hotel. a gone. the manager. was morenights, more. at i'll take it back. No, -- Wheels. Wagon Theclub is joint. Knight the at working We only couple of tunes?" had time 1-15 minutes Sure. They ORI Manuel Garcia 1-28-85 s:2l j us twenty dollars apiece. Ah. us gave to over go totheir whore house The -- don't know any fancy wordslTheysaid, we I'll guarantee you there over three at got LK My God. That's morethan Wouldyou MG Yeah. make used that thaton OK.when got we through got we tracks, only hour ten is time - we couple a had $150 about each sip alittlebit. our bossl all night long. the business there- go With men from We Rob with my to other know, they're flashing Giving you 20-30 dollars each. drink Then enough for to me. say, Not they buy to But pretty good. Knight used play you them. to never dame, a the money. We made hire you play. Orany thorugh club tips. nothing syou want. I night to get They've got .. r4rink here. the a/I in thE Tips. fiveor with We Well, on were - LK money made we there, guys there We good money." make come pocket. our the agut I "Why don't you boys morning. crossed we fromthe club. MG and When . of blocks Or oclockinthe wanted They us. I'll be plain get through playig here,we'll play up there. playing in you'll three of to even we "Hey go establishment herein contrac6t you can contract got hell. We couldhave got fined too had you over town. where you all fue get drunk. You a littleproblem guys can't do that to whore house a When you ever get you want." from tte Union. See, we're OHI Manuel 1-28-85 Garcia s: 22 ! all well Well, we that after workinghours, we someplace - -why can't According end side begin else. done already tought. We hours our Well we there, can't. tothe uunion, we can't do that-But but We have an intermissioneveryhour, fifteen did. we four Dances. •.. brother and So me, my We had our a go we didn't know that We 3 side •. didn't know that. union. the other smoke -you can't smoke inthe church Andwhen see you guys Mormons of - the doing them. But few of a them. ." that' Well, the Mormon not tobe trying That's the was But out of seen LK Mormon? MG Mormon. that. once in a church thing that -- broke like theguitar ina mission up the state. in I You know. don't say all I that over guy individuals. say, They're sister-in-law. a her head don't there ah, have against the -- i'v got on - I I drink and when bottle. a I - toldyou about know where. really ANdshe's themost fanatic dame that I've life. in my Yeah. like I one She ever sane __ . look at and have own ________ "Hey, little bit. did We your Just something they'renot. that. - shining thing. same of a car ground. you'rehaving the see youmn do drink we We'd go outside infue bottle. own boy- minutes. you knew Oh, Andthen while. - long She used that. before my mother to come there. You used We-- I know, things tohave parties was married to my OHI Manuel Garcia 1-28-85 s4:23 wife, her sister. Like she knew how. good now, back of She used shot. are it face. a all me same I MG Well, understand what with us. comes us. You'restill the sudden. a into used they Screend live with to Salt Lake and to One porch. book that had positions of 21 sex. her tc but bunch of a suitcase? I out with her. just - In came to the on it! time All From from and porch. looking Ifound alittle learn the Ah, the a positions Mormon You know what thatI moved room a strated the book. that book. see I suitcase, a them the back in and You nameit. positions. Icouldn't allaway said it sleep to lend I They divorced I I toldher about girl mean. it. said, you god damn Mormons, you'renothing hypocrites. What about that book you had in your said, I admit I had that book but I found it. She And it face.I Right - you know-werejn know-maybe Hypocrites. And know what. positions 21 were her Dad. house. big a BEfore . Her and us. She used day, they book likethat, a ihad stay there. sometr..ing, Idon't thatI about talking Logan to she of mixed with what kind you're saing. wife, she used for And you person. LK my Straight liquor, _________ don't meanthatyougot better all of It booze hound. a - that mission. kind with tomingle like liquor on gees gets You used you. pulled then she like bat, acting dame Nevereven And drink to thking, put not and I didn't it in my suitcase. like her becuase Oh. I had it she __ You know what NOw, the reason imean. I Anything that I could find giveher. don't liktMormons Thatisn't becuse of rer - just OHI Manuel Garcia 