Elzy J. Bird, Salt Lake City, Utah : an interview by Everett L. Cooley

Transcript (80 pages) of interview by Everett Cooley with Elzy J. Bird. This interview is no. 329 in the Everett L. Cooley Oral History Project, and tape nos. U-1368 and U-1369

Bird (b. 1911), a Utah artist, discusses his genealogy and childhood in Layton, Utah. He recalls working for the art section of the WPA, serving in the Pacific theatre of operations in World War II, and his career as an artist. Interviewer: Everett Cooley

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WEA s Peoaintsh Family RESUMEINSE Tt &8 and: MR or Books™a fals Retirement SIS CR¥- L fn Bl Vo si ofiliisiliiife and o . i . 2 we o .0 o . . . « dahe Ue e . 56 i . 60 . e 52, . e 62 65 TODAYSSTSEETUESDAY S JUNE: 25, © 1991. THIS IS OUR FIRST INTERVIEW WITH ELZY J. BIRD, ARTIST AND DRAFTSMAN FOR ARCHITECTURAL FIRMS, NOW RETIRED. THIS IS PART OF THE COOLEY ORAL HISTORY PROGRAM, AND WE ARE RECORDING IN THE MARRIOTT LIBRARY. [EVERETT COOLEY IS THE INTERVIEWER. TAPE #1.] EC: BB EC: Let's begin shall T2 today All right with Bill, you--I'll have you tell us the one book that From that you worked autobiography, background, I and beginnings, what it was call yow Well, in let's was born in two years which Bill, and raised in were born. you a my father, Salt Lake to James man. thing did a of Brigham Young. Had that to work temple, the Let me interrupt and her family was Charles did work all become on the tabernacle just comes Bird, the who have a your family, M. a type moment. My from Murray. Now on the a and mill man, saws maker. a and He the thing. wife her is a Bird, grandfather woodworker, organ He here buildings, of in Bird. came cabinet Mormon youth, community who was an farm your Bird, was of about a tabernacle familiar paraphernalia, that your sort Joseph He early also most rural another and about Farm, little with whole in a am you start the lot us I 0l1d origins being after woodworking The something that tell your like period on, know so your the EC: having Yesi background. EB: by and so and he on. Is ELZY J. BIRD #1 there some Charles They relationship Bird were that you between are aware James Bird and of? brothers. Tstthatsright? Yes. There his brother Brigham a and soon after the wife and boy. do Charles What not one of or Provo, 3, little grocery East and story much a from lot Idaho who of of this that I a he around to the went down south, early My life--I father store, a Avenue, store. that mom and and I When early for department age, I the around, a while store fifth yofing people, and around Springville, my grandfather's born that pop was was wife, excommunicated those was at fifth families? of was after world. other track and grandfather the was the lost think of son, years took his have I worked product and trip maneuvering and owned a 1911. Yale My grandfather and April 1849. my Birds My two that church, in his Utah the happened son. to am on oldest came I know. the who them--James, came Mormon went of They polygamist. from I three settled. was Oh were in time born early with there. on in don't stuff. my my Lake on operated store six--I and Salt father aunt a Eleventh the upper remember There was went and to uncle ELZY J. BIRD Where In #1 in Idaho was Pocatello. farm, in where And east confluence this? soon after, in The farm Layton. of the mountain the Hill There, I went school at Layton, so one brother Edward, Oh I Field 1917, we was road bought almost which is now this at the 89, and joins. yes. had years the old, old half through my house brothers, father's and my She the farm. as o0ld My born came in from Marysville, Utah. housekeeper, hired orphan My boys. was a My at the on when born. I was She my mother, 1896. was family that had mother was my take care her, and in elder from born name married born two Her to farm. twelve was were father public the There as first father at years later Bettie on was eight and marriage. mother grades spent almost first Beutler. I sister rock eight my in 1866, was Fanny settled in father's of that the is the beginning. EC: Do you in Layton? living EB: recall for what Was it your Well, there three quarters the size enough of that the you farm made was a up there comfortable family? were of eighty-five it was acres, unusable; and it I would say was scrub oak ELZY J. BIRD and #1 rocks. raised I we and so not know And I guess at the time it is EEk Your neighbors. EB: All the had a the else nice hollows where we an around the house we crop there was the main on. That butter we that were poor because probably mother had fruit made--eggs farmers. I did I was-- was, too. right. neighbors few cows, we and did were in few hens used on a everything underwear sugar a lot of and the same and boat. so on. the farm, that sort trading at We mean, they raised most long john except of the I old thing, and Farmer's ny Union Layton. Now, Layton community, the EBis our and EB: EC: up raised, everyone in then think Well mother several and EC: of had things, orchard. that We my mother was chance to going blue stockings your What time that was not religious, go to times, and one much riding thing ended or did it a Mormon turn around 1like? she where that predominantly 1life, but church suit was social was father several serge that so Church? Well, at of a church-goer. didn't we the at lived. old the another. I have But much I of a remember white horse; knees and would My my black arrive at ELZY J. BIRD #1 church put covered a call fun damper the of What on city my white my horsehair, church-going boys, the town and too, boys, that kind because made of what more I or less to the mean the getup. did Social with you do for social activities activity? were confined community type mostly neighbors. I see. Everything women would for a there and was that Salt their raising or heavy crop was our social old Oldsmobile they EB: No, these EE€: Oh, our harvest come or would the and ice cream, and drive apples visiting remember, and to I friends or on, we some drive of out in, our in time? Sunday about pitch If another-- harvest for that or fellows whatever. would would thing at so the Summertime, come deal would Kaysville would quilting, everybody one I dinner. the time we would have a would lot of us. one I effort; topping life. and was I tree then experience But for particularly people relatives and a a relatives Did ice, together Lake EE: EB: get barn was a have is that take the (which was three or there buggy seven four was and no ice the for horse miles) to get quilts in the ELZY J. BIRD back of home, EEE #1 the buggy, and then mother would people that Can you to turn cook would pack the the ice a chicken come out. remember ice when cream or you in. We would freezer, something saw your come and for first mny these picture show? EB: Yes. E€: And EB: We where was would and it? have people friends, come and spend spend two show was Once a and there a in the week they benches. They Gibson," and-- YRin VEin Tin' "Rin Tin Tin" and gal would be it would end there You EB: Yes. would would a have Then movie. to they ride our So I, and the they things as age in my o0ld relatives who would return, would first Yale had picture Ward a "Tom house. screen and Mix," "Hoot movies where no’doubt. the EE Lake, Lake, my weeks. movies; such Salt boys house, had had of Salt ward from were couple weeks in come some staked the on a thriller railroad track and then and-come next started horses that of was having over the week. there social movies in Layton. occasionally life, I mean We and see we did ELZY J. BIRD not #1 have when the homes have have some square wind up Do I a pie you I acres plow, and He his let count the in know, music or would the little kids would Everybody would asleep. was it. you earned and Salt them. Lake for to I earned with and got how send of had spend him. He my Then them in my sheep paid the dog up at and every and I so I he after the dad neighbor his place. farm I could where took care dollars night, would would my a five pen and off quarter, little me trained butt a had Sunday, morning, dog we this had through Billy my We my out all give head crop. worked potatoes "You and every had I I and put out and those forty up was potato [Laughter] or come money said, it." had them corral fiddle money after he sheep I another's They that potatoes, thirty could month. I you lived they one times that. particular hauling earned ran and first a mother, has sound were like and the first of weeks my who cake, money--my two he a in some something dancing, remember twenty told or there together music, bedrooms but it? earned for or remember earned dad. of the get some music in happening, would accordion you EB: things people and bring EC: great a and have to stand at bring the ELZY J. BIRD sheep was #1 down. the So hay thing, I down four the my kinds much a derrick was the during and not remember over days mower, was bit--I and lived it of working hill from haying pay was a things of a deal. boy and for George us. I'd running dollar a I that Hill and remember of who three the day, there sort work season that Then or rake and those are about my first money. EC: You indicated include EB: No, E€'s Oh, EB: Yes, high I in When on a did the there, school in do school seats down You the they winter used full of to straw. snow was deep enough And bus. Both then the school it was last wagon that and the the the canvas rear and couple bus lot they put bells of in would a jingle warm? straw You sing and keep put to and of from to used runners, Layton, side entered We bit. did wagon. each straw. the and door. in it the that-- box. winter £ill school wagon swinging you the They'd with had wagon through In were they to elementary covered covered What to years the went school? went first you years, stopped the thing. snuggle to keep the and down warm. wagon the box whole they had the about a mile ELZY J. BIRD #1 a half and from our the In and the That istright)) what and hours, nine EB: A that long six place; walked there then a take mile and a two a took considerable heurs. in the half an then leave that miles. allow you got way coming home. school wagon with kids or a would farms on think was a Did you time, was it normal have or a buggy pile the not It now leave to get it two morning? hour would and a to take half walk the about two hours before home pretty late in order to chores. sleigh EB: had meant your the EC: we we to so-- sled, and had o'clock. And do so and you half, we meeting it¥toekiiover would a so the miles, would they mile the seven time to miles, and to house, wagon, six wagon Well, or rode go our over bus time So EC: place school half E€: from was on way. thing some general and a a bad rig we it of my some would would sort, And let dad the them experience, hardship at the to special a go I a time. at and I their I did mean, it school. interests general education, to either off an do meet neighbor's was to just days something. But was it or On in school education always liked for to at that you? draw. ELZY J. BIRD Did #1 you excel Well, do and the sort and remember calendar in other several for the of year on or colored chalks on piece I Were always you the given my ever wanted yes. But in dad me going to be Christmas of to be by your the an and me that pictures in blackboard, artist. mother, interested. I don't farmer, I was a died, that. board had members direction? very dad was was this was my that I encouragement family Yes, and knew little that--? teachers the Thanksgiving one subjects the thing, of EB: I that of and 1 el in I of had and course, to when scrounge think he encouraged, I was fifteen for the rest of them. EC: So from then on you were pretty much on you own, were you? EB: Well, left my mother the farm and to Salt Lake moved several right