Louise Hill Howe Mallonee, Salt Lake City, Utah : an interview by Winnifred Margetts

Transcript (80 pages) of interview by Winnifred Margetts with Louise Hill Howe Mallonee on February 21, 1985. This interview is no. 343 in the Everett L. Cooley Oral History Project, and tape nos. U-252 and U-253

Speaking with Winnifred Margetts, Mallonee (b. 1898) recalls her childhood and early interest in "speaking pieces." She also discusses Maud May Babcock, touring companies, her education at the University of Utah, marriage and children, the KSL Players, Keith Engar, teaching at the University of Utah, Lowell Lees, and Pioneer Memorial Theater.

Acc 814 lntcr\‘ricw #343 LOUISE HILL HOWE MALONEE LOUISE HILL HOWE MALONEE Salt Lake City, Utah An Interview Winnefred Everett L. Cooley By Margetts Oral History [EapelNosTRU=252%and February 21, Marriott Lake 1985 Library University Salt " U=2/53 of City, Utah Utah Project THE UNIVERSITY UNIVERSITY oy O UIAH EVERETT L. COOLEY ORAL HISTORY COLLECTION s : / / it wil%}pgly 19 423 to scholarly contribute the my Lipbrary testimony of the recorded on University of ';p: é? Utan to be used purposes. Open and Usable usable with é%@? The the after my following review. restrictions: Trand gt bo 3 4&& v Interviewee Interviewer ¢ 1{i it ?fj//’//;/h/ fj/é for EVERETT L. COOLEY ORAL HISTORY COLLECTION Datel I willingly 19 to scholarly contribute the my Library testimony of the recorded University on of il 7 ~ /s A'2 Utah to purposes. Open and Usable usable with the after my following review. restrictions: g L b Gl L Interviewee be used o) 2 /¢ : for TABLE OF CONTENTS Tape #1 Background . . . . Working with Touring Companies Social Hall Completing Stock and Weekly Gladys Tape 18 Engar -l 21 . 24 on Program or 19 27 Radio years Pinney - 29 . 32 . Script Writer . . 34 Master's Degree Classes Studios Kingsbury Lowell Leaves KSL University TV Lees Theater in Radio and in Hall License Roles 1950 Service Programs Broadcasting . at Acquires and . Instructor in 38 . Documentaries Night Many 16 Utah 2 Teaching C. of 7/ Drama - Years, KSL University Drama Wagstaff Keithi War at 12 . . First Players Theater Children Radio . . Companies Presents Babcock . Becomes Jobs Marriage May Degree Part-time KSL Maude - . . Early University Played 1938 . 40 . 43 43 44 45 . 47 Theater 48 50 53 Eduncational®Pragrams FauitselfsiSEudents . N Mol TS AL GRSHE University Presidents Thomas Changesfat UniVerssSIEY . e o BifseraminatiiontinkiSallaries Visiting Opening Professor Pioneer in Hawaii Memorial SRV T RIS and c o o 8 e LR Olpin 6w ol e s LB . e . o . s B and U. of Theater as Gertrude elile @ e e 55 LR W e e Si/ . . fe . e in . 60 s o Wisconsin . 67 o . . Hamlet 70 . 72 . 74 THIS IS THE EVERETT COOLEY ORAL HISTORY PROJECT. TODAY'S DATE IS FEBRUARY 21, 1985. WE ARE IN THE ECCLES ROOM OF THE MARRIOTT LIBRARY, AND THE GUEST BEING INTERVIEWED TODAY IS LOUISE HILL HOWE MALLONEE, AND MY NAME IS WINNIFRED MARGETTS. WM: Well, Iouise, getting IM: some have the I'll see if 1898. WM: You've just IM: Um WM: Okay, and IM: Well, I of I can had a start on you. where And and remember. birthday the when interview first you were [laughter] then, of with all, we born. February haven't the you? where was Lake. The about hum, IM: William WM: Either IM: Yes, and WM: Can IM: My father's he was tell My My is States from of us or was called Louisa the suburbs to Salt of When Lake I City. name? Snedaker from or Millcreek. moved father's Hill. early Utah pioneers? were. a little was nine born mother German--my Germany about years mother's the County, family and father's course one our father, eight Denmark. Lake descendants both born? community Hill, one you Salt mother N. they Nauvoo. in twelve, Uh you were born WM: was to background hum. Salt like question third, was we'd of that? in Toronto, age emigrated parents--the grandmother and handcart she his was Canada. family to the name came When moved U.S. from Snedaker, to the of United Pennsylvania-Dutch, pioneers. to and LOUISE HILL HOWE Oh, they Walked, I MALONEE across the plains, walked? yes. know been came #1 a few others. In to had talking have fact, a the few same of the kind of people I've progenitors then. That's The true, next into Let sure. we would area your early I'm university schooling, me see. schools, know.) Was this Yes. Well, I I right called included the sixth was and called Granite What in the kinds high Well, of high that literature. was in the grade high the you and Lake Edison to then extracurricular two grade go way back, think went another the your to I you Then, to took get valley? when School. (I School. but we were. school. changed you school, Salt grade, before is where interests to to Carlisle School discuss, that to the school. later, I University activities did That went of to Utah. you have school? in moment eighth High went here was seventh your went One to experience, what before you like the pieces." term I school, entered When just used in fact school, all I was a youngster then. Most I my life very interested "spoke 1little from pieces." children the in It "spoke LOUISE WM: HILL HOWE Oh, MALONEE #1 yes. Does that ring a bell? Yes. The expression 2 : such an No, is archaic you not heard have to My mother--I came from I was first teaching me go ahead a She me didn't me anything always thought But she just and she was very good Did you have have judge, learned to love people wouldn't the I some a of was in we just don't use perform. seven children, took great mother really.instilled give and family girl--my "pieces." ever You idiom. just the anymore. of the of first good literature. She did, know. course. to But in who to anything joy person "cheap" you but recite, (laughter) do her which with trash, choices were later. memorize these so that you could she never perform? That's right. allowed be a me to would be a show-off). and family Oh, I So I I when school memorize show-off. Then it gatherings, them, (I would was be where I at would but too shy church anyway to functions recite. see. did I a went at lot of performing to high school that time was when the James I was principal Moss, and a child. Then of high I the think I'm LOUISE HILL HOWE MALONEE Senator of father the was he think I this, about right #1 : : Moss. old Yes, Jimmy loved the school as So high school were my Um stage. Part as being principal those interests. main were in of them that stands I've even plays? school high of lot a you But hum. the all But, too. English, loved I and plays plays. in was and this for producing was he high the at activity his of course of And him. called immediately out went I everybody Moss, well huh. uh Moss, Jimmy Yes, Yes. one Any Well, time! long for a dig down. names parts. I haven't thought (laughter) I haven't had a of the forget never I shall But some I plays. the of the the of some remember forgotten mind? your in out of this to chance splendid teachers. Yes. a English come and of took few his years, college. his He classics some. mention left Moss later But dynamic was and the in the University feel so fortunate influence first so to many in both enhance ways he my of Utah have to high S. there remained He to going I Adam late the Granite, principal. as place Department. under the to James After Bennion only like you Would school enjoyment directed the LOUISE HILL HOWE course MALONEE of my #1 life. Were there others, Yes. I with gratitude remember also, two McCann physical education She later By the way, university So that even us That read Did gave I as Babcock at who the Dr. Miss taught well at of Granite; was also dramatic coach. University Leo a of Marshall Utah. of the schooled came to they very former recitals thing then, would May's often students at at the the That was call it. enthralled Maude techniques, university. would recitals. was the to one in take of a Miss university. So, of All graduation I of Babcock, University their group enjoyed Utah. of the thesis, those so to hear beautiful literature some idea that you'd to and become a beautifully. this to the Oh yes, good in You've So us the suppose as faculty teachers), was much. Rogers married were you take majors Lucile the course, (these would I you Of who school? faculty. before True. students teacher she high affection and joined your former and Alberta in many give you University all I a way got a today, ever wanted because total you goal I know my to have to set major do no for children and like come on in--? you know that's conflict. yourself. and my grandchildren LOUISE HILL HOWE are in MALONEE a knew. quandry, I that I guess do. Well, you did Well, thank did high was it come school shall lucky that in I a be?" way conflict. well, you. you "What have to So I didn't wanted #1 Louise. I don't to the (right I always Let know But, me about university tell I always or wrong) knew what you that. I that. directly from your graduation? Yes. Ydu became department, Let's see. a student or what I in did think it time. Tell us then what your working with Maude May of of course hers held and in I the I was a big seemed small You one. for looked Well, enough. But was at any speech expression, once you at started death was a down corner. was. I, enter large in I to As class. that I a It corner said remember class and unfortunately, the was room class they was all very so-- probably of oral was to crowded. I age, because it southeast than my scared building It older called reaction remember downstairs--the called Babcock. was "L" it the--? was that Well, the--was younger size, rate than although I was you I very really was were. certainly frightened. old I had LOUISE HILL HOWE MALONEE heard already frank she #1 about was, and Miss Babcock's that she could criticisms sometimes and how reduce you - : ta== To tears Yes, probably. often reading work. to for That really. If she and in was one it reach everybody was all sometimes when you had Yes, not you her praise my moments of vividly, of them her that finally of my it on life, must be important. But you. was students, they expecting really so hard because of had course for improvement, But her discouraging. get to which criticism Getting she praise was from true. dear close even a crumb, you just felt like survive her succeeded. Some teaching. great teacher necessary. and did much a having rare. received was big then strive harsh quite and of mind,.it easy and that's method thrill impression your an right But the and so big for remember attain? made was in goals she her a do the critical Yes, was I class of made highly to that stays setting But, remember that if was her you something Yes, tears. But individual friend lady. to were if unable you learned attention. me the to rest She of to take became her it you a very life. She LOUISE WM: HILL HOWE Did you early become I think course, were this Yes. where both cast members in some of during the four years. in many lot class, there was a plays. only one think so, she towns production them of her played in in produced those a an audience, museum was building experience because two there especially. to This acting, so class? the and course play or you had three days I of think