1-28-85 s4:24 her per.eonlally - her. - whothinkthey'rebetter Mormons than we But are. I don't like - It'snot everybody thatI disklike. LK I MG Just LK But MG The church LK MG .. understand really hte Mormon think '--- •• they tell you church there And to alot were teach you I different - teaches like a Catholic-- But when I used Well. LK I wanted MG Yousaid you wanted I to am. to go wrong. church allthe the Mormons. than talkabout your to wrong. We're taught too. We to time. never Our talk neighbors just think the Mormon .1 I don't thinkthey It's just that you don't interpret it Catholic. kill The - it It's the say thing, MG know most a youthe right thing thou shall not people. Used thebest learned when Iwas I mean, was- something something right. It's Thta's 1- waht not church itself things the Mormon churchis it' - because he done kill I mean Theysay learn Cathechism. - about - And is. d ont' I learnings LK does church it's thebest church. Yea, go whatyou're saying. the person same thing. tellsyou see. So -- He could be doing but how many Catholics just therson itself. too. of true. to talk about my it, anyway. job, my work. You already OHI Manuel Garcia 1-28-85 s4:25 MG I've been - I about toldyou kids MG diapers. a dollar and a lot K As I Can I of a to usd go me All my becuaseI'm lazy when I started And a even dime, a if the mines, dollar and then, because I made You know what I mean. a nickle, I kids. had to Which I dime a two or make to yaad. bits. go wash dishes I to. living, especially a felt I kids, nevermd clean your I I've neverbeenout of work said, My Can r- responsbile for support my kids, to had always up in the cold weather the hills. in I worked the1evels. On my I pretty good in up Before not Bingham Mine, they had depot. the tracks? laying MG Yeah,the tracks. what give to Except when Iworked for the sections. That's LK But half. a doo next likeI life, good job. You'reout the shock a - akid. "Can I wash your say, days -pay abig a"..:TWas neighbors having you know. notin me I've always managed - wouldhave done ±. jobs, Theypaid dollar, dollar and the to give to Whatever. kids. neighbors was clothes." Theyused some andthat I getter-Since go kid, yeah. used The a the to go iron. to A money. I ironyou half. a I'vebeen life that. handkerchiefs me L all my just because I I mean. fo ryers. ended up it was a hard, Ididn't kindof - I Cold. Hard. job. I Cold. didn't care1You know Smelters I worked just wanted apb. A different as It's cold. Track work. started as a laborer and Larrycar controller. electric It;s an Salt Lake, years ago. car. Like an Trolly old cars. -- Weused It's a tohave little them here car,hgt in ORI Manuel Garcia 1-28-85 s4:26 maybe 5 It'sgot ton. forward.It would • used work to feet in diameter. bar like- put They don't keep And the holes the product Yes, also MG Yes. Once a to get SOl that's they it, Thecomefromone on top of LK Furnaces. MG Furances 1 the and cars You open .. tolet air is inside. You've got there. in To the keep there killevrybody there. Youknow. as rails are they've built theycallit. , block a length fo'r nt.he -- and 10-12 feet I would high. larry [electric?] them up and - the car s , back come •• got holeinthere a like furnace the heat of get plugged, Re- big as converters the goes probably. temperature, a funnel = - on the handle and allfue dust pours fallsinto about - Tht's copper in side of there. department. Theyload are High the crust the holes. plug time. - in Dust melts LK breaks about 200 feet wide and about were Andon top of to those holes explode job. It's a the let Another.Them furnaces say crust them holes you've would probably es. inthere andit ore punches. So, the proper keep if got here. room • See. going. to this as they've hole in for big furnac the or It's Earrycars tracks. at man reverse thenit's gotholeslike that. And you got open all reason -- LK tht want punch a as But around and around and a as toculd go I din-dinglegingle"on go got abig furnace, They 12 1 like motor a •.