came of my against down wiped of out. down. the I the canyons. father in best the in 1923 rocks the father The 10 flood and and huge I the grade planting mountain, there died--by eighth because Great My my was dad's through us tumbling one after in 1925. We wiped areas. We were floods that '24 size watched boulders we had those and way, out practically of rooms came come down it would rise in ELZY J. BIRD the #1 air and them, and leave farm. the a with bit to involved repairing shop where and he he Did a welfare I to don't month whatever it wagons of years he know. In an a earn days thirty I guess to had he was from man stuff, he saw your rather farm? could more died. in the or He Dairy the laborer dollars he work they before a in harness. on day subsistence those was improvement became just Cloverleaf couple his and this I and the to who went milk, and our decided time worked make was, that with over when dad he when and My At there all moved of limbs people and remember--was trying whole the tools there to delivered basement his worked economic Well, the had you than in we Lake. that tree father out Dairy. wagons a my and Salt and strewn it stay, horse-drawn had was anyway, Cloverleaf in trees rented to grade the bring But He place eighth and whole acres. the EB: the plantable needed EE: crash work forty cash, a or but the-EC: But you EB: That is right, but we EC? Was it quite an adjustment Layton' did to not Salt have Lake the produce lived City, well? 15 to live from? okay. for or did you to move you fit in from pretty ELZY J. BIRD EB: NehlssR #1 TR daoniteikneow,» fellows in way of out my working they wanted [Chuckle] EE€: know, loved school, went very as was Now well you Did Well, I that got and activities. a paper learned IEEs What so, EB: do or E€: A EB: Yes. a to a lot you week, think I life of before going off for I five if get it. it. I school; I learned It as much a had kind to of Salt a Lake or--2 Scouts to got and teachers. moved considerably, started have was in my you you Boy and that héve "I my along. that in and that church and paper route, consecutive type school and years, of I had and I that. you not that see. A and I went involved recall it as so the talked hay," come off, most I of them, interested before from just backed I think pitching to liked change route let's cents me. First was Well, for indicated City. thing I I Some just.told always and social I me all right. out. and of was supposed restricted EB: part all me farm they I in because the any And £it tried more on don't I class it been T I made? Five cents a paper or much? Salt got Lake eight Telegram cents of was twenty that-- week? So I made--I cleared 1.2 around five or six dollars ELZY J. BIRD every week, that and time. the My #1 I west rode side, best over station, I to learned EC: I About life-- EBS think the whole 1life. What [Laughter] were of weeks, but were never any like my away that, father her but died family First West, across for started First down it was Main South to hadn't at down on and West railroad of That kid Street. the full bit. a way down and I Was W paper ;™ people moved pay hotels, is where learned on I the there. No, who I from and or--? There was Temple deadbeats couple good riding time for " thel those up that learned collllect ™ wound at about farm, pretty bicycle. South and whorehouses, was my and route Temple that and then assumed in 1927? the street had people me My They would twenty But a and the might or of a tip. people something did order I to boardinghouse o0ld a some anyway, Second to skip you were in you "a ' let give cents mother, opened for have There that. from problem honest. they First a yeoul problems. I between did' very owed together, it Catholic keep over South, say on right Girls' School. Oh And yes. we staying 13 at this place from all ELZY J. BIRD #1 walks of life, laborers, At High not Now, Cornelius West High. Yes, I came great had was my because out EC: In the church and for high while. school route more a some and or and the Boy less, and since. at when you him. It over of one stage were was there? thing fellow in teaching Did over my to years first I at you come think with He with, summer there? 14 Then I all the She prizes my friend Salisbury at West I didn't even in was and I spent have see the sports. life. there. won School. was got than I High she didn't But deal I and sports. Tooele-mines and to I out Junior me, thing, rather on started West into busy. was My at went I three at quit route. influence school. I paper good or paper much of nice my he I sort a with sort Then never lived and interest that teacher. I we junior under took all way people influence? Bancroft and the Salisbury Bessie a business to back Was his of going on. been lot is was so have under EB: I School, and a that time Scouts EC: and that West and I High. time, the ROTC good and graduated working that was teacher enjoyed my a a and couple from as I games Salisbury a and high laborer ELZY¥ T. EB: No, BERD #1 they of had it. I got hammers, BEECY You EB: Yes. it to Yes, on the my not the and bull cement board Oh, on smelter, loading had Idaho; a out 1last the was it year a how did you all building part wheelbarrows, that kind of Jjack stuff. there. of high year, ranch and were gang; and school cattle they in but Swan relative school the I spent summer. Valley, I in spent Idaho. or--? No. Well Well, one of treatments so they When I wasn't country hills, and that two tuition, at my of lot the hundred that? come to their there, out He I We had a out thing. But it muscle on me. smelter in year college. of and clothes, fifty my 15 was was and give I out I hay year, and managed lived in salt the next which of cattle them the had other most summertime, dollars, books, summer. cattle mostly Then and at Valley and the the hay of some polio, up lot ride take working put to--Swan They for was was. to had ranch would of down doctor. work time. first my the we sort worked save that a up rode and put started me to had Chinese staying and the I a wherever at attached boarders from time which our invited ranches, the get paid at I to my home. ELZY J. BIRD #1 My mother by First Avenue. would walk especially the ECS Oh EB: And a Yeah, art with and those being the cavalry, Between did got caissons the the Park same being the worst that being an doubt. were the ROTC and became I very University, Harwood. And I Young-- no my family, I sort on of three first year. cavalry and my I life here, people I I remember riding those huh? and Fort Douglas-- farm boy, ranch thing. somewhere but [Laughter] I started did I he could 16 But great I he had not in was hand, why anyway, being time. him guess like a that with I Now was at worked Paris did, out Harwood right? he a that Is*that or was horses. time and around Building artist. influence Yes T. and thing. that about that about there, the J. Street between-those And G I at Edgar history most I and with Levi western to boardinghouse program the Drag a over programs remember in moved University, the Newby, had had the class his Kim horses EB: to in into time She interested got EC: this it serious man and got to I his his encourage own last you I was about a great know his studio and student. to go to done? afford Paris and that ELZY J. BIRD type #1 of thing. The from and talk their trucks know, and all money to go more the' EC: or up about next day. "Boy of sort repeated the and they same They enough earned I you you," cut sure in other each to of college, things that year Tooele, in knives. with But could you dance it thing. second my outfit, that I to I where I had done £irst. Were there other Frazer, acquainted Well, I knew I Jack Sears, great Quorum man. of and Frazer, but Jack those were in here some with and of I art at did the that time? you become others? didn't ever study with And they Sears-- yes. encouraged remember she her studied Harwood, both instructors was with her. And other brag that to less Mabel EB: the to out area a were a go putting who guys it, about would each cut would they at boarders pipeline would they mean, I imagine. some toughest roughest, the were worked Kennecott in Oklahoma an Oklahoma, I the taken had mother My summer from line gas fourteen-inch Tooele. next Levi I the me, Young think LDS the teachers. especially with he two was church. 157 great Harwood. affection. president of the And He was Seventies I a ELZY J. BIRD He was But #1 indeed, I remember smoker He yes. in sitting those asked cigarette days, me for and a along and he bowl, and here I bowl. But I said one Levi, better his have smoking this stories. He Monument had missionary was Hon he some said. "I told So he sat on a about." Levi was one in the Hon, got in proud 18 of And and with he He ran He and that that into his said they and we do a said, out of he was how being a nice Seagull he was went a who down wine," he monument to 'Well, the is a out cousin drank Hon are very the he "Now you while how sketched that, said, some said then Stay me told don't and somebody governor, there and napkin, up instance, Utah,' there day, churchman. he 'why going governor. being sat wife and Young. "We his one being. and and a the had into with in for for cigarette. there ashtray, a cigarette But Mahonri asked sat debating me, a was his better bistro. having I put business was porch. particular run Paris, down Monument he come seagull not?' an that cigarette. in we with and Young, into the no And and friends teacher politics." was for am front I quickly that of you one, remember suggested his and bowl came had on Seagull that part why came of it. ELZY J. BIRD #1 But anyway, was able WS between to buy the myself smelter two years EERTha tE S wasEs=iights Depression. called Smith. He We above he he was he was the a little to do as the it do a to of so a right animated his going national here in Utah by of usk any’ we worked the thing; and Not That's hadl just book millions and Cecil South cartoon. resources three and dollars. more animated none as million make and out out book hired First got his an he on Jack himself make an down And get it vand s Jack, was shop station. to out ran to Rasmussen, going he with Henry weremndoing, before “the me, was including Yof hired to thing middilel and going he that book, going going and along decided I college, the fire was came pipeline, on had the He of the Sinlethe Sears Cave. based artists. that, Jack Thunder cartoon and And and only putting what trainingj, whole fired we the year bunch of us. EC: Well, or EB: was Well he no, in he animated advance was not cartoon of in his popular time with advance, at that time, it? because Disney had been-Ch, already, Oh, yeah. I see. Anyway, about 59 that time after the end of ELZ2Y J. BIRD the #1 year, that I which was would not summer have of enough 1932, money I to Sears would go on forever, so Levi Edgar Young, my old friend, married got us™ some and pushing What would EB: Oh, it you he loved sell one for? he'd Horn and to watercolor. Richards. Green was she be, hundred a get to tried less or more where 20 keep he kept @ for'®real, " and a in Richards dollars, thirty that, Lee with people, Green 1like making--maybe Merrill Lee be would something same and Harwood E€: once one sell would I on, so I she while; But was mostly. dollars, was Harwood And for had galleries her forty or Alice anyway, in produce the and his, pushing Harwood could master's her in Horn Merrill Alice with listed some paintings. out getting and Harwood with working painting started” WIf and going, M a fellowship this anyway, But dietetics. in degree to on doing got finally she work; postgraduate I going going was she time the At fellowship. and married was she and University, the at here school with us--me was Nan wife my And [Laughter] fired. to