to the there year. yes. took very you Of plays, platform. plays also production, act room raised I one presented assembly producing play play always Then of on, the in Then a going a we both. Did the in varsity I did like usually was of I performed plays But do one we many Was #1 plays? Yes. Of MALONEE this yearly production out to smaller often. ever go on the road with the varsity players? AYes. Was I this touring? remember going Brigham City, in the same It was the to Ogden, very and adjacent Heber. cities You'd go like and Bingham, come back day. same day? oh, I'm wrong. We stayed it. We would stay in overnight, the homes come of to think friends of about Miss LOUISE HILL HOWE Babcock if MALONEE or, interested there was you would But always one much all like Costumes, the "The a a panic we Every town it at was PMT. out toured left the 1925 and 1926 of she and met to left be Scenery a far Then, Miss on the 1915 a cry we up, very few from had "B," road, the so the to and when we I was in the drugstore I had to in borrow those days. could sets and years, that by in improvise by Tooele Then that my time traveled gorgeous during eight called to stage. crude flats 1920 that we suitcase picked was had my of going and for in were by stage-coach. furniture I had They Mrs. several company I remember of to do the plays. course, in sort a to entered university state. Of play I taken I out practical with was automobile. theatre Actually, plays of borrowed also. but today an had clothes after school we Did costumes, before 1913 even because where in wagon--a there group. the wasn't that Players." had and all it Babcock toured high horse theatre scenery, know Then Babcock with few I summers everybody your actually Leigh students up, But Miss communities. during town. with the touring. Bumpstead the even a hotel this? yes. university got in citizens--sometimes travel take anything #1 time be we set have make do. sent very there was LOUISE HILL no HOWE MALONEE traveling the campus Lake her ANk 191854 Did you other the Oh yes. Tell I was Avenue. years. It Young. It was it not all kinds. How long After Social through used the on Salt for opened and the theatre, work theatre, this years served a was restaurant. 10 But known for in the as below Motor years 1853 by and Brigham pioneers social used gatherings completed its used reading just old of vacant? have I remember now and been was it remodeled there also stock majors. Street, think Theatre to this is Hall, but building Lake what the that first. State I of among stood Social the as Babcock member like on had called seemed everything. or which the inside, of erected Salt Hall head first only the the a was located building was had Hall in theatre exclusively May from especially at That for chosen It was Temple, to»be building beautiful, South Maude no houses Social interested thrilled the Hall! ward theatre was with were was Hall? was what in first working who there played drama especially us Since very Utah Social Social : of then, company, been The people in wagon. groups Theatre. University It by #1 at at in purpose for one any time 1862 and the down practically it rate, had in even about LOUISE HILL HOWE 1917, I idea. She MALONEE guess it was, began to wonder and used for renovated was a very deal. Miss fact, traveling, I She acquainted could get She'd bring person to with actors on New all you this a she New could You know traveled spent She wonderful building all loved frequently in Broadway. leave, old and China. York had theatre. she to went productions this small think especially Babcock if a resourceful In people. #1 York China and go money and was saw she great her and Off_she'd a be its always all the whenever she know. excitement back to her students, too. It was always trip she small theatre But in had she home had very Salt Why not the DS 3 That & It visited seating seen Lake that the now church. then others, Varsity exciting. only this one two about would vacant or be theatre three hundred the such a University building help of Dr. University opened in eastern Theatre, operation Hall the an Little in Social of on establishing truly Through time Chicago theatre president this At the enthusiastic Widtsoe, many very of a people. and came a place theatre. owned by John A. Utah, and 1918 featuring the theatre major. Players. was surely a wonderful was! It's time a to long 51 be a story if one goes into LOUISE HILL HOWE MALONEE #1 detail, but the LDS church allowed the university did to extensive use it if they remodeling and maintained the : : building. They remodeled Yes. A rooms, construction must have 5 : large been company domposed organized of a theatre? seating a in stage, a dream come "Thg three the true hundred; basement small but for Varsity drama adequate. Miss Babcock. Players" students and for a one stock or two professionals. University Theatre Unfortunately, Social available for then razed. What was the was located at the head built only was on Hall three its way. as it years turned and the out building was was reason? It been of room scenery, She imported 2 of more interior a Indeed. ‘The into beautiful dressing This it on busy State Street The of Motor Avénue. and Motor Avenue below South Belvedere was becoming Temple Hotel a very had busy street. Lots The of automobile theatre was companies. said by Eraffilclhazardiwand interesting Theatre was to also note torn commercial Mwas™ at tern’ this down 12 dewn point about interests in that eight to 1921. the years Salt later, be a ILt's Lake and LOUISE HILL HOWE since MALONEE Kingsbury Miss "B" years, Social So, Miss Mr. Yes. Maurice New had in Armour was an in Chicago. along this looking the for to engage to to Salt a come fine Did To he both actress, come play to experience Did she She to just play direct. in She in She note It name had Theatre I a so When Miss theatre. Ellen been the the war Browne B's good professional His wife, VonVolkenberg. May's her and by Maurice was of movement believe her with about and first wanted back England the Maude But the left giants. was performing each by had close, he was play also. dramas actor. Little else. and to three much Chicago, packing theatre? majors to have professionals. year? professionals to to had so man sponsored meat came of this brought interesting Lake and the do him a who the something fortune for started. heard Chicago was theatre again produce imported later It 1931, But to she have beginning Company, able Englishman, and stage. where first in until quality. I the a been just met York instrumental there was was Browne, to had Players. who B B built for classic Babcock Miss come of Varsity wasn't search Miss Hall Browne came to anyway, the Hall had at to #1 here 13 for that three Mr. years. Browne It is returned to LOUISE HILL HOWE London the MALONEE after even He to but year. There bringing So they Yes, could it Mr. join Browne a Oh I see was had be so got Lake. be followed many making a of us that their an each who Miss were B felt livelihoods inspiration, profession wonderful stayed and I me the was The Shaw. given but very I had really in would was. experience one play great year, he flattered was to played be in encouragement to for me. planned be asked Candida, that to by and work a Mr. toward career. splendid. It must have made you feel so good. ecstatic! you really have the No, Candida were right for the profession. Did you lead? was VonVolkenberg. woman had Bernard that's Maybe Salt a profession the truly company. professional was to only what company his George in were not Browne traveling to would Europe" professionals as who Over in America. getting theatre recognition expertise. and After in wide "Wings capable actors bring achieved remembered were theatre also here be in and remember other interested the war I publicity Yes, g the theatre. seemed #1 with whom played You see, by this a younger 14 man Mrs. is the falls Browne--by Ellen story older in of love; an but I at LOUISE HILL HOWE that MALONEE time would mathematics) "Prossy", : Did you #1 be (oh, someplace the around secretary--a mostly play did in those days. part, and so fun. young life I much had the burst into this one funny scene. That is Then I where down at with her her laugh, rehearsal hear no his feeling or typewriter and had the next You said group. I didn't get the he Did backing very many he play out to not to have the We be my the after tipsy and funny a scene she business very he sat hearty enjoyed in saw it, you could So it was very audience played dark a the react the show one each following week polished. have you join the of all, traveling accept? because he had front. would was offered accept some how from exited many, that theatre you too times in hearing I had something performance. while Prossy two time actress. did the the an you same then time Browne know, week, played a character of Mr. matter was first Anyway, you at the for one satisfying, way I that part. this every just 1laugh do old. experience had if juicy was encouraged. hat. and It was had me years However, applause wonderful she 18 very heady audience really make ingenue? Always a don't well, wanted, 15 so first they didn't he go. didn't But he LOUISE HILL HOWE urged me : school A MALONEE to come where I Seattle degree. I locally who but I Yes, about Well, felt not two when you did degree was with a called because it major needed I for my couple a stock an ingenue. and my go to delay company over, get to couldn't the it to financially from join my company I very oncé had much, again I education. of complete here at in more it your the years arts, was an I degree University performing dramatic actually I to go? and you years. B.A. They that Babcock a theatre university? offer maybe your this a that to advanced position. interrupt more an position talked have, then a Miss I for felt wanted and you in to should did I another and a not just came B What got not had Miss decided but I audition taken school, was and Seattle had correct, degree. an to he professional That's #1 of Utah, arts? think, at emphasis on the time drama and acting. You had your been parents anything Oh, I first at helped like had job so I ever Auerbach's that this many through getting you had not while you were part-time had your jobs. after department I in Yes, finished store. 