• and your hoppeFs thebottom with into the a - your handle. reverse. ORI Manuel Garcia 1-28-85 s4:27 MG Yeah. LK u MG Yeah. And the furnace makes it's - wet. . It's like duest, the separates holes it like ditches - out and copper runs trhough there. runs trhough that kind LK The copper Yea. LK Yeah. MG they To fill another them them up the to three- the two converters hIes here and Comes lifts it it up that on - and hole and Til you get another- of funnel. big pots? tight. thec the side and rane in one the back and it tips it And the back. nobody of it. into they take they've - tbeyre good grabs they got big open they pick themup. cranes, the cranemen, , tap you big pot. Big over and it - this they a then Metal this way. pots they got like that, some Then from the copper somehow. lag coming furnace and the goes into comeing them MG it. And red hot red water like water, looks It through call they the it. see Butit's hot dust. out. it can you See, when you put it inthis dust, - And E got And they touches gets there. LK Pours MG Yeah, and then in this other department that it puts it into, it's more LK Stthis MG Yeah. it onto is pure a See. punification Andnthen up with copper. they got the handle. process. a hole in And it there comes also - theykeep into blocks like on that opening -- like OHI Manuel Garcia 1-28-85 s4:28 box. a up and it goes like down, into times. They blocks of About cool They're already two themout I MG Yeah, I worked LK That's MG Before I thought was I was I worked just a young, LK You a According I or was looked t bigger. 1heycatching so it times, many catch them and - Stacking cars. them up them up. railroad then. But , the I worked railroad, then. Damn if Bingham, to I it, they didn't something. youcould go I was just a kid. 16 years old. they gt and Garfield at was Smelter. But [= I wanted a short. aid job. say,hey, where'syour take the work. I record, I'd be my look strong. You See. I about cheated beucase wellbuilt. like the I musthave been old. time, certificate t-e •.•• for working youngpup 85 years guys, here the railroad of (e 3 worked all - that over guys LLcove r a ou 21. at the were you like about And and each or •.. around goes 2 goes alittle bit bout a __ After it - thick, about that long. So them to wherever LK is copper - wheel truck into Transporting - done Then it steaming. that about goes So, when it goes down They wiegh 500 pounds, pound pieceof the machine. - throws a 500 out It merry-go-round. a pounds. They'r 500 that wide. A little Comes They're copper. LK know. off. it like You this. the water. MG here itup. andit's fills It I But guess, I was when I birth was well built. I] ORI Manuel Garcia 1-28-85 s4:29 MG they said, you're Yeah, And then Garfield And I worked for the on. I to the railroad wasin See. 1937. in Yond work for MG Yeah. Yeah. the And 1941 Worked in beet kinds of farming, working. only They've side got last 29. time that on I came until now. the D&RG. For And time. from 41 established Iused maybe ahalf up a to fields, or pea then For short times. go fields, On-ions, If - the I - knew onions. on farms onthe - - 8 months - somebod-y potatoe fields, or topped on back. girls 6 months - - come chase go year girls, yeah. Youknow, all Justlike thepea fields, I say, there's There's oh maybe 20 families. family. one the - 1928 and Isaid, going not - I I'd get crazy quit railroad. tobe withthe then short a Garfield. to seniority. no Justlike in between. for while andthenleave and a and went quit Bingham I worked didn't make I LK at around. jumped I - that's That's it. And Saltair Railroad so I worked end also hired. field. a four five begin side LK Thefamilies. MG Theyall And line up thenin the like that. morning, they all of LK Like 2 MF Yeah. Youcan go got basket dragging here a - feet are so their at start the own cars and time. same trucks. They far apart. rows peas Theyal1bring apart. fromhere inbetween -- big -- andpick with you. clusters A peas big out - from both sides. something from here. - you You pick peas And when you get your OHI Manuel 1-28-85 Garcia s30 basketful, you get a truck big there waiting they got your number 20 LK They weigh it. MG They weigh it. - just keep you Thee'dbe girl a used We poounds. over fast, leaving the old peoplebehind. love, you know fun work - LK Soundspretty good MG I say, for a - goin overalls, Catholic You had room a full of They even nothing. Fife. bunchof we us. - couldn't buy Catholic The Dress er oh, hell, people Mr. steal that on picking kiss, make a .