married. got we day The Fugate. bride--Nan young back got I see thing Jack my could go Cave Thunder this thought I and school, 1932, two those Paris a where 1lot of ELZY J. BIRD #1 things. But anyway, November, in coast see was and a January if hot-shot I we decided could find animator by got to go married down something. that time, I to in the thought because I I had a get did I Sears. Jack with year a after Disney. with job I for working been shortly Tshthattright? they the Depression, at you were two of in one the in "inbetweener" delightful and the was classes world--people they either renewed action. who the even odd ones, ones, so main the I So action. would thing that had finest with the knew action 2 I and I He school. and do, would a the in called an enjoyed at be great instructors all or come would I of these of odd some Twenty the series a be would there that six that drawings finished or filling mostly was there work it worked I periods; and worked I was. it way the was between of do would fill Disney of second animator months months done, had made and and drawings, drawings contract, The Disney. nine months three these animators three that and gone, for months three of end the a had we And week. a fifty of seventeen think, I making, was I and middle the in right was deal--it a had And that school, in sort the of ELZY J. BIRD #1 thing. We and spent we spent a experience than my college I was back here, were right in EC: government or EB: program? What was it coast, the a thing. We of the part started the first names prior on thing. of type you had the with involved get to criteria the were What that get that and months alphabet several PWA, was than not not did I a a--better government the time was more deepest the It left I when zoo, any six the in of and got nothing, was were there and WPA, it time that There it. of of the get not I at class. did I week, that arts, the sponsoring life a middle the sketching in If out there About Depression. time fifty About came time me. for education there. of of seventeen a to lot lot fine part a to have or do what? Well, the artists; murals and like at he helpers. in one to the of hanging They first had the part, they more or that time Lee Green at Capitol Building had Gordon Cope They did those things the cow barns and Capitol. the I things scaffolding and the up 22 around out at they Gordon very there, appointed Richards Henry then remember at up less did the they as fairgrounds brought of the rotunda, Rasmussen telling top and the the the put them me up about rotunda. these big ELZY J. BIRD #1 pieces of they used Gordon same EC: that They as I are third were guess it worked. of it. University while, we this was like that. EEs Now, is EB: Yes, she was more or less in Lund an artist? an Gordon, Paul Smith, remember those four. relief. here to the were building between of but she of the mountain, to Parley's three days a came something it up. She was order to get In so Rasmussen, and in Art set us he working once or on WPA artists, asked his course, 1935 me and wife painting say head telling pole, my Then, still there fish a are sat a with did, 23 the left it Henry For up had he we road. heads he So So a then They ledges. some She and Gordon administrator. wanted for tack down, would artist, the all survive. I Then them, remember selling was she apply my tack wall. paint. then, to Judy she started, and able and for But were WPA, I the the attached? was casting snagged the there. one balcony finally up on these surrounding they on to touch scaffolding up them tacks way still the jacket pasted would the the so after at Henry color Is and upholstery and there, EB: canvas, to she asked myself; get they Canyon we Progranm. on WPA, sent us where were out I to out they here ELZY J. BIRD #1 on the pick EoWthes They the time, Now shovel, art W program,’ right. was and paid going us and and then we ‘from! then eighty-five rate, which were 'on' dollars was a transferred lot *it" was all a month. of money That at the and-were you working on public projects? Yes. Doing--for example, what were some that you worked on? E€: Well, most things the to things hung in material, and we many or eighty some would 1like Any public institution could mostly easel paintings. It more was had where one or the artists artifacts of Now, Farm the photography the the work doing 24 also painting of a paid your handed and a it few in was murals. program. American 1lot There tax-supported work, were buy scheduled your of They Design, the early people. Administration this labor. no or small would got and Index Mormon Security You this reproduced early was building easel called the month, There the schools there sponsor less project a paintings, The that. dollars paintings. easel furnish but anything odd were schools. paintings, amount you the be were ECS of same thing, had a some lot of of the ELZY J, BIRD old artifacts. down of #1 in the one can southern books of remember Utah of the the and a so period. hurricane on, I photographers in it lamp appeared from in some think Dorothea Lang was this project, but you than rather art through them reproduce to were I photography. EB: EEs to s that it right? of things that we to country where classes and told that she on. so was no [END EC This is side two of About longer SIDE OF our 25 this the they the thing and Lund was time, needed a throughout type gallery a had they centers art these start decided doing Finally, most. the do to liked and it for paid being and work matter just was it and on, rolled project the anyway, then-- and Design American of Index the called on book a out put They originals. the right, That's Museum. Peabody big the Harvard, in are They know? you do these, happened what so And yeah. doubt, no Museums DUP The the--? them, call you do and--what things these all gathered who women Mormon the because Utah, in here well very did We program. national a was it And there Judy and-- ONE] first tape with Elzy Bird. He ELZY J. BIRD #1 is talking about during the Well, anywéy, doing a the doing above. I mean more or less an EB: She is now. Anyway, She to Judy nothing by the our was doing on. They have her art do with the nothing to art moving classes and of Fine were to convince go us before the started. Holgar on a so Arts of in Judy was and she one So and that put Cahill and in in I charge which was Washington. quite The art program paintings thing to Blood where the at enough got and Utah they and State 1locally, that time money twenty a so another, Martin he and was through get artist. there area Gail an Denver, making Governor 26 people domain, just going. and remember to art, also her national on. catering and in is was out from legislature I I than make was thing-- degree centers wanted was Judy regional who Bear more she Utah Program. ‘think usurping rolled art WPA in right? it. and Institute able own Wasmer, project get type was here Washington, Milton office, get in a master's I the had has to the to could in higher-ups--Don Anyway, we local thought regional deal a and artist think people artist married had don't had the happened--I I we she all job; and Was of years this good EC is work Depression people Denver the to we to get five ELZY J. BIRD #1 thousand dollars program, the the Thistorical deal. a quite Headquarters is and over--it was together. put Dan out, He started. had drew the plans put the thing we got and it on paint of coat a Ford A man he why, labor, WPA driving our going. of origin the labor only. called it with school. the And built They the art WPA the their built WPA the Well No. do a and could Center Arts Springville there? down EB: sent experience, With the this was and projects it a as served Model us Elks program thing get to name, his got and exhibit first Now Washington remodeling. together EC: in architectural some for anyway, was Defenbacker the But a o0ld remember I look to down governor the bringing and It old my in Building Capitol the to program, the music going. were we art needed four the the where the We Street. for space then and function, music place, this State auditorium an had also the included program. found office That program, South 59 and gallery out. records and at building, start writing headquarters, up to their building. art program. people down 27 building, But they was had had was and building, That there that nothing strictly gotten WPA they to high together ELZY J. BIRD once #1 a year; purchased Anyway had they a piece the art people their J. Bracken Now we is a had real people in their new city hall, had the Provo in one to talked and Price) into then there and four had I so and-it? did too, program teaching a We on. going, me kept It state. the had and Helper, at over We we of mayor thing. teaching, out went I town collection. established building. the going so and I Lake. and their the included it now start was in galleries to (who mayor the exhibit, Lee one putting art Salt in huge galleries, the library in was of painting, Gallery Main a program tending people had Yes. EB: Rasmussen have life classes mény programs them all. scene. and he came that going About He'd that started, theater little had back this a it time, divorce to Utah, 28 of type was hard Fausett Lynn from and keep to his I wife did not then so track of on came in a had We thing. from way And on. so and classes craft to the all were they and class, a would whoever or Smith Paul or or Cope Like artists. the Parkinson Bill or or--? teachers school mostly were they No, high or faculty, University upon draw you did teachers for And the New York even know ELZY J. #1 there was asked if--he in EC: BIRD a he about we finally about him. on of to hire and one day and Brack Lee out is of I was was--we and did did we finished had the for one are all Lynn until we were who were people get kind those not like of at going Building at the Price and in ones out school high a for the painted murals had Park the and to Richards, we and one able nuts us. people our Green Lee Malin, program, the on percent and Lynn with Lynn way Hall started how that Ware they old-timers, murals ten and the got he and people, old the were townspeople the and those did he and program, and out, went I So I do "How said, do to like would and hall," the on of In relief. University. Now, to "I program?" there, the most Kingsbury EC: talked said, He city painted that people--Fil at called originally. your on out He So Nevada, he had Price him portraits Florence he he their got murals able until there. for great did from getting go there. that lived murals some the said came people His Fausett and-- Price «Since Lynn University in Ely, of Wyoming say Nevada, Laramie. weren't Wyoming, there and were similar you 29 in programs horning in on theirs? ELZY J. EB: No, BIRD #1 we were we could And not get the anyway, he him down this of at up shotgun came the mural went had town they fired ECS What was EB: I EC: Is the EB: I think have were E€s So no Well, all the was up it's still there in of Utah? with and five at people many What the one at the w®sresident met stagecoach, and four horses president riding to subject was get him of from in on up the over, and and the to mural. Washington, do their you as near as that we did. artists would gallery bookkeepers on. I next we was day [Laughter] there, things how so students with speeches, weren't still the a hell, Martin and over The where that? mural of went their the the Gail of we with people made cause painted college. president. idea; total projects EB: we and mural with had just materials great raising we we stagecoach that and the some a and mean station everybody and the the train faculty, there, to through over the for He the and I a depicts thevcollege, We did in, Wyoming. first coming money Lynn University when