16 had That a your degree part time by job, school? let me high was see, the school, was just great. I LOUISE HILL HOWE loved MALONEE that. baby clothes, learned. work, : : It At A day? I told I I department did -25 you English guess classes. It yould I the and a It meant half until out a I 9:00 on hated a selling course, However, open go. of that. missed could for Dr. but I Saturday day. in those or 10:00 lot that. of days every parties Later I had university. Quivey hour. Department was nothing back. stayed at per I way department do? papers cents knew dollar so work I infant I enjoyed a went never part-time I read rate, stores I the which night, because What of in earned you Saturday was any but #1 a Also, by senior was just " icalllbisthe™ Adam now by in the and S. time) “you" was needed to beginning TUA s department- Bennion they this the English I know, in the somebody take the suppose the (I extra of what teacher's assistants. For the teach freshmen coming beginning in they classes, needed whenever somebody there was to an overflow? Yes, So in were They English I. you the somebody? me to asked imagine how scared take I was one at 17 section. that. Well, I remember you looking can at LOUISE HILL HOWE those students should say Cowley g : MALONEE on a So he one mission You of or so, But in was the being so campus, Get I a can you deal. we It was to a year. I remember dancing at at the these not me out dance 1lot in how matinee too that it? lot keep days were of matinee way Park we to to Building. tried I also dances well get to avoid remember because my acquainted on dance. with of the matinees. being to a been know. College have I Matthew I worked wonderful them last we used I. think, is how a had to were, imagine great I don't right? Later sought I than that had, acting, do gym. a He to students, formed remember freshmen. the chance than older smart popular freshmen I missions, you remember when seemed students. older I my seal I. learned acquainted. That than I days. dances all the and called Plenty! they several those were happy of perhaps I presumed ahead and bigger was was #1 teacher. good friendships with those students. Then you after you had decided to try, ewase what Of timidNabouts would course I do. this _ completed to make Ehat I had would el no mean 18 your it into felt i f degree, a I what had profession? didn't make" it, backup. you'd have to either go to LOUISE HILL HOWE Chicago Yes, or you stock. the New had I a #1 York, to, stock a else, have perhaps of contract you could tried But I when teach at have getting because it. to East. well companies profession offered someplace or could local make I MALONEE I the played into truly one of wanted to graduated Murray in and High was School, signed. You were going And speech, to the teach two. English? I think we still called it oral who came expression. Probably, yes. But had there here to after the I'11 been Mr. Social have to end of this AL milghts one Browne, Hall and All right, we're with Louise Hill Cooley talking saying Oral about that companies; go. You were by interrupt tape we but the you we of on professionals name there, will of Clarence Menser, Mallonee. getting could perhaps to the into the stayed this decide 159 the first And program. have on We are at other the side. one] B of History Louise. start side side Howe trying the Theatre. [end L. of was what tape, this We is the have not your in the Everett just profession here talking itself, some best next been goal stock way to would LOUISE HILL be HOWE and MALONEE that teacher. you So Oh yes, he had a been He at Chicago. Social ingenue. had made me more could become we from here? You just tell you that go was about as to both a member a of and soon returned organized some a He have me all one me taken along year and independent department to his had and me to New the East had a little but I me in group of in to York, Coast. was the home played asked an for in Chautauqua whom wrote and interested a of teacher the very would teaching you was he taken where he Theatre. have been be people That I Hall to But Later Hall would Social stage professional did Menser. time. professional degree name. remained short a where man's Clarence actor. a had Louise, introduced IM: #1 the be the and By it now money I which engaged to be torige out of married. WMz ohsandi Salt sol Lake IM: No, I WM: Oh, did IM: I yeutisaild, ! “NoWE!mEnotr City"? signed the decided that to up preferred I the contract. you? signed make goingy my to preferred contract this was mind do for and the now. for only life. later had second crossroads It wasn't the After 20 next some a and thoughts, I had question year but soul of really what rather I what searching, I LOUISE HILL HOWE finally MALONEE decided Menser and You to IM: WM: IM: He were him was such an opportunity. Was it the summer, a just yes, time one were were a probably great the life. This was IM: I WM: At high IM: At Murray about married our he felt however. High R. I Clarence release me from the hold you and they did. didn't for it would me. I had wanted traveled during came-- you have E. '21. here School last Chautauquas seasons good at They actors I must object that time, brought drama played make a while in definite the plan for man to who but a years after. and in teaching. Murray, and I we teaching? was we girl, 21 plays lived your because children; two Murray? temporary stopped taught producing a didn't two I in Howe, was Many thought there. I their the entertainment. home it know 19--? in school married when you towns. whole WM: But of for had that confusion on form small my of summer; But We guess, season, Chautauquas. He to or?-- just they And could I wrote contract. was made he So understanding I It was if very Yes. Oh marriage. fortunate, your to g : upon asked contract. WM: #1 glad wanted when to Rosemary, I resigned, have who a family. 1is now LOUISE HILL HOWE Mrs. Frank boy MALONEE who Christensen is school Richard just Navy-World years in II. was he went then later School of Music. Francisco A Oh yes, And a your a a lot of a family. Well piano When Julliard School He is now of he came of from high the U.S. for for a number back Music, from of the graduated doctorate from the of Dean one Eastman the San Music. good one. year the career world, She with she lives Pan chose with American to her get where married husband and she and two saw raise children Diego. we been know a radio work? About ten course, Phi But most former personality. Alpha studied had school? very two San service his I graduated into received Diego. daughter? After in He had Conservatory professional Howe. go San talented. to there, in to He very lives E. time War and service #1 about student When did after years occasionally dramatic in the you, you my even of get I yours, do as interested after I I in had married productions twenties--I 22 least marriage. fraternity late at should as having a radio doing played, with when tell any of Theta I could. you this LOUISE HILL HOWE before MALONEE I tell that. I had home town in started a local I when my about Murray, New children little bit activity. kitchen and in all back been and played years. Now this fairly small, but in get eager no longer you're dusting and your for and the whenever would those be days children some get kind satisfied the to their at there two as to returned leads But led professionally They I played you the it came Murray affordable. seems work theatre. about older It in were was who having there. for because after company house radio students York stock help the former manage domestic a two movie could you of engaged #1 of with vacuuming the and so on. Sounds Now like I had career, was a no but a Valley maybe '29 add that few theatre intoNal Was it I out that that in Salt showhouse was called never mementos sure been that a I of the old Wilkes At had am 23 a there called "The many names, It speaking those into time Playhouse. accidentally Theatre? going that years). recordkeeper. box"buttthat¥saaiil this of Lake has The Playhouse". not time way. this (I'm have lament. at company Now, time "Promised 1928 worked stock that usual intention it Playhouse." at woman's I found but is now of about I should have their some way LOUISE HILL At HOWE one Yes, MALONEE time it had But in was a and taken boys was, all yes. kinds of the late twenties very good stock to that The it #1 meet had stock it was The company. some started company names. out of I that Playhouse had been company the stock in Murray? and it introduced through these company. Yes. Was Oh this the Moroni no,-I've forgotten his own company. Did you play Often, he after I Olson with came had players? to mention that group one season for graduated, Moroni Olson. He had This was too? but to I Social still Hall. returned to play Players were 5 : occasionally. He must have Very. One known throughout Victor No, of been Jory not to traveling Lake stock. Utah's the The west. my knowledge. him. He The Jory Gladys George and many years by this time--late York, a big was Gladys Victor for actor. Moroni company. George New best. with company in important was stock was an a fine, Olson was Ben a players favorite Erway Salt '20s--had left in fine actor. George? in star 24 Olson New had in their Lake. Salt York. were And a Salt own Gladys Lake and Victor LOUISE HILL HOWE Jory of stage MALONEE course and Yes, : : 5 could motion that have I don't Oh, I I had a my New York because it and failed, didn't both on by Hill Howe something that too. remember have the sidewalk and audition after to be In regretting I had had in I fact, happy many such Wcasting it too much. friends to and be to be a show was one year at a I who I for go of a part. performer, exhausting. that enough on the but 'the world, the Tell go tried knew 'eut day to had aggressive ¥to' think tried lives. every hope remember anything, unhappy rounds never I hadn't Foffices), those there can if that so audition was and personality make glamour 1life very and toltvis it " those the career Louise passed her, decision. to get Probably had to full I was to outstanding you? time The she never a I very pictures. happened regretting many a maybe know, don't No, had movies. in thought #1 us work about Playhouse. Well, I played number of Barnes was lady. were filled This no Playhouse interesting parts. the man--Lorene stock local in The when leading company people had in needed. 