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Show " This is tape number three of interview number two between Gary Shumway, interviewer, and Albert R. Lyman, interviewee on July 31, 1968, in the home of Albert R. Lyman in Blanding, Utah. S: Brother Lyman, I was asking when the tape finished about this episode in 1915 and the interesting parallel between it and 1923. If the Mormon people would have taken the initiative in 1915, if they would have not relied on someone else to take care of their problems there in Bluff in 1915, would it have precluded the necessity of doing it in 1923? L: I doubt very much that we were strong enough in our feelings to have fought it out the way it would have had to been fought. We came here to make friends of them so this Marshal! Nebecker, when he saw the situation, he saw that he would have to get somebody that would be unrelenting in carrying on the fight. Now, I figured they made matters worse a good deal by coming in here. If they had stayed out, we'd have been better off. Because they came in here, and even while they were fighting down there at Bluff, the Paiutes recognized us as not being in on it at all. When that man was killed there on the hill by Deckers, west of Bluff, he was lying thefw with just his head over the hill so it could be seen, and Poke was shooting at him. Jamie Decker went and stood upright in plain sight right between them and watched them right while it was going on, and he called their attention to |