horning be péople whole time. 30 bit, were the and I politics. know? I know. But involved highest in I the number? carpenters think those had and eighty- ELZY J. BIRD Who #1 otherwise Dhat WSt just rilghty, I everybody except was Well, it over there was actually over think. it the® I art® mean, Alice are smoking that it and as time? ‘was' a dgoing with downtown. her. she said, teaching use the successful Horn cigarettes, they was with competition at center Merrill competition that there unemployment ®and® success, Because had "Those our people youngsters they have models," are naked and that women sort of gallery in thing. E€: EB: At that time, the tea room She had a and later Art in at she ZCMI, gallery she While the to is no outsiders we relationship, were I that Newhouse over there these running little too? at went Utah, anyway, toes. was the ZCMI. came in and had a that she about very time, was Mrs. that. But stepped speaking she at But question still think Hotel on her all through our dim view our of program. EC: EB: Now was it its art program about Park Building. Even when gallery in I the that was top of here up Or time was that going floor 3T to of that the having much a gallery began in the later? school the University Park here, they Building. had a ELZY J. BIRD #1 Did they? And they had--I collection today, what is the That [was] the Well they held big things Canyon EE\ Yes, EB: Well, and building is they of we beginning of their exhibits in the-- the the theater? Union. exhibitions that the held west Student did the that first exhibitions York. His big, six he that did there. on WPA I think program one was of the the Barrier mural. how of guess knew come I knew at was foot eight, thing. But he to put on in New York. what out down one of your know where in and he said, the Museum at photograph Harvard, of canyons," a he that New great type, "I of and sort am of going Modern got of said, a that I panel in was all a in He and here, director Art he wanted a Modern French I Museum of was sophisticated show Peabody there D'Harnencourt. Indian have it Museum René came an about the name exactly about? Art from the pictographs "It's Barrier Canyon." EC: Did you EB: No, I anyway, did he not know showed ihgveoussthink Barrier me Canyon Barrier where this Canyon photograph, syouncouldwdo 32 was? a and But was. he said, idife-size s thing of ELZY J. BIRD #1 that?" I guess said, "How big it will stretch fourteen feet high." had absolutely no geingEteNdoilitt would do where it in Green Is that Lee So it. some odd to fellow was here Bob we it I and can was buth I I was tollddhim and found is it."™ how [ I it do or around and at the edge I I how the would a was what time. and of showed I we found ST out rancher two I And out this down three us So I it. working under Tyler there. very my The next he showed and us canyon. I tried a name Smith up Writers' Lee We morning us His the met evening. got photographer, from We down Department, was took us eighty of about. I of him talking place, 33 pay do canyon. three was down canyon. the to Clark that or to or this Anthropology then took in two deal going He went us this a take Malouf. took up down take University know and cattle set see the into he to Jones, he if ran dollars Carling he feet, "sSure, where map, he and would and and And from Program, down said, scratched the him there, I hundred "Well, Tidwell? down so I says, River-- asked there I a He Werfanythingtelisel on Tidwell. I it?" over idea So was is the to Tidwell camped we at walked big figure panel out ELZY J. BIRD how I #1 was take going some where we from the take a keep us reproduce pictures. could were working fellow, Ken Indian Arts and Crafts his wvan up. brought got the base And then a to poles were on wound up how show the panel. make fellows Then guide. vertical with a on foot every tape black we tall So only marked this thing these took three 34 one fish poles foot so we were and were there, sketch to scale, feet long, we a of the and he another, we of our all along off on center. put and poles, photographs things while complete or with marks, mean, another and canyon poles, bamboo got we there, truck we was part was thing one He and I There this chalk with it of first We paraphernalia. in down énd there out and hired had he that truck and while us there; in down Lee's With to barrels, together. Board away did. he to He there there in in crew Bob miles which horses Arizona. from Disher, the crew my got and home came pack had Tidwell down River Green two with water, I spring about gear fresh So small arranged took I there. a our on down it thing. was I from out water it and with supplied brought but party this found Anyway, panel. then We camp, working hauled I to have would with these where I had they the and they something 1like ELZY J. BIRD #1 that. Then taken photographs I and black us; he But anyway and was over on been more not no that. We took fairly canvas and started. a Lynn mural sketches this and so or or a had a canvas on. We with something. we did else. We had think we it like building. high ceiling on, and big we got developed in and less We and this photographs it rented something and completed avplace July; prepared sketches with had damn stretch color that in great Lynn had down rent month, which our go building I whole to in anything the frame both was water. and Jones or was of took on This dollars use did office light 1light, made old heat floor decent we Bob didn't operation thing twenty the top an an place, Fausett had or no for the abandoned. heat had the Lynn first electricity, photographs. over he less any of all Temple, or place lot sick, the need a white. West this huge had this actual than two months. EC: What EB: The two odd feet, is fourteen and got was a the length pieces a very it? together hundred feet it of rolled dgreat was and high. Is success. sent I a hundred hundred and five feet, anyway, and 35 a twenty But up it we to got feet? twenty and it some it all was done, New York where didn't ever see it the ELZY J. BIRD #1 exhibit, were but it was concerned. western a wonderful thing as They used it And that was in 1940 track of after exhibit. as a far backdrop as for when they their that was done. EC: Was in EB: E€: EB: it then There are ought to owned Did it out to whether it was been think it Donald Bear. Donald museum in of Denver. WPA our program. out D'Harnencourt were a program. number For of also I have this Denver. And property. their I Colorado of University it Museum. I idea thing. But 36 that over the director regional the Cope of director an sent through been have the things nice instance, of was was And of University possibly Bear He New Museum. could I York, in the Denver the Public Denver the we it? Art Modern became it anyway, even have of the got But what. maybe Museum? Museum the by it know along. owned Who done? was it now the to owned don't And there came that project the about though, it somehow Yeah, was about. belong was may it war the until was it things many talk Who or lost where knew we and of York? New Well, It sort he talked anyway, there that did we to the on the Indian ELZY J. BIRD #1 reservation out of Vernal to do some in the Alice easel things and-= )@ Some of those collection to paintings of fine arts. Because I Merrill remember Horn they up and Society Historical the in there hang are used at the I got Capitol. EB: and he had mean in over so. You EB: No, had I over. the So less to anyway, the than send those it it were program. you? I mean was the painted over in white the after things the painted white-washed on of and didn't--I it and still Shortly 3 painting, is some time, the all did over, it is; was Gordon thing the artist, That mural art, months two poor liquor of about ideas Gordon, match. about ideas painted there but full for mural a do to a of much Gordon School; poor and Smith Paul And High Springville another mean mean canvas, during own their don't I Draper was own his had they for to boy, city big a University. wasn't it Springville, was the building, art their EC: down sent was Cope mural 1little a did for murals did They program. the on Richards Green Lee and Ware Florence program, the during And those. did we So Art that wall, on paint. went Center on was ELZY J. BIRD #1 in place, why, Goodall to out Eugene, of be Washington He and I fought EEh EB: Now, we the us. to have To run a the it the University, EB: and no and good music he all was I think he trying eye to Donald he was recommended by did the his a way good job. along; we responsibility, eye does that they work Beal and was and sort of am with two whole the a with Art I was his thing but ‘good in from years and we he job;, maybe the the degree thing, time, of of did did a tooe. I Goodall. writers' project. in? art program masters' wastdoing worked in people, a anybody--except were did Reginald fit direction; that the of T my I most that you and run activities had here to with indicated the under and trouble we all administration see Well, what all geodijobrmIifelt How and of Center; was eye was boss. and You to Art he out name but-- Center, art college EC: eye the the and director; Art Well immediate had of came see by exhibits? Center. not He not say man director constantly, you a Oregon, to did got our building, for they were the all them. same those 38 just way, great as They like was the were all-around one because people music, family. The there was who-- ELZY J. 122 And BIRD #1 that was the origin of the Utah are a Symphony, wasn't #e? EB: That's right, hesitate to give decided the any few people credit for that, Beal did a because for Wallace, that and I good job. instance, who her under program music whole the take to WPA Mrs. a was there And there corrected is that hope and wing. EC: Is that Crafts Mrs. Glen place out EB: it No, more gravitated this? Wallace Mrs. But there. was that not, did of out grow that Beeley--did Mrs. School, High Granite by there and Arts Lake Salt the Now Wallace? the-- toward Ballet? and --symphony, of the EC: that's what thing. He time, for bringing No, I I think symphony, called was some it then. He less out think symphonetta, the of Beal out, come to director of reorganized in cold. the got the At credit the together. thing the in don't I say, or more Beal left that the it a charge take to Henroid, Hans for paid Wallace Mrs. 1942, end the toward instance, for And, symphony. out grew which ballet, the eventually of begins 39 the histories with the I have other seen man, on Hans ELZY J. BIRD #1 Henroid. EB: But anyway, that time. remember They at the fox her with seat. Then now." But or thing drafted. You had I at had no the scraping Douglas no children; I time. the on I was bottom. my first was I and it, into and to people one so on, anything as and man and time, that about And were over I vulnerable. I vulnerable. night, or draft the volunteering remember 40 start can "we her take stirring, old an would was you so she in come war program. children, until the precedence got the the taking art hear subsidize was an and to were as come her People frivolous on like another. war the but was money lose to starting were I of lot a time that about But arts. and start would and, ready put people could She then and was she need know. you would would nobody at remember I Arts. you and I time that people up symphonies Kingsbury, Fine of the flying, furs those at but in, to of--by dressed everything we go part was--all anyway, guess them came Wallace Mrs. held background, the in music to Institute all got everybody great was I everything that we was that board the I it and they being here thirty-one was up sent is really were a to kid Fort from ELZY J. BIRD #1 Moab in the eye, so I As I next say they remember foreman. He working were