25 it A come man by Lane, from except with the name the Denver those quite a of leading and of there us who LOUISE HILL HOWE WM: Can you ILM: If given play in MALONEE remember I a with Josie talent 1930. Goff, uh and huh. a any George the plays? rate this last Washington. run talent they worked and Goff. At that time quarters were atop Union Erma Bitner agency, in through KSL; KSL some was It was who was partnership the "B broadcasting and from building. talked to the because in began work quarters later to went at in larger KSL in the 1931, Vermont studios in the Ted the Kimball Vermont yesterday. Building, He said in 1931 thing that the same G thought saying. the stock company Playhouse it was willing had first Building. with were I attractive they Pacific you're when in Building, were During had Although they at about at the Pacific? Right. Back Well, of —SEae temporary they names Goff-- agency —SF8 it play and the time. studio--Bitner Union of agency? CH=RoN I a of KSL A talent G" was February at any little did then A #1 to be would days. be Washington's to late do at it. Now night 26 a B & good thing birthday and in to after order the show to all the play broadcast the schedule closed. actors this, So we LOUISE HILL HOWE all MALONEE went when I over to think people #1 KSL about were at the it closing because listening. It I would curtain. I doubt if be least at smile very many eleven o'clock. Maybe one of the Undoubtedly, didn't we was when a anything stood a little have home hard been 3 So none No no, of we you me own program Hour. day. It said But was was a an you they "Yes." know talks, (I later how or to in program, kinds to said, 27 that "Well it that was must they are no of feet from that broadcasting Mrs. do called program were in-laws, what six spring, like beginning there there mike? knew was always my bad weren't four all instance, middle and we fidelity. miscellaneous were said, would hour the they that which in rate, For and the been I any family the Later at my knew Nobody how KSL singing, suppose I have me on This show; have least. asked and microphones technique. and I approached must at was, hear." didn't microphone its to room asked it But broadcasting. the I because They & today. about how broadcast? (laughter) around microphone. I got plays locally. know just first Goff called something the on a Observatory the middle sort of a features. think of "Yes" before copyright had radio of the variety Well, drama, I so thinking.) rules at that LOUISE HILL HOWE time, so MALONEE I took #1 a one act play that had three women in TR WM: Did IM: I adapted (I you adapt it don't voice it? for know into radio how these and did all three I did it) trying well different parts, characters. to trying, change Well my after that broadcast-- WM: Were IM: Oh you yes. your Of network you WM: EM: call in That was You radio me to do some still that I by or the three a more, 1ittlé to do your I to enough bit The and Observatory adapting time effect. announcers the this knew a desired two on always so get of listened of what studio then did. the I male would parts. Hour. own material? ¥esqt WM: Getting IM: VYes, actors if I anything from to difficult. Who was The manager the appearances a These owner at man. of however, was the announcers? The station like suitable KSL, time of more for that on staff were search was director, the needed long. necessary ; : I'd drama do to were director? course, should asked own or was at Earl Shipley Observatory 28 didn't sketches, short least J. the Glade. he it was vignettes. Burton. Hour so want It manager? The program After asked a me few if I LOUISE HILL HOWE 5 : would MALONEE like to "Yes," never it. At that and John" So you No, myself was do time was a moved casts, had by to I worked beginning musical to sound think everything I the networks be had beginning Well radio anything other Then do much to the them (of which we there this was than you get my was a found program. we It realized drama, just tried Radio up, I so we hour. I did But so "Mary program? you all rate a very began, to have that wuniversity. possibly the of actors string. (if any half evening the effects did. was with. ask shoe could from begin I these because drama scratch. interludes required had a do later. radio from at called weekly to at But with said possibly show that evening. just on on I drama? an would could time early work, and day I again But to time time how immediately that prime started a and drama. enough almost of More first minutes were Yes, air. for wasn't_time idea unit scheduled program minute the first fifteen an the not the this weekly 15 on that Was a having were but #1 I small knew Oh, we dramas required hands they none) know. and So on little and were properly), had and I about we read what material new art form that very few stations a little to was bottom. new and probably 219 news doing coverage LOUISE HILL HOWE MALONEE #1 basically. IM: Yes, but listener did the in If idea a IM: drama not the character it WM: every too. But had see, but minds of saw had Completely different Your major role or a director At first in or to very WM: But prepared IM: Adapted you directed did little for it. the problem--the exciting. they got imitate be So you implanted with dialogue. the of all listener you the had were the to see seeing it. mind. then, either as an actress own As whole involved. we of these, because we were money. scripts stories I look project at Some the of needed. still? and back, short I grew. aspects engineers sounds heard. say technical The something listeners this, short acted. But the drama your radio and to just to all adapted writer? had getting be something, you it to don't The station Some But were built know acting were. them plays, and how was it no was interested, contraptions sounds we I discovered to by accident. WM: What IM: Oh about yes, we rehearsal microphone microphone rehearsals? had time, for and rehearsal but that rehearsal you had to 30 time. meant They that time. have an would you That extra had would studio allow to tie us have a up a in which LOUISE HILL you : : go HOWE MALONEE #1 could listen, so on the could didn't Oh, yes, it as you could get at know about the other I don't have was even well KSL always had the that was available. So, they were well recordings WM: And IM: Well IM: Yes, it almost Joseph Is sound was my Smith this the the weekly program going to and lots of eager to new, very new, of the?-- Speech is was called show I should like only known us as the the KSL beginning. <l on to drama they was in easier, called é sound was the Lake. chance they at KSL, radio. loved For Chairman. stress KSL concerned, Salt a buy, became we KSL on could Acting Department drama the I know people. of not but and head hour stations, have former as thing. what talented were one that talent very studio? That's things play. This they Later, to enduring. Yes as time most what far found years. was as time. available. choice former half nineteen was microphones equipment effects was the radio best were probably yes, I had WM: of There all what well-equipped that equipped. machine easiest. a equipped; that effect hear air. Probably good ; : you for it. instance I had eighteen that but this it So a or drama was the from the players? players right LOUISE WM: HILL HOWE Did you MALONEE have cast every That was actors We like usual became Paid a repertory group, or did you have to character? the were #1 "regulars." paid per procedure. by the We However, many free-lanced in of those the days. program. program. They were not under contract with / KSL? No, not then. and was paid broadcast paid But a a on I salary. several became But, other a of member course, programs as of I the staff directed well when I and was retainer. before?-- Before, you actors the had KSL would to Yes, to was in companies these many fold. talented KSL only was on a networks. by just were closing actors working actors the few staff years When I came then was all first 32 over home with especially he first came remember, and the when Joseph to announcers left you the a part I When of place. available? and returned as Most playing times, were Strong who so Kearns. Depression Leonard program. "moonlighting." Joseph fine actors the full-time, to mention it all paid jobs Players KSL So were other like stock at Later as Kearns Salt as theatres Lake. well many struggling were Both as KSL two worked actors others at began did for for Joseph LOUISE HILL HOWE Kearns MALONEE was a excellent, great anything, he very adept an audition he became a he to possible that's had She, by was not us I if can it this I her. was them If for you up as could was he few death came KSL. he Wagstaff She a he enjoyed made a "work needed So years Gladys was all creating from, his She an something. a mention sitting time, after scripts; He When found until was Particularly quality. years He versatile. I'd must many call taking voice I knew get meant so dramas. anything. where for to my However, coast wrote all KSL, career. for it, at the who changing to and play partner. successful Pinney actor could at my returned addition excellent do for #1 it horse"; script, she scripts? She night. her you own had, and adapting them? No. So She was hers were Original, drain, a we position country. to who they Most of But very But Were scripts original? yes. so anybody creative. do a half often so, did could turn them. needed Not bought from she first-rate hour of so per scripts, other most out drama when writers it. much fieek I've we diSival got around never in the seen work. scripts? a perfect doctoring, 33 but record. in the Sometimes main they her were S : LOUISE HILL HOWE good scripts. were amazed At how How MALONEE At really. any and popular many #1 rate, we had surprised at the your people We program you good mail we ratings. We received. was? listened, grew, very it see, was just and were inconceivable, able to get you sponsors. By that time Oh yes, it How much, had a half probably all how hour to put Yes, we would then the more hours Were you Mostly to that I in to and audiences imagine these that plays get a of or in some one from when was were get in was days of hours, maybe and three shape. not all maybe place the to together. Our before Orpheum we did Literary of for to special. season interesting necessary anybody at one 34 two work public put mean would it Ladies' plays, say three something for you maybe show series the maybe If these? only part, Then those for couldn't did movies. of paid--? show? day all we that broadcast order where We you preparation? hour one the originated most how of directing between in work in would half directing audience. with a particular often hours show, on day play, amount grew. many work the me fill plays a live Theatre our Club. shows I acted them. the audience to see LOUISE HILL HOWE Yes. Now MALONEE they Was Parley Yes yes, I the Baer war and Oh jobs honestly in also Parley a A became at stilll » Carl KSL to and go one of in Strong, Joseph in He came came here during were good actors were so many of steadies. a while. Broman Hellyweed,' player. there the once important they on, frequent Grayson. fellows versatile--Ed in" and those, of it. players? Leonard lot was very KSL of But commercials very the prominent I hate Urry mechanics of all. got him He's Baer, war. I was member the Francis He the mentioned them. see see them I've during too. a name Kearns, here could Parley can't #1 and motion deing Parley Baer. pictures. "'bothi £ilms " and television. Was there Yes, She no Leora left, made a that Thatcher and of a must say outstanding? one who career it Stallings, I was for made career Laverne men, woman both we on a career Broadway. here called were made and on steadier in her in of Donna New very the cast think of it. Jones York. And often. The than the women. Probably Even if people. could freer I had There imagine to take jobs, too. I could not time were all hundreds those 35 of them years, of all course. coming and these If you going, LOUISE HILL HOWE leaving MALONEE town. Eighteeglyears. feel 1like training g Oh, in to they go had finding New no trouble work other and York. experience. Curtis Malcolm won did Oh a that You but being at all Louise, a took by good don't in do you kind of advantage you radio? lot can Award of get and of feel They an many, work, Wayne of his [END OF 36 you TAPE] had the that had a it go talent) gave to if you've many of them. Richards, roles went in to The them Hollywood agent course, four who yes, when were Keene, for (those places matters there Meecham. a Tony it, was You before, something on here them? had back elsewhere. experience, or look did for they'd them you they