• Fife hard. was Dad. here over to got go it My Dad the DRG to school. allow us was and used go teo it. name Pillows -- than this bigger he used stuff to to good while, not but nothing 50-some odd - We in always Iwent overalls. didn't have them but they We paints. shoes, you .We a was at school did't was in once pair of pants. Until no a didn't like it, I Knights of Columbus, herein had matresses. FIFE. kids us shirts, pants, Poor See, wantedmoney. And He worked man. school. them to gave help have pants. ot got it sure. my Mom and railroad And work, to I would a to side and satisfactory. Maybe that's I time, years. Just work becuase allthe poor See, •.. had I to [laughs] life has been my it. had I loading. I'd be in the middle. And we'd really go fast, peas but --there's to over get togehter with these this on and word on to side must it .•• So many pretty girls. You mke number. a a They for store give us Salt - Lake, they with had people shelves everything. that didn't have here, with the new pants. name Because OHI Manuel Garcia 1-28-85 s4:31 he was Good a Infact, the street us tickets us a live at to There car. tickets everything. Well, my Dad the street we - So earning man Theygave that to all the You school, that had Yeah, the dress code. MG Yeah. being of becuase afraid Yeah. too they'll get -- Mother, she all things to that law in pants. paying I no they No of way - said, that a we and doing they had that. Theyusedto see. had of just was write--pencils :icans. to give to They'd give Like it. the catch advantage do it. had in overalls. rich---they thinkthatbeing an in Salt they got things that LK be to amillionaire is millionares a to - [interruption] tohave Millionares want was dress to LK Had it know, used theyused took we didn'thave that we us papers I'm talking about what they did Mexicans Instead of deserve money. gebooks, us were tome. us, car. indeed did to there, We And then. theymd --or there South. 5th buses no And everybody. to My Dad, he couldn't buy Bouae wife. tohave. it Youknow. so theonly was do were for fornothing. -- Catholic. a 4th West tothe MExicans book of money was they ddn't that werepoor. Iused He man. that easy Lake during much moeny. killed - life. do for it. happen. rich and Becuasei'v played for alct my life. theycan't And take they suffered, care of it. They're Ah, there's alot of little OHI Manuel Garcia 1-28-85 s5:32 MG I you think tell you to with they I'd be ok better off. the ah - there, you wouldbe wouldn't like tobe I - i'd like just enough money truth. withOMcrificing anybody, asking nobody well, cofmortable, you know what LK Have what MG NOt you have to dolalrs. millions of dollarsin and bank, the thatnoney. Theydon't even donate No,tht's why it. than that bills. allmy I am.I toldyou the - When I to got interest. it I better mean, itself interest - I'd never to live not using do they people wanted in money or by happy. Nevada, and brought 2 that's they -- What the poor to myself -- .I've got enough money that's clear money. dollars, I they've got Iknow guys use anything ;ike pay the back. even tobe any better I of A lot a they can't live with and thatneeds Andlive nothing. mean. in tehre money&ackewp of do with get well, need. Millions can I for millionare a to 300 or body else's any money. LK Youwere to MG know saying that last yu'renot That's right. - to me paid for. bum, it was you're that They'd -- which is my life. I thatit imporant foryou suffered wants I'm happy.I've gotmy - for people to help- know and they probably go up there.ldon't know you'll probably I it would - but doingit. - ok. know history. Somebody I'm in thatbook. howyou're goingtowrite part of a time, That's what I said about that rook you're writing know that to m I worked my tell the best ass property. to do It's this [laughs] OHI Manuel Garcia 1-28-85 s5:33 It didn't it wasn't handed - See, like I say. stand tha I Iwork I walked - work. go to there's no hot water. basement which like too It could. only of helped them, I wish them to the tenth the cop - player a of he Just I time you educate inthe graduated High ever army. of one It's really smooth and mellow. I of side I got the that music family - family,they couldn't kid - THats MG My mother used first me. I teacher to in loud. taught you well. MG She taught me of my aunts how was a whistle even to themthebest way This a He's a Clear. a I she girl, one one singer too. heard. ever voice. a Andhe plays good usician. On my Dad's side of the tune. time withit. guitar. She suffered I - Andmy mother's:.:: allmusicans. were and play guitar LK crawl to sing. He's got through mymother. they have ahard LK times, get under the to thebest you guitar--he's aprofessional.Good. he's good. And of grade. And i've got twoboys that that - miles I'm happy that fromschool. graduated hear some had - family, my lot high enough a under- winter that's the way - But a frozeI are musician; He's a - Comehome, -- did. produce me all NOt went He's It's think I -- did. thepipes Kids don't cold, coldest the through snake, you know. a only knows--My basement. no was was't donated ornothing. It me. Walk home. to away to God -- And start. mandolin accordian. And she was my - She gave palyerl I me a start. My aunt had another aunt -- -- the one harp. OHI Manuel 1-28-85 Garcia s5:34 The Soundslike apiano then 1- let's had another brother. I it kept professional LK see,I thinkI - harps - But now. i up. life. He quit. theonly was one ••• one of my brothers. it gave in the bass playing start up. It's I fiddle. too that went myfamily the music. Important thing youvere saying before, your know, play like you theonly was My oldest brother theone_!_£lay for him. them old .. And That's of One harp player. And that be to tome seems you satisfied with were big thing a to be able to say. MG is It I big thing. a never intended -- The way I'm We property. got be shop She - me the 2 never When I It's paid for. I nice at me. 3 hours, or turned used up after jot- t aa l.e to me go to i We family. else What work. down on mean. I come dinners. done. a If worked things I got person want? It's - Iget mad Now, there must as far as at her or if in, she's got sinner. No matter bw mad up and makes my she is. lunch. My breakfast's there rightcn , Soundslikeyou've way. "Oh bullshit." I go into my work, she gets everything's can don't fight. a Not money. for 47-48 years. I in We're together. That's richness. justsay, to think I'm rich I - Youknow what concerned. gets mad she a eachother. forthat. reason a got rich. wife that's been withme a fightingis LK I always helping my I rich, tobe out with each other. Wakes OHI Manuel Garcia 1-28-85 s5:35 MG Yeah, did we thebest LK WEll, MG They're dirty people tobe hired are peons. Atone like peons, when time we consider us about millionares. she got mad just kidding!" damn want it. my And around Isaid, and "Well, of look come on home. been even they're drking - and don't allow it. when I invite a somebody the way here. I know who Idon't invite anybody justbecuase know me. I don't No, i've got to the have - to know their a guy I so they - ass. the house, Jones is from, come and we left not I didn't raised like party-- they'rdrunk and they fall down, either. brought was act. like Mr. New Years -- After here. I of Thelady said, "we're I they don't get drunk That's sisters's my instruements promised. fightin I'm talking us. said, keep that money. I becuase it. say own where lady, that." We had parties in this house here there hasn't to "Well, this. packedour thatwas him. slapped way." -- feeling starts We placeand the pay he guy, - somebody that's righ. We're They thinkfuey see. sister becuase don't kid that that One turned at •• used We party and don'tknow how I - this to went we - work for We're just working for them, And my sister sister a And dance. withme. sing to had I money. country club £or millionare parties, big Ah. They don't they've got becuase She used this by there. homesup I formillionares ••• Well, still have. we I'veplayed - U'm tellingyou and we It's could. we That's the way, up. are. I Hi, Manuel. know how I they know you you background alittlebit. come over here and molest yor wife •• OHI Manuel Garcia 1-28-85 s:36 We We alljoin together. if But I see let's go. LK Youtake MG Yeah. LK That's MG Yea, We care a of falling down. But just K He had MG It the bit, I say, A guy pissed -- all. on his pants, Sohis wife deals you know. Minor sent [laughs] Yeah, New Yers. idea that at I think him out he - was inthe Guy so car. other than that. Tht's it--He did't molest nobody. again. •. just got alittle too drunk. iliooked too bad forme. also, all thepeople I used toinvite And were different nationalities. they were •• I had eveyrthing. Negros. Everybody having Listen M You'r welcome LK I MG How else ••• wanted a like Greeks, United rell of I a didn't I care nationality-- thinkItolou, Italians, NationslParty good what - I called time. ••• to thank you fur can apperson be? being honest and talking and it, you know. Thank you. LK end liltle •• neverinvited him I But hell as a each other. drunk, he couldn't walk. Cold me That's fine. don't do thatlAnd all my friends knew that. haven'thad probelms we each other's wives. behind messing arond, guy good ting a dance with with me.