one he had He a said out there gang of this day he one glass "I am going said, was said, and to "They army The eye wait he "I will set it watch kept you working glass bottom. was a road in that would get into get " suppliles’ sit pim fool to come rock guys", got the back. and and he So took he said, [Laughter] I or wunder them", the until the down Jjust on a he he « tos for had Indians--Navajos-- time would and that roads every guys junipers his EES these he scraping sa{d hils Bepi ckuptitteifgoiritolittown: something, eye; really building he him. had story, said for He were his They country. bunk. and back." But he the a-- military did not try that I to use your talents as an artist? EB: No, they college I chemistry, six had sent found there give for whole shots Training a they while, and that a 41 at of how thing, of the years medics. Kearns, And they and take well, had they And After to of Springfield, to back there. learned sort in medics. was Program and me out us of outfit couple put training trainload Missouri--the Hospital of weeks whole a and had I a been had blood and of the one ELZY J. BIRD majors #1 there noticed been doing some some charts for the things we that into got exercises on. to Tacoma, coming a dozen sent of our we had us of I a as had dozen hard McCord to about applied I as for go back don't that 42 to think deal. little a wasira taking were We through the equipment and going time The Field. training, chosen. Belvor, ever Every a and overseas, went place up and Redding, was the up assigned I So thing. of of they and presses Fort He outfit sort I ought you Field, this and the Hamilton officers interview us of to very what was There Oroville, to all around." look full make was medic, at had and "Bird, no were we cells he airfields. trailers my of were we and first D.C. that while were to had they and Washington Washington anything there big went we when half out small with chosen; was Coast. program, fields And so West maps the of charge me asked me Let where various to coast he and are You program. and posters work said, he So here? outfit reproduction my charts ISan ¢ Rafaels; s .and, Justiseutiniof made and been--in studying, company headquarters had made work. the to out me sent I were another in be to him. doing you are hell I drawings, my with impressed that just was half so I They out through you went ELZY J. BIRD you #1 ran. It was horrible. I weeks, they too old now. Geeze! EB: And be Belvor, abandoned, to went to are place a you they to going office building, Fourth Air Force, Rosa with I knew that abandoned; they just to leave Fort I want anyway, came time me back to toutfit:® I 'knew it to Santa Rosa, "This even do with to do with and I 43 stupid exist They me?" the West Coast, me. whole wandered is me and what know what anymore, this headquarters around Fourth sent has didn't just I the army Here 'been 'had headquarters, the said, with go even doesn't that going were I Santa in "Send Francisco, and were while my not the At outfit when did I so "Send said, I we But been are sent?" that tohsthis San Force, Air had said, I ibackis tohige outfit be outfit." and was I Belvor you secondary a to was thirty-two to so old my overseas, outfit. So it. abandoned like it twenty-one You're you and Coast, to said, everything, and an of secondary this would gone back kind same the "Bird, transferred had go to waiting where West ours because and Lieutenant. 2nd God, of a in oh nineteen me been had I time and, called uniform the to back G.I. through sorry, my had I went to We're EC: me and strictly for of two big the or ELZY J. BIRD three had #1 days, maps and and California. The going do sure." San So the went in and I room, we nice the had shower building Street, EEs Sounds ideal. EB: I a that it I little So they Spokane, ofitfit, building We had to, fine, The sent I had and an the of we it is middle a building the The look a into down thing. of over it office could this "Well, taken closet, the into said, made in of hell He They sort could as then last one me 1903rd go long and airfields big the in around one get right our room, to as 44 was roads cats in back hall top down of over is the and heavy and that time. one outfit Engineers world closing first a the on started were Aviation equipment, I engineering We and anyplace things here an Washington. the me?" us that day that wanted bit. use of to they and-- pass worked a what where fields to know there bunks, air like job, two room talked months. all was Market had six and I you slick our various not Can were drafting would building There a a for barracks. and me. got office "I does with Francisco whole saidy Army I the of and program. found charts I officers, to I in trucks a to go. up in equipment activated type So for of thing. and steam ELZY J. BIRD #1 shovels and there at first the whole Geiger bit. Field sergeant in for Okinawa--they formed Spokane. a were We battalion And I We were beginning the company. Jjust our wound up the sent to Okinawan campaign. So this is Okinawa there. was the secure Our day battalion that group battalion, infantrymen and goes that we gathered was Pyle Ernie went around a got up on Okinawa, us to take it's up told a off us over 2. It D plus I was on the for our camp Jjeep, us our just send to wrecked and we time killed. set to in passed 45 and over, to Naha decided They Ieshima. to went island small a was to get up for enough yet there so at in go to went proceeded the at going was we Pacific, then and gear to weeks two your and those, the around wasn't called advanced us supposed in, stuff took were We Naha it campaign The there. of convoy, a form to Okinawa. four chased We Honolulu. Ulithi had Pacific; the across we But out. rolls all and front down)the flip that ones are. they what know I man, navy ships. LST these of four had from January in left we so And 1945. a was I Yeah, 19452 battalion Our Seattle. and in is--yeah, This The along and that the Ernie ELZY J. BIRD Pyle #1 was killed removed had the people taken nobody them had with, was all mostly. a We civilians walked military, until dug a foxhole 1little all the guns night infantry for us the camp the and we and Okinawa and came along were able troops down from then they would they on the at first, some the of had way Japan. home. our people falling so, we us most 46 holes. we the by night, clean set We our over between on would us proper, and and drop 'em deal was--well the snipers, every up were bombers would all Finally were Okinawa of there we bombs We then pinned airfield. drop they and everything and bomb wide, spot. Anyway, our would killed at were little little civilians there, wiped snipers were on and start farmers camping sat night and left And were our Japan, They and miles both proceed. at four people, building over anything there bombs go us and and jeep this there, and to had to were stupid to Japan, come if these started closest on on and to each up in long got the were, troops dead we opened long There that through in They placelforburialybut yet. miles before. killed Japanese and machine were buried seven the hours central thousand that plus several that to been nine island here on us place, and and had good we night. I ELZY J. BIRD #1 decided fruit that that enough was cellar right in the I spent was night. Qs my We l ot foxhole. saw e the of men, EC: Did a they EB: Oh hundred and or plus a ever get your airfield yes, we got two airfields roads on whole island roll it, the a war from it was over our Japanese we from Japan. where the people airfields. ever From headed by that A again. sergeant saw I had were they treaty was great a lot glad waste of 47 stuff 1like saw ocur lost all the coral; the to do was crush it and It was cement. white runway. airfield--the come down people had, to by them but felt, freedom. that But, I I Japan, peaceable taken signed When people from actually were I of and McArthur. I I we plus needed first there am we these General I all had The people, them our dignitaries went. at wounded. almost used that think®lof" built, just nice, they peace experience a up and built? this wound in and T Mormon camp, time odd built and take made the We coral, and it used it was and Japan, and island. pit beautiful, the of bunch a our came so built of lot you up I middle Kamikaze, five twenty-seven open and Mideathiand®destruction® battalion do enough, came down the ship and our it was an would hate to and being had my own first Jjeep ELZY J. BIRD and #1 that wanted sort on of the thing. I island, as made a series of were a lot civilians, all of gathered camp set made a went by make more maybe up our of drawings, but drawings Rather thing, than I collection. did I then I of go the people. remember There was when and wife the much to do because that is where a I they up to with that sort of war part of still has was over war not as wound horrible My had proceeded had people the I were them. people on I of I there they care I work. They where these think into my farmers. later the anyplace beginning take of go did the could and I Okinawa drawings tents, forty Europe. they At to to as mostly sent where free long sketches. and series thing. the up was about the the in war in Europe. E€s Not out there, I was. Yeah, I know. EB: hear about There was off," So our last and war night Japanese a slipped and in, down came outfits other of one remember I But he was says, still "Oh, my up here got a into the war Our He the and is one from in tent the going. 48 tent. to [who] through fellows the said, cut over outfit next "Did you outfit? came guy's head in was the and area a of Europe." scheduled ELZY J. BIRD to invade Sure, #1 to And hit our EC: EB: not in would have to We going my of must that had I Japan; two these any it at Nagoya, I that would is often few there the death have been all. and rest The under was can't see Nagasaki left nothing was was "I There and smokestacks about 49 think, not the is this and city. the Hiroshima, of worse," a were perhaps So were after Japan into go destruction been and as destroying and off have horrible the to And it. of there rubble. we possibly would thoughts fire-bombed had U.S. have safes, very knew the of first We peace. the Nagoya; we destruction invaded the of left [that] there actually the nothing could we some the where seeing and resulted the all and were consider. were signing force. Japan. the then and we dreading going bomb atomic So thoughts the with the there, things were go. people, had We that of invasion Japan, of left happen hit islands am these bomb main horrendous. an that. the been all big of to slaughter I part have hitting business EC: the building proper. was The So were Japan when would We outfit excited of Japan. old of steel was just as great quite bomb. But as ELZY J. BIRD far EB: #1 as Well, destruction, war why. God, solve E€: And EE the very if we can do with we The great so and it my God, were Yeah. E€: The you I don't why table know can't we beforehand, of the of needs, what we people, and then equipment, and the it. the and all these dead people, horrible. there military did born is worse. destruction? all property and moon, peace needs waste of the think social been on Okinawa there until the end of system. Since you had no war? children, I a you have thing, on stupid foolishly of EB: this waste not men over the destruction So put things all could horrible expense--when when the EB: a than could EB: is these rather it have while had you were one I a down child was [END rotation OF on by then. stationed TAPE the ONE, 50 list My in San SIDE a ways-- daughter, Francisco. TWO] Robyn, was THIS IS TAPE #2 OF OUR FIRST INTERVIEW WITH ELZY BIRD. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HIS WAR EXPERIENCES, AND HE HAS JUST BROUGHT US TO THE CONCLUSION OF THE WAR. HE WAS RESIDING ON AN ISLAND OFF OKINAWA WHEN THE A-BOMB WAS DROPPED IN JAPAN. EVERETT L. COOLEY IS THE INTERVIEWER. THE DATE IS JUNE 25, 1991. [THIS IS PART OF THE EVERETT L. COOLEY ORAL HISTORY PROJECT.] EC: So EB: Well, you came we were actually twenty the to able because were air field and they points. spent to transferred Naha. at started So I left Christmas Seattle. off Okinawa of island main stationary were we We Then and New had a we where our were people home ship, ship, we was had were we mobile. So to the on an dwindling, got they as Christmas aboard Force time some started Years the over island spent all than outfit before great they small our sending just and Air they go but faster lot a points were various they the here So else. and they to pilots the only not and the is personnel, place Every for Force- Here Japan, a could Air flying were of they the office to been there screwy. of had outside tfiat come flying on. so field cooks, we been had Here they and up build a here island we kind was everybody and cooks the had were and points, up pick we their all islands small on airfield. China, to flying days because after then flyers The on. so upset system with then? people on--an point Force Air of and odd and the —and what, first some off get to kind infantry, few we home '45, and going a we back carrier. ELZY "BILL" BIRD They'd EC: a Did #2 gutted concerned took TAPE the and thing they thousand they INTERVIEW have as built people food #1 on far as row upon the carrier, preparation planes row of were bunks. They Shinango. facilities though for you? EB: Yeah, they aboard had these There wasn't back, even foot The big Yep, small a waves, B. Lake among all makes we to State were street to kind for draftsmen." He benefits."” for So Poulson. about EE€: You EB: That's how hadn't I to be of got right. seasick. outfit storm coming with forty in architect I "¥Youl "why in you not?" and into him him like me I went more than designer and A. of because on to the come setup for museMsyours So in board training coulidi taught draftsman a the into was back ran knew ran up I on Arts. "Would GLre to work anybody so on. school? started 52 arrived order. said, here everybody I I he we and back setting guess So over home. together. he am that a coming Fine said, a riding the says, I got whole anyway, life and I the sick, So was me? going everybody in us was members downtown remember difference. Institute board work of a my who and man of. get I were nobody Poulson, Utah seasick we celebrating Salt LST's though ship and everything. doing things, and we ELZY "BILL" BIRD TAPE built the Villa instance; in did some All in Elko? All in Elko. all the we or something We were in their new a Jack Clawson. did all tract out in the southeast What about work, those many schools? Now big on Not until later. Then Bing Young. My with schools. I Poulson used the an office boy part of years work elegant account on 4th where South. then things there. town for and I I went as Rose We did a we did a wardhouses. Ashton and Brazier, I left there Bob the top High East of him. kid to work partner a was A. school. of out the every School That were went and high since they too? Fowler Bob friend 53 very out there. ten of such schools out for and into take at department make to did we doing out to years homes were went down and Hotel. we Bank you known had there. Were of We we church bit building and of a I for of work Elko Poulson then couple at County Security Park, lot EB: on for for quite First a lot where Pine and the with deal worked did Inn Hills Commercial White that, I him a Oak We did old got in I like did Ranch the had for work we busy. We the on work Winburn. worked did Then kept homes. EE we school #1 Oak Hills. remodeling So to out Nevada, Slack INTERVIEW Theatre. I laid out we #2 is how B. drafting year Bob and Fowler ELZY "BILL" got BIRD TAPE started. do some all rest M.I.T. He Young. When interest we We'd it. great as did he company. So his We and to they'd letter postgraduate as a Ferguson, things. boys how partner out anyway work with Mrs. with and Bing Young's Fowler, Kingston, at and which Ruben, did-- This EB: We did this building, the of the Law Building. We their arena, building? BYU. We did their was EC: Bob bought E€: to office back died Fowler, #1 taught came Young the I Bob finally in them and of became did INTERVIEW use drawing, the later #2 library. mostly This big 1is We involved where did in sports complex, did a lot of we did a all of Walker we did work some down large at addition Bank's work. I that. they were building these satellite banks? EB: And we work. I middle we had a contract got in schools kept very on and a their busy. They to do all lot of their high are of School elementary schools still Alpine down doing and there. all the So big stubf: EES Now, the EB: It new as a profits, was draftsman or strictly company he was there, it did you strictly a except when salary, started 54 profit get salary to share in arrangement? Fowler set sharing. So up the every ELZY "BILL" BIRD Christmas our so that #2 there profit the time. hit gaEndthis would still But of in Now as draftsman, it say, "Now EB: Well, EEs So EB: Yeah, is you do of get a do the that. It a and I with could go had into enough from it enjoyed thewfield get work the all every ithat plumbers have to do, off put or here done .I and without, is your does what ideas the I into architect want?" bothtigeoingson: little Bean creative. Museum depends whole I annuity work to this, Monte all the you going be left, small I would deal. little to I arguing the that time a that draft is like sponsors like they're there you of part bonus salotwofs thing is #1 great s that what a the did but a By There sort be getting we involved that INTERVIEW sharing. I'm became EE TAPE on thing at the that BYU, I did most circumstance--who are putting up the money. EC: So it than EB: is a just a Yeah, I E€: next Now as and day or how day one you day may do aspects does experience, routine one draftsmen, engineering too, daily mean hospital, The satisfying that kind you you be you also of it? work? 55 of thing? might be might doing draftsmen, a be fine have Is to this other working doing a on a school. home. worry all about part of the it ELZY "BILL" EB: In BIRD most the of the engineering, people. You show them going to work in with up. They do most of their was strictly and what do much It was feel didn't three A on couple Fine At Arts what of and how their system and then it So to is mostly work use drawn it with here But the and it so is a Museum this and in your of was--I it me soO you career? didn't home so you showed art? 56 board, me you another two you or on. I and you were doing and and it. of drafting the ago life part other on hours months part for that there time other you were or own able you were business, were you where drafting creative. drawings own period those: building. least coming like your and with you'd your this pursue eight after beam your of end all-consuming, mean electrical, work had your on art anything of You this think--at don't I Well, to want didn't all drawings. architectural the at exhausted a to to creative do to plan hire thing. the in working you own they the yours, big does addition in Now, and your how that satisfying very I see offices all architecture. to #1 architectural engineering, on EE: INTERVIEW mechanical engineers EB: #2 structural is EC: TAPE went over painting doing that of to the yours. kind of ELZY "BILL" EB: Well, of BIRD that the That TAPE was art was #2 in INTERVIEW the #1 early '30s before I became head project. during the WPA period? Yeah. So this Yes, was a very creative creative. participate Colorado to KE's get in Have you work that and credit ever At those so for really you for exhibitions Springs, some period have your done times in on. made you? I New It was was able York, to Denver, very satisfying talent. much on of the an income outside of from any your daily Ehat I routine? EB: NeEt in asta the than EE€: EB: $5 did die my that T own for People they the six “have and months 1little book soldisthings: kept--I will sold buy thought professionally. worked Now, on thousand. after this EB: '30s but I ECs dailysthing I those died, After I or doing you so one early because retired did in some on for less things, I really 1976, field The 01d did then work. Farm, was post-retirement? Yeah. And is Well, my for when her. It when you first daughter was five this producing, had books children's these then to do with 5 the got I farm did been you have into writing? a and little some book of the ELZY "BILL" BIRD and little personal stuff like #1 that. thing. It "Why was Jjust don't and all decided day that after my retirement to make a million why I did gave me one found that being an I wasn't going artist anymore, exhibition. Intermountain and: a it was out been But of I gives me and the long. gratifying I dollars have I sold was three and the so still because you, an exhibition, I wasn't to after framing, that really I an I had production is--I to that do, people something damn keep still find will I being something that choose. that I buy can mean, that and put I am retired do well something that down my I it or own pick boss up and busy. have some of those books coming out in future? Yes, I And how I I to you for something enjoy Do I thing. and an that expenses, realize gquess so think all didn't it something like and been mean whenever I I of it books? Yeah, I it has these and I of this fifty just and out disaster. of People Art sort very get know, that a you you artist, EC: INTERVIEW published?" on. EB: #2 animals things EC: TAPE have have one that many have you right now four will done be to out year. date? published, 58 this and I have one that ELZY "BILL" BIRD will to be TAPE published New York. children. done in Oh, It It It may It is be a to year. I little do pages really that is will be an have one different with a out big has book; I the old that and farm, I sent for older and it is quite of to do it will a few illustrations. "The 0ld Farm." with the be The Anasazi, a 100 one and pages, it plus took. Ehi'sEsiis s reillated S atoll your © Barrieri s Canyon huh? Yeah, and Walter Cottam. story with extension coming that Now, a is #1 person. 