ground gave chance As what experience you #1 Ed New had Keene Broman, York and Rothchilds. LOUISE HILL ON FEBRUARY WM: I'm HOWE MALLONEE INTERVIEWED BY WINNEFRED MARGETTS 21, 1985. THIS IS TAPE #2, INTERVIEW #1. talking been with telling us the radio for had come with very important Curtis the he good If I to win of went back on those on from East, who Salt becoming either just Award. has performed some have a Tony named Who are in Keene some of Louise? with, it would a little problem. great deal he Doing when came in to sixteen that who She profession, You me about at pictures. on us and their them. first was voice a a telling in Mallonee. Players about gives when he went KSL particularly stars worked think used jobs, people, I've this I who the Howe experience in motion other That to other Hill years, some to or about many Lake radio Louise time. this KSL little time extemporaneously like Keith was an old, became me I of course, remember audition. but an a Engar, young. for years He take he had announcer I him think a mature and he was actor. remember rightly he was a page at KSL for his very the very EirstaslobFisithatizight? Yes. He beginning been was an just and, of associated Engar. Maybe title is very and course, with Keith interesting we fellow throughout from the years I have Keith. should briefly, &7/ say what here what his he's done here current at the LOUISE HILL HOWE university. MALONEE #2 Can tell He was doing a he was going to get his do lot came university under Speech Dr. area in the head of KUED. is A lot into of Louise, at at of age. players, a to 1962 and it all He So that over was a came he to head of the year) of the of the television manager that he the to went theatre. Arts career from before became Fine particularly to head from of Paris exact the then to came the while east to then director School go Lees, brief, artistic the you and took Department. make he Lowell He KSL television tell (C. to went returned can't 1962--). a broad the as in he at at the follow. because working he went with you, KSL. you on (I television, I think still that he Lees of possibly KSL After research Utah. and early I left beginnings, that's an feel Dean his radio Well, To chairman University He 1943 Speech now university. Lowell department He there When Department, being me taught Theatre to work that? with and back. and us degree. studying finally of the doctor's some but you I'd can. deserve kind part-time of statement. like to I recognized take more his talent credit than I [laughter] it. Now things we that a part-time employee. 38 talked you were basis What quite a bit doing down and about being when you about there, paid only finally LOUISE HILL HOWE MALONEE #2 came here to the University here? Why did you make the of Utah? change? Who Tell brought us you these kinds effthingss First of of the of KSL launder a iot us Then would Uh huh and it was over, maintained Luacine directed a along many the Fox KSL many kinds for quite told people years. That washer and it how took company. was documentaries necessary and public I a time that I a very big more in directed kind fine Salt some Pearl of too, the a and dramas. City. until we still at lot on and KSL at them. I also I--you see, did perhaps Mrs. were of program. they "Mary up There drama Later programs Lake 39 of children's coverage, but drama. mention programs. local Harbor program kinds could children's quite after different wish had '42. players doing some stations our did programs, Bitner early for came 1941, of we time. local even member different program I my working be most people had in a many broadcasting things. war become programs. That that did directing began clothes many, I interview many the do that began an study, to service other and had their of say I also many, [laughter] Yes. I Oh, to the at programs. for should programs. awhile. we I staff kinds of all, a than Goff John" and lot of any of Mrs. (we're LOUISE HILL HOWE going back conceived popular S MALONEE that to the program very and beginning) directed it. Mrs. It was Goff a most The KSL "Mary and program. This was Sort of, Players John" now #2 a soap opera, yes. It was presented was was daily. not sure, But you more It "Mary a and serial, a complete than have continued. drama weekly, might John"? each but been I weak. don't three know times a that week. it I'm sorry. were not directly involved in that particular-- 2 I played occasionally character. Apparently Greenwood who think that I not was our an I you've time you me all the Using Using I did and spoken of to in occasionally that talent, when some they needed I had a voice similar Mary, because many but I said, play some John." the wasn't. there were never years. university, at I was that came and of 40 to Phyllis sorry still to say similarities when was That they in needed a regular. was about is that correct? in close contact the with time. from I another people I'm voices I war thirties people talent the the the speech the I "Mary came see, Mary, As But on Now, Let was Mary. voices. extra played when there? also teachers would went out substitute of town in LOUISE HILL the HOWE MALONEE Speech would and teach Theatre classes. master's degree. I work could downtown. very little part, For not Yes, Horsfall, became if I "Well, night needed of course very to the classes in in use he'd minded the Radio for have a time lot in of radio I came in a late a mean to a special interested the group. knowing is, a microphone something Dr. had can get gave me Union a the oral speaking? about using (Dr. Division, I. which Education) courses, some the Pacific if use of Building and later I I did me would about. I always KSL, one a Owen asked inquiry studios." Broadcasting 41 for Horsfall extension I shows I'd who my thought have that talks Continuing if I professionals, Extension of get radio might I part. know some yes, civic there be remember that my broadcasting--that to I teach said, studios radio Division a mean to production Dean teach being began degree. interested speak Well, would At to needed the it. occasionally they microphone. I give about they or to the when who should sometimes very don't I with had people bit I B.A. because I began Occasionally, that in program but people my study easy Now, studio of had becoming broadcasting. Lots decided just morning were educators, I wasn't program, people radio I department. graduate It early evening #2 of their to that have for LOUISE HILL two HOWE or #2 years there three In M.A. MALONEE the I meantime, had devised broadcasting. decided to Speech" is at add a that by a The more some INENUSOEE Ehink S that Department. Now, director, to head come But to the first division That's you under I term was the because radio' weren't Joseph Smith That's about it class Utah U "Radio So of department. of technical firsty my radio U we techniques. when out teaching at anything the taken schedule. ©University this the had for microphone the of studios. their descriptive just at 1938, to teaching established KSL Department area production, TER the curriculum Speech this time at was twas Speech was the how I happened the Extension university. were Dr. teaching I. Owen through Horsfall. right. You had not No. I was was getting had doing my a faculty appointment part-time M.A. I teaching was doing per se. the time all part-time that I teaching in a what, an Interpretation. When did you assistant It was professor, in : Associate Then it finally '38 as an get an or was appointment, it an Instructor. as instructor? I later became an Professor. was under Joseph Smith, 42 Professor Smith, that LOUISE HILL HOWE you started Yes, true. You had MALONEE at No, not did a did. to at of we maybe be worked were hired What kind at that was which put on a them, too teacher and '39. it he there Hall cleaned under out walls, good was broadcasting room with We stayed a of You there 43 big for we take knew that sometime thing. It the students were probably right? had just one to get classes in. class some This storerooms, stairs listening a work stations. in remodeled. a still cooperative. two-way window two or took three a basement, good cut of actually, the room; and kind Soundproofing microphones, room rooms. not would They many two the and most with put were I of had, Smith could tapings offer? began One two sort we we radio'would because Joseph but the purchased. to on but class future. speaking way before were the you first, Kingsbury to did at probably even were classes Yes, time, They radio radio little in and the only but KSL, of the in eye all of teacher? comparable, through there. an that in wasn't recordings valuable out studios It down trained a equipment, things had as right? wanted too people and KSL, students They university first. lot If the the studio comparable #2 was equipment one room was between the years. Now, LOUISE HILL I'll HOWE tell you, was very 2 .. g There into the they were Did I studios a just being two to the The build east There made side. With Richard helped Frank help of Evans (not So Good studios then. Yes. We a recording come it know was pop out back, but began. sections one class. when the Dr. Lees) little were of the under those side many later, were in how just Then these is, two The new we make-shift surprisingly Kingsbury was good. Hall, finally control and 44 east But two rooms advice build a to were they the were design at I KSL. designed. engineer, some-- with later but were side. them. technician Evans) had room the helped then L. of engineers knowledge Richard equipment rooms. much who his rooms KSL with we 2 also. had it three Gates ks helped We'd rooms. That studios. They the I don't one actually into remember and rooms. side? were them. those any. where acoustics radio in students? (now the if oxygen called. rooms, east of overrun Finally breath that's first built although On lot was studios, taken little and at to ventilation classes. it were hard a days sure Speech were get good I'm Radio to attract had. was little good I had #2 it hall you Yes, MALONEE all tape the equipment, equipment. We LOUISE HILL HOWE followed 5 : always MALONEE along with almost Yes, you had just had to do it. order to go out had training. And they had television new didn't You inventions, to and it and they could imagine broaden At play that There waé be played see and hear this was something your order they were experience teach? they Then time much had later KSL, to I once the You to kinescope back their to broadcasting. recordings. too. could in professionals make cooperative. you, couldn't as classes, days, I to, to. the wés the installed. You In #2 have began again, in those students so a to performances. that too gave you because chance now you university and could become-- Well, for yes. I quite a worked number broadcasting then to go how for Street That go easy shows down it was and me, an park, I very was In to those park. I Deseret I had News think, timer I am. run up the 45 to I'm a It a then made studios. and back thinking parking place on dollars KSL class, come just there three old teach and days at teaching often broadcasting the cost what for the years. would