100 experience, EB: this has first INTERVIEW yes. slides E€: #2 prowling of I a did small around with Dean much that. But of Indian boy, and Brimhall it it is is and actually called The Rain Makers. EC: EB: Well, the Indian days, and it The will publisher they are excited EEs Good. EB: Right similar called is now to I probably and it I a very be in a good an feel popular theme seller Americana quite these for series fortunate, you. that quite it. am the Indian is using doing, about theme involved bear thing Ponies, the 59 in doing that I other two picture did. One is called of books them is Mustang. ELZY "BILL" They a EC: BIRD are big Do in you other I been grenade in EB: No, to won't of am like all pretty like Now this 1is Well, I lot What or know, different things. situations. I went old a guess had some I am and were on dropped I I enough not have with a out really Dean a Brimhall two that, get a lot those of can't fish done without gone too. and got I hiking has days has sportsman. But up and I and down do some your most to. say you would if you <can you when period an or fishing out lately fun experience don't as of I used a period and But the you fishing outdoors, Cottam. reminiscing. EB: best company. a getting fishing My sportsmanlike. the and cliffs a My those whole am life. Have minded. boat very my I pursued? sports about the choose you (laughter) why satisfying painting? sea. I getting your and interests, the Walter people, outside a exploring and that's took the fisherman. So I isn't feed that. disaster. talk that horses, been a when of that never #1 mostly other hobbies Okinawa We INTERVIEW of besides have EC: EC: out have always #2 color, charge anything EB: TAPE would be to look had back and activity? I would Put one 60 run my of the the 1life most gamut in I guess of different satisfying things ELZY "BILL" BIRD of life, my joy, was small we Oh, That the fighter very come, physical moved in "beautiful on our bastards" or--? satisfying However, a created, to an as be I experience, it For think. instance, I E€: Until just EB: --until a to be that I had of by my the great painters in first My ups of was to one down it pin book than ups downs. and healthy very I downs all my until-- hospital recently. these anything in been never have life. over was that enough more been have I wife caesarean a something well big first satisfying series been have there life my a my and after can't a be to of your with very of you part having satisfying. that a Francisco thought very has 1like see to alongside say satisfying. is It artist, is be satisfying very placed to hell through painting That America. me San in was I daughter. recognized for highlights was It my see are going here operation. or first most fighters. child. In Force the planes. There peers caused they B-29s thing. to Air Here they, was was that #1 them. were the INTERVIEW is, field. called Mostly #2 that when air What TAPE series. like I have My that. 61 never health had has a been broken very bone good. ELZY "BILL" I BIRD guess Your TAPE #2 because clean Except INTERVIEW of my early #1 life. living. that I smoked What about--you Now, I just one met a all my haven't daughter life. said one much day about your family. with you. she done? start with. She got in Skating and got in Do you have child? Yes. What's My her profession; daughter the was program ice summer show. shows and she EC: He the first EB: She to was married Boise. there and and part where compete football. of for of in She devoted most 62 their in the studied the she a of her was sent Symphony. They skating skating towns small of and have basketball in rink the 1life a schools high The in town; playing hockey compete manager yes. and taught the of we IBM big of lot like symphony, Boise skating. became in there She with the Most have hockey show the and a thing. Valley Wolff. That's and Sun musician. worked there. they in ice Minneapolis skaters sort up under became fine later a She rinks arenas also who ice Ice an person several that have a to all wound violinist moved of and studied latter lot Hygeia was violin to at They She has skater here various evenings. a what to there being a ELZY "BILL" BIRD TAPE #2 She has housewife. haven't been writer. We she has INTERVIEW written published have one two more University several yet. She of novels would grandchildren. year of #1 like Gena, postgraduate 1Illinois, and that to the a oldest, work she be at the graduated in architecture. K€ Did grandpa have EB: No, grandpa tried very bright kid architect's School with and whole are of home that the I say in we My can trips to travel is Caribbean, and Europe down been have and work and we to in the Indiana, so is involved his So retirement has been pretty 63 good We are I we We upkeep. you a don't made trips three We have enjoyed our Yucatan. have our bought where made very sold and for own rest. the travels. EC: an all and and in a pool, well. wife is swimming and Sugarhouse different the summer of home, very outfit. four in very she Kendra, Cadillac yard been one, great about and this well--with worry Hawaii But does to to it. husband would that of daughter's have out out University very had there? working the the whole so other a bit, we condominium The and doing, proud is at have her she My computers, They They and scattered. the talk Business company. influence to office. of they're some then? ELZY "BILL" EB: Yeah, retirement late us years are have now war Anniversary have last do We own owe the own anybody of we set and we money I our are come own 58th we been Wedding financially own the have go of except fifty-nine. and our except regrets; We on very Both think, apart. we and no life, going where want condo any and these going. have celebrated up we We were We until started our November things our has old. bit 1932. retirement to years when since wonderful health every years married been our eighty enjoyed the has when #1 INTERVIEW #2 TAPE BIRD We able as we want. car. We don't 1light bill and ta¥es. Sounds We like a satisfying had a very have Well, good. about these will We will see will enjoyed have We to chance that you you very ALl rights So we review get experience. having get will #for " Syant S copiest grandkids. EB: satisfying things. a have I life. it typed and return copies. am sure Fyour" " daughter much. [END OF INTERVIEW] 64 I you. to me and you to us. that you up this accommodate will talk you it and = yeour Well, thank RESUME BT NBird Barn HE311==Sailit" 1917-1925: Early Take Farm in Schooling: 1929-1932: 'City, East J. T. 1933: Chinauard Early 1933: Layton, Layton University and of of Disney Director, 1942-1946: U. Army Okinawan Retired Art, Los WPA Corps City Art with Angeles of Federal Art Project Engineers, Campaign Draftsman Architectural Lake Studios State 1946-1977: Salt Utah--Studied 1937-1942: S. Utah Harwood School Walt Utah Designer for four Salt Lake Offices 1977 Exhibitions--Artwork New York Artist West Denver Art Santa All Works World's in Utah of Mississippi--Colorado the Museum Barbara Utah Fair--1939 Art Museum Shows Collections State Institute of Fine Arts Springs State Fair Springville Many Utah Written and Minneapolis, Board schools TIllustrated private for collections Carolrhoda Publishers Minn. ' "Ten"Tall 2. "Chuck 3. "How Do 4. "The Blizzard of and Tales"--1984 Wagon Bears Stew'"--1988 Sleep?"--1989 of 1896"--1990 Directors Late 1930s--Utah Late 1950s--Art State Barn Institute of Fine Arts THE FEDERAL ART PROJECT IT APPLIED TO SALT LAKE AND UTAH, AS CITY By E. J. Bird The The depression feeling of nose-dives it's 1930's despair was upon the generzl lzck of and the and the was a time of great due to bank land employment accepted mode of misery alot failures, opportunity. travel to stock Every was by box-car in 1932, and of market city and people. had "riding rods." Franklin closing all The spending W.,P,A., of self-respect aznd on People was any 2gain many artists, 211 on W.P.A. way our of hope down on his projects the not set Arts were connected of luck the shaky took Civil first foundations, form Works of Administration, all it filtered 1935. willing znd and cloud dark a women, of the to depression. of could work, and craftsmen professions found find laborers, them- W.P.A. by particularly hard hit teaching, were at one with after the Administration through people by up in Men even - workers years late ray This Works Public W,.P.A. their dilemma, several and the through Project. reorganize Administration calling, in of After bright a president might out Act, Relief elected they projects. trained Almost the our blue-collar the was that Progress Works person selves banks Emergency to white Roosevelt mzke-work Federal down D. the started public Any the bread-lines the he of the time depression, or another Following is the Utah W.P.A. orgsnization Darrell J. Greenwell State Administrator Ruby Garrett Women's and Reginald State Director (this was K. Maurice Howe involved: Division, Women's Project, Federal Music W.P.A. W.P,A. the forerunner of Project, today's W.P.A. present Symphony Orchestra) Madsen Morgan Each Judy 2t one time served as State Director of Federal Writers' Project. Lund First I people Beals Charles Dale the W.P.A. Professional Virginia Frobes State Director znd St-te a2ssumed on August 1, the Director title 1937. At of this of Federal State time Art Director the of Project, The later Federal Art Project 2nd watercolor, was assumed Art involved by E, Project with the following: 1. Easle and Easle murzl paintings. paintings, both 0il were left pretty much up to the artist zs far as subject matter, unless we had contracted for z specific project. Any tax supported institution could participate by merely furnishing the costs of materials. The Federzl Art Project pzid all wages. This also applied to murzl painting, but there was usually many conferences on subject m=ztter. 2. The Index of This was z photographic Folk Art, Americzn project without renderings were Utzh Daughters of at Ut~h For it =nd further Design. had the sponsorship. Very detailed zlmost made with watercolor of Pioneer - wealtb of this Utzh Pioneers relic plates received very reference see: material halls. high tucked We praise were zway in very good nationally. the J. Bird. "THE INDEX OF AMERICAN DESIGN" by EDWIN O, CHRISTENSEN, The MACMILLAN CO. NEW YORK NATTIONAL GALLERY of ART SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTION-WASHINGTON, The Index of American ultimately given purpose research of 3. The to rest the National by interested of the Street by the State was 1938 Salt Utah of a large space. it was, it City Price I at the am 1938 Gail made by up Art the Gallerys: opened the of at 59 many South State project sponsored representing the Federal Art people, ART-MUSIC-and Project. It WRITERS was This head- Projects. Some for dates 29, your are cultural where the Utah State Staffed center action of Salt was. 1939 19%40. the before to as as work of status the of the classrooms. and Gallery report beginning as galleries 1939 15, feeler less offices, Gallery made giving served certzinly 27, Community I or were Gallery December April There rooms was Community Martin's submitting it August first very at the time, staffed more Community report a is January Institute with CENTER Federal was and Opened is ART Several Opened enclosed for orchestra. Helper the The the the Opened also dealt and D.C. scholars. project for of Provo and Washington, were needs Lzke in think, consisted of three floors and a basement. zuditorium which could accomodate the practice as Arts in I The building There was an work Enclosed Gallery plates, Lake City, Utah. This was a State Institute of Fine Arts Utzh, quarters original project November A. Design D.C. setting to the in financial ART CENTER, time Also of the that was status Fine of that at progress The up Institute 1938. review and use missing but I a scrap think the book general kept feeling of the times - One This I and project Mural. and names of was offer faces lasting a Works the - June Director Progress Mr. into the the section He of Art I across same canyon out into on the cliff details, back party and and and the from the of interest. Barrier Federal Art Utah Indian for RENE' Board, Federal with of the Canyon Art Project D'HARNONCOURT, Department Project and was rep{oduce pictographs 2 January maps grazing of area arrived of Interior. equipped in to mural spread over exhibition in was the in there forth, to take to a2t us a full-sized The town of Lake that into form the a face. the Museum great job. of crew time. of He canyon, people I =2greed, first who and a at one time Area. 