class. behind that I KSL another very paid to at of both. down teach both I Richard a month. it easy. By this I'd time LOUISE HILL KSL HOWE was in studios. early, think MALONEE the KSL but when a the in licenses for on, material and expansion So But they did have KSL had a I think. the They time just submerged Just like it Yes. It had whether I I that camera. But for about How did you way was years learn we Just the best equipment, war. the Then, necessary went commercial had toward television The were freeze experimenting was lifted Television for and in '48, a long my mind out. later. to I in I had continue to the could the make up learning broadcast over producing two get I thirteen that the Everything they couldn't I only nation not no frozen. radio. a comeback production. were before telecasting. died wanted thought and time. began made were very their-- license, all was enlarged television the could there whatsoever. up there ceased. broadcasting keeping that they with licenses broadcasting was effort. for throughout war war all saying stations Building license war the the : : Pacific acquired right television secured Union during I'm #2 on as hill have early television television, I being on as far done, and did some years. it? learned radio. experimentation, 46 KSL had the rehearsals. equipment, You just LOUISE HILL HOWE MALONEE #2 E : had-- Just Uh had huh. from WM: savvy. Then the Let's you jobs, up Yes. WM: The the university to done four two nights playing invalil Yefethis? Well, me I because number you of an become shows he the shows; Utah of the changing there was week. What part could. he year, It needed whereas once two of in brought at carrying time like. the I this head explosion through after of University had was of whenever with was we playing a had them great did you to big play difficult jobs, but I did Fashion the first for play a shows. WM: Did IM: At Kingsbury? WM: Uh huh. IM: No. play WM: Didn't IM: Oh, I opened yes, Lees all All and interest All week played KSL theatre shows television Louise. created fill each. season bit, the of KSL. Lowell and number both almost talent maybe IM: He a over little C. excitement have quite working 1943 department. IM: a are by what did university back that I you a in at play lot. the opening Pioneer some in I played Memorial Theatre, Kingsbury with 47 State but show? not the-- Hall? of the Union, Paris LOUISE HILL HOWE MALONEE Bound, much theatre. When Lowell community of the people for one of would wasn't ask paid or screen, time? he you the had prior that was players and brought stars, But not right No, not right never Is just a to bringing play, but and in he you not some paid "I or have even say, also. casts, didn't would part Playbox student Weren't a at at to Paris plays with you you Weren't for to to be have to want you never work people York. the paid. first, list no. all N ENdondtthinlc who For I played the straight shows parts, part were many I Bound with Harry a great that I've leading that all. Equity years liked you deal; that he done I've but remember? State of the Union. Allen, Lila we Eccles were you? No. 48 never those were a show I early Brimhall? in I women. Lees. with I first? them Dr. know New was know. particular play those from I theatré except you loved liked to came played there Did paid tried usually me anything anybody Do he in this the assign lot play2" They I all a and stage ones just did came from the I casts, talent audition, ta first stars scout #2 together? LOUISE HILL HOWE WM: You were ILM: I never #2 co-faculty remember different Yesy MALONEE members playing kinds of colleagues. in parts. a show It's with her. strange, She very played strange-- dtpis. --that we brought didn't a meet good many opposite a male star. to in bring remember both a in play. stars. They I woman Packer, the wish I remember could couple of shows, not role with Judith as years, they very often play afford and comedy, the later would Penny I In couldn't leading (Well, major a a Evelyn more.) who that leading with leading at Gene I man. played in I Rayburn. woman, came time in a in a shows I but two think. Joan No. of I lorraine, wasn't in was that one that you were in? that. Janus? Janus. Yes, things leave You I played in Janus, uh huh. It's funny how you. eventually became a full-time faculty member Lees became head of the department? Yes. Was this not department? your No, time it was Was Lowell until that when you started devoting of all the of to-before. Yes, I 49 became full-time even though LOUISE HILL I HOWE was MALONEE still broadcasting. question about hired two by ever so that it in the No pay? Oh no, was no hours. Did you an in with credit, were a good job? Nobody think that it required do but I a person university than worked but took a it to teach was felt my time from enough that in hours teacher, be they long for to that taking credit as some still we no always for rather got was possible my Goodness, we There this, eventually, you any way. and have reduced hours the hours number because you television and theatre? wasn't radio and doing asset work. not hours It my pay,-no and it employers thsatre, were Is coordinated university of that. questioned well #2 until I programs began for producing the some wuniversity that that was considered. Part of Yes, part teaching of my acting in part, a and compensation know. that There I have no was been instance--now load? teaching that anything But No your you did there was we bought money at around this load is 50 reduced. the no compensation? our that own time. seen stage, university on I have not was so official, clothes During much I you too, the years change. heard this. For I LOUISE HILL think HOWE some today of often hundred my you'd So that kind absolutely Pioneer Memorial hundred thirty thousand dollars. have hours and had of more. contributed. They experience hours never to and money of? is You But one built the but many because get used a on of of any wardrobe. borrowed now They or artist to spent Theatre that, stage around props? that in hours. a back scrounge borrow unheard Maybe any I was always yes. the everybody we oh at thousand time I know Yes, one spent limited And cost I didn't and kind. shows then scenery. #2 the fifty But did MALONEE from us. theatre minimum was at that time? Just unheard I'm off the was reading written a 3 2 doesn't One That time you now just ago. to know a entirely, historical dollars and here's It the not a eventually cost much one Lake put ago that building to Maybe long paper Salt a massive that costs but notes, build what comparison. I'd hundred Theatre that on I a was. show, it? show. shows money, KSL, some sometimes it Now, Now subject long thousand downtown of. and to get the difference everything back, when else, I Sl in our doesn't decided economy, it? that I I rate finally would of left confine : : LOUISE HILL HOWE MALONEE my professional So you left work television. I uht Television after decided out of What was the if had I the two that that years better advent thought thought about just S with not. It radio was in of nerve- television, took a great you. but wracking, but I'd Fhuhi was--I working that deal sound, teaching. RS TP nerve-wracking, wracking, to KSL? EREN1S9SORNENe fE was #2 difference when what you were between, say the obviously it kinds was far of things sight more and nerve- you had to face? I'm talking directing the quite the were now a Of people Still, giving doing. television. By more and was have to choose directions cameras much viewer talks timing, demanding. for 52 has to me. doing heard at it a But KUED little you see, and in were saw they in bit you be taking the most You have to give for to but whatever engineer. directions It only will your were doing on room broadcaster things screen. to we or that a not was easier the control as some I camera for the things did constantly second very the time much the view the I that in so their Later, it not course, limited. split being program, studio. desirable of be found the maneuvering the done I so fast and LOUISE HILL so HOWE MALONEE smoothly. I tension was #2 just thought that I didn't want to learn e The I thought Were No. I time we I was also still had doing some were for radio. was about was very fine musicians you didn't It was live Junior to of I did We did two "Up of worked also was to direct work with group Down musicians; very hard on artists' use recordings, you used other also dispensed chapters throughout matter the of these and they United fact, 53 were States we won girls. Scales." stories an We had talent? all played on They works. each records them the live recorded the programs that. the we that musicians. demonstrate and that of is, I still of that famous By Utah series and and of to League a I excellent years We theatre, assigned and an young early music, As was called, children. So programs. either classes. classes. I had more University programs, story for the writers. One the stations teaching extension extension They good the country only little some at radio were The to a shows. years. They do did radio League many to studios accommodate That you? yourself able would for for television? Then Junior : 1limiting or did. great so. you radio too program. over on the many educational award for "Up LOUISE HILL HOWE and Down the Air year the we #2 Scales". was they later MALONEE a very At that time prominent gave different did thirteen the Ohio educational kinds of shows School center. awards. about of Each Two years mythology for 5 : children. Dramatized? Yes, dramatized. very, very well. This also won for children. the a scripts national and award did for an was series That v Young." the through not was This KSL? of out wrote Was World the "When was This girls program educational called, The university? the used You but recorded at broadcast on students you the talent, university was were series KSL, at broadcast and Young" Was both studios, University recorded World the "When later was series first The KSL. had had? it was talent. and good a good very control technician. musician The had We for equipment good room, I remember "When the it and that World organist? 54 Was parts The talent. professional pretty played themselves League Junior the sometimes and talent, outside also but Yes, was at most of paid league the the university to Cundick Young." in but possible Robert those hire was a the LOUISE IM: HILL Yes. HOWE He MALONEE was Everybody Jjust knows #2 beginning he became used the organ Down the Scales" was wife, the Shaws, and Then after did The last at Was a it was "Number I did children's at sounds like a Mallonee seems of to Muppets" the by in has did show. Vern side the just her a of "Up and husband professionals. to be produce some programs. OF SIDE tape Everett who for Ehreel Street." That's They been had why the puppets and you was with KUED, said one 55 of us at a about the "Sesame they any of the--? had Hill History the Howe Project. last three university, that children's the that were Street." Louise Oral to here of "Sesame ONE] two talking on of Cooley Incidentally, Adix Sunny Seven. forerunner forerunner because think it. appointment a I Seven Street." of program for, Channel Sunny good B lasted on very is she team educational "Number [END years piano for We show? show Seven became Louise a talented! organist. music continued KUED, called, children's This The recognized still programs program It That by both So tabernacle Hall. played I career. you? years. A the Kingsbury this, television Oh, in his program. Street" used those or It "The puppets puppets in built LOUISE IM: HILL HOWE the Did they? created We've been about of what I They the are they doing almost hate to were extemporaneous now. Paul hears worker him on He's a Yes, they're that when portable taking and Then they we'd Ted listen he you what did they and were to name do, and was now of course, They They some my in or mind radio. everybody 2. did back to and student. a for KSL, I a would games come also the to Channel suggestions at more he? report give come pupils students. and is star announcers. stadium and this that on isn't correspondent Isn't like and, Marcroft and the our taught were Capener Washington time. at microphone the I'd those of sports recorder place one Bill both people. courses because just announcer, sports off took and people ever KSL. that they and was I been clever now? name less very students. as Who some we've people Louise James had while those. Hardest 8 : of with some them. them. talking some active #2 built girls No, They MALONEE think university? lot take that the of the were studio criticisms. a He was for a long Yes? New appointment? Yes, he is vice-president believe. 56 for public affairs, I LOUISE IM: HILL HOWE Public affairs, student. He MALONEE was Bill at very advertising girl, she Lee Roy Yes, he to a professor IM: he Yes. Allen has was department head of Frank has also Well, it's just to able to some now lives and KSL-TV. her Another Salt is I own student in he good that time. excellent pupil, news at Boynton, and Lake now in the he? associate was very girl an isn't the a A for She a star an also. had communications, was business. was either in Four, and was administration Marie career. Gibson is Ann Brockbank, Communications WM: in Hill broadcasting agency on Duane is well, Craig went City. right. Murdock good remember #2 but professor or I at believe department, for some difficult, a Channel wasn't time to full he? in recall the all of them. WM: Difficult at IM: be determine what they are doing present. Yes, and so many, many more I'm hearing about all the students as time. WM: But these are ; 8 undergraduates people at the that started as university? Yes. You gave them early training, and they have been able to==2 IM: Yes, I'm not completely responsible 57 for their talent, LOUISE HILL : : you I HOWE MALONEE know. think They you're had people. There are last of two for Then you three of how suppose it tape, many would years be we're we here how and all at many very want Louise. to First the twenty-five under Thomas but questions this worked President teachers, or section worked modest. a lot those I #2 proud ask of on of the all, you university? years in all. presidents? President Olpin, they were the two. What about chance Yes, to I What those meet did. I are two your the understood by speak you most He would in were his I the you of about what ever get a you me you not him, friendly be well always But to. him to éaw? him wouldn't expect of completely know and talking to style changes along interesting, to their didn't would and well. was who walk office appeared fairly think, as understanding, always them people sort cordially as knew university, Thomas, he I observations President because Did them? think administering gentlemen? he if was man. quite distant, unapproachable. Yes, you would think that 58 because he had that outward a LOUISE HILL HOWE manner You I had MALONEE think, #2 looked occasions severe. where you needed to visit in his office? Yes, quite often. I the school wasn't quite would have a communicate What on I be in large as intimacy your your perhaps as greater with would think and those days, it today, is more when you chance to president. estimate of the number of students campus? don't know at all. I wouldn't give a even guess. I'd like to check. Yeah, I would guess. student, and this was in thousand students and when there quite Yes. the were a at few tops I know I came here there were about came twenty-three back as thousand. So a as a four teacher there were there was a great jump right after war. was Dr. Thomas, early forties, Cowles came He in president. We had because was undergoing president even before and he that. left in Then the LeRoy for--2 an he as maybe was was 1939, I there. Well, This Yes. When intermediate quite a bit president quite a of while president conversation the transition. 59 or speech It was acting with him department at the time LOUISE HILL the MALONEE #2 department, so we had a lot new head conversation with Joseph left a choose to trying was administration the when of HOWE of him. World the War II years, chairmanship Yes, and there of Lowell where Gail The men who didn't Many them. So of you were Quite a the department. came were in when in; Plummer chairman. service that's Lees temporary other and but was the there the Smith was a chairman, department went year the into the they? bereft number of of a number them. of That was your a faculty members. difficult time for everybody. During that transitional interaction Yes, Dr. he tried because on a Of chairman? good Some Yes. would was have trying Whether There or with I person of liked to they were would the a to period get to get fill the the have some opinions of everybody position. in the department chairman and Dr. already been have Cowles opinions. should appoint number of imagine did Cowles? professors to you Gail Plummer permanently? considerations. Wallace 60 Goates wanted the job. LOUISE LM HILL I HOWE think quite position an MALONEE and a you #2 few can of them hardly would blame have them. 1liked That is, the that's advancement. Oh, yes. as Then our following president. Dr. What Cowles we interaction had did A. Ray you Olpin have with him? I didn't to have work good with deal. you * That's Yes, that's What changes of He of and there was a incident of our he to been but a very a I did outgoing conversation from Dr. produce during We Thomas in relation talk to man. He with him. him a talked-- then. his were forward increased instigated years when department of get I We I suppose rapidly, there I were think. a great here, deal many theatre grew always felt and then kinds. so Of much, that he department. through quite too the grew. the occasion celebration. campus? time, moved things here on Bill? friend had Olpin, enrollment those I hadn't did new good interaction true. the and was change G.I. were course, too, a course the personal have changes. had Yes, he easily quite Well, much President Now, could lots too well long think and it 61 a rather acquainted we was were The disagreeable with having Beehive him. some Club, I kind an LOUISE HILL HOWE annual banquet. skits and rather had MALONEE and do. one pass the a a it and say students intended to shocked. We in. It was to cut These anything they Eight,) "You may us saw do and they parts of to, this, not was to but a in humor-just insulting. Finally cut have to we'll instead of cutting we do the Without whole any So it." the we it member of an We part "All they do said) which denigrating the and we President taste. said, asked ultimatum, part," to these coming say last bad from We was to down went offensive at absolutely right.% they they progranm, what all very mentioned then. it. free very was Olpin of age the in but funny do new put they businessman the is cut other humor. we and look shocked, be Spart but to beyond But of anything rehearsal got wanted wanted a have group their The were it. do supposed couldn't It Ehisiifirst do a A prevalent to alumnus, insulting. out was okay. to program prepared two was them students AN thought told the allowed of popular satire. doing they'd an of of not it two them Thé lot was Censorship after was it were committee committee days a were So of downtown. and sketch. Students to I was those seniors arranged wanted In sketches active [laughs] #2 way, no right, if and banquet proceeded to thing. of the cuts that 62 you had said had to be-? LOUISE IM: HILL HOWE Without any of humiliation. I having my the sorry, but But didn't. and this I I But everybody just-- never I would be there know the in sketch will and now risen of was the I just part quandary. sat I do? have I that and shall should I cuts this what I #2 realized passed mind, done. 5 : MALONEE credited with it went I was a "I You very okayed." and over. have am not state go through should said, program didn't such what and such forget such could a see, Shocked. Caught that their and breath. so experience shocked, of opinions very Building, and and I and President thought, being No, he was happened. hadn't the students I I nature. remember "I want home. Olpin all came the was really. willingly. go "Of Not was this thought, husband Well, It been It in get was out want He things my see sought to first your old the I wanted to after took the onto home." there. nice had students didn't out despondent Usually walking to I so Union balcony to get anybody, me out my but and I do." critical? sympathizing I wouldn't instigated most for the with have told and I told him, conversation. understanding an me man. investigation. 