'l'he for found Canyon 65 Utah., with After day almost it This heads fame, had me. next was Canyon Canyon to Barrier the City Museum a Greenriver, Cassidy Greenriver the of Barrier the him canyon "HORSESHOE" exciting left do the Butch Salt the very town rights czttle of could found as Museum, in we the in D'Harnoncourt to and listed dig of sorts Mr. then is Roost pzintings that area south Peabody inquiry had range Crafts desert the of of be be Mural letter immediately maps some Archeological Tidwell Arts completed Robber's from Upon Canyon South-Eastern almost an the Barrier if D'Harnoncourt acquired may Administration a cliff the the Mr., to - in New York. obtained miles of mural replied next seems received asked large the I Indian wilds a wanted Modern I 1940 D'Harnoncourt go figures following: of of and interest The In facts picture would picture over Washington. a Mr, and after in. had sponsored talking that Area he a hsd Lee a several small actually herd letters survey collect the data for the necessary two In late Tyler, of from Utah Mr., trips the the up truck and across off on nose and wound a the for tangent, went over up at =zt sundown the around I infinity tall flag pole. I have hang to with me clear reach second for look Anyway, us was up other the in the situstion. Tidwell helped Water useable bottom. the -t Canyon, water here Only side. latch door driven since the to feel a2nd which at and sand, us is that for the down a a jeep, many times Most people and have foot side we had I have trail said he by were natural when they = or this nearby. assured tendency take bsck-packs cznyon look you down of vehicle your ant he passengers my a th-t think I small and cliffs repair other like the at with cliff the on it's arrived when something smz2ll time breath in my the off he on the some needed on a hollered and he of out carved spare to water- Chevy that canyon road pick- night. the road Chevy goin'!" We met Arriving Tidwell the we days. gallon for of once t-ke 60 Clark University where six road. one Scraping inches only with a cloud suck still with a The Canyon. zlmost up fee the Tidwell's put of kind Lee deseret across shack in and from or sand-bank, camped to." into and in rock. down trail the Malouf five gear desert a slick Barrier =znd side one and white-knuckeled into his photographer, Greenriver for comin' bottom his us our in road gotten access this bump project for food the one showed I remember, Carling left and loaded each gut-busting some "hadn't on =2 by reached out with rim Tidwell =nd bed-rolls headed took As our and Department had got mural, Jones, Project, we "We canyon Robert afternoon, sloshing once: over took Writer's We early barrel the I the to be $85.00. Anthropology in painting was June Tidwell. out for that and a set There it was perfectly showing safe us on the ccnyon, at the Canyon spent m~ps our days pictures on were to toward the below =nd Bob ~nd us some panels agreed the rough of maps and pictographs to meet big approximately north wall horizontzl feet ne:r line high. The five of two the 2long top us five of = ledge maybe nothing on the approxim=tely 15 feet, to were took was working z lot of east. were dzys the close-up cliff hence photos, both in wide this 2t red sandstone ledge, west on floor. the This =-nd black outward Directly the 30 The were tipping were color camp., of was contemplating They verticzl., feet you our 2 wall v-1lley or were cznyon., the the we from of Below very up base off ten was that east-west p=rt degrees panel miles the ten you Jones various or tzpering that = the paintings of us mostly was cenyons the height so in 2000 left the drawing rim, This 1500 After where Tidwell reproducing. scattered drinking. the in We for feet aver-ge made it so away. or and end white for reference, We other go spent pznels zbout As on crew the at from job last Lee and =t few weeks on minute time us time we were the he 2, picked being actually =ssistant the our Before Tidwell of On September Disher, 2rez. 211 of of explaining left we up =nd the had a cznyon fair and idea of to Salt visiting how to =2t hand. people details the the planned, next remainder in the schedule, The the us unshave@ spent in snd Lynn gzthering the was 1940 generzl stationed rushed we left msnager in to needed ~gain of was for for Barrier Indizn N.M., to sketches hospital the Albequerque of soap planning. Fausett the returned in need careful project. we I be and and water, picked in photos. Canyon. and joined us my charge emergency Arts Lake of However, surgery. Keneth Crafts in Salt Board, Lzke 7 with a2 lzrge van Mace, Frank Frank was =n rtist photogr=pher, We his a and spent quick the myself in -s agreed to act s and completing hours Lee's They We had Henry Rassmusen, Eldon Allen c-mp-tender. Bob Jones, party. on mired we =rtists. incident were being cook the without had started =nd ploced on the the in -nd rim the picked up of barrier gumbo mud both vertically made up both ways-this Mace, foot was for Tidwell -fter of the Rassmusen, with dark, desert in the business. the base of the grids before, and with master and making ~long the in the cliff., near gezr = too stovepipe This This of was with on tall awkw=rd mural tied were length in our the site, 20 gallons side each of black hezdquarters chalk white There marking By the poles. g=ve one pencil us a quick foot. We one to his to horizontszlly. placed we sever:1l pack-horse, apart increments grid-lines were paintings, foot one cliff, driven carrying of feet sever:1l us which cans, hzd =nd loaded by in =gainst Tolemsn day wife We camp were intervals our each and that we the board our four zbout of poles up milk horizontz1lly, and Some us mentioned poles, illustration with on upright poles the and at m=rks one send attzched First, bzmboo setting Lee's truck Greenriver. mezsuring to with pick-up trail. gzllon ten zrrived at the bamboo stove czmp -t ranch agreed Allen had extrs: After two in scratch spaced an he week. long an down sever-1l water we brother the. home help, a2 full working Toleman sever1 and Lee's holding project Ray b-rrel. sheepherder's tape the A, water a2 pack-saddle, for From 'nd Greenriver pack-saddles. fresh of -nd from step-ladder with also children. horses for Meurer, morning pack-horses the gear. r-instorm, Next small our and arrived truck h=ving for inch guide, next apart sketch. Maurer it to =211 scrle worked as on they this master proceeded. sketchThe sketch 8 was done in Artists, figures water not working sometimes color-film, poles Bob held in relaxed 2nd guitar times Told how, each pack-horses into fun to were top the x-rated holding doing the tall entire joined fall m=ny for to the the vertical details of the step-ladder. surf ce, us of and years, -re:=s, last canyon, campfire, verses Tidwells enough the turns busy of explore around these wild deer-jerky the took with poles. various Using the vertical sc:le. mostly the I sketch, on chonce of and photogr-phed for a full Several of Jones us the balanced had taught Allen on place Everyone mzke color. the and Eldon our Allen well-known Lee he told and played cowboy us his evenings tales his songs. of brothers the take deer year, while they were out with trziled our gear back up the area, would shéot in were box-canyons and their cattle. Finishing rim with znd hzving The offered assume in Bozard duck white one = the great of of schedule, stretched tempera. vacrnt as the top from mural the an with tightly We approximately Salt Lake =t floor their City, over ft. it funds everyone stitch long in on a2 wooden h=d the Indizn the or their 12 to the tired Temple the two other,as we space was ideal ceilings and large Arts and remember, heavy This machines, surface Crafts ordered widths. sections I Street provided Fausett foot heavy and into This high Lynn 10 West great from frame cznvass ~nd South contribution materials. company the 222 maintzinance. that necessary plain =s 2nd With divided 40 to building in awning z we back lighting pzrtitions. purchased together then the such paint without we on experience. the use expenses canvass sewed was h~d to work pack-horses, owners us which spzces the our The canvass finished both 25 12'6" ft. was in high long. 9 FPuseft the reference ch=rcoal., trip marked dr-wings Then they pressure the now with proceeded the artists with msny sent of the into blocked most actusl January of of one out the free foot the I to the for their exhibition at came into the possession of the should be told were on was the the the Barrier great of finished Museum with with cooperation murzal York and secale remember the New lines, to who still thanks overtime grid mural artists painting., deadline-but hours to off photos, help with meet and and the to schedule the-C'nvass on of Modern Art, How m~ny this mural knowledge-ble The People Mzny again found work men All devote Project with and things time =nd by of Utah, more someone I. Art Federal young Forces. th=n story :nother is later years University the women war were cultural and came effort to taken were left toward the into the E. for various the arts. J. the Plants Arms' in effort with end an Bird future advent and of of people War IT. etc. factories branches when World the Armed could Robert S. Olpin Dictionary of Utah Art Published by the Salt Lake Art Center in cooperation with the Utah American Revolution Bicentennial Commission BINGHAM BINGHAM, Melba, is another Utah artist of note in the present period. " BIRD, Elzy J., was named to succeed Judy Lund as Utah State Art Director of the W.P.A. tive watercolorist (his in 1936. E.J. “Bill" Bird was both an effecTakin' Five drawing critical acclaim at F te he the m pc BIRRELL, Verla. B.Y.U., like Utah and Utah State, to gradually increase the size of its art faculty through the years beyond 1930, in addition to B.F. Larsen's presence, a number of others like the interior designer and painter, Verla Birrell (at the “Y" from 1937 10 '48) would contribute their varied talents toward the development of & full-scaie program. Birrell one of Florence Ware's early students at the “U", however, she would later return to contribute another emphatic voice at her Alma Mater in favor of “the total setting..” A painter, interior designer, textile designer, poetess, and historian, an 1939 New York World's Fair) and an able W.P.A. administrator until he resigned from the Project to enter military service in 1943, Birrell was rather widely published in the 1940s and "S0s, this while working first at the Y™ and then in the University of Utahs Department of Home Economics, beginning in 1948. Eventually taking many interior design and textile classes that had previously been conducted by Professor Lutie H. Fryer, Birrell, as one of the most extensively and variously trained of all Utah artists (B.S. University of Utah, with J.T. Harwood, Mabel Frazer, Florence Ware, 1928; graduate study in anthropology, 1957; Art Students League of New York with Maurice Kantor, summers, 1931, 1955-56;: 1931, 1955-56: Larsen, Luykens, forma. J. Columbia Brigham Roman summers with University, Young Andrus, 1939; Professors New University, 1938. M.F.A. York City, summers, Provo, Utah with 194647, Claremont Ames, Brooks, U.S.C.. graduate Manker. with B.F. Glen school, Cali- Sheets, Zornes. 1942: Escuala de Bellas Arts, Mexico City, summer, 1944; Chicago Academy of Finc Arts, summer, 1950. etc), would finally head an interior design major in “home ec.” until her retirement in the early 1970s. With previous secondary education teaching experience also to her credit. Birrell would remain an active local exhibitor through her career, become the winner of “firsts” and purchase prizes at the Utah State Fair and Institute of Fine Arts shows, and also be listed in Who's Who in Poetry in America as well. Never a member of the art and architecture departments at the “U”, Birrell's program there would remain, for the most part a separate entity and a “one-woman” show at that; and, in the end, it would be discon- 18 Ut BLAI of bor Sch larg crea Nev the stro ofN in tl n e: to tk thro hom Tt Indiz 4 po as O [of] frette the s ation tally be co Fin failun his wq In mé would the pz INew tinued upon her recent retirement. Birrell works at the Salt Lake Art Barn (Salt Lake in early 1957, the “experimental™ nature of much of then noted in a couple of Tribune articles of that BLA Art Center) her art was period. On in lieu BLEISSY paintel Y