63 I They what suppose, at But Later him he any if he rate he called didn't had get these away LOUISE HILL HOWE MALONEE #2 ; : with#ies Oh, I how good. thought he must it. that have But I took felt you think that discord Dr. C. was a and a were split, think a Whose come from You know, and gets Did all Well, when speed of you because and listen at head theatre, made it don't all of speech felt the when speech pathology, What took just a Theatre place department? were not satisfied with what of when all they department What for we accomplish anything. was make Olpin it or else maybe our a was the had and goes along, there were department 64 was my and felt that split? Did this department begins it That vice-president? But as it. the picture. thing feel to from a the know but there it might begins emotions reasons was divided, be able factions. were to get behind ‘spilEt? we to split? a clearer you as us somebody there discord--I behind came Speech most Dr. of reason something terrific. kind they that of sit was department. suggestion give thils some speech, wouldn't I think to of he Lees one I was split to where that opinion. awful that separate background I just the department--the made deal of Lowell those great thought When of a yes. evolve high. making LOUISE HILL WM: In IM: Yes, WM: It HOWE MALONEE #2 loyalties? in loyalties. wasn't too There large were a personal department grievances. that needed to be divided. IM: But our department personalities. do too more much than If on Lowell his he was had one He always own. could composed do. Of fault of it was strong trying to became involved in I known course, had him before. WM: In what IM: I way graduated the our you known before national together. WM: had he did. dramatic There were association in I So you knew and he came had that met were Alpha we in at parties knew of Phi, all met together, department him perhaps where we speech had Theta his so extended and work so on. before here? LM: Yesptltdid: WM: Is there him we fraternity, the graduation. before? But plays beyond of him anything else you'd like to tell me about Dr. Olpin? : IM: No. Then I think a was he very good you are 1let's--because particular seen an were some career awful lot things with of that the changes you 65 president. at the university, and achieved also that of end must you know that maybe you your have there felt LOUISE HILL HOWE MALONEE pretty good about. I thought ground up? radio the very floor, It to a to is same learn I am and it was never _been a work happened Then this to on when it beginning a teacher in I was in came to again. except in television. classes, for had with I the that in through seen theatre that come the years: the radio we have I hadn't watched had all the television the station, built. KUER; Finally, today. progress with but I have Theatre later department--other the teaching. in Memorial have curriculum, radio interpretation have Pioneer of changes pride whole taught taught KUED; seen the had experience station, proud I I of growth have high | responsible years way me school. I was the my to experiencing. by years. always have thing classes had it pioneer the twenty establishing you how of me I had business Yes, often sort seems where that those of some mention you Can about? good feel you #2 I I am think the pretty been have I fast. You radio have to each of television you were the and Certainly these. contributed in initiator. 3 Yes. Such tremendous many of the growth productions of the and 66 theatre! were relied You in so give an played upon to LOUISE HILL HOWE Rehearsals always are rewarding. suppose I work. of lot a great a took It Yes. work. of lot a always was #2 performance. excellent It MALONEE those things the are was it But time. of deal will I remember. You were was on quite large and University the at were but by was of Utah anything as appointed of ability, those teaching because think I days the of think I but women didn't It occur I accepted this in all my probably men were the ones aspire tc outdo the biggest the it's a to men 67 would of who and would get so on. it was the In being men the be to the been have rather I and also accepted and jobs to aspire reaching I work. thing. strange to me confident pretty accustomed thought thing and felt That farthest promotions I were department. ever being campus, the to on position? subject my leaders. head a to knew I that woman question any coming a didn't I No, resentment, any feel you main. the in Yes, True. the faculty the who there Now, department, speech the in imagine, would I university. the at few a women, few right? men, Did faculty the probably very of one the But same that biggest I didn't when I LOUISE HILL HOWE worked WM: IM: at MALONEE KSL. but I dida't Did you and women? VYes, feel #2 They were feel that there was definitely. mostly they any That men ever that worked resented inequity I I know in with me. salaries happened. It of men often happened. WM: Within IM: Oh, your yes, before of I degree. WM: IM: Do due to No, I course. retired. I you department, might feel the fact came I I had the an not I you the associate to go started inequity that to became chose have that too? did on professor for teaching of your salary not have the department my Ph.D. earlier. then was doctorate? with professional experience. WM: The IM: Because I inequity was has woman. quite I time and I had has He a Marion Redd and I woman? It was quite this man is have have a woman. know Mary I that Webster. 68 too. think were obvious. married. raise." He see, You responsibilities. any responsibilities institutions. that to a I had But it responsibilities. had nearly women yes. to women with Two were "Well, considered all you Oh, often, expect don't that a because children. many widow WM: was told they By I was that in the was a become was never usual in department, LOUISE HILL IM: Yes. WM: Were HOWE MALONEE there any #2 others? Were you the third woman in the department. I was was the the fourth--Lila fourth to come Brimhall, Redd, in. Thomas Wanda and Webster. soon made I the EiEehic This was most unusual departments were, Yes, right, In that's the were speech women, all five they did I'm sure was the Do you not Of as course. solid good thought, silently. Well, were. you the women the men? often work. They In the have I well, I and large without exception, all men. if were I the there five situation. same kind Do of of you didn't to discuss receive in your associate that upon depended the in looked back wonder how my to I have attitude at I women own accepted you 69 were not I professor. more since years later However, were in put women the it. department change said wh§ suppose situation as well hours do extra women career all aggressive. of retired toward did. always you pay? We woman seen employees, in equal often. I have By unusual Very very things and have second qualified an were they department. true. department women a almost it was think for this and so LOUISE IM: HILL HOWE I Are you. other no have you feel that different two that I studied The two like to put I and say to like to talked haven't have for professor, and did how Hawaii, at Hawaii of University the at a summer visiting should I perhaps Oh, University a as semesters semesters any. we maybe not. the at taught I that mention me would I would you I think see. me bother history? oral this let now Well, that things in recorded that some that about questions there I doing. was I what in happy very was didn't it didn't way. that in aggressive therefore, so it, to aspire #2 be couldn't I No. MALONEE of Wisconsin. this get you opportunity? to and Hawaii he and like invited me. He it and I do to speech the of head was university the left Smith Joseph Well, said, and me called and later department asked me if that fall quarter there I would a good it was be would "Yes, went experience." To over live Yes, so possible began there? for earlier and I semester a do to me my was it when could be there back off, because for here they winter quarter. Were you teaching radio over else? 70 there too, or something LOUISE ILM: HILL I HOWE MALONEE school, mostly Department And we lot of from the Theatre and the didn't Department Theatre arrive department. at that The Speech separate. were until the from broadcasting radio a did They classes. radio no were there but broadcasting some doing was #2 the sixties, I guess. But it has department all of worked out, there are certain these divided arts. properly division came. came over to when they So the To end to talk Most not the properv many of the although that too of are sure that in it to was when theatre classes our basic classes the in the students department our necessary. was have to start thank of the worked with out was all right but it not-- of kinds things have come we fieed I say, I that I think As Louise. you, it's been tapes are. sure at points good things I'm may I all that's remember high see, liking. these of Well, it you about. I'm Well, some least Yes--well, A take everyone's the with Anyway, division to And thought wasn't--at : all long moment. of, shall life. it's because right the rambling. very But I think I've working we say, my Thanks very much 7 just Louise. what covered years. we the LOUISE ILM: HILL HOWE Well, MALONEE thank #2 you. Addendum: WM: Louise and had cut had been I have been this tape off in Theatre and experience IM: the Well, I we'd and were very all WM: The play IM: The play was the name though, played an Hamlet. of king and a an elevator IM: Yes, we used WM: edge You had that Pioneer to her sort and we she Memorial about of a noquy enough that her nightmare was sure of time. We imported to rehearsal didn't help us. gap, because and I another, who brought played they been I've here. a her Ophelia. She Joseph the wasn't stage had forgotten played Gertrude, the and had rising Catmull queen. It complete. stage. stage. that. this Hatfield member where the have somebody, pit death talk after mentioned the being Herd Vickie Yes, to to and role was at opening Hamlet WM: there was demanding was There play as didn't equity the a was it excited role was had moments Hamlet. was play too we few Louise? theatre anything a she 1like there. the and opening remember because talking when But would we of this abyss. the long skirts and 7.2 down, went hole. huge this when it leave dresses. We were stage of course, frightened we were on LOUISE IM: HILL Long HOWE MALONEE skirts, yes, and had some rehearsals we in different the #2 everything of positions acoustics something. were I the new. everybody so many think in C. Lowell was main our sitting to see working people the At there theatre and were but so architects throughout good There everything, the was at working it was if at a good you have performance. by directed was This Lees? Yes. not Well, of quite three and stage costumes on and was a die I course, needed I like would to have show--the the we And better felt we ironed about the duels, I the the duels some of we theatre that you had there It on. Lowell progressed in ragged--but was as Of going is head my those PMT remember because hit sure I'm fitting duels. with as later, night, opening progressed Now done. the everything do to impossible almost was have could I with dying in help of of one while furniture of lot taken be to lot a and rehearsals stage on and all in weeks had time much so that as opened? you before did long how period; rehearsal short a say You things out. well? Yesyiyes, s true. What was Opening a the reason new theatre, why all 73 the so things few that rehearsals? could have LOUISE HILL been 5 We HOWE problems, couldn't was that. It wasn't There man He or on lot 2 : out, at = he a the may Just Well, felt not one one thing. There on It's you more all a lot to of could this into rest busy handling was he in really see what shape. were local a of people the stage on He open. but about think to pull could usually he was things hat. very tour all tired, one more week Louise. We've essential part. AND END 74 OF It though. would added INTERVIEW] have this in was came he when summer, week, TAPE group busy, this the Then know. energy. OF very capable back and the an a think whip had you [END I touring was to things home a He came theatre of a ready. rehearsed? many came have was be director. thank it he imports new drop with but done hum. too America South rehearsals? weren't usually once be times, had was when to um probably He at two had excellent an few for that town he to the had He and was had he so theatre remember. because people, --and of I jobs different Yes. as four who Local have things out time there people at was him only you the certain that three hard into America, at did ready? ILees South #2 why get were Lowell a MALONEE home helped. because we